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Anyone see this yet?

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On 8/26/2016 10:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw



Yes, I saw it some time ago and totally forgot about it.

Looks pretty darn cool.....

https://shapertools.com/#Howitworks
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw


Interesting tool, but I gotta comment on that Soap Box Derby car.

First off, if Dad thinks he's going to keep up with the car by running, he is
sadly mistaken.

Second, that hill is far too steep for that car. I can imagine that the
car will exceed 25-30 MPH once it hits the drop off shown at the end of
the video. No one would in their right mind would let their kid run a derby
car down that street. We clock cars in the low to mid 20's on tracks that
are much flatter than that road. I don't know what kind of brake they put
in that thing, but there's way a standard derby brake will stop that car
at the bottom of that hill.

Third, you don't run derby cars down streets with cars parked on them.
Just imagine what would happen if the kid ran into the back of that black
SUV or caught one of his wheels in the wheel well of a parked car.

I gotta tell you, the last part of the video made me cringe. I can only
hope that he stopped before going over the crest of that drop off. They
couldn't have paid me enough to let any of my kids film that video and
I've got championship winning racers on my team.
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On 8/26/2016 11:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw


So at first I thought: it just *shows* you where to cut, but it's
essentially freehand??? But I watched a second video and now I see that
the router mount compensates to keep the router on the proper line.

So here's my next question: Obviously there's a limit to how quickly the
router control mount can react; presumably designed to be faster than
human hands are likely to jerk the tool off-course. But What about
vibration? And, assuming you might want to use something other than
plywood, tougher materials with inconsistencies? Does a 1/4" bit really
go through 3/4 material smoothly enough?

I ask this not to make an argument, but as a real question from someone
whose experience is limited.
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On 8/26/2016 12:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/26/2016 11:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw


So at first I thought: it just *shows* you where to cut, but it's
essentially freehand??? But I watched a second video and now I see that
the router mount compensates to keep the router on the proper line.

So here's my next question: Obviously there's a limit to how quickly the
router control mount can react; presumably designed to be faster than
human hands are likely to jerk the tool off-course. But What about
vibration? And, assuming you might want to use something other than
plywood, tougher materials with inconsistencies? Does a 1/4" bit really
go through 3/4 material smoothly enough?

I ask this not to make an argument, but as a real question from someone
whose experience is limited.



I doubt anyone here can answer those questions. BUT Rockler is a
partner so maybe they will be able to offer hands on in the near future.


Whether it can or can not cut through 3/4" material, in one pass, I
would not want it to do so. My concern is if it can make multiple dept
passes in the same place once it cuts through the indexing tape.

But still I could use this on every project. This tool will probably be
as revolutionary as the Domino. CNC's are not horribly more expensive
but with this tool being portable it will not have size limitations like
a stationary CNC machine.


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On 8/26/2016 2:16 PM, Leon wrote:
Whether it can or can not cut through 3/4" material, in one pass, I
would not want it to do so. My concern is if it can make multiple dept
passes in the same place once it cuts through the indexing tape.


I was wondering about that too, even if it did not cut the tape. I think
that would be a really excellent demonstration for them to do: make
three identical passes at different depths and then inspect the edge.
That would be a pretty good test of accuracy.
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On 8/26/2016 1:46 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/26/2016 2:16 PM, Leon wrote:
Whether it can or can not cut through 3/4" material, in one pass, I
would not want it to do so. My concern is if it can make multiple dept
passes in the same place once it cuts through the indexing tape.


I was wondering about that too, even if it did not cut the tape. I think
that would be a really excellent demonstration for them to do: make
three identical passes at different depths and then inspect the edge.
That would be a pretty good test of accuracy.



Mortise and tenon might be a possibility.
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On 8/26/2016 3:16 PM, Leon wrote:
On 8/26/2016 1:46 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/26/2016 2:16 PM, Leon wrote:
Whether it can or can not cut through 3/4" material, in one pass, I
would not want it to do so. My concern is if it can make multiple dept
passes in the same place once it cuts through the indexing tape.


I was wondering about that too, even if it did not cut the tape. I think
that would be a really excellent demonstration for them to do: make
three identical passes at different depths and then inspect the edge.
That would be a pretty good test of accuracy.



Mortise and tenon might be a possibility.


I saw a video where they made box joints. As best I could tell from the
video, they seemed to fit pretty nicely. They first made a jig to hold
the work vertically, protruding through a hole in a flat panel that had
their tape on it.
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On 8/26/2016 1:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/26/2016 11:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw


So at first I thought: it just *shows* you where to cut, but it's
essentially freehand??? But I watched a second video and now I see that
the router mount compensates to keep the router on the proper line.

So here's my next question: Obviously there's a limit to how quickly the
router control mount can react; presumably designed to be faster than
human hands are likely to jerk the tool off-course. But What about
vibration? And, assuming you might want to use something other than
plywood, tougher materials with inconsistencies? Does a 1/4" bit really
go through 3/4 material smoothly enough?

I ask this not to make an argument, but as a real question from someone
whose experience is limited.



Would be nice to find a demo or workshop with someone using it. More
questions can be answered.
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Bow Ties. Figure 8's and Compass ... Inlay might be the big one.
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On 8/26/2016 2:16 PM, Leon wrote:
On 8/26/2016 1:46 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/26/2016 2:16 PM, Leon wrote:
Whether it can or can not cut through 3/4" material, in one pass, I
would not want it to do so. My concern is if it can make multiple dept
passes in the same place once it cuts through the indexing tape.


I was wondering about that too, even if it did not cut the tape. I think
that would be a really excellent demonstration for them to do: make
three identical passes at different depths and then inspect the edge.
That would be a pretty good test of accuracy.



Mortise and tenon might be a possibility.



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On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:47:26 -0400, Meanie
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On 8/26/2016 1:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/26/2016 11:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw


So at first I thought: it just *shows* you where to cut, but it's
essentially freehand??? But I watched a second video and now I see that
the router mount compensates to keep the router on the proper line.

So here's my next question: Obviously there's a limit to how quickly the
router control mount can react; presumably designed to be faster than
human hands are likely to jerk the tool off-course. But What about
vibration? And, assuming you might want to use something other than
plywood, tougher materials with inconsistencies? Does a 1/4" bit really
go through 3/4 material smoothly enough?

I ask this not to make an argument, but as a real question from someone
whose experience is limited.



Would be nice to find a demo or workshop with someone using it. More
questions can be answered.


Sure, but they're only taking pre-orders for delivery a year from now.
I didn't read the whole page but it looked a lot like a crowd-funding
proposal (complete with increasing prices as it went on).
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On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 8:53:15 AM UTC-7, SBH wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw



(1) it requires you have a computer model of your project (good luck
getting it to trim a cabinet to fit against your old plastered wall)

(2) it measures against tapes that you have to buy as supplies, presumably from
the manufacturer (recall cheap printers with pricy ink cartridges?)

(3) it registers on tapes that you apply, presumably they have to be
straight and on a perfectly flat surface? Won't happen outdoors in wind, or
on a jobsite with sawhorses under a sheet of plywood.

(4) not sure how a vision system will work with the sawdust flying everywhere, but
good lighting will have to be part of the solution

Best use of this will take up a big shopspace, and I don't have one. Space, that is (nor tool).
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On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 8:53:15 AM UTC-7, SBH wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw



(1) it requires you have a computer model of your project (good luck
getting it to trim a cabinet to fit against your old plastered wall)


And it will not bake Sunday's dinner.



(2) it measures against tapes that you have to buy as supplies, presumably from
the manufacturer (recall cheap printers with pricy ink cartridges?)


Yes. I recall many making similar comments about the Domino tenons. They
will be expensive. They can be but the smaller ones, the size that I am on
my 3rd case of 1800 dominos, compared closely in cost as biscuits.



(3) it registers on tapes that you apply, presumably they have to be
straight and on a perfectly flat surface? Won't happen outdoors in wind, or
on a jobsite with sawhorses under a sheet of plywood.



Videos reveal tat the tape can be crooked, not parallel to other strips,
and the table does not have to be straight. The unit is mapping the dots
and memorizing where they are.




(4) not sure how a vision system will work with the sawdust flying everywhere, but
good lighting will have to be part of the solution



It does not appear to have had any dust issues in any of the videos that I
watched and there appears to be a shield that will capture the debris an
vent it out to a vac hose.

Best use of this will take up a big shopspace, and I don't have one.
Space, that is (nor tool).


I can see it working out for me on small sections of a project and possibly
save me hours of tedious work with another piece of equipment. I can see
it being great for making groves and rabbets for drawers. Or counter
sinking slots to allow a bolt head and washer to fit below the surface of
the material. Currently I am doing that procedure with a Domino joiner.


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*snip*
Yes. I recall many making similar comments about the Domino tenons.
They will be expensive. They can be but the smaller ones, the size
that I am on my 3rd case of 1800 dominos, compared closely in cost as
biscuits.


*snip*

Off-topic question...

Will the domino cutter work in the middle of a piece of plywood? I'm just
thinking the size of the domino would be about right to cut a slot for a
tortoise switch machine throw wire under a switch without removing it.

I wouldn't buy one for that purpose alone, of course. Just curious if
it'll work.

Puckdropper
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On 8/27/2016 1:47 AM, Leon wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 8:53:15 AM UTC-7, SBH wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw



(1) it requires you have a computer model of your project (good luck
getting it to trim a cabinet to fit against your old plastered wall)


And it will not bake Sunday's dinner.



(2) it measures against tapes that you have to buy as supplies, presumably from
the manufacturer (recall cheap printers with pricy ink cartridges?)


Yes. I recall many making similar comments about the Domino tenons. They
will be expensive. They can be but the smaller ones, the size that I am on
my 3rd case of 1800 dominos, compared closely in cost as biscuits.



(3) it registers on tapes that you apply, presumably they have to be
straight and on a perfectly flat surface? Won't happen outdoors in wind, or
on a jobsite with sawhorses under a sheet of plywood.



Videos reveal tat the tape can be crooked, not parallel to other strips,
and the table does not have to be straight. The unit is mapping the dots
and memorizing where they are.




(4) not sure how a vision system will work with the sawdust flying everywhere, but
good lighting will have to be part of the solution



It does not appear to have had any dust issues in any of the videos that I
watched and there appears to be a shield that will capture the debris an
vent it out to a vac hose.

Best use of this will take up a big shopspace, and I don't have one.
Space, that is (nor tool).


I can see it working out for me on small sections of a project and possibly
save me hours of tedious work with another piece of equipment. I can see
it being great for making groves and rabbets for drawers. Or counter
sinking slots to allow a bolt head and washer to fit below the surface of
the material. Currently I am doing that procedure with a Domino joiner.



It appears to me it would do most of what a regular router would do
without the requirement of guides and templates.


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Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
Leon wrote in
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*snip*
Yes. I recall many making similar comments about the Domino tenons.
They will be expensive. They can be but the smaller ones, the size
that I am on my 3rd case of 1800 dominos, compared closely in cost as
biscuits.


*snip*

Off-topic question...

Will the domino cutter work in the middle of a piece of plywood? I'm just
thinking the size of the domino would be about right to cut a slot for a
tortoise switch machine throw wire under a switch without removing it.

I wouldn't buy one for that purpose alone, of course. Just curious if
it'll work.

Puckdropper


Absolutely, just like a biscuit joiner. You just need to clamp a straight
edge in the appropriate spot and reference off of the bottom of the base of
the machine

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On 8/26/2016 9:29 PM, krw wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:47:26 -0400, Meanie
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On 8/26/2016 1:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/26/2016 11:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw

So at first I thought: it just *shows* you where to cut, but it's
essentially freehand??? But I watched a second video and now I see that
the router mount compensates to keep the router on the proper line.

So here's my next question: Obviously there's a limit to how quickly the
router control mount can react; presumably designed to be faster than
human hands are likely to jerk the tool off-course. But What about
vibration? And, assuming you might want to use something other than
plywood, tougher materials with inconsistencies? Does a 1/4" bit really
go through 3/4 material smoothly enough?

I ask this not to make an argument, but as a real question from someone
whose experience is limited.



Would be nice to find a demo or workshop with someone using it. More
questions can be answered.


Sure, but they're only taking pre-orders for delivery a year from now.
I didn't read the whole page but it looked a lot like a crowd-funding
proposal (complete with increasing prices as it went on).



Did you see that OpenDesk, Autodesk, Rockler and FESTOOL were partners?
Wondering if this will also be offered by Festool or if Festool will be
the manufacturer.

And with better optics the tool may, someday, be able to use the grain
on the wood to map it's location.



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On 8/27/2016 6:17 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 8/27/2016 1:47 AM, Leon wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 8:53:15 AM UTC-7, SBH wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw


(1) it requires you have a computer model of your project (good luck
getting it to trim a cabinet to fit against your old plastered wall)


And it will not bake Sunday's dinner.



(2) it measures against tapes that you have to buy as supplies,
presumably from
the manufacturer (recall cheap printers with pricy ink cartridges?)


Yes. I recall many making similar comments about the Domino tenons. They
will be expensive. They can be but the smaller ones, the size that I
am on
my 3rd case of 1800 dominos, compared closely in cost as biscuits.



(3) it registers on tapes that you apply, presumably they have to be
straight and on a perfectly flat surface? Won't happen outdoors in
wind, or
on a jobsite with sawhorses under a sheet of plywood.



Videos reveal tat the tape can be crooked, not parallel to other strips,
and the table does not have to be straight. The unit is mapping the
dots
and memorizing where they are.




(4) not sure how a vision system will work with the sawdust flying
everywhere, but
good lighting will have to be part of the solution



It does not appear to have had any dust issues in any of the videos
that I
watched and there appears to be a shield that will capture the debris an
vent it out to a vac hose.

Best use of this will take up a big shopspace, and I don't have one.
Space, that is (nor tool).


I can see it working out for me on small sections of a project and
possibly
save me hours of tedious work with another piece of equipment. I can see
it being great for making groves and rabbets for drawers. Or counter
sinking slots to allow a bolt head and washer to fit below the surface of
the material. Currently I am doing that procedure with a Domino joiner.



It appears to me it would do most of what a regular router would do
without the requirement of guides and templates.


Yes, that would be my take too, other than the reference tape.


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On 8/26/2016 9:29 PM, krw wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:47:26 -0400, Meanie
wrote:

On 8/26/2016 1:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/26/2016 11:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw

So at first I thought: it just *shows* you where to cut, but it's
essentially freehand??? But I watched a second video and now I see that
the router mount compensates to keep the router on the proper line.

So here's my next question: Obviously there's a limit to how quickly the
router control mount can react; presumably designed to be faster than
human hands are likely to jerk the tool off-course. But What about
vibration? And, assuming you might want to use something other than
plywood, tougher materials with inconsistencies? Does a 1/4" bit really
go through 3/4 material smoothly enough?

I ask this not to make an argument, but as a real question from someone
whose experience is limited.


Would be nice to find a demo or workshop with someone using it. More
questions can be answered.


Sure, but they're only taking pre-orders for delivery a year from now.
I didn't read the whole page but it looked a lot like a crowd-funding
proposal (complete with increasing prices as it went on).



Did you see that OpenDesk, Autodesk, Rockler and FESTOOL were partners?
Wondering if this will also be offered by Festool or if Festool will be
the manufacturer.


At that price, it ought to be green. ;-)

And with better optics the tool may, someday, be able to use the grain
on the wood to map it's location.


Maybe it could do the cut list, too.
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On 8/27/2016 9:50 AM, krw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 09:47:30 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 8/26/2016 9:29 PM, krw wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:47:26 -0400, Meanie
wrote:

On 8/26/2016 1:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/26/2016 11:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw

So at first I thought: it just *shows* you where to cut, but it's
essentially freehand??? But I watched a second video and now I see that
the router mount compensates to keep the router on the proper line.

So here's my next question: Obviously there's a limit to how quickly the
router control mount can react; presumably designed to be faster than
human hands are likely to jerk the tool off-course. But What about
vibration? And, assuming you might want to use something other than
plywood, tougher materials with inconsistencies? Does a 1/4" bit really
go through 3/4 material smoothly enough?

I ask this not to make an argument, but as a real question from someone
whose experience is limited.


Would be nice to find a demo or workshop with someone using it. More
questions can be answered.

Sure, but they're only taking pre-orders for delivery a year from now.
I didn't read the whole page but it looked a lot like a crowd-funding
proposal (complete with increasing prices as it went on).



Did you see that OpenDesk, Autodesk, Rockler and FESTOOL were partners?
Wondering if this will also be offered by Festool or if Festool will be
the manufacturer.


At that price, it ought to be green. ;-)


Well some of the colors are right. LOL There is black lite grey, and
green on the right control handle. ;~)




And with better optics the tool may, someday, be able to use the grain
on the wood to map it's location.


Maybe it could do the cut list, too.


Probably so and perhaps it does if you use the appropriate CAD software.
Seems Sketchup would be a natural for this application. I use a
plug-in with Sketch up that generates a cut list and also exports in a
format that I use with CutLustPlus.




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Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw




OK. this link below answers several questions.

1. Can you accurately retrace to cut deeper? YES and modify

2. Do you need to draw with a separate CAD program? NO. You can draw
directly on the material and map the drawn lines or probably attach a
drawing to the work and trace the lines on a drawing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmGh...M#t=263.892044
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On 8/27/2016 10:14 AM, Leon wrote:
On 8/26/2016 10:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw




OK. this link below answers several questions.

1. Can you accurately retrace to cut deeper? YES and modify

2. Do you need to draw with a separate CAD program? NO. You can draw
directly on the material and map the drawn lines or probably attach a
drawing to the work and trace the lines on a drawing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmGh...M#t=263.892044



OOPS! Wrong,

Try this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmGhpreQA4M
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On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 4:18:20 AM UTC-7, SBH wrote:

It appears to me it would do most of what a regular router would do
without the requirement of guides and templates.


If the 'requirement of guides and templates' is bothersome, note that
it provides a convenient way to make guides and templates.
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On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 10:47:41 PM UTC-7, Leon wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 8:53:15 AM UTC-7, SBH wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw


(3) it registers on tapes that you apply, presumably they have to be
straight and on a perfectly flat surface? Won't happen outdoors in wind, or
on a jobsite with sawhorses under a sheet of plywood.



Videos reveal tat the tape can be crooked, not parallel to other strips,
and the table does not have to be straight. The unit is mapping the dots
and memorizing where they are.


If the surface isn't flat, the map when viewed from one point will not
conform to the map when viewed from another point, against a model
that infers the X - Y coordinates in a plane from those images.

The vision model uses multiple dots , and it may (or may not) care whether
they are aligned or along a curve; my concern was that a tape pulled taut (in the test)
makes a linear array of those dots, but a gust of wind could disturb the tape
at time of application.
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On 8/27/2016 2:27 PM, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 10:47:41 PM UTC-7, Leon wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 8:53:15 AM UTC-7, SBH wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw


(3) it registers on tapes that you apply, presumably they have to be
straight and on a perfectly flat surface? Won't happen outdoors in wind, or
on a jobsite with sawhorses under a sheet of plywood.



Videos reveal tat the tape can be crooked, not parallel to other strips,
and the table does not have to be straight. The unit is mapping the dots
and memorizing where they are.


If the surface isn't flat, the map when viewed from one point will not
conform to the map when viewed from another point, against a model
that infers the X - Y coordinates in a plane from those images.


Yes, that is to be expected with most any CNC. And I will correct I
mentioned that the table did not have to be straight, I meant to say
that the tape did not have to be straight.





The vision model uses multiple dots , and it may (or may not) care whether
they are aligned or along a curve; my concern was that a tape pulled taut (in the test)
makes a linear array of those dots, but a gust of wind could disturb the tape
at time of application.

I suspect that the tape has an adhesive back and wind should not affect it.


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On 8/27/2016 9:50 AM, krw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 09:47:30 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 8/26/2016 9:29 PM, krw wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:47:26 -0400, Meanie
wrote:

On 8/26/2016 1:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/26/2016 11:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw

So at first I thought: it just *shows* you where to cut, but it's
essentially freehand??? But I watched a second video and now I see that
the router mount compensates to keep the router on the proper line.

So here's my next question: Obviously there's a limit to how quickly the
router control mount can react; presumably designed to be faster than
human hands are likely to jerk the tool off-course. But What about
vibration? And, assuming you might want to use something other than
plywood, tougher materials with inconsistencies? Does a 1/4" bit really
go through 3/4 material smoothly enough?

I ask this not to make an argument, but as a real question from someone
whose experience is limited.


Would be nice to find a demo or workshop with someone using it. More
questions can be answered.

Sure, but they're only taking pre-orders for delivery a year from now.
I didn't read the whole page but it looked a lot like a crowd-funding
proposal (complete with increasing prices as it went on).



Did you see that OpenDesk, Autodesk, Rockler and FESTOOL were partners?
Wondering if this will also be offered by Festool or if Festool will be
the manufacturer.


At that price, it ought to be green. ;-)


Well some of the colors are right. LOL There is black lite grey, and
green on the right control handle. ;~)

$1500 now and deliverable next year, then $2500ish is a little rich
for even me. That's well into stationary tool territory.


And with better optics the tool may, someday, be able to use the grain
on the wood to map it's location.


Maybe it could do the cut list, too.


Probably so and perhaps it does if you use the appropriate CAD software.
Seems Sketchup would be a natural for this application. I use a
plug-in with Sketch up that generates a cut list and also exports in a
format that I use with CutLustPlus.

I agree wrt SU (my first thought when I saw the video) but CutListPlus
assumes full sheets, no? This pup should just see what you've got and
arrange all the pieces for the optimum cuts.
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The Tape is applied to the wood being cut. It isn't just plastic.
It is for the laser to position the work onto the wood and drives
the internal computer to keep you on the internal drawing not one on the
board.

Think painters tape. Snap one on like they did - both ends registration.

If your shop has so much flying about in the air to confuse the laser,
the laser won't locate the work on the wood and you will be dying of
lung issues. So don't sweat it.

Martin

On 8/27/2016 2:27 PM, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 10:47:41 PM UTC-7, Leon wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 8:53:15 AM UTC-7, SBH wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw


(3) it registers on tapes that you apply, presumably they have to be
straight and on a perfectly flat surface? Won't happen outdoors in wind, or
on a jobsite with sawhorses under a sheet of plywood.



Videos reveal tat the tape can be crooked, not parallel to other strips,
and the table does not have to be straight. The unit is mapping the dots
and memorizing where they are.


If the surface isn't flat, the map when viewed from one point will not
conform to the map when viewed from another point, against a model
that infers the X - Y coordinates in a plane from those images.

The vision model uses multiple dots , and it may (or may not) care whether
they are aligned or along a curve; my concern was that a tape pulled taut (in the test)
makes a linear array of those dots, but a gust of wind could disturb the tape
at time of application.

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And now you can put fancy designs into floors and other
materials. Smaller the cutter, the tighter the edges.
Might want to complete with a chisel to make perfect corners
for inserts.

Martin

On 8/27/2016 10:16 AM, Leon wrote:
On 8/27/2016 10:14 AM, Leon wrote:
On 8/26/2016 10:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw




OK. this link below answers several questions.

1. Can you accurately retrace to cut deeper? YES and modify

2. Do you need to draw with a separate CAD program? NO. You can draw
directly on the material and map the drawn lines or probably attach a
drawing to the work and trace the lines on a drawing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmGh...M#t=263.892044



OOPS! Wrong,

Try this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmGhpreQA4M

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On 8/27/2016 6:21 PM, krw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 09:56:34 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 8/27/2016 9:50 AM, krw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 09:47:30 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 8/26/2016 9:29 PM, krw wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:47:26 -0400, Meanie
wrote:

On 8/26/2016 1:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/26/2016 11:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw

So at first I thought: it just *shows* you where to cut, but it's
essentially freehand??? But I watched a second video and now I see that
the router mount compensates to keep the router on the proper line.

So here's my next question: Obviously there's a limit to how quickly the
router control mount can react; presumably designed to be faster than
human hands are likely to jerk the tool off-course. But What about
vibration? And, assuming you might want to use something other than
plywood, tougher materials with inconsistencies? Does a 1/4" bit really
go through 3/4 material smoothly enough?

I ask this not to make an argument, but as a real question from someone
whose experience is limited.


Would be nice to find a demo or workshop with someone using it. More
questions can be answered.

Sure, but they're only taking pre-orders for delivery a year from now.
I didn't read the whole page but it looked a lot like a crowd-funding
proposal (complete with increasing prices as it went on).



Did you see that OpenDesk, Autodesk, Rockler and FESTOOL were partners?
Wondering if this will also be offered by Festool or if Festool will be
the manufacturer.

At that price, it ought to be green. ;-)


Well some of the colors are right. LOL There is black lite grey, and
green on the right control handle. ;~)

$1500 now and deliverable next year, then $2500ish is a little rich
for even me. That's well into stationary tool territory.


Understood but stationary tool in this instance is not a good thing,
IMHO. It being portable is what it makes so useful.





And with better optics the tool may, someday, be able to use the grain
on the wood to map it's location.

Maybe it could do the cut list, too.


Probably so and perhaps it does if you use the appropriate CAD software.
Seems Sketchup would be a natural for this application. I use a
plug-in with Sketch up that generates a cut list and also exports in a
format that I use with CutLustPlus.

I agree wrt SU (my first thought when I saw the video) but CutListPlus
assumes full sheets, no? This pup should just see what you've got and
arrange all the pieces for the optimum cuts.


No, CutList Plus assumes the size of materials in your inventory. I use
CLP more for cutting parts from lumber than sheet goods.
CLP in fact tells me how much lumber, S4S to buy in addition to how many
sheet to buy.



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On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:22:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
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On 8/27/2016 6:21 PM, krw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 09:56:34 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 8/27/2016 9:50 AM, krw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 09:47:30 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 8/26/2016 9:29 PM, krw wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:47:26 -0400, Meanie
wrote:

On 8/26/2016 1:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/26/2016 11:52 AM, Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw

So at first I thought: it just *shows* you where to cut, but it's
essentially freehand??? But I watched a second video and now I see that
the router mount compensates to keep the router on the proper line.

So here's my next question: Obviously there's a limit to how quickly the
router control mount can react; presumably designed to be faster than
human hands are likely to jerk the tool off-course. But What about
vibration? And, assuming you might want to use something other than
plywood, tougher materials with inconsistencies? Does a 1/4" bit really
go through 3/4 material smoothly enough?

I ask this not to make an argument, but as a real question from someone
whose experience is limited.


Would be nice to find a demo or workshop with someone using it. More
questions can be answered.

Sure, but they're only taking pre-orders for delivery a year from now.
I didn't read the whole page but it looked a lot like a crowd-funding
proposal (complete with increasing prices as it went on).



Did you see that OpenDesk, Autodesk, Rockler and FESTOOL were partners?
Wondering if this will also be offered by Festool or if Festool will be
the manufacturer.

At that price, it ought to be green. ;-)

Well some of the colors are right. LOL There is black lite grey, and
green on the right control handle. ;~)

$1500 now and deliverable next year, then $2500ish is a little rich
for even me. That's well into stationary tool territory.


Understood but stationary tool in this instance is not a good thing,
IMHO. It being portable is what it makes so useful.


But it's getting into the CNC router region.




And with better optics the tool may, someday, be able to use the grain
on the wood to map it's location.

Maybe it could do the cut list, too.

Probably so and perhaps it does if you use the appropriate CAD software.
Seems Sketchup would be a natural for this application. I use a
plug-in with Sketch up that generates a cut list and also exports in a
format that I use with CutLustPlus.

I agree wrt SU (my first thought when I saw the video) but CutListPlus
assumes full sheets, no? This pup should just see what you've got and
arrange all the pieces for the optimum cuts.


No, CutList Plus assumes the size of materials in your inventory. I use
CLP more for cutting parts from lumber than sheet goods.
CLP in fact tells me how much lumber, S4S to buy in addition to how many
sheet to buy.

But it doesn't look in your wood pile for an appropriate piece. ;-)


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Meanie wrote:
Anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0clzXWSaCw


Research on their web site FAQ indicates that the marker tape will cost
between $10-$15 per 150' roll, or about 7-10 cents per foot.

The tool is also compatible with Sketchup.

And pre pricing apparently means you get the tool sooner than later at a
reduced price.

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