On 1/21/2020 1:31 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
"Jim Wilkins" writes:

"Richard Smith" wrote in message
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"Jim Wilkins" writes:

"Richard Smith" wrote in message
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Jahan writes:

8 cm wide by 3 cm U Channel and 3 x 3 inch x 2 mm tube

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You'll be wanting to study Second Moment of Area and the beam and
column calculations / equations.
The Euler column and the Euler-Bernoulli beam (both derived around
the
1750's - about 250 years ago) which serve well for most
applications
of beams and columns.

Regards,
Rich Smith
When I built a log splitter, sawmill and a hydraulic bucket loader
for
my tractor I welded every joint that wouldn't have to be taken
apart
to store or modify them. However structural steel design manuals
say
to avoid field welding whenever possible, due to high cost. They
are
more neutral about shop welding versus bolting. Why would field
welding be prohibitably expensive? Heavy construction equipment is
almost entirely welded.
Big difference between commercial and hobby, in all practical / real
senses.

That contention, "field welding expensive", would be true for
typical
commercial cases.
Commercially, you use MIG (GMAW) in a workshop, and SMAW on-site

* in a well-set-up fab-shop MIG (GMAW) is vastly faster than stick
(SMAW) applied in the same situation

* they'd be talking about bolted steel connections for buildings -
"rattle-gun" (impact wrench) a few bolts, rather than weld (SMAW)
(noting that at the ends of beams, where the bolts are, you only
have a small shear force, with all the serious big beam bending
stresses far away in the mid-length of the beam)

Hence, commercially, due to processes used and the majority
application, the statement is true.

In a hobby workshop, at best you still have a single-phase electric
power and you cannot pull those 15kW from the mains which makes
fabshop MIG so productive. Most MIG's are transformer and something
like 50% efficient, whereas many SMAW sets now are inverters and
high-90's percent efficient - so those 3.12kW (British 240V 13A max)
give almost twice the bang-per-buck and even up the productivity.
No
loss of productivity outdoors with stick, which is one of the few
processes which is in reality rather tolerant of wind and rain.
Then you are going to have much more trouble making bolted joints
that
in a well-set-up commercial shop, with all your marking tools,
benches, ironworker for punching holes, etc, etc, etc.

In summary - it's no wonder you see a different picture where for
your
home fabs. welding is vastly easier and quicker.

It all makes complete sense - be assured of that.

Regards,
Rich Smith
So MIG indoors but stick outside. I though flux-core could stand a
breeze too. Does the time the crane spends holding the beam in
position figure in?

For reference, I do have a milling machine to locate and drill gusset
plate and beam end hole patterns, a 1 ton crane to lift steel, and my
welding and plasma cutting circuit is 240V, 100A which is half the
panel's capacity. I'm equipped to make and test prototype robotic and
aerospace components when I'm not sure what I want without seeing (and
modifying) the mental concept. The boss told me my parts looked like
they came from a Norden bombsight

The sawmill etc were retirement projects.
That's a lot of experience!
Need to only say what I can reasonably comment.

Gassless FCAW (Flux-Cored Arc Welding) can be used outdoors, yes.
Never met it - seen it in a welder testing ("Coding") centre once but
not watched what its like, running.

Â* I use it all the time ... it runs just like solid wire with gas , but
works well outdoors as long as the wind isn't too bad . It does burn
hotter than solid wire , probably because the flux consumes the oxygen
in the weld zone (I think ...) . It does spatter more , and you do have
a little flux to clean off the weld , but the flux is usually pretty
soft and easy to remove - the spatter is harder to get off . The main
reason I use it is because it does burn hotter and I've been doing
repairs to thicker sections , right at the limits of my Lincoln 110V
Weldpak unit . If I need more power , I use either the 225A (AC only)
Tombstone or the TIG (AC/DC 250 amps) welder in stick mode .



With shielding gas FCAW - not outside.

Â* Are you referring to dual-shield or solid wire ?



Crane time - yes, I would reckon - all times and use of resources add.

I think I have said as much as my experience permits.

Best wishes,
Rich S


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