Trying my hand at the repair of an Amish made wooden stool for a friend.
Two years ago, one of the rungs broke out so I turned a replacement and
put it back with some good old yellow glue.

Now the rung on the other side of the stool has broken. Turned another
one and then noticed something I didn't while doing the repair last
time. Every rung and legs has a Kreg screw angled into the joint from
the bottom. I removed the screws and found all but one were broken. I
think they did more damage to the joints than they helped. Stool came
apart rather easily at this point. I've cleaned up the rungs and legs
as well as the matching sockets.

So, two questions. Would you use good old yellow glue or would something
else be better suited? Screws or no screws? Thanks in advance for the
wisdom.

On 11/23/2014 7:47 PM, Bruce Kaatz wrote:
Trying my hand at the repair of an Amish made wooden stool for a friend.
Two years ago, one of the rungs broke out so I turned a replacement and
put it back with some good old yellow glue.

Now the rung on the other side of the stool has broken. Turned another
one and then noticed something I didn't while doing the repair last
time. Every rung and legs has a Kreg screw angled into the joint from
the bottom. I removed the screws and found all but one were broken. I
think they did more damage to the joints than they helped. Stool came
apart rather easily at this point. I've cleaned up the rungs and legs
as well as the matching sockets.

So, two questions. Would you use good old yellow glue or would something
else be better suited? Screws or no screws? Thanks in advance for the
wisdom.


I doubt it's Amish made, I don't think they would use screws.
No screws.

--
Jeff

woodchucker wrote:
On 11/23/2014 7:47 PM, Bruce Kaatz wrote:
Trying my hand at the repair of an Amish made wooden stool for a friend.
Two years ago, one of the rungs broke out so I turned a replacement and
put it back with some good old yellow glue.

Now the rung on the other side of the stool has broken. Turned another
one and then noticed something I didn't while doing the repair last
time. Every rung and legs has a Kreg screw angled into the joint from
the bottom. I removed the screws and found all but one were broken. I
think they did more damage to the joints than they helped. Stool came
apart rather easily at this point. I've cleaned up the rungs and legs
as well as the matching sockets.

So, two questions. Would you use good old yellow glue or would something
else be better suited? Screws or no screws? Thanks in advance for the
wisdom.


I doubt it's Amish made, I don't think they would use screws.
No screws.


I have Amish made furniture. They absolutely use screws and like anything
else Amish furniture ranges from high quality to not so good.

"Bruce Kaatz" wrote:

Trying my hand at the repair of an Amish made wooden stool for a
friend.
Two years ago, one of the rungs broke out so I turned a replacement
and
put it back with some good old yellow glue.

Now the rung on the other side of the stool has broken. Turned
another
one and then noticed something I didn't while doing the repair last
time. Every rung and legs has a Kreg screw angled into the joint
from
the bottom. I removed the screws and found all but one were broken.
I
think they did more damage to the joints than they helped. Stool
came
apart rather easily at this point. I've cleaned up the rungs and
legs
as well as the matching sockets.

So, two questions. Would you use good old yellow glue or would
something
else be better suited? Screws or no screws? Thanks in advance for
the
wisdom.
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Using screws would not be my choice.

If you plan on rebuilding again in a few years, then use hyde glue.

If you want to do it once and forget it, then use epoxy thickened
with microballoons.


Lew

On 11/23/2014 7:47 PM, Bruce Kaatz wrote:

So, two questions. Would you use good old yellow glue or would something
else be better suited? Screws or no screws? Thanks in advance for the
wisdom.


You are right in thinking that the screw probably did more damage than
good. Yellow wood glue will be just fine. Clean off all traces of the
old glue, wet the joint well with new glue, and clamp it up. Don't
reinstall the screw. While the joint is clamped up you can fill the old
screw hole. I've done hundreds of institutional furniture repairs this
way, and if done well, it's a permanent fix.

The screws would have been used by the manufacturer in place of clamps
only in order to speed production, and no longer serves any purpose.

JP
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On 11/23/2014 7:47 PM, Bruce Kaatz wrote:

So, two questions. Would you use good old yellow glue or would something
else be better suited? Screws or no screws? Thanks in advance for the
wisdom.


You are right in thinking that the screw probably did more damage than
good. Yellow wood glue will be just fine. Clean off all traces of the
old glue, wet the joint well with new glue, and clamp it up. Don't
reinstall the screw. While the joint is clamped up you can fill the old
screw hole. I've done hundreds of institutional furniture repairs this
way, and if done well, it's a permanent fix.

The screws would have been used by the manufacturer in place of clamps
only in order to speed production, and no longer serves any purpose.

************
I am getting ready to do a stool like yours.

I plan to judge how much extra room inside the joint, and use a saw to make
a cut in the end of the tenion, all most to the exposed portion. Then take
and make a wedge to fit in the cut that when pushed just flush with the end,
will cause the tenion to expand enough to tighten up. When you clamp the
crosspieces in with the splits and wedges, it forces the wedge in and
tightens the joint. Of course, use carpenters glue and clean off the old
first.

-- Jim in NC


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On 11/23/2014 10:54 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Bruce Kaatz" wrote:

Trying my hand at the repair of an Amish made wooden stool for a
friend.
Two years ago, one of the rungs broke out so I turned a replacement
and
put it back with some good old yellow glue.

Now the rung on the other side of the stool has broken. Turned
another
one and then noticed something I didn't while doing the repair last
time. Every rung and legs has a Kreg screw angled into the joint
from
the bottom. I removed the screws and found all but one were broken.
I
think they did more damage to the joints than they helped. Stool
came
apart rather easily at this point. I've cleaned up the rungs and
legs
as well as the matching sockets.

So, two questions. Would you use good old yellow glue or would
something
else be better suited? Screws or no screws? Thanks in advance for
the
wisdom.
-------------------------------------------------
Using screws would not be my choice.

If you plan on rebuilding again in a few years, then use hyde glue.

If you want to do it once and forget it, then use epoxy thickened
with microballoons.


Lew


I agree with the Epoxy if the rungs are not wood. But if a rung is
broken by some one standing one it is going to be a tough repair.
Joints are not the only reason that something has to be repaired.

snips


The screws would have been used by the manufacturer in place of clamps
only in order to speed production, and no longer serves any purpose.
JP


Yep - or by a previous repair effort ..
John T.


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So, two questions. Would you use good old yellow glue or would something
else be better suited? Screws or no screws? Thanks in advance for the
wisdom.

Thanks for the advice. Confirmed my thinking as to the screws. Like the
idea of epoxy, but since this is the second rung I've had to replace, I had
better not go that route. Looked at this stools sister and it was also
assembled with screws - and guessing they did serve the purpose of clamps.
I'll ask the Amish family next time I go and get wood and see what they
say.

On 11/25/2014 7:55 PM, Bruce Kaatz wrote:
So, two questions. Would you use good old yellow glue or would something
else be better suited? Screws or no screws? Thanks in advance for the
wisdom.

Thanks for the advice. Confirmed my thinking as to the screws. Like the
idea of epoxy, but since this is the second rung I've had to replace, I had
better not go that route. Looked at this stools sister and it was also
assembled with screws - and guessing they did serve the purpose of clamps.
I'll ask the Amish family next time I go and get wood and see what they
say.



Just a thought here, not all Amish are wood working experts. I would
not assume they know squat about furniture.

Looked at this stools
sister and it was also assembled with screws - and guessing they did
serve the purpose of clamps. I'll ask the Amish family next time I go
and get wood and see what they say.



Just a thought here, not all Amish are wood working experts. I would
not assume they know squat about furniture.

How very true, Leon. This family usually builds dining room tables - and
they do great work. As I've never seen them do any sort of seating
furniture, I'm betting they get the chairs and stools from someone else.
Looking forward to the visit to learn a bit about their business model and
outsourcing.

"Bruce Kaatz" wrote:

I'll ask the Amish family next time I go
and get wood and see what they say.
snip

Looking forward to the visit to learn a bit about their business
model and
outsourcing.
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Lots of Amish in the furniture building business including some
just a few miles from where I grew up.

Just curious, where is this group located.

Lew

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"Bruce Kaatz" wrote:

I'll ask the Amish family next time I go
and get wood and see what they say.
snip

Looking forward to the visit to learn a bit about their business
model and
outsourcing.
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Lots of Amish in the furniture building business including some
just a few miles from where I grew up.

Just curious, where is this group located.

Lew




West central Wisconsin. There are several different "settlements", if I
recall the term correctly, in western Wisconsin and those settlements
are made up of districts with groups of families. In our immediate area
their local Bishop seems to hold sway over what sort of industry a
family participates in.

My Amish friends family does primarily dining tables. Two farms down
the road is an sawmill (mostly red oak and pine) and next door to the
mill is a family that runs a wood kiln. Other familys up and down the
road build other sorts of furniture and craft items. If you choose to
buy direct from them in our part of the state it is a bit of a treasure
hunt to find who makes what - but makes for an interesting adventure.
That being said, most of our local Amish sell at "wholesale" to a couple
of retail outfits that in turn sell to the "English" - both locals and
tourists. Some won't sell their goods out of the shop at all.

Interesting folks to deal with and all have been very fair and honest in
my experience. I've always received more lumber than I've purchased -
I've heard "wouldn't want to cheat you" every time I purchase - and 10%
extra seems to be the norm. I never get that at a big box store.
grin

"Bruce Kaatz" wrote:

Interesting folks to deal with and all have been very fair and
honest in
my experience. I've always received more lumber than I've
purchased -
I've heard "wouldn't want to cheat you" every time I purchase - and
10%
extra seems to be the norm. I never get that at a big box store.
grin
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My boss once had a house built by the Amish.

Father and sons.

Guy would NOT quote a price, only worked by the hour.

Pay as you go.

My boss said he got a fair deal when all was said and done.

Since they used NO power tools, they didn't have to wait until
the electric company spotted a pole and pulled in power like my
dad did when he had a house built.

Lew

My boss once had a house built by the Amish.

Father and sons.

Guy would NOT quote a price, only worked by the hour.

Pay as you go.

My boss said he got a fair deal when all was said and done.

Since they used NO power tools, they didn't have to wait until
the electric company spotted a pole and pulled in power like my
dad did when he had a house built.

Lew

Was getting lumber a few years ago and a semitruck brought them a load of
hard maple from someplace up in Canada. My Amish friend paid the driver
with cash, a huge stack of100 dollar bills. Driver counted it and wrote
out a recipt and headed out (for a bank I'm guessing). My Amish friend
commented after he left, "I don't think he thought I was honest, he counted
all the money." I got a chuckle out of that. Usually when I pay him, he
just tucks the money in his center desk drawer - without counting, unless I
insist.