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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
I have not really noticed another new, country of origin, playing a
major roll in things we buy for our shops but Vietnam is here and from what I see the quality is pretty good, maybe pretty darn good. Ten or twelve years ago I was looking at larger stacked tool chests, 40+" wide and because they were north of a thousand dollars I built my own and it has served me very well. Recently I have noticed HD selling Milwaukee stacked tool chests and I have to do the touchy feely thing every time I am in the store. Anyway my son and his girlfriend are renovating the guest bathroom in his house and he has been borrowing tools, not a problem at all. BUT he has been collecting his own tools and so far their storage location is on the garage floor around his small 2 drawer tool box. His birthday is this week and my wife suggested getting him a nice tool so that he does not have to borrow one of mine and I thought that was a good idea but then I pictured yet more garage floor space being used up increasing the tripping hazard. His significant other has mention this and told him that she will not be happy if she trips and falls. ;~) Soooo I decided a real tool chest was in order instead of another tool and the Milwaukee came into mind and that is what we got him. In particular this is the one we got for him. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...8530/206696101 These two units weigh in at 300 lbs and I ended up moving the two boxed units two times, From the store to my garage and then to his garage, I was a little fearful about all the loading and unloading and the damage that might result. He and I wrestled the bottom cabinet to the garage floor and began the opening ceremony. He showed me how to break the welds on the fiberglass reinforced straps, that hold all of the pieces of the carton together, very easily with his fingers. I had always used a pocket knife. So the straps come off and the top lifts off. We see the typical paper product corner reinforcements that run down each corner and we see these also on the 4 top sides and IIRC 4 bottom sides. These angle pieces are solid multi layers of paper product with no corrugation, these things are strong. Next the molded Styrofoam top cover comes off as well as the four Styrofoam side panels around the perimeter. At this point the outer cardboard box is easily lifted out of the bottom tray and the plastic cover can now be removed. The shipping container was a work of art. The top box packaging was the same. No dents, no dings, no buckled corners and no scratched paint anywhere. Perfect! Assembly was also a no brainer. While there was an instruction booklet, and it was well written, you really did not need it. Assembly involved bolting on the huge casters, lower box pull handle, cord storage brackets and braces to keep the top box in place on top of the bottom box. A wrench was included to bolt the casters on and I will say it was pretty cheap so we resorted to using a 1/2" socket to tighten the caster bolts. Every bolt/screw attachment on the boxes screwed directly into threaded steel and welded nuts. The casters bolted directly into what appeared to be 4 pieces of 1/4 angle iron. Every threaded hole was precisely where it should be and there was no need to pry or force any bolts or screws. What a delight, both my son and I were amazed. So the features of the box, red wrinkle paint on the boxes and smooth black drawers. Steel peg board on the back top of the top box, soft close full extension ball bearing slides, 100 lb rated. A circuit breaker protected built in power outlet with 4~5 outlets, a hinged work surface on the top of the top box bottom drawer, lite duty only, put your lap top in there and that drawer is individually lockable by it self. The 5"x2" HD casters are rated for 1,800 lbs and have a great set of levers to lock and unlock the break, the levers are side by side and you simply push down on the lock or unlock lever. The top box has a clam shell type lid with gas struts and with no front lip so that you can see every thing with out having to look up and over. So I was impressed as was my son. FWIW DeWalt and Porter Cable offer similar style boxes in brand appropriate colors, YELLOW and grey. If this is any indication of the quality that we will be seeing coming out of Vietnam the Chinese will have to step up their game in a big way. We looked at Harbor Freight first and saw a similar cheaply built top and bottom box for $150 less. Not at all worth the $150 savings IMHO. I will probably replace my 30 year old 26" Craftsman with the 46" Milwaukee sooner than later. The Craftsman had dents straight out of the box when I bought it and it did not do well when we moved it from our old house to the new house 5 years ago. |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
On 8/21/2016 11:07 AM, Leon wrote:
If this is any indication of the quality that we will be seeing coming out of Vietnam the Chinese will have to step up their game in a big way. Intimately familiar with the general mindset of the Vietnamese, having lived with them for months, as the only "round eye" dodging bullets alongside them. Respect and fondness for those on our side, and a grudging respect for those on the opposite side. Given a choice I'd much prefer to do business with the average Vietnamese individual than the Chinese. Damned shame we had to leave so many behind who were dedicated, proven friends. Those who have made it over here to Texas have made good citizens. Have a lot of respect for Hubert Vo, in the Texas House, who's a personal acquaintance/local businessman, despite him being a Democrat. -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://www.google.com/+eWoodShop https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ https://www.facebook.com/eWoodShop-206166666122228 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 13:59:48 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 8/21/2016 11:07 AM, Leon wrote: If this is any indication of the quality that we will be seeing coming out of Vietnam the Chinese will have to step up their game in a big way. Intimately familiar with the general mindset of the Vietnamese, having lived with them for months, as the only "round eye" dodging bullets alongside them. Respect and fondness for those on our side, and a grudging respect for those on the opposite side. Given a choice I'd much prefer to do business with the average Vietnamese individual than the Chinese. Damned shame we had to leave so many behind who were dedicated, proven friends. Those who have made it over here to Texas have made good citizens. Have a lot of respect for Hubert Vo, in the Texas House, who's a personal acquaintance/local businessman, despite him being a Democrat. For the most part I agree with you on this. Yet it all brings back bad memories, and most of those memories were caused by our own government. I have friends who part of their families went to France, and others here, with some still in their homeland. What a network of people, especially in international business, very enterprising and supportive of family. |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:07:50 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: I have not really noticed another new, country of origin, playing a major roll in things we buy for our shops but Vietnam is here and from what I see the quality is pretty good, maybe pretty darn good. Ten or twelve years ago I was looking at larger stacked tool chests, 40+" wide and because they were north of a thousand dollars I built my own and it has served me very well. Recently I have noticed HD selling Milwaukee stacked tool chests and I have to do the touchy feely thing every time I am in the store. Anyway my son and his girlfriend are renovating the guest bathroom in his house and he has been borrowing tools, not a problem at all. BUT he has been collecting his own tools and so far their storage location is on the garage floor around his small 2 drawer tool box. His birthday is this week and my wife suggested getting him a nice tool so that he does not have to borrow one of mine and I thought that was a good idea but then I pictured yet more garage floor space being used up increasing the tripping hazard. His significant other has mention this and told him that she will not be happy if she trips and falls. ;~) Soooo I decided a real tool chest was in order instead of another tool and the Milwaukee came into mind and that is what we got him. In particular this is the one we got for him. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...8530/206696101 These two units weigh in at 300 lbs and I ended up moving the two boxed units two times, From the store to my garage and then to his garage, I was a little fearful about all the loading and unloading and the damage that might result. He and I wrestled the bottom cabinet to the garage floor and began the opening ceremony. He showed me how to break the welds on the fiberglass reinforced straps, that hold all of the pieces of the carton together, very easily with his fingers. I had always used a pocket knife. So the straps come off and the top lifts off. We see the typical paper product corner reinforcements that run down each corner and we see these also on the 4 top sides and IIRC 4 bottom sides. These angle pieces are solid multi layers of paper product with no corrugation, these things are strong. Next the molded Styrofoam top cover comes off as well as the four Styrofoam side panels around the perimeter. At this point the outer cardboard box is easily lifted out of the bottom tray and the plastic cover can now be removed. The shipping container was a work of art. The top box packaging was the same. No dents, no dings, no buckled corners and no scratched paint anywhere. Perfect! Assembly was also a no brainer. While there was an instruction booklet, and it was well written, you really did not need it. Assembly involved bolting on the huge casters, lower box pull handle, cord storage brackets and braces to keep the top box in place on top of the bottom box. A wrench was included to bolt the casters on and I will say it was pretty cheap so we resorted to using a 1/2" socket to tighten the caster bolts. Every bolt/screw attachment on the boxes screwed directly into threaded steel and welded nuts. The casters bolted directly into what appeared to be 4 pieces of 1/4 angle iron. Every threaded hole was precisely where it should be and there was no need to pry or force any bolts or screws. What a delight, both my son and I were amazed. So the features of the box, red wrinkle paint on the boxes and smooth black drawers. Steel peg board on the back top of the top box, soft close full extension ball bearing slides, 100 lb rated. A circuit breaker protected built in power outlet with 4~5 outlets, a hinged work surface on the top of the top box bottom drawer, lite duty only, put your lap top in there and that drawer is individually lockable by it self. The 5"x2" HD casters are rated for 1,800 lbs and have a great set of levers to lock and unlock the break, the levers are side by side and you simply push down on the lock or unlock lever. The top box has a clam shell type lid with gas struts and with no front lip so that you can see every thing with out having to look up and over. So I was impressed as was my son. FWIW DeWalt and Porter Cable offer similar style boxes in brand appropriate colors, YELLOW and grey. If this is any indication of the quality that we will be seeing coming out of Vietnam the Chinese will have to step up their game in a big way. We looked at Harbor Freight first and saw a similar cheaply built top and bottom box for $150 less. Not at all worth the $150 savings IMHO. I will probably replace my 30 year old 26" Craftsman with the 46" Milwaukee sooner than later. The Craftsman had dents straight out of the box when I bought it and it did not do well when we moved it from our old house to the new house 5 years ago. Reading that and thinking of the Craftsman boxes I have used over the years, and still have some, minus the wheels. Thanks for the excellent report. Makes me want to take a look, but a Festool domino tool would get my vote first. |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
A friend has the bigger, wider, larger Milwaukee tool boxes. The kind you bought except twice as tall and twice as wide and twice as deep. Craftsman makes some huge tool boxes like it. Not sure where the big Milwaukee tool boxes were made. But would guess not China. They are quality, as you described. I believe many years ago Made in Vietnam was common on stuff. Made in Vietnam was the precursor to Made in China. Guessing the relevant size of China made Vietnam disappear. I have several Craftsman tool boxes. Drawers are not ball bearing so the big heavy drawers take a lot of effort to open. Otherwise nothing but good things to say about Craftsman tool boxes. If I was buying new I'd look at Home Depot and Lowes offerings on tool boxes. As well as Craftsman. Lowes has their Kobalt brand in a pretty blue color.
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
On 8/21/2016 3:57 PM, OFWW wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:07:50 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: I have not really noticed another new, country of origin, playing a major roll in things we buy for our shops but Vietnam is here and from what I see the quality is pretty good, maybe pretty darn good. Ten or twelve years ago I was looking at larger stacked tool chests, 40+" wide and because they were north of a thousand dollars I built my own and it has served me very well. Recently I have noticed HD selling Milwaukee stacked tool chests and I have to do the touchy feely thing every time I am in the store. Anyway my son and his girlfriend are renovating the guest bathroom in his house and he has been borrowing tools, not a problem at all. BUT he has been collecting his own tools and so far their storage location is on the garage floor around his small 2 drawer tool box. His birthday is this week and my wife suggested getting him a nice tool so that he does not have to borrow one of mine and I thought that was a good idea but then I pictured yet more garage floor space being used up increasing the tripping hazard. His significant other has mention this and told him that she will not be happy if she trips and falls. ;~) Soooo I decided a real tool chest was in order instead of another tool and the Milwaukee came into mind and that is what we got him. In particular this is the one we got for him. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...8530/206696101 These two units weigh in at 300 lbs and I ended up moving the two boxed units two times, From the store to my garage and then to his garage, I was a little fearful about all the loading and unloading and the damage that might result. He and I wrestled the bottom cabinet to the garage floor and began the opening ceremony. He showed me how to break the welds on the fiberglass reinforced straps, that hold all of the pieces of the carton together, very easily with his fingers. I had always used a pocket knife. So the straps come off and the top lifts off. We see the typical paper product corner reinforcements that run down each corner and we see these also on the 4 top sides and IIRC 4 bottom sides. These angle pieces are solid multi layers of paper product with no corrugation, these things are strong. Next the molded Styrofoam top cover comes off as well as the four Styrofoam side panels around the perimeter. At this point the outer cardboard box is easily lifted out of the bottom tray and the plastic cover can now be removed. The shipping container was a work of art. The top box packaging was the same. No dents, no dings, no buckled corners and no scratched paint anywhere. Perfect! Assembly was also a no brainer. While there was an instruction booklet, and it was well written, you really did not need it. Assembly involved bolting on the huge casters, lower box pull handle, cord storage brackets and braces to keep the top box in place on top of the bottom box. A wrench was included to bolt the casters on and I will say it was pretty cheap so we resorted to using a 1/2" socket to tighten the caster bolts. Every bolt/screw attachment on the boxes screwed directly into threaded steel and welded nuts. The casters bolted directly into what appeared to be 4 pieces of 1/4 angle iron. Every threaded hole was precisely where it should be and there was no need to pry or force any bolts or screws. What a delight, both my son and I were amazed. So the features of the box, red wrinkle paint on the boxes and smooth black drawers. Steel peg board on the back top of the top box, soft close full extension ball bearing slides, 100 lb rated. A circuit breaker protected built in power outlet with 4~5 outlets, a hinged work surface on the top of the top box bottom drawer, lite duty only, put your lap top in there and that drawer is individually lockable by it self. The 5"x2" HD casters are rated for 1,800 lbs and have a great set of levers to lock and unlock the break, the levers are side by side and you simply push down on the lock or unlock lever. The top box has a clam shell type lid with gas struts and with no front lip so that you can see every thing with out having to look up and over. So I was impressed as was my son. FWIW DeWalt and Porter Cable offer similar style boxes in brand appropriate colors, YELLOW and grey. If this is any indication of the quality that we will be seeing coming out of Vietnam the Chinese will have to step up their game in a big way. We looked at Harbor Freight first and saw a similar cheaply built top and bottom box for $150 less. Not at all worth the $150 savings IMHO. I will probably replace my 30 year old 26" Craftsman with the 46" Milwaukee sooner than later. The Craftsman had dents straight out of the box when I bought it and it did not do well when we moved it from our old house to the new house 5 years ago. Reading that and thinking of the Craftsman boxes I have used over the years, and still have some, minus the wheels. Thanks for the excellent report. Makes me want to take a look, but a Festool domino tool would get my vote first. The bait dangled, the bait was swallowed, the hook is set. Now, will you run? LOL Good on you! Just a little more on the tool chests. Craftsman was a good home garage box. And then there is Matco and Snapon and the like. Those are typically 10~15 times the price of a compatibly sized Craftsman. Why so much more, they get lifted, full of tools, sat in the back of pick up trucks, and relocated many times in their life time and they hold up. Lifting a box with a thousand pounds plus of tools and having it bounce down the road is the hardest thing you can do to a box. Plus they get wet quite often when the floors in the shop get washed. These Milwaukee boxes appear to be in between the inexpensive Craftsman type boxes and the upper end. If you could buy SnapOn and Matco at HD they would surely sell for half the price but you pay for the convenience of you rep coming around weekly to serve your needs. |
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On 8/21/2016 5:29 PM, Leon wrote:
On 8/21/2016 3:57 PM, OFWW wrote: On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:07:50 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: [snip] Just a little more on the tool chests. Craftsman was a good home garage box. And then there is Matco and Snapon and the like. Those are typically 10~15 times the price of a compatibly sized Craftsman. But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
On 8/21/2016 7:02 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 8/21/2016 5:29 PM, Leon wrote: On 8/21/2016 3:57 PM, OFWW wrote: On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:07:50 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: [snip] Just a little more on the tool chests. Craftsman was a good home garage box. And then there is Matco and Snapon and the like. Those are typically 10~15 times the price of a compatibly sized Craftsman. But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. Absolutely! LOL Most mechanics have as much invested in their tools as they do their homes. ;~) |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
Leon wrote:
But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. Absolutely! LOL Most mechanics have as much invested in their tools as they do their homes. ;~) I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 4:15:59 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote: But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. Absolutely! LOL Most mechanics have as much invested in their tools as they do their homes. ;~) I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. "a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches" Yeah, I gotta get a metric crescent wrench one of these days. The imperial size one just won't adjust to those pesky mm sized nuts. ;-) |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
DerbyDad03 wrote in
: On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 4:15:59 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. "a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches" Yeah, I gotta get a metric crescent wrench one of these days. The imperial size one just won't adjust to those pesky mm sized nuts. ;-) Mine's imperial on one side and metric on the other. I can only loosen metric nuts or tighten imperial ones. I'm still trying to find it's mate, but it seems they're all the same way! Puckdropper |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 4:15:59 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. Absolutely! LOL Most mechanics have as much invested in their tools as they do their homes. ;~) I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. "a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches" Yeah, I gotta get a metric crescent wrench one of these days. The imperial size one just won't adjust to those pesky mm sized nuts. ;-) Little sanity tip: Keep the metric tools in a separate toolbox. I had a job this summer where I Really Needed two 1/2" crescent wrenches at the same time. That doesn't happen much. Well, I thought I did, it turned out it wasn't necessary to remove those nuts--which were real buggers! I did'nt like hitting my crescent wrench with a hammer (I covered it with a rag first). |
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On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 4:40:41 PM UTC-4, wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote in : On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 4:15:59 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. "a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches" Yeah, I gotta get a metric crescent wrench one of these days. The imperial size one just won't adjust to those pesky mm sized nuts. ;-) Mine's imperial on one side and metric on the other. I can only loosen metric nuts or tighten imperial ones. I'm still trying to find it's mate, but it seems they're all the same way! Puckdropper I like it! Actually, that's not as far fetched as it sounds. Crescent makes a 2 ended wrench: Adjustable on one end with a pass-through socket handle on the other. The idea sounded good until I noticed that the pass-through sockets are combination sockets which they claim fit both imperial and metric. Any time I see anything that tries to act like X-Tools-In-One, I back away slowly. |
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 13:29:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 4:15:59 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. Absolutely! LOL Most mechanics have as much invested in their tools as they do their homes. ;~) I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. "a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches" Yeah, I gotta get a metric crescent wrench one of these days. The imperial size one just won't adjust to those pesky mm sized nuts. ;-) My Crescent wrenches are even better than metric. They're metric on one side (600mm and 800mm) on one side and imperial (8" and 12") on the other. |
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On 8/22/2016 3:15 PM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote: But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. Absolutely! LOL Most mechanics have as much invested in their tools as they do their homes. ;~) I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. The fancier names have the distinction of not having to be competitively priced. Add to that you don't have to go to the store to have a broken tool replaced, the rep comes to your work place, although you have to wait a week. ;~) And these are top notch tools that with daily use may never wear out. And ultimately the guy selling you the top notch tools knows what he is talking about, he has quite an investment too. But for you and me just about any decent brand will do. |
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On 2016-08-22 8:07 PM, Leon wrote:
On 8/22/2016 3:15 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. Absolutely! LOL Most mechanics have as much invested in their tools as they do their homes. ;~) I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. The fancier names have the distinction of not having to be competitively priced. Add to that you don't have to go to the store to have a broken tool replaced, the rep comes to your work place, although you have to wait a week. ;~) And these are top notch tools that with daily use may never wear out. And ultimately the guy selling you the top notch tools knows what he is talking about, he has quite an investment too. But for you and me just about any decent brand will do. The Snap-On dealer who came by our shop would fight tooth and nail when it came to warranty claims, always tried to blame the worker. Yes they did break and under normal use. Sears, on the other hand, never questioned, just replaced. Of course that was in their prime, sadly those days are gone. -- |
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On 8/22/2016 9:20 PM, Idlehands wrote:
On 2016-08-22 8:07 PM, Leon wrote: On 8/22/2016 3:15 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: [snip] And ultimately the guy selling you the top notch tools knows what he is talking about, he has quite an investment too. But for you and me just about any decent brand will do. The Snap-On dealer who came by our shop would fight tooth and nail when it came to warranty claims, always tried to blame the worker. Yes they did break and under normal use. Sears, on the other hand, never questioned, just replaced. Of course that was in their prime, sadly those days are gone. That's sad to hear, if true. Have rarely had an occasion to take a Craftsman hand tool back but the few times I did, it was no questions asked. Broke the tip on a large screw driver and worried about explaining what happened (used it as a punch, not a pry bar, and it just didn't like thatg). Retail guy never asked, just walked me over to the screwdrivers and handed me a replacement. Socket sets are all Craftsman and are pushing 40 yrs old. No rust, all work just fine. If only the damn sockets wouldn't keep walking off. Found I was missing a couple of my 3/8" drive recently and priced replacements. Damn! Then went to the Sears Appliance Outlet store when I was in the neighborhood and picked up a complete set for $9.99, with the high end laser etched size marks no less. |
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On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote: On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 4:15:59 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. Absolutely! LOL Most mechanics have as much invested in their tools as they do their homes. ;~) I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. "a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches" Yeah, I gotta get a metric crescent wrench one of these days. The imperial size one just won't adjust to those pesky mm sized nuts. ;-) Little sanity tip: Keep the metric tools in a separate toolbox. I had a job this summer where I Really Needed two 1/2" crescent wrenches at the same time. That doesn't happen much. Well, I thought I did, it turned out it wasn't necessary to remove those nuts--which were real buggers! I did'nt like hitting my crescent wrench with a hammer (I covered it with a rag first). We appear to have a difference in terminology here. What is your definition of a "crescent wrench"? Where I grew up a Crescent wrench was the most well known brand name for an adjustable wrench as shown he https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1Tj3HRVIeL.jpg Specific sized wrenches, even if made by Crescent were "open end" or "box" wrenches. If someone said "Hand me the Crescent wrench", you knew they meant the adjustable wrench. If you do a Google search on Crescent wrench, the overwhelming majority (almost 100%) of the images are of adjustable wrenches, even if not made by Crescent. I guess that's why I find the term "metric Crescent wrench" a little strange. My brain says "An adjustable wrench is neither metric nor imperial." |
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DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 4:15:59 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. Absolutely! LOL Most mechanics have as much invested in their tools as they do their homes. ;~) I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. "a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches" Yeah, I gotta get a metric crescent wrench one of these days. The imperial size one just won't adjust to those pesky mm sized nuts. ;-) Little sanity tip: Keep the metric tools in a separate toolbox. I had a job this summer where I Really Needed two 1/2" crescent wrenches at the same time. That doesn't happen much. Well, I thought I did, it turned out it wasn't necessary to remove those nuts--which were real buggers! I did'nt like hitting my crescent wrench with a hammer (I covered it with a rag first). We appear to have a difference in terminology here. What is your definition of a "crescent wrench"? Where I grew up a Crescent wrench was the most well known brand name for an adjustable wrench as shown he https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1Tj3HRVIeL.jpg Specific sized wrenches, even if made by Crescent were "open end" or "box" wrenches. If someone said "Hand me the Crescent wrench", you knew they meant the adjustable wrench. "My bad", then. I knew Crescent was an old manufacturer, and I thought it was a generic term for "open-ended wrench". What you call a Crescent wrench, I was brought up with as a "pipe wrench". I probably would not have used the term Crescent until I was exposed to it a few weeks ago. I'll be careful in the future! By the way, I have an old set of these: http://alloy-artifacts.org/Photos/to...pped_inset.jpg |
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Idlehands wrote:
On 2016-08-22 8:07 PM, Leon wrote: On 8/22/2016 3:15 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. Absolutely! LOL Most mechanics have as much invested in their tools as they do their homes. ;~) I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. The fancier names have the distinction of not having to be competitively priced. Add to that you don't have to go to the store to have a broken tool replaced, the rep comes to your work place, although you have to wait a week. ;~) And these are top notch tools that with daily use may never wear out. And ultimately the guy selling you the top notch tools knows what he is talking about, he has quite an investment too. But for you and me just about any decent brand will do. The Snap-On dealer who came by our shop would fight tooth and nail when it came to warranty claims, always tried to blame the worker. Yes they did break and under normal use. Yes all brands break and SnapOn has an exception clause. If it breads because it was worn out it is not normally covered. Sears, on the other hand, never questioned, just replaced. Of course that was in their prime, sadly those days are gone. Well In most cases the Craftsman are used mostly by home owners and some pro's. It is likely if a Craftsman breaks it is not worn out. SnapOn is rarely bought by a homeowner that uses his tools occasionally. |
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On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 2:58:52 AM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote: On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 4:15:59 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. Absolutely! LOL Most mechanics have as much invested in their tools as they do their homes. ;~) I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. "a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches" Yeah, I gotta get a metric crescent wrench one of these days. The imperial size one just won't adjust to those pesky mm sized nuts. ;-) Little sanity tip: Keep the metric tools in a separate toolbox. I had a job this summer where I Really Needed two 1/2" crescent wrenches at the same time. That doesn't happen much. Well, I thought I did, it turned out it wasn't necessary to remove those nuts--which were real buggers! I did'nt like hitting my crescent wrench with a hammer (I covered it with a rag first). We appear to have a difference in terminology here. What is your definition of a "crescent wrench"? Where I grew up a Crescent wrench was the most well known brand name for an adjustable wrench as shown he https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1Tj3HRVIeL.jpg Specific sized wrenches, even if made by Crescent were "open end" or "box" wrenches. If someone said "Hand me the Crescent wrench", you knew they meant the adjustable wrench. "My bad", then. I knew Crescent was an old manufacturer, and I thought it was a generic term for "open-ended wrench". What you call a Crescent wrench, I was brought up with as a "pipe wrench". I probably would not have used the term Crescent until I was exposed to it a few weeks ago. I'll be careful in the future! By the way, I have an old set of these: Don't worry, there is no "my bad" here. :-) What there is is kind a of a mix-up between types of wrenches and manufacturer's names, which I am guilty of also. Crescent makes all kinds of wrenches, adjustable, open end, box, etc. If someone was brought seeing open end wrenches made by Crescent, it would make sense that that is what they call a crescent wrench. I grew up with adjustables by Crescent, so that's what stuck with me. Now, I do have to say that I've never known an adjustable wrench of the type I am speaking of to be called a pipe wrench. A pipe wrench is adjustable, but it's a totally different animal, both in terms of design and operation.. The movable jaw of a pipe has a very specific reason for being "sloppy". It's designed that way so that grips the round surface of a pipe when force is applied. This is pipe wrench: http://www.harborfreight.com/media/c...mage_17373.jpg |
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On 8/23/2016 7:02 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 2:58:52 AM UTC-4, Bill wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: [snip] We appear to have a difference in terminology here. What is your definition of a "crescent wrench"? Where I grew up a Crescent wrench was the most well known brand name for an adjustable wrench as shown he https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1Tj3HRVIeL.jpg Specific sized wrenches, even if made by Crescent were "open end" or "box" wrenches. If someone said "Hand me the Crescent wrench", you knew they meant the adjustable wrench. "My bad", then. I knew Crescent was an old manufacturer, and I thought it was a generic term for "open-ended wrench". What you call a Crescent wrench, I was brought up with as a "pipe wrench". I probably would not have used the term Crescent until I was exposed to it a few weeks ago. I'll be careful in the future! By the way, I have an old set of these: Don't worry, there is no "my bad" here. :-) What there is is kind a of a mix-up between types of wrenches and manufacturer's names, which I am guilty of also. Crescent makes all kinds of wrenches, adjustable, open end, box, etc. If someone was brought seeing open end wrenches made by Crescent, it would make sense that that is what they call a crescent wrench. I grew up with adjustables by Crescent, so that's what stuck with me. Now, I do have to say that I've never known an adjustable wrench of the type I am speaking of to be called a pipe wrench. A pipe wrench is adjustable, but it's a totally different animal, both in terms of design and operation. The movable jaw of a pipe has a very specific reason for being "sloppy". It's designed that way so that grips the round surface of a pipe when force is applied. This is pipe wrench: http://www.harborfreight.com/media/c...mage_17373.jpg Or a "Stillson Wrench" |
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On 8/23/2016 1:58 AM, Bill wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote: On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 4:15:59 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: But the nice thing about Snap-On and, I think, MATCO is that they have a mortgage loan officer right there on the sales truck. VERY convenient. Absolutely! LOL Most mechanics have as much invested in their tools as they do their homes. ;~) I was just explaining to a family member just HOW FAR a 3/8" and 1/2" ratchet set (and sockets), a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches and a set of screw drivers go. You could probably have all of the above for probably less than $150 (Craftsman). What more do those fancier names do for you? I mean, there seems to be much decreasing marginal utility. None of these tools have either broke nor bent, but I did get a 3/8" ratchet that had issues from the start (it was replaced). None have the least signs of rust either. "a set of imperial size and metric crescent wrenches" Yeah, I gotta get a metric crescent wrench one of these days. The imperial size one just won't adjust to those pesky mm sized nuts. ;-) Little sanity tip: Keep the metric tools in a separate toolbox. I had a job this summer where I Really Needed two 1/2" crescent wrenches at the same time. That doesn't happen much. Well, I thought I did, it turned out it wasn't necessary to remove those nuts--which were real buggers! I did'nt like hitting my crescent wrench with a hammer (I covered it with a rag first). We appear to have a difference in terminology here. What is your definition of a "crescent wrench"? Where I grew up a Crescent wrench was the most well known brand name for an adjustable wrench as shown he https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1Tj3HRVIeL.jpg Specific sized wrenches, even if made by Crescent were "open end" or "box" wrenches. If someone said "Hand me the Crescent wrench", you knew they meant the adjustable wrench. "My bad", then. I knew Crescent was an old manufacturer, and I thought it was a generic term for "open-ended wrench". What you call a Crescent wrench, I was brought up with as a "pipe wrench". I probably would not have used the term Crescent until I was exposed to it a few weeks ago. I'll be careful in the future! By the way, I have an old set of these: http://alloy-artifacts.org/Photos/to...pped_inset.jpg Typically the company that is the first to invent/market a particular style tool is how the tool gets it's name. Crescent Wrench the adjustable wrench, Allen Wrench the hex wrench, Skil Saw the circular saw, Channellock Plyers the slip joint plyers, Torx wrench the star wrench, Phillips driver, cross head driver. And sometimes what the tool is originally named sticks. Milwaukee "Sawsall" a recip saw, and probably the "Domino" when the Festool patent expires. |
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On 8/23/2016 7:18 AM, Leon wrote:
Typically the company that is the first to invent/market a particular style tool is how the tool gets it's name. Crescent Wrench the adjustable wrench, Allen Wrench the hex wrench, Skil Saw the circular saw, Channellock Plyers the slip joint plyers, Torx wrench the star wrench, Phillips driver, cross head driver. And sometimes what the tool is originally named sticks. Milwaukee "Sawsall" a recip saw, and probably the "Domino" when the Festool patent expires. Oh! Add "The Kodak" the camera. ;~) and The Polaroid Camera the instant camera. |
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I have not really noticed another new, country of origin, playing a major roll in things we buy for our shops but Vietnam is here and from what I see the quality is pretty good, maybe pretty darn good. Ten or twelve years ago I was looking at larger stacked tool chests, 40+" wide and because they were north of a thousand dollars I built my own and it has served me very well. Recently I have noticed HD selling Milwaukee stacked tool chests and I have to do the touchy feely thing every time I am in the store. Anyway my son and his girlfriend are renovating the guest bathroom in his house and he has been borrowing tools, not a problem at all. BUT he has been collecting his own tools and so far their storage location is on the garage floor around his small 2 drawer tool box. His birthday is this week and my wife suggested getting him a nice tool so that he does not have to borrow one of mine and I thought that was a good idea but then I pictured yet more garage floor space being used up increasing the tripping hazard. His significant other has mention this and told him that she will not be happy if she trips and falls. ;~) Soooo I decided a real tool chest was in order instead of another tool and the Milwaukee came into mind and that is what we got him. In particular this is the one we got for him. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...8530/206696101 These two units weigh in at 300 lbs and I ended up moving the two boxed units two times, From the store to my garage and then to his garage, I was a little fearful about all the loading and unloading and the damage that might result. He and I wrestled the bottom cabinet to the garage floor and began the opening ceremony. He showed me how to break the welds on the fiberglass reinforced straps, that hold all of the pieces of the carton together, very easily with his fingers. I had always used a pocket knife. So the straps come off and the top lifts off. We see the typical paper product corner reinforcements that run down each corner and we see these also on the 4 top sides and IIRC 4 bottom sides. These angle pieces are solid multi layers of paper product with no corrugation, these things are strong. Next the molded Styrofoam top cover comes off as well as the four Styrofoam side panels around the perimeter. At this point the outer cardboard box is easily lifted out of the bottom tray and the plastic cover can now be removed. The shipping container was a work of art. The top box packaging was the same. No dents, no dings, no buckled corners and no scratched paint anywhere. Perfect! Assembly was also a no brainer. While there was an instruction booklet, and it was well written, you really did not need it. Assembly involved bolting on the huge casters, lower box pull handle, cord storage brackets and braces to keep the top box in place on top of the bottom box. A wrench was included to bolt the casters on and I will say it was pretty cheap so we resorted to using a 1/2" socket to tighten the caster bolts. Every bolt/screw attachment on the boxes screwed directly into threaded steel and welded nuts. The casters bolted directly into what appeared to be 4 pieces of 1/4 angle iron. Every threaded hole was precisely where it should be and there was no need to pry or force any bolts or screws. What a delight, both my son and I were amazed. So the features of the box, red wrinkle paint on the boxes and smooth black drawers. Steel peg board on the back top of the top box, soft close full extension ball bearing slides, 100 lb rated. A circuit breaker protected built in power outlet with 4~5 outlets, a hinged work surface on the top of the top box bottom drawer, lite duty only, put your lap top in there and that drawer is individually lockable by it self. The 5"x2" HD casters are rated for 1,800 lbs and have a great set of levers to lock and unlock the break, the levers are side by side and you simply push down on the lock or unlock lever. The top box has a clam shell type lid with gas struts and with no front lip so that you can see every thing with out having to look up and over. So I was impressed as was my son. FWIW DeWalt and Porter Cable offer similar style boxes in brand appropriate colors, YELLOW and grey. If this is any indication of the quality that we will be seeing coming out of Vietnam the Chinese will have to step up their game in a big way. We looked at Harbor Freight first and saw a similar cheaply built top and bottom box for $150 less. Not at all worth the $150 savings IMHO. I will probably replace my 30 year old 26" Craftsman with the 46" Milwaukee sooner than later. The Craftsman had dents straight out of the box when I bought it and it did not do well when we moved it from our old house to the new house 5 years ago. I still have my first tool box. It is 7 x 14 inches, made by Union Steel Chest Corp., LeRoy, N.Y. It had a curved or domed lid. The lid is crumpled down by my first daughter standing on it to watch me work. She is now 54. -- GW Ross 'Bother', said Pooh, as he loaded his last round. |
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On 8/23/2016 8:40 AM, G. Ross wrote:
Leon wrote: I have not really noticed another new, country of origin, playing a major roll in things we buy for our shops but Vietnam is here and from what I see the quality is pretty good, maybe pretty darn good. Ten or twelve years ago I was looking at larger stacked tool chests, 40+" wide and because they were north of a thousand dollars I built my own and it has served me very well. Recently I have noticed HD selling Milwaukee stacked tool chests and I have to do the touchy feely thing every time I am in the store. Anyway my son and his girlfriend are renovating the guest bathroom in his house and he has been borrowing tools, not a problem at all. BUT he has been collecting his own tools and so far their storage location is on the garage floor around his small 2 drawer tool box. His birthday is this week and my wife suggested getting him a nice tool so that he does not have to borrow one of mine and I thought that was a good idea but then I pictured yet more garage floor space being used up increasing the tripping hazard. His significant other has mention this and told him that she will not be happy if she trips and falls. ;~) Soooo I decided a real tool chest was in order instead of another tool and the Milwaukee came into mind and that is what we got him. In particular this is the one we got for him. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...8530/206696101 These two units weigh in at 300 lbs and I ended up moving the two boxed units two times, From the store to my garage and then to his garage, I was a little fearful about all the loading and unloading and the damage that might result. He and I wrestled the bottom cabinet to the garage floor and began the opening ceremony. He showed me how to break the welds on the fiberglass reinforced straps, that hold all of the pieces of the carton together, very easily with his fingers. I had always used a pocket knife. So the straps come off and the top lifts off. We see the typical paper product corner reinforcements that run down each corner and we see these also on the 4 top sides and IIRC 4 bottom sides. These angle pieces are solid multi layers of paper product with no corrugation, these things are strong. Next the molded Styrofoam top cover comes off as well as the four Styrofoam side panels around the perimeter. At this point the outer cardboard box is easily lifted out of the bottom tray and the plastic cover can now be removed. The shipping container was a work of art. The top box packaging was the same. No dents, no dings, no buckled corners and no scratched paint anywhere. Perfect! Assembly was also a no brainer. While there was an instruction booklet, and it was well written, you really did not need it. Assembly involved bolting on the huge casters, lower box pull handle, cord storage brackets and braces to keep the top box in place on top of the bottom box. A wrench was included to bolt the casters on and I will say it was pretty cheap so we resorted to using a 1/2" socket to tighten the caster bolts. Every bolt/screw attachment on the boxes screwed directly into threaded steel and welded nuts. The casters bolted directly into what appeared to be 4 pieces of 1/4 angle iron. Every threaded hole was precisely where it should be and there was no need to pry or force any bolts or screws. What a delight, both my son and I were amazed. So the features of the box, red wrinkle paint on the boxes and smooth black drawers. Steel peg board on the back top of the top box, soft close full extension ball bearing slides, 100 lb rated. A circuit breaker protected built in power outlet with 4~5 outlets, a hinged work surface on the top of the top box bottom drawer, lite duty only, put your lap top in there and that drawer is individually lockable by it self. The 5"x2" HD casters are rated for 1,800 lbs and have a great set of levers to lock and unlock the break, the levers are side by side and you simply push down on the lock or unlock lever. The top box has a clam shell type lid with gas struts and with no front lip so that you can see every thing with out having to look up and over. So I was impressed as was my son. FWIW DeWalt and Porter Cable offer similar style boxes in brand appropriate colors, YELLOW and grey. If this is any indication of the quality that we will be seeing coming out of Vietnam the Chinese will have to step up their game in a big way. We looked at Harbor Freight first and saw a similar cheaply built top and bottom box for $150 less. Not at all worth the $150 savings IMHO. I will probably replace my 30 year old 26" Craftsman with the 46" Milwaukee sooner than later. The Craftsman had dents straight out of the box when I bought it and it did not do well when we moved it from our old house to the new house 5 years ago. I still have my first tool box. It is 7 x 14 inches, made by Union Steel Chest Corp., LeRoy, N.Y. It had a curved or domed lid. The lid is crumpled down by my first daughter standing on it to watch me work. She is now 54. Cant say that I still have mine. My first set of sockets, wrenches, and screw drivers were Penncraft, JCPenneys. They came in the typical plastic injection molded box. I still have all the tools, 1971. That box was replaced by a Craftsman two drawer then a Kennedy, then the Craftsman top and bottom box. |
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On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 9:08:06 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
And these are top notch tools that with daily use may never wear out. But for you and me just about any decent brand will do. I have no doubt the top brand tools are top notch. But I only open my Craftsman tool box drawers about once a month. Not once a minute or hour. For holding my tools in between semi annual usage or less, they do very well. I am happy to have fine Craftsman tools. But most of them don't see the light of day very much. |
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On 08/23/2016 8:40 AM, G. Ross wrote:
.... I still have my first tool box. It is 7 x 14 inches, made by Union Steel Chest Corp., LeRoy, N.Y. It had a curved or domed lid. The lid is crumpled down by my first daughter standing on it to watch me work. She is now 54. While not "mine" in same since still have and use a couple that were grandfather's, dating to at least 1914 which is when he and his brother settled on the place here; had been renting farm ground earlier so it's likley they came with him rather than were new at the time... Several wrench sets are still mostly around and a set of Craftsman pipe dies and another tap and die set date to probably the '20s... -- --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:42:14 AM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 8/23/2016 7:02 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 2:58:52 AM UTC-4, Bill wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: [snip] We appear to have a difference in terminology here. What is your definition of a "crescent wrench"? Where I grew up a Crescent wrench was the most well known brand name for an adjustable wrench as shown he https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1Tj3HRVIeL.jpg Specific sized wrenches, even if made by Crescent were "open end" or "box" wrenches. If someone said "Hand me the Crescent wrench", you knew they meant the adjustable wrench. "My bad", then. I knew Crescent was an old manufacturer, and I thought it was a generic term for "open-ended wrench". What you call a Crescent wrench, I was brought up with as a "pipe wrench". I probably would not have used the term Crescent until I was exposed to it a few weeks ago. I'll be careful in the future! By the way, I have an old set of these: Don't worry, there is no "my bad" here. :-) What there is is kind a of a mix-up between types of wrenches and manufacturer's names, which I am guilty of also. Crescent makes all kinds of wrenches, adjustable, open end, box, etc. If someone was brought seeing open end wrenches made by Crescent, it would make sense that that is what they call a crescent wrench. I grew up with adjustables by Crescent, so that's what stuck with me. Now, I do have to say that I've never known an adjustable wrench of the type I am speaking of to be called a pipe wrench. A pipe wrench is adjustable, but it's a totally different animal, both in terms of design and operation. The movable jaw of a pipe has a very specific reason for being "sloppy". It's designed that way so that grips the round surface of a pipe when force is applied. This is pipe wrench: http://www.harborfreight.com/media/c...mage_17373.jpg Or a "Stillson Wrench" As opposed to a Monkey Wrench... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...n_wrenches.png |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 11:29:59 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
I only have Craftsman and gasp, Penncraft, JCPenney from the early 70's. Those are perfectly fine for us. ;~) I've been using the same hammer since the mid-70's. I've changed the head twice and the handle three times, but it's still the same hammer. ;-) |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 6:39:55 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
wrote: A friend has the bigger, wider, larger Milwaukee tool boxes. The kind you bought except twice as tall and twice as wide and twice as deep. Wow 120" tall and 36" deep, does he have it in a barn and use a ladder to get to the top box? Guessing you have this Milwaukee toolbox. https://www.milwaukeetool.com/hand-t...age/48-22-8530 http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...8530/206696101 My friend has this one. At Home Depot. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...gclsrc=a w.ds My friend's is about 4 feet wide, 6 feet high, 2 feet deep. Yours is about 3.25 feet wide, 5.5 feet high, 1.5 feet deep. Not twice as big. Just 1.5 times bigger. But if you see it in person you would say its twice as big. 19,200 cubic inches storage compared to 27,200 inches storage. $300 price difference. |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
On 8/23/2016 10:39 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 6:39:55 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote: wrote: A friend has the bigger, wider, larger Milwaukee tool boxes. The kind you bought except twice as tall and twice as wide and twice as deep. Wow 120" tall and 36" deep, does he have it in a barn and use a ladder to get to the top box? Guessing you have this Milwaukee toolbox. I had it for two days. Then gave it to my son for his BD. :~) https://www.milwaukeetool.com/hand-t...age/48-22-8530 http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...8530/206696101 My friend has this one. At Home Depot. I am seriously looking at the 46" for myself to replace my Craftsman 26". At my local HD I also found a display and boxed 52" Husky. NOT the regular Husky, built very much like the Milwaukee. Same casters as the Milwaukee. Same soft close drawers, Some type peg board style panel on the back, 2 breakered and USB multi outlets, Black wrinkle paint and gloss black drawer pulls. Rated for 2500 lbs. and 120 lb rated drawers and a 5 year warranty. And IIRC 20" deep drawers as opposed to 16". 35,757 cu. in of storage... Huge. Same price as the 46" Milwaukee. I cannot find any information on that particular 52" Husky, it is $100 more than the regular 52" Huskys. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...gclsrc=a w.ds My friend's is about 4 feet wide, 6 feet high, 2 feet deep. Yours is about 3.25 feet wide, 5.5 feet high, 1.5 feet deep. Not twice as big. Just 1.5 times bigger. But if you see it in person you would say its twice as big. 19,200 cubic inches storage compared to 27,200 inches storage. $300 price difference. My son's 30" was $500 the 46 is $700. |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
On 8/23/2016 2:31 PM, Leon wrote:
On 8/23/2016 10:39 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 6:39:55 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote: wrote: A friend has the bigger, wider, larger Milwaukee tool boxes. The kind you bought except twice as tall and twice as wide and twice as deep. Wow 120" tall and 36" deep, does he have it in a barn and use a ladder to get to the top box? Guessing you have this Milwaukee toolbox. I had it for two days. Then gave it to my son for his BD. :~) https://www.milwaukeetool.com/hand-t...age/48-22-8530 http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...8530/206696101 My friend has this one. At Home Depot. I am seriously looking at the 46" for myself to replace my Craftsman 26". At my local HD I also found a display and boxed 52" Husky. NOT the regular Husky, built very much like the Milwaukee. Same casters as the Milwaukee. Same soft close drawers, Some type peg board style panel on the back, 2 breakered and USB multi outlets, Black wrinkle paint and gloss black drawer pulls. Rated for 2500 lbs. and 120 lb rated drawers and a 5 year warranty. And IIRC 20" deep drawers as opposed to 16". 35,757 cu. in of storage... Huge. Same price as the 46" Milwaukee. I cannot find any information on that particular 52" Husky, it is $100 more than the regular 52" Huskys. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee...gclsrc=a w.ds My friend's is about 4 feet wide, 6 feet high, 2 feet deep. Yours is about 3.25 feet wide, 5.5 feet high, 1.5 feet deep. Not twice as big. Just 1.5 times bigger. But if you see it in person you would say its twice as big. 19,200 cubic inches storage compared to 27,200 inches storage. $300 price difference. My son's 30" was $500 the 46 is $700. SOB that 46 just went up to $750 from yesterday. |
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A bit OT but something most of us have in our shops.
SOB that 46 just went up to $750 from yesterday.
Prices in my links above from Home Depot are $749 and $448 for the 30 inch and 46 inch Milwaukee tool boxes. Might be different on the floor of the store. |
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