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On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 22:27:43 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 18:35:32 -0700, "Bill Graham"
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On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 17:49:35 -0700, "Bill Graham"
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On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 15:58:08 -0400,
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On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 07:42:13 -0400, Meanie
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On 4/6/2013 12:51 AM, Bill Graham wrote:


My point is simple. Unless you can prove that you were layed off
for reasons unrelated to your job performance and or money
restrictions, you can probably do nothing about it.

Laid off or fired is irrelevant. If enough time elapse with the
job, the ex-employee can collect unemployment compensation.
Not if you are fired "with cause" in Canada - at least in Ontario.

Doesn't it depend on the cause? If the job changes and you're now
not qualified, it is a firing with cause (incompetency) but it's not
something you can do anything about.

True. And this happens to many people in this computer age. I was a
high energy physics machind operator. They obsoleted my machind and
transferred me to a new, much larger and more complicated machind
when I was older and less able to memorize large quantities of
information. They didnlt lay me off, but they instituted a, "geezer
elimination program" (my descriotion) where they paid you two weeks
salery for every year you had been with them (up to a maximum of a
years pay.) Since I had been with them for 28 years, I g9ot a years
pay to leave, so I retired at the age of 61, but didn't start
collecting any social security until the following year, at 62.
It is "constructive dismissal" in Canada - and is NOT "with cause".
The employer pays


You speak as if it were a law. In Canada, it may well be a law. Here there
is no such law. If your employer wants to get rid of some people, he just
lets them go, but pays them for their accumulated vacion time. When I left
Stanford University, they didn;t even pay for ones accumulated sick leave. I
had around 6 months sick leave on the books, (I was almost never sick) and
didn;t get paid for that. Smaller businesses here in those days, didn;t pay
for vacations or holidays, either. Bsck in the mid 60's I worked for a place
that fixed shipboard radars, and one day, my boss said, "Tomorrow.s the 4th
of July, so you guys don;t have to come in". We all thought we would be
paid, but when we got our checks a couple of weeks later, we only got paid
for 4 days that week...:^)

Accumulated sick leave is a perk that is generally regulated by your
employment contract - if non-union it usually does not exist. Many
unions are having to let that "bonus" go. I say good riddance. Not
sure how it is in the USA, but since the sixties here in Ontario
vacation pay has been mandatory in all but a few select job classes
(education, police service, and a few others). It differs from
province to province. 4% of total earnings from day one, and 2 weeks
time off after one year - 6% and 3 weeks after 5 years in Ontario.
Statutary holidaysvary depending whether you are in a provincially or
federally regulated industry - some stats are provincial, some are
federal.


Nothing mandatory about vacation at all. Why should it be? The
question whether any time accrued is paid upon termination. This is
certainly jurisdiction and custom dependant.

Again - this is Canada (and Ontario) specific. We are a "socialist"
society - The "american way" may differ.


Thankfully.