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caught wind of a story where a guy went to repair the roof at a walgreen store and died while up there no one noticed and they forgot he was there apparently they found his truck in the lot after a few days if i did a job like that i would check in with the manager and tell them i will check out so they know |
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:22:38 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote: caught wind of a story where a guy went to repair the roof at a walgreen store and died while up there no one noticed and they forgot he was there apparently they found his truck in the lot after a few days if i did a job like that i would check in with the manager and tell them i will check out so they know Sadly it appears either Stormy did not make the arrangements, or the Walgreens employees did not follow through. Although Stormey wasn't always the sharpest pencil in the drawer, I'm betting on the Walgreens staff totally missing the boat on this one. Might not have saved his life, but would have meant the corpse wasn't up on the roof 3 or 4 days before being found. |
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:22:38 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote: caught wind of a story where a guy went to repair the roof at a walgreen store and died while up there no one noticed and they forgot he was there apparently they found his truck in the lot after a few days if i did a job like that i would check in with the manager and tell them i will check out so they know Whoever is on staff when you get there may not be when it is time to leave. Often they do no pass on the information in any event. As to other employee's most wouldn't even be aware of what you were doing or why unless it affected them directly. If the guy worked for himself then only his family would care, if he had any. If he was an employee then his service manager would have checked up on him. Unless it was over a weekend or was an unscheduled call. Typically for stores like that the store manager is a non-professional person who just rose through the ranks simply due to employee turnover. |
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On 4/16/2017 11:29 PM, OFWW wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:22:38 -0700, Electric Comet wrote: caught wind of a story where a guy went to repair the roof at a walgreen store and died while up there no one noticed and they forgot he was there apparently they found his truck in the lot after a few days if i did a job like that i would check in with the manager and tell them i will check out so they know Whoever is on staff when you get there may not be when it is time to leave. Often they do no pass on the information in any event. As to other employee's most wouldn't even be aware of what you were doing or why unless it affected them directly. If the guy worked for himself then only his family would care, if he had any. If he was an employee then his service manager would have checked up on him. Unless it was over a weekend or was an unscheduled call. Typically for stores like that the store manager is a non-professional person who just rose through the ranks simply due to employee turnover. Well, anyone that is being paid is a professional. But I agree with the jest. He was not groomed for the position. Concerning the dead guy, something should not have smelled right. ;~) |
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 09:00:10 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 4/16/2017 11:29 PM, OFWW wrote: On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:22:38 -0700, Electric Comet wrote: caught wind of a story where a guy went to repair the roof at a walgreen store and died while up there no one noticed and they forgot he was there apparently they found his truck in the lot after a few days if i did a job like that i would check in with the manager and tell them i will check out so they know Whoever is on staff when you get there may not be when it is time to leave. Often they do no pass on the information in any event. As to other employee's most wouldn't even be aware of what you were doing or why unless it affected them directly. If the guy worked for himself then only his family would care, if he had any. If he was an employee then his service manager would have checked up on him. Unless it was over a weekend or was an unscheduled call. Typically for stores like that the store manager is a non-professional person who just rose through the ranks simply due to employee turnover. Well, anyone that is being paid is a professional. But I agree with the jest. He was not groomed for the position. Point taken. Concerning the dead guy, something should not have smelled right. ;~) Yeah, didn't think of that, the HVAC intake should have picked up the odor and spread it around. |
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On 4/17/2017 12:29 AM, OFWW wrote:
Whoever is on staff when you get there may not be when it is time to leave. Often they do no pass on the information in any event. As to other employee's most wouldn't even be aware of what you were doing or why unless it affected them directly. If the guy worked for himself then only his family would care, if he had any. If he was an employee then his service manager would have checked up on him. Unless it was over a weekend or was an unscheduled call. Typically for stores like that the store manager is a non-professional person who just rose through the ranks simply due to employee turnover. Chris was single so no family to look for him. He was an independent so no service manager to look for him. Chris Young was a heating refrigeration guy, locksmith, general handywork. Death was from cardiac arrest. Not sure of his age, but he was 50ish. Overall nice guy that did a lot of work for seniors for cheap. Sad way to go. |
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:21:13 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/17/2017 12:29 AM, OFWW wrote: Whoever is on staff when you get there may not be when it is time to leave. Often they do no pass on the information in any event. As to other employee's most wouldn't even be aware of what you were doing or why unless it affected them directly. If the guy worked for himself then only his family would care, if he had any. If he was an employee then his service manager would have checked up on him. Unless it was over a weekend or was an unscheduled call. Typically for stores like that the store manager is a non-professional person who just rose through the ranks simply due to employee turnover. Chris was single so no family to look for him. He was an independent so no service manager to look for him. Chris Young was a heating refrigeration guy, locksmith, general handywork. Death was from cardiac arrest. Not sure of his age, but he was 50ish. Overall nice guy that did a lot of work for seniors for cheap. Sad way to go. Thanks for the inside info. Makes sense. Knew of an HVAC guy here who was working in a crawl space attic and had a heart attack there, the customer heard him through the ceiling and called fire rescue, and while I can't remember how they got him out, I think it was through the ceiling. Fortunately the story happened happily with full recovery. |
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:21:13 -0400
Ed Pawlowski wrote: Chris was single so no family to look for him. He was an independent so no service manager to look for him. Chris Young was a heating refrigeration guy, locksmith, general handywork. Death was from cardiac arrest. Not sure of his age, but he was 50ish. Overall nice guy that did a lot of work for seniors for cheap. Sad way to go. that is true and sounds too young after a few days i would guess that cause of death might be difficult to determine maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people not exactly what you want your store to be known for |
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:36:28 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote: On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:21:13 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: Chris was single so no family to look for him. He was an independent so no service manager to look for him. Chris Young was a heating refrigeration guy, locksmith, general handywork. Death was from cardiac arrest. Not sure of his age, but he was 50ish. Overall nice guy that did a lot of work for seniors for cheap. Sad way to go. that is true and sounds too young after a few days i would guess that cause of death might be difficult to determine maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people not exactly what you want your store to be known for Dead is dead. Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a certified EMT? Just in case? No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers awareness of on site personnel. |
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maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people not exactly what you want your store to be known for Dead is dead. Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a certified EMT? Just in case? No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers awareness of on site personnel. You pose totally ridiculous "solutions" - then say nothing can be done .. Duh. Let's hope you are never in charge of worker safety - especially any young workers who are too green to challenge you. 1. working alone in a hazardous job / location 2. check-in / check-out daily or more 3. communication checks from job site These are just a quick few topics of conversation for the investigators to consider - and recommend improvements. John T. |
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Electric Comet writes:
caught wind of a story where a guy went to repair the roof at a walgreen store and died while up there Ah yes, the stormin' moron. (aka chris young) |
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On 4/18/2017 11:31 AM, OFWW wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:36:28 -0700, Electric Comet wrote: On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:21:13 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: Chris was single so no family to look for him. He was an independent so no service manager to look for him. Chris Young was a heating refrigeration guy, locksmith, general handywork. Death was from cardiac arrest. Not sure of his age, but he was 50ish. Overall nice guy that did a lot of work for seniors for cheap. Sad way to go. that is true and sounds too young after a few days i would guess that cause of death might be difficult to determine maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people not exactly what you want your store to be known for Dead is dead. Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a certified EMT? Just in case? Agreed. You hire people to do this and it is up to those people to take proper precautions. No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers awareness of on site personnel. |
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How sad to see this humble blue collar man's death become a **** storm of pontificating bull****.
Ed is the only one that has noted the sadness of this man's passing. I think of so many one/two man companies I work with that have service guys that are divorced, their kids are grown or moved away, and yet they still get up every day and do something useful without prompting. The could easily be Chris King on any given day. I work about 40 to 50% of the time on homes and small commercial sites that have no one at home, no one to check in with, and I climb on roofs to do estimates, work on roofs for repairs, go high on ladders to examine repairs and take pictures for reports, etc. Sometimes I never see my clients, we just email and text. It was strange at first being a completely one man show that is responsible for every aspect of the work from estimating to completion. Doing that for a couple of decades though, you get used to it. I realize that I could be hurt (and have been) badly when there is no one to help. Poor Chris was doomed, and going to work that day, doing that job was his undoing. Seeing this thread about what could have/should have/ought to have been makes me glad I don't work that much with others. The guy is dead for crying out loud. He was just making a living. And apparently (after reading a bit) he died the way he lived, he just went away. He didn't seem like the guy that expected much out of life from what I read, but as pointed out was there to help others. If only you guys had been there to advise him and the people around him on how to act, what to do professionally, and how to interface with the world, letting him know of his shortcomings and personal responsibilities. With this kind of advice, he might have jumped off the damn roof. It seems that these threads of bickering self righteousness get at least 10X the interest than any wood working thread do these days. Robert |
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On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 3:55:52 AM UTC-4, wrote:
How sad to see this humble blue collar man's death become a **** storm of pontificating bull****. Ed is the only one that has noted the sadness of this man's passing. I think of so many one/two man companies I work with that have service guys that are divorced, their kids are grown or moved away, and yet they still get up every day and do something useful without prompting. The could easily be Chris King on any given day. I work about 40 to 50% of the time on homes and small commercial sites that have no one at home, no one to check in with, and I climb on roofs to do estimates, work on roofs for repairs, go high on ladders to examine repairs and take pictures for reports, etc. Sometimes I never see my clients, we just email and text. It was strange at first being a completely one man show that is responsible for every aspect of the work from estimating to completion. Doing that for a couple of decades though, you get used to it. I realize that I could be hurt (and have been) badly when there is no one to help. Poor Chris was doomed, and going to work that day, doing that job was his undoing. Seeing this thread about what could have/should have/ought to have been makes me glad I don't work that much with others. The guy is dead for crying out loud. He was just making a living. And apparently (after reading a bit) he died the way he lived, he just went away. He didn't seem like the guy that expected much out of life from what I read, but as pointed out was there to help others. If only you guys had been there to advise him and the people around him on how to act, what to do professionally, and how to interface with the world, letting him know of his shortcomings and personal responsibilities. With this kind of advice, he might have jumped off the damn roof. It seems that these threads of bickering self righteousness get at least 10X the interest than any wood working thread do these days. Robert +1 Nuff said. |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 00:55:47 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: How sad to see this humble blue collar man's death become a **** storm of pontificating bull****. Ed is the only one that has noted the sadness of this man's passing. I think of so many one/two man companies I work with that have service guys that are divorced, their kids are grown or moved away, and yet they still get up every day and do something useful without prompting. The could easily be Chris King on any given day. I work about 40 to 50% of the time on homes and small commercial sites that have no one at home, no one to check in with, and I climb on roofs to do estimates, work on roofs for repairs, go high on ladders to examine repairs and take pictures for reports, etc. Sometimes I never see my clients, we just email and text. It was strange at first being a completely one man show that is responsible for every aspect of the work from estimating to completion. Doing that for a couple of decades though, you get used to it. I realize that I could be hurt (and have been) badly when there is no one to help. Poor Chris was doomed, and going to work that day, doing that job was his undoing. Seeing this thread about what could have/should have/ought to have been makes me glad I don't work that much with others. The guy is dead for crying out loud. He was just making a living. And apparently (after reading a bit) he died the way he lived, he just went away. He didn't seem like the guy that expected much out of life from what I read, but as pointed out was there to help others. If only you guys had been there to advise him and the people around him on how to act, what to do professionally, and how to interface with the world, letting him know of his shortcomings and personal responsibilities. With this kind of advice, he might have jumped off the damn roof. It seems that these threads of bickering self righteousness get at least 10X the interest than any wood working thread do these days. Robert I agree with you, back of my mind though was the sorrow for the guy evidently had no one caring about him, or so it seemed. |
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:47:18 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:35:38 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:18:56 -0400, wrote: maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people not exactly what you want your store to be known for Dead is dead. Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a certified EMT? Just in case? No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers awareness of on site personnel. You pose totally ridiculous "solutions" - then say nothing can be done .. Duh. Let's hope you are never in charge of worker safety - especially any young workers who are too green to challenge you. 1. working alone in a hazardous job / location Not the customer's issue Actually, it can be. I wouldn't bet on the labour board totally absolving you of responsibility Maybe in Cannuckistan. He didn't fall off the roof. He dropped dead of a heart attack. The customer had no liability whatsoever. |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:21:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/19/2017 3:55 AM, wrote: Seeing this thread about what could have/should have/ought to have been makes me glad I don't work that much with others. The guy is dead for crying out loud. He was just making a living. And apparently (after reading a bit) he died the way he lived, he just went away. He didn't seem like the guy that expected much out of life from what I read, but as pointed out was there to help others. As much as the death may sadden us, there are things to learn from this. Thank you, Robert I never met Chris but have known him from usenet for a few years now. He led a simple life, lived alone in a modest trailer and helped a lot of people. If there is a heaven, he is there. I didn't realize who we were talking about. I knew him from AHR, from way back (but haven't been active there for several years). It would be a better world if we were all as giving. |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:50:38 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:47:18 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:35:38 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:18:56 -0400, wrote: maybe they will change how they handle contractors and repair people not exactly what you want your store to be known for Dead is dead. Nothing the store could do other than escort the serviceman while he was there, or install cameras to watch the roof and everything, then have someone monitoring the camera's. Then what, have the escort be a certified EMT? Just in case? No reason for changing anything other than perhaps the store managers awareness of on site personnel. You pose totally ridiculous "solutions" - then say nothing can be done .. Duh. Let's hope you are never in charge of worker safety - especially any young workers who are too green to challenge you. 1. working alone in a hazardous job / location Not the customer's issue Actually, it can be. I wouldn't bet on the labour board totally absolving you of responsibility Maybe in Cannuckistan. He didn't fall off the roof. He dropped dead of a heart attack. The customer had no liability whatsoever. The USA is a lot more litigious than Canada. That said, in THIS case there would not likely be any fallout -but there are many other similar situations where liability could be assessed.- even in the USA. |
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"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message ... Well, anyone that is being paid is a professional. But I agree with the jest. He was not groomed for the position. Concerning the dead guy, something should not have smelled right. ;~) Can't speak for Walgreens but my two partners and I did considerable maintenance and repairs for Eckerds [now CVS] in the late 90s and beyond. All the store managers we ever dealt with started as pharmacists. Dave in SoTex |
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On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4, Dave in SoTex wrote:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message ... Well, anyone that is being paid is a professional. But I agree with the jest. He was not groomed for the position. Concerning the dead guy, something should not have smelled right. ;~) Can't speak for Walgreens but my two partners and I did considerable maintenance and repairs for Eckerds [now CVS] in the late 90s and beyond. All the store managers we ever dealt with started as pharmacists. Dave in SoTex If you had gone up on the roof of an Eckerds (now CVS) and died while you were up there, would you have been left there for a couple of days or were procedures in place to keep track of maintenance workers? |
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On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:24:11 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4, Dave in SoTex wrote: "Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message ... Well, anyone that is being paid is a professional. But I agree with the jest. He was not groomed for the position. Concerning the dead guy, something should not have smelled right. ;~) Can't speak for Walgreens but my two partners and I did considerable maintenance and repairs for Eckerds [now CVS] in the late 90s and beyond. All the store managers we ever dealt with started as pharmacists. Dave in SoTex If you had gone up on the roof of an Eckerds (now CVS) and died while you were up there, would you have been left there for a couple of days or were procedures in place to keep track of maintenance workers? Since I did commercial and industrial HVAC, few retail stores ever cared about checking, if any. There was never any routine for checking, and unless you killed an A/C unit to service and it got hot in the Pharmacy, they would care less, or the managers office. |
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