On Mar 16, 2:27*pm, wrote:
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Hmmm... * Last time I checked the 911 commission was created by
legislation passed by Congress.

So. Bush stonewalled and wouldn't rtestify without his puppet master
Cheney with him.

He testified, but we know nothing he or anyone else could say or do
would satisfy you.



The members were purposely selected
to be bipartisan and independent.

They weren't.
Ever heard of Philip Zelikow?

Yes, and apparently you don't understand the difference between the
committee members and the staff. Zelikow is a staff member, not an
appointed committee member. What exactly the point you're trying to
make here isn't clear, unless it's an attempt at anti-semitism.



So, for your Bush conspiracy crap
to be true, Democrats Lee Hamilton, Max Cleland, Tim Roemer, Richard
Ben-Veniste, and Jamie Gorlick would have to have been in on it too.
Seems to me most of the Dems on that list have pretty big mouths and
are no friends of Bush.

The 911 report is a joke.
It starts with a conclusion and fills in the middle part.

Yep, I guess those Dems were just part of the conspiracy too.





They handed us USAma bin Laden and we wouldn't hear anything about
altenative theories because they are all "conspiracies."

I guess even the fact that Bin Laden has taken credit for the attacks
on his own released videos doesn't mean anything either.

He never did.
You are a liar.


Here's the link for you to PBS and Al-Jazeera, where Bin Laden takes
credit for 911. I purposely selected those sources because I know
you'd prefer them to over other media. Who's the liar now, moron?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/..._10-29-04.html

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader
Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the
Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.

Online NewsHour Special Reports:
Domestic Security: The Homefront and the War on Terrorism

The Response to the Sept. 11 Attacks

It was the first footage of bin Laden to appear in more than a year
and came just days before voters head to the polls Tuesday after an
extremely tight president race.

In the 18-minute tape, bin Laden, who appeared to be sitting or
standing at a table against a neutral background, said: "Despite
entering the fourth year after Sept. 11, Bush is still deceiving you
and hiding the truth from you and therefore the reasons are still
there to repeat what happened."

Bin Laden said he thought of the method of attacking U.S. skyscrapers
when he saw Israeli aircraft bombing tower blocks in Lebanon in 1982.

"We decided to destroy towers in America," he said. "God knows that it
had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our
patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the
American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon,
this came to my mind."





Who benefited?
Not the Muslims or Arabs.
Follow the money....oh but wait..they haven't told us who made all
those Put options on the airlines......no conspiracy here either right
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It's pretty absurd to think anyone seeking to profit on puts would
need to launch the world's biggest conspiracy.

But they did.

And how would you know this? You have access to everyone's portfolio
that held any position in the stock or derivatives to know?



Or that they would be
stupid enough to think that no one would notice.

Not when you can hide the evience which they have done.
Why haven't we heard ONE WORD about who these people were?


Who what people were? The 911 commission thoroughly vetted the
people who held put options or short positions. Who should we
believe, you, who says Bin Laden never took credit for 911 or an
independent commission? Liar.



You think there are
no decent Americans anywhere on Wall Street who wouldn't be
broadcasting this to the world after their friends were murdered on
911?

Apparently not.



If anyone wanted to profit in such a way, a simple product
tampering, which any hack could pull off alone would have been
sufficient. And it would not have received a fraction of the worldwide
investigative resources that any fool would know would follow 911.

Would that be the lousy $600,000 the spent on the 911 investigation?
They spent aout 40 million investigating Clinton.


Where did you come up with that phoney BS number? Any person with a
pulse knows that the money spent on the 911 investigation was orders
of magnitude more that $600K.



Now, here's the part you conveniently leave out. *The 911 Commission
did thoroughly look at the heavy put positions you refer to. * The FBI
and SEC tracked down the buyers accounting for the increase in trading
volume. * All were found to have no connection whatever to 911.

Cite?

A
typical scenario they found is a large well known institution buying
large amounts of puts on the airline stock and SIMULTANEOUSLY BUYING
THE ACTUAL STOCK.

Not in the amounts bought the days prior.
The numbers were way out of line.

How the hell would you know? You have no way of knowing the actual
positions held, who the institutions were, what offsetting positions
they may have had. Do you know what a sythetic short is? A
butterfly spread? All you have is data that shows a spike in trading
volume for puts a few days before the attacks. Suppose I showed you
the same spikes monthly for the past year, without a 911, would that
convince you? Of course not because you don't even acknowledge that
Bin Laden took credit for 911, because you're too invested in the anti-
American conspiracy kook theories.




Like all the 911 evidence, when you look at the
whole picture, it becomes apparent what was really going on.

The whole picture includes the FIRST TIME FROM FIRE three perfect
building collapses into their footprints and pulverisized into dust.

And it was also the first time in history that fully fueled 767's
crashed into highrise buildings. BTW, the impact knocked loose much
of the fire retardent that is routinely applied to steel buildings to
help prevent collapse. Gee, if fire can'[t bring down a steel
building, why do you think it is they apply fire retardant?




And in
this case, it was that this particular trading strategy was something
they did with many stocks, many times. *By having both the put and the
stock position, they actually LOST money in the aftermath.

Liar.

Yes, I'm a liar, the 911 Democrat commission members are liars,
everyone is a liar except you, who says Bin Laden never took credit.



But like all the other 911 evidence, when you take only one select
snippet you can easily twist it to try to support kook theories.

Liar.
There is a raft of evidence.

Another thing that would put this into balance is to look at how many
times over the years there have been such trading spikes in either
these airlines or other companies.

That's what they did and that's why the numbers are unusual....Duh.http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-...ock+puts&sa=Se...

No, learn how to cite an actual reference, instead of a google
search. I could do a search on asshole idiot and it would come up
with lots of hits with guys like you, but I'm not going to read
through all of them. If you have a specific link that shows trading
spike history for the airlines in the entire prior year or two, I'd be
happy to see it.

But what does it matter, nothing will convince you. You probably
deny the holocaust too.




The conspiracy kooks simply point
out that there was a supposedly sinister spike several days before
911. *They don't say with what frequency similar spikes occur. In many
heavily traded stocks these type of spikes occur periodically for a
variety of perfectly normal and legitimate reasons and they aren't
followed by extraordinary events.

But thses were EXTREMELY out of the ordinary.

Out of the ordinary to whom? Various derivatives have trading
spikes. The FBI and 911 commission fully investigated this and found
the holders of all the major positions that could have profited had
perfectly legitimate reasons for their positions. You don't even
understand why a fund would buy the stock and hedge with puts, so how
could anyone ever satisfy you? If the FBI found out it was a wall
street mutual fund, received an adequate explanation, saw that they
have had similar trading positions, WTF more do you want? Should we
take the trader and put him on national news, so buffoons like you can
see what he looks like?




In other words, you're just another conspiracy kook.

And you're just an asshole calling peole kooks which doesn't make you
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Everyone can judge who the asshole is here.