On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:23:11 +0200, Jesus wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:35:19 GMT, Gunner wrote in
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:22:41 +0200, Jesus
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:24:29 GMT, Gunner wrote in
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:01:45 +0200, Jesus
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:53:30 GMT, Gunner wrote in
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:12:10 +0200, Jesus
I noticed in one ad, a very attractive gal in Texas, made specific
mention of her drinking problem. She may well have been drunk driving
and hurt or killed someone, which could have earned her many many
years. Not all of those gals are in there for being Evil, but Id say
the majority, (guys too) are there because they were weak, addicted to
something, or ran with the wrong people.
everyone is weak. there is no one strong.
Yes, they are all victims of society and shouldn't be held accountable
for their actions.
You some sort of dumbass Liberal? They ****ed up and are now paying
for it.
oh shame, he forgot to include tags to indicate irony (lmao @ douglas).
are you some kind of dumbass?
My post didnt give excuses, just how it happens.
they don't need your excuses. a woman who drowns her kids doesn't need to
answer to society. I am a member of society and I personally do not care how
many of her own children she drowns. I have no interest. I say, let her push
out kids all day long and drown them all every evening for as long as it
pleases her. I really simply do not care.
I notice your reading comprehension problems are endemic. Do work on
that, ok?
i have perfect comprehension of the situation.
As to your attempt to justify her actions, and to allow her to harm
others..simply by saying you dont care..bumber.
i don't have to justify her. justification is redundant. justification is a
byword. no one needs justification for anything they do. we can do anything
we want. at any time.
there is no right or wrong. there are only actions which benefit US and
others which harm US.
When someone lives in a society, that society has rules of behavior
and conduct.
i do not recognise society's rules. i say **** society. society has no
authority. all they have is power to force their rules. but they have no
authority to enforce. no one gave them authority. they simply assumed it for
themselves and made themselves gods over others.
Foot stamping noted.
**** yer foot stamping.
Denial is not a river in Egypt.

doesn't exist. the concept of denial was invented by psychologists whose
patients say "********" to their comments. then the shrink tells them that
they are in denial.

it is a con. it is merely a shortcut to winning an argument. and the shrinks
never have to prove anything they say.

If it didnt, it wouldnt be a "society". As long as one
wishes to live in that society, one must follow those rules.
i don't wish to live in society. but i have no choice but to, because
society has claimed all the land on the face of the earth for themselves.
So you are saying, that on the entire planet, given all the myrid
cultures in all the myrid races, that " a lack of society", has
universally been found wanting, a failed system that never works?
i have no idea what you just typed. if you have an idea to convey, express
it as simply and concisely as possible.
You are correct, that didnt come out right. Lets try it again....
You are claiming that you dont want to live in "society". If "no
society" was a proven and viable system, wouldnt there be places on
the planet that operate under a society free system? Name one.

hunter gatherers. they had no laws. they did as they saw fit.

hunter gatherers never had need of an army because they didn't lust after
wealth and power. they just lived off the land without harming it.

hunter gatherers and their way of life was destroyed by the white man.
because the white man invented agriculture. which led to surplus. which led
to creating armies to go sack other nations for their surplus.

Chuckle..hunter gatherers had strict tribal/clan codes they lived
by..and those by definition, are a society.

so we just need to exterminate the current civilisation and make sure that
no agriculture ever occurs again. crops must be burnt wherever they are
found.
Good luck...EG

Hint..such places always degenerate into total anarchy,

not true. the aborigines of Australia and the San people of Southern Africa
lived sustainable lifestyles until the white invader destroyed everything.

They have strict tribal and clan codes they lived by. Hence Society.
Id be happy to ask an aboriginal aquaintence to discuss this with you.
And as it happens that I have Native American heritage... G

white history is bull****. it teaches us nothing. it teaches us false
stories. that we need an organised society. but every organised society has
failed. every single one. the Roman Empire collapsed. one day, every single
society that today exists, will not. our short lifespans do not allow us to
perceive the pattern of downward spiral into chaos.

History books do a pretty good job of giving us the information about
the downward spirals of any civilization. But few people think it will
happen to them. Those home ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
Which also applies to bomb throwers such as yourself.

the only lifestyle that is sustainable is the hunter gatherer model. no
tech. no innovation. just live off the land. zero progress. man is an animal
and must live as one.

Why? We are not geneticly programmed to remain static. Hence its not in
our nature.

capitalism is just as ****ed up as communism. barter is the only true
economy. virtual money (numbers in a bank account with no precious metal
backing) tells the story. our currency is valueless. it is bits of paper.

But, it will get you medical care in the event of a sucking chest wound.
Try that with a pig.

one day the bubble will burst. and everyone will realise that all those
numbers in bank accounts are meaningless. all those bits of paper are
valueless.

Yup. Back to the Gold Standard!!!

when hyperinflation arrives, the bubble will burst. one day, hyperinflation
will come to every nation and it will not be stopped. entire economies will
disintegrate overnight. people will die in the billions. men with arms will
kill each other and anyone who is weak.

Likely. But thats the history we were discussing earlier.

modern man is a sick joke. he has no real skills. he does not know how to
survive naked on the plains. he does not even know how to make fire anymore.
he does not know how to hunt. he does not have any basic survival skills.
his survival technique is to make a trip to the supermarket.

Speak for yourself, White Man. Im a survivalist..shrug, YMMV. If modern
man was so helpless, we should have disappeared several thousand years
ago.

and folks tend to kill each other off in numbers,

which is exactly how it should be. people are animals and must live like
animals. animals kill other animals every day. it's how population is kept
in check. animal numbers are kept in check by killing by predators.

Ok. then you wont mind if I eat your heart?

man's numbers must be kept in check by regular culling of ourselves by
ourselves.

We do, read a history book sometime

until the survivors band together and form a society.

which ultimates dies anyway.

Everything dies, then is reborn. Nothing is static, that which does not
change and adapt, dies.

Please, again, show me an area with people, that
has no society. Please. Anywhere on the planet.

primitive tribes.

Name some, and then we can examine their tribal customes and mores.

The old Norse Law, had a definition for those whom proved to be unable
to abide by the rules. When one was so judged, he was also found to be
outside of the rules(laws) by his actions, and so also was not to
enjoy the protections of the law and hence was found to be Outside the
Law, or Outlaw. At which point, he was no longer under the protection
of the law, and anyone could do anything they wished to him, from
slavery to simply murdering him, without repercussions from the rest
of society, as the rules that bound that society together, the common
agreements, no longer applied to him.
we are all outlaws. people murder people everyday. laws are powerless to
prevent this. all laws do is punish people after the fact, if they can find
the people breaking their arbitrary rules.
Of course! And?
the legal system is all ****. all. not a single bit of good in it. it
doesn't solve any problems. it just is one big problem.
Get a ticket recently?

the legal system cannot fulfill it's promise to society. it cannot bring
about justice, which is what it was created to do.

True. But it does a better job than total anarchy.

it cannot keep society safe. it causes the harm. because little busy bodies
enact laws that control others. instead of letting everyone live as they see
fit, busy bodies enact laws that make certain things illegal.

Each man and woman is responsible for their own safety. You do
understand that, correct?

man likes to control man. and when man organises at country level, the
control increases. at tribal level, you just kill the **** ups, so the
influence doesn't last long and everyone learns to mind their own business
or they get killed. no jail in nature - just life or death.

Genetic programming is a bitch to deal with, hey?

our lives are ****ed up by laws. daily. every ****ing day.
Speak for yourself.

yer an idjit. your life has definitely been ****ed by laws. every single
person on this planet is daily inconvenienced by having to abide by little
man made rules which are meaningless.

Name some that '**** me"

if you lack something - go get it. grab it from someone who has it. that is
efficient. there is no such thing as ownership rights in nature. you keep it
if you can.

And then you die brutally, along with your family and clan.
Darwin at work.

whether you are in prison or out of prison, you are still in a cage. we are
not free until we usurp all government and kill many many people.
Unless you are one of the many people killed..then you are not free,
just dead.

no one cares about the dead. they are out of the game.

Game?

ideas must die. in order for those ideas to perish, we must annihilate every
single person who holds onto those ideas and ideals. no re-education. only
elimination.
So when do you start the kill off?

anytime i like. i'm god. i get to decide these things.

OOOOkkkk

One should note..that many of those people, such as myself, will resist.

you are powerless.

Depends....EG

Given that there are many more of us,

corporately you are still powerless. you have as much ability to keep
society from collapsing as the communists did in keeping that system going.

But we will form a new society. It may be a tribe, or a clan, but it
will have rules.

whom feels some society fills a need, there is a teensy bit of a
chance that it may be YOU whom is annihilated..but you takes your
chances, no?

i'm god. i'm immortal. just my mere breathe can destroy you. pray that i do
not.


Okkkkk...

One would hope that civic responsiblity or perhaps fear of punishment
goes towards keeping most folks from breaking those laws, but yes, and
"society" has rules about catching and punishing rule breakers.
no. we must not fear laws. we must fear each other.
Really? Must suck to live in your world.

bull. you live in that world already. if you do not fear your fellow man,
you are an imbecile. your fellow man is your murderer. regardless of all
laws, man is killed most by man. it might be outright murder, or it could be
a simple accident. but most people (who are killed) die as a result of the
actions of their fellow man.

Hummmmm been off the thorazine long?

I stopped being a cop, not because I felt that the bad guys were not
bad guys, but because too many of the cops were also bad guys, with a
badge, and committing criminal acts under color of authority.
whenever people are entrusted with power over others, they will exploit
that. essentially people are untamed vicious savages who only understand one
thing: force.
And you are complaining that people band together to defend each other
by force?..ie the ultimate will of the people when their agreed upon
rules are broken.
You cannot have it both ways.
i can and i do.
Only because society has not noticed you breaking the rules yet

society only notices those who acquire a large surplus of wealth. anyone who
wishes to attract the unwanted attention of other men, be they criminals or
governments (which are criminal organisations), should simply acquire great
wealth.

I wonder just how many Lynard Skynard bug eyed meth monsters without a
pot to **** in are sitting in the joint right now were filthy rich?

(if you really do, and are not doing a Walter Mitty /Mabu spew), and has
not squashed you like a bug. Keep a very low profile is my suggestion.

well the dumbest thing to do is to taunt a government. but i daily break
rules. i speed. i do other things which i will not mention.

Good for you. Someday you will slip. And then you will weep and cry for
your Mommy.

government is not people banding together. never has been. it is rule of the
world by the elite who must be exterminated en masse.
Really? Im sure you can provide some cites to that effect?

i don't care about cites. those are merely other people's opinions. i care
only about what i think.

Oh..I forgot, you are Dog.

i am what it is all about. and nothing else.

See above

if you think that governments are elected, ask yourself why Bush is in
power? ask yourself why Mugabe gets re-elected each time even though he is
solely responsible for the destruction of Zimbabwe.

Political process for Bush (no matter if you like it or not) and
Poltical corruption for Mugabe. Shrug, simple.

governments have never been elected. they are appointed. they are not from
the people, because ordinary people do not get into power. only selected
people do. it is all a game of smoke and mirrors which deceives the general
apathetic population. even if someone published books about this (they have)
it would not be believed by the masses and the masses would take no action
because the masses are apathetic.

Ill be sure to ask the Founders next time I see them.

as long as the masses are fed, clothed, housed and entertained, the masses
will not do anything to jeopardise those things.
Of course. Why should they?

so get rid of the current dispensation and let every man sort things out for
himself. no more central government. we will all have local groupings who
decide what is going to happen where they stay.
Local groupings..hummm you mean...societies?
no. no society. only groupings of people who determine for themselves only
and NOT for anyone else.
I take it you have had no classes in human behavior, and go through
life in a very very limited circle of people? And of course, your
grasp of human history is non existant, given that comment.
Ever read Lord of the Flies? I suggest you do so.

it is a work of fiction.

Which makes it no less true in context.

if you watch shows like survivor all you will see is bull**** not reality.

I dont watch TV.

a real tribe does not behave like that. a real tribe functions.

Yup, they function with rules and mores. Tribes are a small society, but
a society nontheless.

you are a very dense stupid ****wit.

Ad hominums from Dog? Im hurt.

Snicker

Gunner


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