The real deal....

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...ness-must-rise

We be ****ed :-(

...Jim Thompson
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On 06/24/2011 10:15 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
The real deal....

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...ness-must-rise

We be ****ed :-(

If your 'we' is everyone who's form 1040 has more than $250,000 on the
"taxable income" line, then you (a) have no clue what real financial
pain is, and (b) are in a significant minority.

If your business makes so much excess money that you can't keep your
taxable income below $250,000, then you aren't plowing enough money back
into it, or you have an incompetent accountant, or you're gaining that
money through the advantages of doing business in the US -- and those
advantages are paid by tax dollars, so why shouldn't you be funding the
programs that help you make so much?

And if your business is making that much money, then keeping it an S
corp is just plain laziness -- you should convert it to a C corp and
quit your bitching.

If you _really_ want to live someplace that has low taxes and small
government, then instead of turning the US into Somalia, I suggest you
just move to Somalia now, and see how you like it.

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On a sunny day (Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:00:50 -0700) it happened Tim Wescott
wrote in
:

If you _really_ want to live someplace that has low taxes and small
government, then instead of turning the US into Somalia, I suggest you
just move to Somalia now, and see how you like it.

You can make a lot of money there as a pirate, holding ships for ransom.

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:00:50 -0700) it happened Tim Wescott
wrote in
:

If you _really_ want to live someplace that has low taxes and small
government, then instead of turning the US into Somalia, I suggest you
just move to Somalia now, and see how you like it.

You can make a lot of money there as a pirate, holding ships for ransom.


Or have the US navy blow a hole through your already empty skull
before the skuttle the boat you stole to be a pirate.


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It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.

Tim Wescott wrote:

gaining that money through the advantages of doing business in the US
-- and those advantages are paid by tax dollars, so why shouldn't you
be funding the programs that help you make so much?

You have an interesting idea of what the advantages of doing business in the
US are.


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Tim Wescott wrote:

[snip]

If you _really_ want to live someplace that has low taxes and small
government, then instead of turning the US into Somalia, I suggest you
just move to Somalia now, and see how you like it.

I like living here. But its impossible to compete with foreign corporations
who don't suffer under our confiscatory tax regime. So the best solution is
to be an employee of those foreign firms, with an income $250K and let
them keep the rest of the profits offshore.

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On 06/25/2011 02:41 PM, flipper wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:00:50 -0700, Tim
wrote:

On 06/24/2011 10:15 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
The real deal....

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...ness-must-rise

We be ****ed :-(

If your 'we' is everyone who's form 1040 has more than $250,000 on the
"taxable income" line, then you (a) have no clue what real financial
pain is, and (b) are in a significant minority.

The "we" is everyone who suffers from this government's systematic
destruction of the economy.

Which is so damn poor that everyone in the world _still_ wants to come
live here. Boy -- that sounds like a symptom of _something_ to me, but
not systematic destruction.

If your business makes so much excess money

Just who the hell are you to be declaring anything an "excess."

that you can't keep your
taxable income below $250,000, then you aren't plowing enough money back
into it, or you have an incompetent accountant, or you're gaining that
money through

People 'gain money', as you call it, by producing and providing goods
and services, I.E. creating wealth, that other people willingly buy in
a fair exchange of value for value. Excepting, of course, when
government regulates, subsidizes, prohibits, mandates, and manipulates
the market.

And where, exactly, do those masses of people, each with a little bit of
money, get the freedom to buy, the knowledge that your business exists,
the delivery services that come from good roads, the telecommunications
infrastructure to order the stuff, the stability to trust that they
won't need the money for food or bribes tomorrow, the culture that lets
them get to their bank without having to wade through diseased beggars, etc.

etc.

etc.

??

It doesn't come from a government that does nothing. It doesn't come
from a government that fails to keep up the roads. It doesn't come from
a government that fails to establish fair and uniform laws regulating
your phone calls and internet exchanges. It doesn't come from a
government that fails to provide adequate and honest police and fire
protection. It doesn't come from a government that stands by and lets
corporations cheat their customers blind.

Take all that away. Then your taxes will be zero -- and you may as well
be living in the not-quite-so-false-choice of Somalia.

the advantages of doing business in the US

used to be FREEDOM.

And still are.

-- and those
advantages are paid by tax dollars,

And still are.

Just how much does government NOT infringing on the freedoms of it's
citizens cost? Hint: zero.

Your house burning down costs nothing? Your business being robbed costs
nothing? Finding that you have no pool of educated talent from which to
recruit employees costs nothing? Having no place in the country with
road service in which to locate your business costs nothing? Having no
boarder security costs nothing? Having no safe water to drink costs
nothing? Having no safe air to breathe costs nothing? Not being able
to pick up a phone and get a dial tone costs nothing? Not being able to
sue someone who cheats you costs nothing? Seeing your family murdered
and knowing that no one is going to do anything about it costs nothing?

Sure, dude.

so why shouldn't you be funding the
programs that help you make so much?

I can think of two: the military, securing the country so the freedoms
(if any are left) remain, and patent protection.

And who, then, protects us from the corporations who will enslave us
all, given half a chance?

(Or the unions, who will do the same thing -- union==corporation).

And if your business is making that much money, then keeping it an S
corp is just plain laziness -- you should convert it to a C corp and
quit your bitching.

That's bassackwards as people should not have to spend their time
figuring out how to 'avoid' oppression.

As long as there are people who are good at gathering power unto
themselves, then all the rest of us will have to figure out how to avoid
oppression. If you think you can make some simple change to the law and
make a "no oppression" world then you're just as much of a fool as Karl
Marx and Friedrich Engels.

Utopian fantasies sound good because they're just that -- fantasies.
Here in the real world compromises must be made.

If you _really_ want to live someplace that has low taxes and small
government, then instead of turning the US into Somalia, I suggest you
just move to Somalia now, and see how you like it.

False choice hooey.

Neither false, nor hooey. Somalia has done us the favor of showing us
what a zero-government society is like. Over time, various South
American countries have done us the favor of showing us what it's like
to live in a right-wing paradise where only the army and business
interests have sway. Even the Soviet Union, in it's screwy "we're so
far left it looks like right to me" have shown us useful information
about the error of Utopian thinking.

We should return the favor by at least paying attention to the lessons.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

On 6/24/2011 1:15 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
The real deal....

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...ness-must-rise

We be ****ed :-(

...Jim Thompson

Someone has to pay for the bailouts to the ultra-rich, right?

http://www.counterpunch.org/cooke06132011.html

flipper wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:11:39 -0400, Bitrex
On 6/24/2011 1:15 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
The real deal....

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...ness-must-rise

We be ****ed :-(

Someone has to pay for the bailouts to the ultra-rich, right?

http://www.counterpunch.org/cooke06132011.html

That's the same old socialist faux economics that kept The Great
Depression going and gave us such lovely laws, and sustaining Supreme
Court rulings, as farmers prohibited from growing excess crops on
their own land for their own consumption because it 'might potentially
interfere' with the Fed's manipulation of the markets.

I could go down the points one by one but do you want to know the
"real" problem? Governments CAN NOT 'manage' economies and economic
outcomes. I don't care what 'problems' you claim exist, government is
simply incompetent to the task.

And that's without even getting to the principle that his is supposed
to be a "free" country and not one governed by mob rule.

Between big government and the Mafia, I think I'd rather the Mafia - at
least when you pay the Mafia protection money, you actually _get_
protection!

http://mysite.verizon.net/richgrise/HIFF/

And that's notwithstanding the Mafia doesn't throw you into an iron
cage to punish you for gambling, getting high, or getting laid.

Cheers!
Rich