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On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
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Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.
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Wait a minute...there is hope.

The article states this:

"The decision of the ITC will now move to the United States Trade Representative
(USTR), as delegated by the President, who must approve or disapprove the ITCs
final decision in sixty (60) days. The USTR rarely goes against the ITC, having
disapproved of the ITCs determination once in nearly 30 years."

If the past few weeks are any indication, it may not be "business as usual"
(minor pun intended) in Washington. Recent events seem to indicate that we
can no longer let history be our guide.



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Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


That would be wonderful.
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On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632


Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be lost?


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In article a426cc09-91ce-4c80-8853-e44571ca2ad9
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On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632


Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be lost?


You can sue anybody for anything. Doesn't mean
you'll win.

We just want something horrible to happen to
Gass.
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On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 9:05:18 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
In article a426cc09-91ce-4c80-8853-e44571ca2ad9
@googlegroups.com, says...

On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632


Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be lost?


You can sue anybody for anything. Doesn't mean
you'll win.


I'm offended by that answer. My attorney will be in touch with your attorney.

Expect a letter from Screwem Goode & Hart



We just want something horrible to happen to
Gass.


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On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 18:50:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
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Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


After reading Gass' patents, I didn't see how anyone could get around
them. They are *really* broad and without a *huge* pile of cash, Gass
was in an unassailable position WRT patents.

I don't see how anyone can sue Gass. They could buy a SawStop.
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On 2/7/2017 9:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632


Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be lost?


Bosch is a smaller saw easily taken to the jobsite. Not so much for
SawStop.

SawStop is a good product. Gass in more interested in making money than
saving fingers or he would be selling his technology at reasonable
prices so the world would be a safer place.
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In article ,
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On 2/7/2017 9:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632


Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be lost?


Bosch is a smaller saw easily taken to the jobsite. Not so much for
SawStop.

SawStop is a good product. Gass in more interested in making money than
saving fingers or he would be selling his technology at reasonable
prices so the world would be a safer place.


And he would have happily greeted Bosch's
alternative design instead of going after them
with lawyers.

But he's a scum sucking bottom
^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^^H^Hlawyer
himself.


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On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 9:39:06 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 9:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632


Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be lost?


Bosch is a smaller saw easily taken to the jobsite. Not so much for
SawStop.


Really?

https://www.protoolreviews.com/tools...jss-mca/14982/


SawStop is a good product. Gass in more interested in making money than
saving fingers or he would be selling his technology at reasonable
prices so the world would be a safer place.


True, but not relevant (as a lawyer would say) to this particular
lawsuit discussion.
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On 2/7/2017 8:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632


Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be lost?



Its just the absurdity if holding a grudge for a person that long.
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On 2/7/2017 8:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 9:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632



Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a
comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw
Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if
someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be
lost?


Bosch is a smaller saw easily taken to the jobsite. Not so much for
SawStop.


Actually SawStop has a contractors job site saw and it is less expensive
than the Bosch.

https://www.amazon.com/SawStop-JSS-M...ywords=sawstop

https://www.amazon.com/Bosch-GTS1041...ds=bosch+reaxx



SawStop is a good product. Gass in more interested in making money than
saving fingers or he would be selling his technology at reasonable
prices so the world would be a safer place.



Who is more interested in making money in the above example? ;~)

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On 2/7/2017 9:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
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On 2/7/2017 9:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632


Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.

Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be lost?


Bosch is a smaller saw easily taken to the jobsite. Not so much for
SawStop.

SawStop is a good product. Gass in more interested in making money than
saving fingers or he would be selling his technology at reasonable
prices so the world would be a safer place.


And he would have happily greeted Bosch's
alternative design instead of going after them
with lawyers.

But he's a scum sucking bottom
^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^^H^Hlawyer
himself.



ooohhhh you are sooo emotional LOL ROTHL
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On 2/7/2017 11:35 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Bosch is a smaller saw easily taken to the jobsite. Not so much for
SawStop.


Really?

https://www.protoolreviews.com/tools...jss-mca/14982/


I was unaware of that model.



SawStop is a good product. Gass in more interested in making money than
saving fingers or he would be selling his technology at reasonable
prices so the world would be a safer place.


True, but not relevant (as a lawyer would say) to this particular
lawsuit discussion.

Relevance and 12 jurors are different things. If a big company is a bad
guy, relevance, truth, and fact mean little.



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On 2/8/2017 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 11:35 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Bosch is a smaller saw easily taken to the jobsite. Not so much for
SawStop.


Really?

https://www.protoolreviews.com/tools...jss-mca/14982/



I was unaware of that model.



SawStop is a good product. Gass in more interested in making money than
saving fingers or he would be selling his technology at reasonable
prices so the world would be a safer place.


True, but not relevant (as a lawyer would say) to this particular
lawsuit discussion.

Relevance and 12 jurors are different things. If a big company is a bad
guy, relevance, truth, and fact mean little.



Absolutely true but with the fact that SawStop is so successful, it is
obvious that the vast majority will see SS as the good guy. There are
only a handful of people with issues that don't seem to be able to let
things go. Those type jurors would most likely be eliminated during
jury selection.
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 10:59:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/7/2017 11:35 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Bosch is a smaller saw easily taken to the jobsite. Not so much for
SawStop.


Really?

https://www.protoolreviews.com/tools...jss-mca/14982/


I was unaware of that model.



SawStop is a good product. Gass in more interested in making money than
saving fingers or he would be selling his technology at reasonable
prices so the world would be a safer place.


True, but not relevant (as a lawyer would say) to this particular
lawsuit discussion.

Relevance and 12 jurors are different things. If a big company is a bad
guy, relevance, truth, and fact mean little.


It *always* means the lawyers are going to get rich. It then comes
down to who has the bigger pocket (don't forget, lawyers are paid for
out of *profit*).
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On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 22:39:35 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 2/7/2017 8:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632


Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be lost?



Its just the absurdity if holding a grudge for a person that long.


Grudge? What's a gruge got to do with it? Once a scum-sucking
lawyer, always a scum-sucking lawer. There is no statute of
limitations on staying clear of bottom-feeding rent-seeking scum.
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On 2/7/2017 9:05 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article a426cc09-91ce-4c80-8853-e44571ca2ad9
@googlegroups.com, says...

On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632


Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be lost?


You can sue anybody for anything. Doesn't mean
you'll win.

We just want something horrible to happen to
Gass.

Speak for yourself.
The man offered all the companies the licensing rights. none took him up
on it.

I don't begrudge him. You do.. that's your problem.

His patent covers the method of detection too, which REAXX used.
same as a gfci... I guess Gass was smart enough to cover that.

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On 2/7/2017 9:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 9:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632



Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.


Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a
comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw
Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if
someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be
lost?


Bosch is a smaller saw easily taken to the jobsite. Not so much for
SawStop.

Wrong , sawstop makes a jobsite saw.

SawStop is a good product. Gass in more interested in making money than
saving fingers or he would be selling his technology at reasonable
prices so the world would be a safer place.


So you don't like the capitalistic system? He offered the license.. no
one took it. He patented it like normal inventors do, now you don't like
that.
GET REAL


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On 2/7/2017 8:50 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 5:28:42 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...ate-of-reaxx_o


Wait a minute...there is hope.

The article states this:

"The decision of the ITC will now move to the United States Trade Representative
(USTR), as delegated by the President, who must approve or disapprove the ITCs
final decision in sixty (60) days. The USTR rarely goes against the ITC, having
disapproved of the ITCs determination once in nearly 30 years."

If the past few weeks are any indication, it may not be "business as usual"
(minor pun intended) in Washington. Recent events seem to indicate that we
can no longer let history be our guide.




I don't see how the President would side with Bosch, as it's a German
company over SawStop an American company.

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On 2017-02-08 1:21 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 2/7/2017 8:50 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 5:28:42 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...ate-of-reaxx_o


Wait a minute...there is hope.

The article states this:

"The decision of the ITC will now move to the United States Trade
Representative
(USTR), as delegated by the President, who must approve or disapprove
the ITCs
final decision in sixty (60) days. The USTR rarely goes against the
ITC, having
disapproved of the ITCs determination once in nearly 30 years."

If the past few weeks are any indication, it may not be "business as
usual"
(minor pun intended) in Washington. Recent events seem to indicate
that we
can no longer let history be our guide.




I don't see how the President would side with Bosch, as it's a German
company over SawStop an American company.

Build a wall around Germany, oh wait, that was done.

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On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 1:21:29 PM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
On 2/7/2017 8:50 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 5:28:42 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...ate-of-reaxx_o


Wait a minute...there is hope.

The article states this:

"The decision of the ITC will now move to the United States Trade Representative
(USTR), as delegated by the President, who must approve or disapprove the ITCs
final decision in sixty (60) days. The USTR rarely goes against the ITC, having
disapproved of the ITCs determination once in nearly 30 years."

If the past few weeks are any indication, it may not be "business as usual"
(minor pun intended) in Washington. Recent events seem to indicate that we
can no longer let history be our guide.




I don't see how the President would side with Bosch, as it's a German
company over SawStop an American company.

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There you go again, assigning rationality to an irrational situation. ;-)

(I'm not getting political here, I'm just having fun.)
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On 2/8/2017 1:07 PM, woodchucker wrote:

The man offered all the companies the licensing rights. none took him up
on it.

I don't begrudge him. You do.. that's your problem.



Maybe. I have no idea of the terms he wanted. Over the years so
patents were offered free of royalty because they had the potential to
save lives. Being a generous sort of guy, I once offered a meal to a
starving homeless person for only $30.
http://jalopnik.com/volvo-gave-away-...ave-1069825878



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I don't see how the President would side with Bosch, as it's a German
company over SawStop an American company.


Yeah, just add the 20% import tariff
Where is a SawStop table saw made?
SawStop is a US-owned company, and each table saw is engineered at our
headquarters just south of Portland, Oregon. Every table saw is built in
Taiwan to an unmatched set of tolerances.


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On 2/8/2017 2:37 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/8/2017 1:07 PM, woodchucker wrote:

The man offered all the companies the licensing rights. none took him up
on it.

I don't begrudge him. You do.. that's your problem.



Maybe. I have no idea of the terms he wanted. Over the years so
patents were offered free of royalty because they had the potential to
save lives. Being a generous sort of guy, I once offered a meal to a
starving homeless person for only $30.
http://jalopnik.com/volvo-gave-away-...ave-1069825878




That's a great story.

Today you have lane departure, auto braking, all are covering with
patents and you pay for it in the car purchase.

So things have changed quite a bit.

I would have given the homeless guy a free meal, I would not have
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Maybe. I have no idea of the terms he wanted. Over the years so
patents were offered free of royalty because they had the potential to
save lives. Being a generous sort of guy, I once offered a meal to a
starving homeless person for only $30.
http://jalopnik.com/volvo-gave-away-...ave-1069825878





That's a great story.

Today you have lane departure, auto braking, all are covering with
patents and you pay for it in the car purchase.

So things have changed quite a bit.

I would have given the homeless guy a free meal, I would not have
charged him the $30 ;-)


My lawyer said I'm entitled to a profit.
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On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 2:37:36 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/8/2017 1:07 PM, woodchucker wrote:

The man offered all the companies the licensing rights. none took him up
on it.

I don't begrudge him. You do.. that's your problem.



Maybe. I have no idea of the terms he wanted. Over the years so
patents were offered free of royalty because they had the potential to
save lives. Being a generous sort of guy, I once offered a meal to a
starving homeless person for only $30.
http://jalopnik.com/volvo-gave-away-...ave-1069825878


That gesture was over half a century ago. I'm curious as to whether Volvo would be so
quick to give away their City Safety technology today.

I have no idea how it compares with other auto-braking technologies out there, but that's
not the point. In an apples-to-apples modern day comparison, do you know if Volvo is giving
away what they call their "in-house developed unique technology for avoiding low-speed
collisions"? I don't think they are, so why not use that as a comparable to the Saw-Stop
situation instead of a 50+ year old gesture?






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On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 10:59:17 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 11:35 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Bosch is a smaller saw easily taken to the jobsite. Not so much for
SawStop.


Really?

https://www.protoolreviews.com/tools...jss-mca/14982/


I was unaware of that model.



SawStop is a good product. Gass in more interested in making money than
saving fingers or he would be selling his technology at reasonable
prices so the world would be a safer place.


True, but not relevant (as a lawyer would say) to this particular
lawsuit discussion.

Relevance and 12 jurors are different things. If a big company is a bad
guy, relevance, truth, and fact mean little.


OK, so tell me on what grounds a person could expect to win a suit against
Gass if they cut off a finger on non-Saw Stop saw? Would it go something
like this:

"Your honor, my client could have bought a SawStop and avoided this terrible
accident, but he thinks Gass is an A-Hole and didn't want to give him any money.

Surely you can see how that is the fault of Gass and that he should be held responsible
for my client's injuries. "
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True, but not relevant (as a lawyer would say) to this particular
lawsuit discussion.

Relevance and 12 jurors are different things. If a big company is a bad
guy, relevance, truth, and fact mean little.


OK, so tell me on what grounds a person could expect to win a suit against
Gass if they cut off a finger on non-Saw Stop saw? Would it go something
like this:

"Your honor, my client could have bought a SawStop and avoided this terrible
accident, but he thinks Gass is an A-Hole and didn't want to give him any money.

Surely you can see how that is the fault of Gass and that he should be held responsible
for my client's injuries. "


Cases have been won exactly that way. You just need the right jury.


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That gesture was over half a century ago. I'm curious as to whether Volvo would be so
quick to give away their City Safety technology today.

I have no idea how it compares with other auto-braking technologies out there, but that's
not the point. In an apples-to-apples modern day comparison, do you know if Volvo is giving
away what they call their "in-house developed unique technology for avoiding low-speed
collisions"? I don't think they are, so why not use that as a comparable to the Saw-Stop
situation instead of a 50+ year old gesture?


There are newer cases but I chose not to take the time to look them up.
Elon Musk is giving away some technology to helf electric vehicles
expand in the marketplaceIt was an example. Anyone wanting more should
find there own.

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On 2/8/2017 2:49 PM, woodchucker wrote:


Maybe. I have no idea of the terms he wanted. Over the years so
patents were offered free of royalty because they had the potential
to save lives. Being a generous sort of guy, I once offered a meal
to a starving homeless person for only $30.
http://jalopnik.com/volvo-gave-away-...t-invention-to
-save-1069825878





That's a great story.

Today you have lane departure, auto braking, all are covering with
patents and you pay for it in the car purchase.

So things have changed quite a bit.

I would have given the homeless guy a free meal, I would not have
charged him the $30 ;-)


My lawyer said I'm entitled to a profit.


I did something similar, but didn't charge him the $30. About a week
later, a holy man came to my door. Just like you, my lawyer told me I
was entitled to a prophet.

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On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 5:04:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote in :

On 2/8/2017 2:49 PM, woodchucker wrote:


Maybe. I have no idea of the terms he wanted. Over the years so
patents were offered free of royalty because they had the potential
to save lives. Being a generous sort of guy, I once offered a meal
to a starving homeless person for only $30.
http://jalopnik.com/volvo-gave-away-...t-invention-to
-save-1069825878





That's a great story.

Today you have lane departure, auto braking, all are covering with
patents and you pay for it in the car purchase.

So things have changed quite a bit.

I would have given the homeless guy a free meal, I would not have
charged him the $30 ;-)


My lawyer said I'm entitled to a profit.


I did something similar, but didn't charge him the $30. About a week
later, a holy man came to my door. Just like you, my lawyer told me I
was entitled to a prophet.

Puckdropper


You are obviously not an atheist.

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
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On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:46:23 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

here is a SawStop table saw made?
SawStop is a US-owned company, and each table saw is engineered at our
headquarters just south of Portland, Oregon. Every table saw is built in
Taiwan to an unmatched set of tolerances.


IIRC, we checked the table flatness and found it was worse than both
General and Powermatic - so much for "unmatched tolerances".

Caveat - that was a very small sample and several years ago. It may have
been a fluke or things may have changed in the intervening years.

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On 2/8/2017 12:07 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 2/7/2017 9:05 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article a426cc09-91ce-4c80-8853-e44571ca2ad9
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On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power...c05c6eecb92632



Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.

Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a
comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw
Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if
someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be
lost?


You can sue anybody for anything. Doesn't mean
you'll win.

We just want something horrible to happen to
Gass.

Speak for yourself.
The man offered all the companies the licensing rights. none took him up
on it.


Exactly and with out a clue as to what the actual costs were are
suddenly experts at what a license should cost.
The other companies were betting against this getting off the ground and
lost, lost really big. One was about to pull the trigger to get the
license and got cold feet. I would imagine that the cost was not too
much for them but probably pulled out when every one else looked the
other way. I bet they are kicking themselves in the butt now.

Either way the patents will run out sooner than later.




I don't begrudge him. You do.. that's your problem.

His patent covers the method of detection too, which REAXX used.
same as a gfci... I guess Gass was smart enough to cover that.


What I am really happy about is that the SawStop is a high quality
machine. Expensive, YES, but high quality machines are expensive but
not all offer the technology.


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On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 22:39:35 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 2/7/2017 8:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 6:50:15 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2017 5:28 PM, Leon wrote:
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Steve Gass continues to make friends. I wonder if someone losing a
finger will sue Gass for not allowing Bosch to sell here.

Is there a shortage of Saw Stop saws here? Is the price of Saw Stop so
prohibitive here that anyone who would have bought a Reaxx for the
safety feature can't/won't buy a Saw Stop?

IOW, I don't see how anyone could sue the company that offers a comparable
product to the banned one. If someone wants the technology, and a Saw Stop
is available at roughly the same price, why would Gass be liable if someone
chooses not to buy his product? How did Gass cause that finger to be lost?



Its just the absurdity if holding a grudge for a person that long.


Grudge? What's a gruge got to do with it? Once a scum-sucking
lawyer, always a scum-sucking lawer. There is no statute of
limitations on staying clear of bottom-feeding rent-seeking scum.


Do you have pictures of Gass sucking scum or is that just something you
made up. Ther is an old saying, It takes one to call one.
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I don't see how the President would side with Bosch, as it's a German
company over SawStop an American company.


Yeah, just add the 20% import tariff
Where is a SawStop table saw made?
SawStop is a US-owned company, and each table saw is engineered at our
headquarters just south of Portland, Oregon. Every table saw is built in
Taiwan to an unmatched set of tolerances.



I suspect that 20% more for a SawStop will not deter sales.
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On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 5:30:42 PM UTC-5, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:46:23 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

here is a SawStop table saw made?
SawStop is a US-owned company, and each table saw is engineered at our
headquarters just south of Portland, Oregon. Every table saw is built in
Taiwan to an unmatched set of tolerances.


IIRC, we checked the table flatness and found it was worse than both
General and Powermatic - so much for "unmatched tolerances".


"Unmatched" doesn't have to mean tight, precise, etc. The statement could mean
that the tolerances are so bad that no decent saw matches them. ;-)


Caveat - that was a very small sample and several years ago. It may have
been a fluke or things may have changed in the intervening years.


Well, there's your problem. A fluke is not going to be as flat as a table saw. That big knob
in the middle, the holes for the leads, the screen, etc. My Fluke 75 is pretty bumpy.
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On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 4:40:20 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

The man offered all the companies the licensing rights. none took him up


The other companies were betting against this getting off the ground and
lost, lost really big. One was about to pull the trigger to get the
license and got cold feet. I would imagine that the cost was not too
much for them but probably pulled out when every one else looked the
other way. I bet they are kicking themselves in the butt now.

Either way the patents will run out sooner than later.


Not sure they are kicking themselves or not. Any competent company looked at the cost for the license, cost for the extra material/technology to build the saw, and did some kind of estimate for potential sales and/or gains from having the SawStop on their saws. They decided it did not make economic sense to buy the SawStop license because the return/profit would not be enough.

SawStop is a going concern now. But no one knows how much money the company is making. No one knows how many table saws are being sold. Total number of SawStops sold and total of all table saws sold. New and used. Cost per saw. Only this Gass person knows how much he could have sold the SawStop technology to a company and how much he is making as a business. Money decides whether it was smart or foolish to do it the way he did. He could easily be kicking himself if he was offered ten million for the license and refused, and then opened his own business and is only making one hundred thousand net. He will have to run his business for 100 years to break even.
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On 2/8/2017 5:49 PM, Leon wrote:
On 2/8/2017 1:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/8/2017 1:21 PM, woodchucker wrote:




I don't see how the President would side with Bosch, as it's a German
company over SawStop an American company.


Yeah, just add the 20% import tariff
Where is a SawStop table saw made?
SawStop is a US-owned company, and each table saw is engineered at our
headquarters just south of Portland, Oregon. Every table saw is built in
Taiwan to an unmatched set of tolerances.



I suspect that 20% more for a SawStop will not deter sales.


agreed, many shops have switched due to the lower insurance costs, or
the benefit of the employee safety. Many have not.

I was going to get one when my son got out of school that was the deal
with the wife, but I am still getting lots of flack over it.

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