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Default OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?



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On Jun 7, 2021 at 5:02:46 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
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Commander Kinsey wrote


Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the
chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?


Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only mutate in
infected people and so the fewer that get infected, the less the
chance of it mutating.


Exactly!


So we should be using it sparingly.


Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with the best
vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.


Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New
York. Amazing.


Dunno, nothing useful on that with
https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York
Gotta link ?


Did more looking into this.


Need 70% to get to herd immunity:


Its nothing like that simple now with the new more virulent strains.


That is what I thought,


Thats what is known.

but I have found multiple sources saying 70% is what they think would
do it.


None that base that on any rigorous science.

In the past I had seen 80-90%.


Its even higher than that now with the new more virulent
strains but not known with any certainty yet.


I would not be surprised -- but do you have cites to back that?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...ants/100190414


https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...h-covid19.html


That doesnt say that it only needs to get to 70%.


"What we know about coronavirus so far suggests that,


Suggests isnt your original absolute.


These comments are meant as best guesses, not absolutes.


Easy to say after you have been picked up on your original claim.

if we were really to go back to a pre-pandemic lifestyle, we would need
at least 70% of the population


At least isnt the same as your original.

to be immune to keep the rate of infection down (€śachieve herd
immunity€ť) without restrictions on activities."


You ignored this part.


No need to comment on that bit, it was what herd immunity is about.

New York close to 70%


Even that isnt clear.



https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...a-vaccine-dose


That isnt saying that its close to 70%.


Just one politician has made that claim without
citing any scientific basis for making that claim.


Do you have contrary data?


He made the claim.

He gets to provide the data that substantiates that claim.

Thats how it works.

That does clarify that it is just one shot, not both -- so they will
still not be quite at the 70% *fully* vaccinated.


And there is no evidence that the 70% is the required level.