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never read the reviews on the hf wood glue but others have also
complained about the bottle if they can put the glue in a tube like a toothpaste tube they will have a good product there for smaller jobs still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat titebond has a yellowish look |
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On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 9:32:13 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat I've always asssumed you're not supposed to see any glue or glue lines on a finished project. At least, that's the results I strive for. Sonny |
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Sonny wrote in
: On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 9:32:13 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote: still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat I've always asssumed you're not supposed to see any glue or glue lines on a finished project. At least, that's the results I strive for. Agreed. For two reasons - one being aesthetics, the other being a visible glue line represents a weak joint (the exception being with epoxy, where you actually do want to see a glue line). Apropos of the HF wood glue, judging by the Comet's comments on it's texture and appearance, and the fact HF describes it as "acrylic", I'm guessing it's actually adhesive for engineered wood floors. I looked for the MSDS for the glue (you can often get hints of the actual manufacturer that way), but HF doesn't put them on-line. Perhaps next time Electric Comet is in HF he can ask for one (I beleive they are required by law to supply the MSDS on request). John |
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On 4/28/2016 6:01 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says... Sonny wrote in : On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 9:32:13 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote: [snip] I looked for the MSDS for the glue (you can often get hints of the actual manufacturer that way), but HF doesn't put them on-line. The actual manufacturer is probably the Happy-Lucky Glue Company or some such and the only information you're likely to find that isn't from Harbor Freight will be in Chinese. Perhaps next time Electric Comet is in HF he can ask for one (I beleive they are required by law to supply the MSDS on request). Probably is the Happy-Lucky Glue Company. Just his luck that they happened to get a bad batch of dissidents in that last batch the government gave them. |
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John McCoy wrote:
Sonny wrote in : On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 9:32:13 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote: still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat I've always asssumed you're not supposed to see any glue or glue lines on a finished project. At least, that's the results I strive for. Agreed. For two reasons - one being aesthetics, the other being a visible glue line represents a weak joint (the exception being with epoxy, where you actually do want to see a glue line). Apropos of the HF wood glue, judging by the Comet's comments on it's texture and appearance, and the fact HF describes it as "acrylic", I'm guessing it's actually adhesive for engineered wood floors. I looked for the MSDS for the glue (you can often get hints of the actual manufacturer that way), but HF doesn't put them on-line. Perhaps next time Electric Comet is in HF he can ask for one (I beleive they are required by law to supply the MSDS on request). John It appears to be pretty harmless stuff. http://www.titebond.com/ProductMSDSS...c-b53970f736af |
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Spalted Walt wrote in
: John McCoy wrote: I looked for the MSDS for the glue (you can often get hints of the actual manufacturer that way), but HF doesn't put them on-line. Perhaps next time Electric Comet is in HF he can ask for one (I beleive they are required by law to supply the MSDS on request). It appears to be pretty harmless stuff. http://www.titebond.com/ProductMSDSS...B1=Submit&MSDS _Prod=e8d40b45-0ab3-49f7-8a9c-b53970f736af Why do you beleive Franklin International is the manufacturer of Harbor Freight's glue? I hadn't seen that, is it noted somewhere that I missed? John |
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John McCoy wrote:
Spalted Walt wrote in : John McCoy wrote: I looked for the MSDS for the glue (you can often get hints of the actual manufacturer that way), but HF doesn't put them on-line. Perhaps next time Electric Comet is in HF he can ask for one (I beleive they are required by law to supply the MSDS on request). It appears to be pretty harmless stuff. http://www.titebond.com/ProductMSDSS...B1=Submit&MSDS _Prod=e8d40b45-0ab3-49f7-8a9c-b53970f736af Why do you beleive Franklin International is the manufacturer of Harbor Freight's glue? I hadn't seen that, is it noted somewhere that I missed? John It's in the actual HF URL: titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue http://www.harborfreight.com/titebon...-oz-91768.html |
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On 2016-04-28, Spalted Walt wrote:
It's in the actual HF URL: titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue A URL means zip. They coulda put "zombie-proof" in the URL and it still woulda meant nada. The telling feature I see is, HF glue admits to being an "acrylic base", while relegating other glues to "polyurethane" based. I tried digging down, but I flunked chemistry. 8| nb |
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notbob wrote:
A URL means zip. Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree. How long do you think Dewalt would allow HF this infringement? dewalt-709-double-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw to point to their cheap SCMS http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-d...tem-61969.html |
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Spalted Walt wrote in
: notbob wrote: A URL means zip. Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree. I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand is "HFT"). Compare with their page for Gorilla Glue, which uses the actual Gorilla Glue name and logo, and does not say the brand is "HFT". John |
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Spalted Walt wrote:
Why do you beleive Franklin International is the manufacturer of Harbor Freight's glue? I hadn't seen that, is it noted somewhere that I missed? John It's in the actual HF URL: titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue http://www.harborfreight.com/titebon...-oz-91768.html https://trademarks.justia.com/765/78...-76578574.html |
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On 2016-04-28, Spalted Walt wrote:
notbob wrote: A URL means zip. Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree. How long do you think Dewalt would allow HF this infringement? dewalt-709-double-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw to point to their cheap SCMS http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-d...tem-61969.html Why are you telling me!? You should probably be telling Franklin International. BTW, ever heard of a "generecized" trademark? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark nb |
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John McCoy wrote:
Spalted Walt wrote in : notbob wrote: A URL means zip. Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree. I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand is "HFT"). HF has been using that "titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue" URL for almost 5 years: Sep 20, 2011 http://web.archive.org/web/201109202...-oz-91768.html |
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On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 11:54:37 AM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:
Spalted Walt wrote in : notbob wrote: A URL means zip. Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree. I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand is "HFT"). ....snip... Actually, a search on their website for titebond leads you to a page that leads you to the page with titebond in the URL. http://www.harborfreight.com/catalog...ult?q=titebond So that means that they have associated that product with the word titebond in their search database. I don't know if that's worth anything, I'm just tossing it out there. |
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notbob wrote:
On 2016-04-28, Spalted Walt wrote: notbob wrote: A URL means zip. Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree. How long do you think Dewalt would allow HF this infringement? dewalt-709-double-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw to point to their cheap SCMS http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-d...tem-61969.html Why are you telling me!? 1) Because you were wrong You should probably be telling Franklin International. Why? I'm quite sure they're aware. BTW, ever heard of a "generecized" trademark? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark See 1) above O_o |
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On 2016-04-28, Spalted Walt wrote:
notbob wrote: Why are you telling me!? 1) Because you were wrong You should probably be telling Franklin International. Why? I'm quite sure they're aware. BTW, ever heard of a "generecized" trademark? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark See 1) above O_o Let me see if I have this straight. 1) HF uses Franklins brand name in their URL 2) Franklin has known this fer 5 yrs 3) It's not really Titebond glue 4) I'm wrong. Hey, whatever floats yer boat. BTW, what's wrong with yer eye? nb |
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notbob wrote:
Let me see if I have this straight. 1) HF uses Franklins brand name in their URL 2) Franklin has known this fer 5 yrs 3) It's not really Titebond glue 4) I'm wrong. Yes, yer wrong 'bout 3) BTW, what's wrong with yer eye? ^_^ moe better? |
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John McCoy wrote:
Spalted Walt wrote in : notbob wrote: A URL means zip. Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree. I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand is "HFT"). One possibility is HF has a business agreement with Franklin International to buy and repackage/rebrand TBIII factory 'seconds' and/or unsold product that was at or near expiration date. Hence the "too thick to flow" complaints. |
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On 4/28/2016 11:11 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
John McCoy wrote: Spalted Walt wrote in : notbob wrote: A URL means zip. Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree. I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand is "HFT"). HF has been using that "titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue" URL for almost 5 years: Sep 20, 2011 http://web.archive.org/web/201109202...-oz-91768.html So that if you are actually looking for TB III a search engine will include the HF crap. It is a redirect ploy. |
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Spalted Walt wrote in
: One possibility is HF has a business agreement with Franklin International to buy and repackage/rebrand TBIII factory 'seconds' and/or unsold product that was at or near expiration date. Hence the "too thick to flow" complaints. Could well be. In which case they likely have some agreement, even if just a handshake, allowing them to call it "titebond style" or something like that. The MSDS for "HFT" glue, if it was available, would probably tell us the actual manufacturer. And if it was Franklin International, we could assume it was Titebond that was in some way out-of-spec. John |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
On 4/28/2016 11:11 AM, Spalted Walt wrote: John McCoy wrote: Spalted Walt wrote in : notbob wrote: A URL means zip. Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree. I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand is "HFT"). HF has been using that "titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue" URL for almost 5 years: Sep 20, 2011 http://web.archive.org/web/201109202...-oz-91768.html So that if you are actually looking for TB III a search engine will include the HF crap. It is a redirect ploy. You'd think that would indeed be the reason. If it was, it is an EPIC failure because if you Google "titebond iii ultimate wood glue" or just "titebond iii" , either with or without the quotes, I don't think you'll see a single HF link. |
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On 4/28/2016 1:52 PM, John McCoy wrote:
Spalted Walt wrote in : One possibility is HF has a business agreement with Franklin International to buy and repackage/rebrand TBIII factory 'seconds' and/or unsold product that was at or near expiration date. Hence the "too thick to flow" complaints. Could well be. In which case they likely have some agreement, even if just a handshake, allowing them to call it "titebond style" or something like that. Or too much trouble to go after them since the product does not say anything about TBIII. so what if a link directs you to a different brand product. |
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:29:32 -0700
Electric Comet wrote: never read the reviews on the hf wood glue but others have also complained about the bottle in all the reviews no one marked the bottle as a con are people so afraid of the truth now that they censor themselves about a bottle og glue you will end of with carpel tunnel syndrome trying to use this bottle i use a small ratchet style clamp to squeeze out the glue pop the quick release and no problem |
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On 4/28/2016 2:05 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/28/2016 11:11 AM, Spalted Walt wrote: John McCoy wrote: Spalted Walt wrote in : notbob wrote: A URL means zip. Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree. I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand is "HFT"). HF has been using that "titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue" URL for almost 5 years: Sep 20, 2011 http://web.archive.org/web/201109202...-oz-91768.html So that if you are actually looking for TB III a search engine will include the HF crap. It is a redirect ploy. You'd think that would indeed be the reason. If it was, it is an EPIC failure because if you Google "titebond iii ultimate wood glue" or just "titebond iii" , either with or without the quotes, I don't think you'll see a single HF link. No but I googled Titebond iii glue and actually did see a link to a web site that offered other adhesives but no Titebond iii. I got this as second suggestion http://www.caulkyourhome.com/product...ol ored_Broad and this http://www.mscdirect.com/products/lo...=12465 880692 and this http://www.staples.com/Dot+Shot/dire...ro_glue:164978 Search engines will focus on all or any one word in the search description. If you put in glue or adhesive along with titebond III you get lots of other hits. With adhesive instead of glue I got this at the top. https://www.mydenturecare.com/en-us/...0Mrg&gclsrc=ds And a little farther down, http://www.walmart.com/search/search...607075&veh=sem |
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On 4/28/2016 4:05 PM, Leon wrote:
On 4/28/2016 2:05 PM, Spalted Walt wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/28/2016 11:11 AM, Spalted Walt wrote: John McCoy wrote: Spalted Walt wrote in : notbob wrote: A URL means zip. Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree. I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand is "HFT"). HF has been using that "titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue" URL for almost 5 years: Sep 20, 2011 http://web.archive.org/web/201109202...-oz-91768.html So that if you are actually looking for TB III a search engine will include the HF crap. It is a redirect ploy. You'd think that would indeed be the reason. If it was, it is an EPIC failure because if you Google "titebond iii ultimate wood glue" or just "titebond iii" , either with or without the quotes, I don't think you'll see a single HF link. And for what it is worth, I went to the HF site and searched Probond glue, and Elmer's wood glue Here is the result. http://www.harborfreight.com/catalog...q=probond+glue |
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On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 5:16:04 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/28/2016 4:05 PM, Leon wrote: On 4/28/2016 2:05 PM, Spalted Walt wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/28/2016 11:11 AM, Spalted Walt wrote: John McCoy wrote: Spalted Walt wrote in : notbob wrote: A URL means zip. Try telling that to Trademark holders. I think they would *strongly* disagree. I think it's more likely that the trademark holder hasn't noticed yet, than that the glue is actually Titebond. The only place "titebond" appears is in the URL, they don't reference anywhere on the actual page (which says the brand is "HFT"). HF has been using that "titebond-iii-ultimate-wood-glue" URL for almost 5 years: Sep 20, 2011 http://web.archive.org/web/201109202...-oz-91768.html So that if you are actually looking for TB III a search engine will include the HF crap. It is a redirect ploy. You'd think that would indeed be the reason. If it was, it is an EPIC failure because if you Google "titebond iii ultimate wood glue" or just "titebond iii" , either with or without the quotes, I don't think you'll see a single HF link. And for what it is worth, I went to the HF site and searched Probond glue, and Elmer's wood glue Here is the result. http://www.harborfreight.com/catalog...q=probond+glue It's interesting that probond returns 0 matches, yet titebond returns 1. http://www.harborfreight.com/catalog...ult?q=titebond Maybe the builder of the search database assumed more people are familiar with the titebond brand vs. the probond. |
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Electric Comet wrote in news:nftn98$hcd$6
@dont-email.me: On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:29:32 -0700 Electric Comet wrote: never read the reviews on the hf wood glue but others have also complained about the bottle in all the reviews no one marked the bottle as a con How now? In the "Cons" I see: "Hard to get out" "Hard to dispense" "Bottle cap design" "Poor container" And of course the review text is full of "won't go thru the cap" type comments. John |
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"J. Clarke" wrote:
In article , says... notbob wrote: Let me see if I have this straight. 1) HF uses Franklins brand name in their URL 2) Franklin has known this fer 5 yrs 3) It's not really Titebond glue 4) I'm wrong. Yes, yer wrong 'bout 3) You have of course obtained confirmation from the manufacturer of Titebond that the glue in question is in fact Titebond III, even though Harbor Freight claims it is "acrylic" and Titebond is not acrylic? http://link.springer.com/chapter/10....4-009-1195-6_6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylate_polymer http://www.astm.org/DIGITAL_LIBRARY/.../MNL12186M.htm HTH |
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Electric Comet wrote in news:nfqias$hvv$2
@dont-email.me: never read the reviews on the hf wood glue but others have also complained about the bottle if they can put the glue in a tube like a toothpaste tube they will have a good product there for smaller jobs still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat titebond has a yellowish look I was at a HF today, and out of curiousity popped the cap off the bottle. It kinda looks like Tacky Glue, but may not be tacky. (I didn't touch the glue.) It's in a similar bottle to Tacky Glue too. Is the HF glue actually tacky? Puckdropper |
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On 4/28/2016 10:05 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
Electric Comet wrote in news:nfqias$hvv$2 @dont-email.me: never read the reviews on the hf wood glue but others have also complained about the bottle if they can put the glue in a tube like a toothpaste tube they will have a good product there for smaller jobs still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat titebond has a yellowish look I was at a HF today, and out of curiousity popped the cap off the bottle. It kinda looks like Tacky Glue, but may not be tacky. (I didn't touch the glue.) It's in a similar bottle to Tacky Glue too. Is the HF glue actually tacky? Puckdropper Almost everything at HF is tacky. ;~) |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
Is the HF glue actually tacky? Puckdropper Almost everything at HF is tacky. ;~) +1 Excellent! |
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On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 8:53:10 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/28/2016 10:05 PM, Puckdropper wrote: Electric Comet wrote in news:nfqias$hvv$2 @dont-email.me: never read the reviews on the hf wood glue but others have also complained about the bottle if they can put the glue in a tube like a toothpaste tube they will have a good product there for smaller jobs still have not seen how the glue looks when using a clear coat titebond has a yellowish look I was at a HF today, and out of curiousity popped the cap off the bottle. It kinda looks like Tacky Glue, but may not be tacky. (I didn't touch the glue.) It's in a similar bottle to Tacky Glue too. Is the HF glue actually tacky? Puckdropper Almost everything at HF is tacky. ;~) That's why they sell these... http://www.harborfreight.com/7-oz-ta...ead-67715.html |
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J. Clarke" wrote:
http://link.springer.com/chapter/10....4-009-1195-6_6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylate_polymer http://www.astm.org/DIGITAL_LIBRARY/.../MNL12186M.htm Yes, laddie, there is such a thing as acrylic adhesive. There are also urethanes, silicones, urea-formaldehydes, resorcinol, epoxies, caseinates, polysulfides, and a whole large range of others. What of it? HF = Acrylic Polymer = EZ WATER CLEANUP TBIII = Acrylic Polymer = EZ WATER CLEANUP ------------------------------------------ Your turn... |
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says... J. Clarke" wrote: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10....4-009-1195-6_6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylate_polymer http://www.astm.org/DIGITAL_LIBRARY/.../MNL12186M.htm Yes, laddie, there is such a thing as acrylic adhesive. There are also urethanes, silicones, urea-formaldehydes, resorcinol, epoxies, caseinates, polysulfides, and a whole large range of others. What of it? HF = Acrylic Polymer = EZ WATER CLEANUP TBIII = Acrylic Polymer = EZ WATER CLEANUP ------------------------------------------ Your turn... What, you think the only kind of glue with "EZ water cleanup" is acrylic? And you think that acrylic automatically impiies "EZ water cleanup"? Squirt some methyl methacrylate in your eyes and see how EZ it cleans up with water. Look, I don't know what your area of expertise might be, but it clearly isn't adhesives and the next dumb-ass remark you make on this thread puts you in my killfile. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote:
What, you think It is preferential to refrain from the utilization of sesquipedalian verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualization can be verbalized using comparatively simplistic lexicographical entities. PLONK! Welcome to my BOZO bin! |
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On 4/30/2016 9:02 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says... "J. Clarke" wrote: What, you think It is preferential to refrain from the utilization of sesquipedalian verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualization can be verbalized using comparatively simplistic lexicographical entities. In other words you don't think, you just make noise. He plonked you, He can't see you. |
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