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Coach fired for writing country-western song...
Coach fired for writing country-western song...
He was a little man, just turned three Took the present from his daddy’s hand A genuine toy hammer He started beatin’ to beat the band He hit the floors and the wall, broke a lamp in the hall, Started swinging at the puppy’s tail When you’re holding a hammer Everything looks like a nail. He was the president, number 44 He says, “Trust me, I’m here to help you I have got some big big plans You’re gonna love what I’m gonna do.” There’s no problem too big or small He thinks he’s got an answer that just can’t fail When you’re holding a hammer Everything looks like a nail. He thinks big thoughts and he dreams big dreams But it’s another man’s sweat that pays for those schemes He don’t care how the little people feel ‘Cause saving the world is a big freaking deal So he does his business behind closed doors And pretends that the world is just begging for more When the stuff hits the fan he says, “Don’t look at me If you got trouble, blame 43.” Now Congress is saving Wall Street While they’re watching Main Street fall They got health care all figured out But it don’t seem to care much at all As soon as they save the planet They’ll put the fire out in hell When you’re holding a hammer. Everything looks like a nail. He thinks big thoughts and he dreams big dreams But it’s another man’s sweat that pays for those schemes He don’t care how the little people feel ‘Cause saving the world is a big freaking deal So he does his business behind closed doors And pretends that the world is just begging for more When the stuff hits the fan he says, “Don’t look at me If you got trouble, blame 43.” There’ll be a party come this November When we’re gonna set things straight All good people gonna gather ‘round Gonna show what made this country great We’ll run off the schemers and backroom dealers So the Red, White and Blue will prevail When we’re holding the hammer When we’re holding the hammer Everyone of them looks like a nail. Read mo http://radio.foxnews.com/2010/08/23/...#ixzz0xfBo111H ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | "What would happen to [Obama's] vanity if he didn’t have us to throw alms to? What would become of his strength if he didn’t have weaker people to dominate? What would he do with himself if he didn’t keep us around as dependents? It’s quite alright, really, I’m not criticizing him, it’s just a law of human nature." -Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged" |
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Coach fired for writing country-western song...
In article , Jim Thompson
wrote: Snip more deep thoughts from GOJ Take a nap, Jim. --- Joe |
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Coach fired for writing country-western song...
"Joe" wrote in message ... In article , Jim Thompson wrote: Snip more deep thoughts from GOJ Take a nap, Jim. He was - the meds mean he don't stay down! |
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Coach fired for writing country-western song...
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:20:24 +0100, "ian field"
wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... In article , Jim Thompson wrote: Snip more deep thoughts from GOJ Take a nap, Jim. He was - the meds mean he don't stay down! I haven't had any urges to nap since my mid-40's... not quite sure what that means. And, nope! I don't have any trouble keeping "it" up ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel. |
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Coach fired for writing country-western song...
"flipper" wrote in message
... Read mo http://radio.foxnews.com/2010/08/23/...#ixzz0xfBo111H So much for the first amendment. Well, the school board maintains the guy's dismissal had nothing to do with the song. If it did, what you can and can't say on and off the job and how it effects what your employer can can't do to you gets very murky. See, e.g., http://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/labor . (Obviously a "blog" isn't a "song e-mailed to friends," but you get the idea.) I do find it a bit ironic that a conservative guy would be threatening a lawsuit when conservatives would generally be the ones to advocate employers being able to fire anyone for any arbitrary reason whatsoever vs. the liberals who want lots of worker protection laws. I'll bet you a nickel what really happened is that while, sure, he used his personal e-mail account, he was using school-owned equipment at the time he did it. I suspect there's probably some clear-cut rule about that not being acceptable use of his employer's equipment, so unless he's able to demonstrate that, e.g., other employees were using equipment for similar activities, administrators were informed and did nothing, I doubt he'd have much of a leg to stand on in court. Or maybe it really doesn't have anything to do with the song whatsoever, as the school maintains -- it's a pretty benign song, if you ask me; I sure wouldn't fire anyone over it. ---Joel |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:43:10 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote: "flipper" wrote in message .. . Read mo http://radio.foxnews.com/2010/08/23/...#ixzz0xfBo111H So much for the first amendment. Well, the school board maintains the guy's dismissal had nothing to do with the song. If it did, what you can and can't say on and off the job and how it effects what your employer can can't do to you gets very murky. See, e.g., http://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/labor . (Obviously a "blog" isn't a "song e-mailed to friends," but you get the idea.) I do find it a bit ironic that a conservative guy would be threatening a lawsuit when conservatives would generally be the ones to advocate employers being able to fire anyone for any arbitrary reason whatsoever vs. the liberals who want lots of worker protection laws. I'll bet you a nickel what really happened is that while, sure, he used his personal e-mail account, he was using school-owned equipment at the time he did it. I suspect there's probably some clear-cut rule about that not being acceptable use of his employer's equipment, so unless he's able to demonstrate that, e.g., other employees were using equipment for similar activities, administrators were informed and did nothing, I doubt he'd have much of a leg to stand on in court. Or maybe it really doesn't have anything to do with the song whatsoever, as the school maintains -- it's a pretty benign song, if you ask me; I sure wouldn't fire anyone over it. ---Joel But you're not a sicko liberal. I've had liberals in my neighborhood write to the newspaper saying the newspaper shouldn't print my letters. I retort that, when this sicko liberalism government collapses, I'll be running thru the neighborhood shooting them in the ass. That shuts 'em up :-0 ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel. |
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"flipper" wrote in message
... On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:43:10 -0700, "Joel Koltner" Well, the school board maintains the guy's dismissal had nothing to do with the song. His tale explicitly states he was 'told' the song was the reason and their deafening silence about what any other 'good reason' might be doesn't help their claim. Yes, it's his word against theirs as to why he was fired. Few businesses will speak to the media regarding why someone was terminated these days; there's a lot of risk doing so, and generally no upside. Last I heard the "public schools" were considered a 'government job' and, so far, no one has offered any insight as to how his song could 'disrupt the workplace'. Agreed, that's why they probably got him on some technicality such as unauthorized use of the school's equipment. Not to mention that, even if no state law to the effect exists, one would think at least a hearing and chance to discuss the matter would be common sense prudence. Not an unreasonable request, but it doesn't bother me if an employer chooses not to offer such a process either. I'll bet you a nickel what really happened is... If it's such a clear cut and plainly stated common policy then how come no school official seems able to mention it? See above. It's just S.O.P. for both private businesses as well as the government these days. It's just like calling for job references today -- most businesses will only verify that someone worked for them for a specified period of time in a given position but will refuse to provide infomration any regarding their performance or reason for termination. Neither would I, even if you substituted 42 for 43 and 43 for 44. Which makes the additional charge it's 'racist' all the more absurd. Yes. On the other hand, racist racist racist is the new mind numbed robot knee jerk substitute for liar liar liar. Yep, absolutely correct. A lot of people apparently didn't pay quite enough attention in school to learn what "racism" is; plenty of folks who disagree with (1) Obama and (2) immigration policy are unfairly tarred with the "racist" brush. ---Joel |
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"flipper" wrote in message
... Yes, it's his word against theirs as to why he was fired. Actually, it's his word against nothing as they've given no reason whatsoever. You're right, I worded that poorly -- it's his word that he was fired due to the song vs. their word that he wasn't fired due to the song. Few businesses will speak to the media regarding why someone was terminated these days; there's a lot of risk doing so, and generally no upside. Government is not a business and government agencies have no such luxury unless it's specifically a "serves at the pleasure of" position. Really? I can't imagine that if you call up some random government office they're legally required to immediately give you a reason as to why someone was fired. Eventually, maybe, but certainly not right away. Out of curiosity, how long are you going to hold onto the canard that public schools are a 'business'? Apparently indefeinitely. :-) ---Joel |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:01:38 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
be running thru the neighborhood shooting them in the ass. That shuts 'em up :-0 Typical sicko neocon - violence as a solution to everything. Thanks, Rich |
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Coach fired for writing country-western song...
"Joel Koltner" wrote in message ... "flipper" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:43:10 -0700, "Joel Koltner" Well, the school board maintains the guy's dismissal had nothing to do with the song. His tale explicitly states he was 'told' the song was the reason and their deafening silence about what any other 'good reason' might be doesn't help their claim. Yes, it's his word against theirs as to why he was fired. Few businesses will speak to the media regarding why someone was terminated these days; there's a lot of risk doing so, and generally no upside. Last I heard the "public schools" were considered a 'government job' and, so far, no one has offered any insight as to how his song could 'disrupt the workplace'. Agreed, that's why they probably got him on some technicality such as unauthorized use of the school's equipment. So that makes it ok? Does that deserve a firing or a repremand? Would a liberal have gotten the same treatment? The fact of the matter is that the liberal principle didn't like it and fired him... and liberals are suppose to be soooo tolerant of other peoples views. After all, just look how hard they try to understand muslims. Not to mention that, even if no state law to the effect exists, one would think at least a hearing and chance to discuss the matter would be common sense prudence. Not an unreasonable request, but it doesn't bother me if an employer chooses not to offer such a process either. Does anyone know a case where a liberal was fired for a similar incident? I'll bet you a nickel what really happened is... If it's such a clear cut and plainly stated common policy then how come no school official seems able to mention it? See above. It's just S.O.P. for both private businesses as well as the government these days. It's just like calling for job references today -- most businesses will only verify that someone worked for them for a specified period of time in a given position but will refuse to provide infomration any regarding their performance or reason for termination. Possibly but lets be serious here for a moment. Isn't the most likely cause that some liberal got "offended" because someone said something about their messiah? They complained and this person was fired... mind you, FIRED. Not repremanded but fired. This reaks of bias. Now, it is possible that this guy is a total loon and they've been looking for something to get rid of him. But we all know how liberals in power behave as we have our prototypes Pelosi, Reed, and Obsama. Neither would I, even if you substituted 42 for 43 and 43 for 44. Which makes the additional charge it's 'racist' all the more absurd. Yes. On the other hand, racist racist racist is the new mind numbed robot knee jerk substitute for liar liar liar. Yep, absolutely correct. A lot of people apparently didn't pay quite enough attention in school to learn what "racism" is; plenty of folks who disagree with (1) Obama and (2) immigration policy are unfairly tarred with the "racist" brush. Maybe this is the new tolerance liberals have? If they don't agree with you they simply tolerate you by making you into a racist? After all, they seem to have no problem with tolerating muslims. |
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"Jeff Johnson" wrote in message
... "Joel Koltner" wrote in message ... Agreed, that's why they probably got him on some technicality such as unauthorized use of the school's equipment. So that makes it ok? Does that deserve a firing or a repremand? Would a liberal have gotten the same treatment? No, it doesn't make it OK (assuming it was somewhat motivated by his writing the song -- and I can believe it could have been). But as a practical matter, if your employer doesn't want you around -- even if it's for a completely ridiculous reason -- sooner or later they'll find a legally defensible reason to fire you. And you also have to consider -- even if you can somehow force an employer to keep you around, do you really want to work for people you know don't really want you there? I'm making a bunch of wild assumptions here, but I'd be willing to bet that even if you were a lawyer looking to take on a bias case, this guy's particular situation wouldn't be partiuclarly attractive. He used "privileged" information (the e-mail lists of the parents) for non-work-related activities (strike one), I'm guessing he used the school's equipment to send those e-mails (strike two), etc. -- once it all comes out in court it'll get messy fast. I hope some private school that's run by somewhat more conservative folks offers him a job -- it'd be best for everyone. The fact of the matter is that the liberal principle didn't like it and fired him... and liberals are suppose to be soooo tolerant of other peoples views. After all, just look how hard they try to understand muslims. Plenty of folks from all sides of the political spectrum are hypocrites. :-) But you can't judge any group -- liberals, conservatives, or Muslims -- from the actions of a few of their members. This is particularly true of groups where the official stance is to try to accomodate as many as possible... there's a fascinating discussion of this he http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/th...an-be-too-big/ ---Joel |
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 07:01:22 -0500, flipper wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:13:31 -0700, "Joel Koltner" wrote: "Jeff Johnson" wrote in message ... "Joel Koltner" wrote in message ... Agreed, that's why they probably got him on some technicality such as unauthorized use of the school's equipment. So that makes it ok? Does that deserve a firing or a repremand? Would a liberal have gotten the same treatment? No, it doesn't make it OK (assuming it was somewhat motivated by his writing the song -- and I can believe it could have been). But as a practical matter, if your employer doesn't want you around -- even if it's for a completely ridiculous reason -- sooner or later they'll find a legally defensible reason to fire you. You mean, as long as you're a non union white male in a private sector job. All bets are off in any other set of circumstances. And you also have to consider -- even if you can somehow force an employer to keep you around, do you really want to work for people you know don't really want you there? Might depend on whether 'they' don't want you there or are just PC caving to a raucous minority. I'm making a bunch of wild assumptions here, And that's my objection. but I'd be willing to bet that even if you were a lawyer looking to take on a bias case, this guy's particular situation wouldn't be partiuclarly attractive. Because it isn't PC to defend 'conservatives'? He used "privileged" information (the e-mail lists of the parents) for non-work-related activities (strike one), I'm guessing he used the school's equipment to send those e-mails (strike two), etc. -- once it all comes out in court it'll get messy fast. Care to place any bets on whether he'd still be there if he'd done exactly the same thing to notify folks Bill Maher was going to be in town? I hope some private school that's run by somewhat more conservative folks offers him a job -- it'd be best for everyone. I see. It's perfectly fine for the public schools to be run by 'not conservative' folks. In fact, it's "best for everyone" if we get those 'conservative' folks out of there. The fact of the matter is that the liberal principle didn't like it and fired him... and liberals are suppose to be soooo tolerant of other peoples views. After all, just look how hard they try to understand muslims. Plenty of folks from all sides of the political spectrum are hypocrites. :-) That's a hypocrite's straw man excuse. But you can't judge any group -- liberals, conservatives, or Muslims -- from the actions of a few of their members. That's another straw man as no one is judging from the actions of 'a few members'. This is particularly true of groups where the official stance is to try to accomodate as many as possible... there's a fascinating discussion of this he http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/th...an-be-too-big/ You are confusing "big tent," where the premise is one does not let non essential differences obscure common core principles, with trying to hold a mob together through fear mongering, pandering, and payoff. E.g. The 'Republican plan' is "die quickly"... *you*, and not the evil 'they', will get a tax break... and what's a secret ballot? (to name but a few). Not to mention saying one thing, to 'shift the line', while fully intending to do something else. Such as candidate Obama advertising clean coal "yes we can, yes we can" while simultaneously telling his enviro pals to ignore the ad because his cap and trade bill will put anyone foolish enough use it out of business. The line has a tendency to 'shift' again when people find out the words and deeds have little to nothing in common. The above 3 pargraphs are very poorly written, the second in particular is amphibolous. |
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:30:37 -0700,
wrote: [snip] The above 3 paragraphs are very poorly written, the second in particular is amphibolous. Damn! Had to look that word up ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel. |
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