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Question one might be "is there a better forum for this question?"

Need to understand sequencing of installation of new doors and new
hardwood floor in existing home.

I have an entry way to my home 6' x 6'. It has three walls. In one wll
I have my entry door. One one other wall I have a door to the garage
and one door to a closet. I want to add hardwood floor and all new pre-
hung doors in this area. The current linoleum floor is over cheap and
deteriorating sub floor. I want to remove it and replace the subfloor
then lay engineered 3/8" hardwood and also new prehung doors. The
entry door will come with a built in sill. Not sure about exterior
door to garage and the closet door will be typical interior pre-hung
with no sill.

I am wondering about what sequence of installation. Do I need to
remove the existing entry door, then get the floor in place and then
install the new door so the sill is over the floor.

The closet has carpet and I want to leave it that way and have the HW
stop at the centerline of the door. Should I just install the new
prehung door down to the sub floor first and then undercut it to add
in the hardwood under the front half of the jamb?

I am kind of doing this area first before I try to tackle the main
part of the house and I'll have 7 more new interior bedroom and closet
doors with the HW floor stopping at the center line so I'd like to
have a good process\sequence.

[HeyBub[_3_]]

SonomaProducts.com wrote:
Question one might be "is there a better forum for this question?"

Need to understand sequencing of installation of new doors and new
hardwood floor in existing home.

I have an entry way to my home 6' x 6'. It has three walls. In one wll
I have my entry door. One one other wall I have a door to the garage
and one door to a closet. I want to add hardwood floor and all new
pre- hung doors in this area. The current linoleum floor is over
cheap and deteriorating sub floor. I want to remove it and replace
the subfloor then lay engineered 3/8" hardwood and also new prehung
doors. The entry door will come with a built in sill. Not sure about
exterior door to garage and the closet door will be typical interior
pre-hung with no sill.

I am wondering about what sequence of installation. Do I need to
remove the existing entry door, then get the floor in place and then
install the new door so the sill is over the floor.

I'd vote for the later. That way you can hide an expansion gap under the
sill.


The closet has carpet and I want to leave it that way and have the HW
stop at the centerline of the door. Should I just install the new
prehung door down to the sub floor first and then undercut it to add
in the hardwood under the front half of the jamb?


Random thoughts:

* Consider tile in the entrance way, transitioning to the hardwood. The tile
is waterproof.

* I'd do the closets the same as the floor in front.

[SonomaProducts.com]

* Consider tile in the entrance way, transitioning to the hardwood. The tile
is waterproof.

* I'd do the closets the same as the floor in front.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I live in California. I usually don't go out on those 2 or 3 days we
have rain. Also, I am looking to test my abilities on laying the floor
so this is a test area, easily rip-out-able and re-do-able. Also, my
designer disallowed any segmenting of the floor other than to change
direction of the HW, no tile for kitchen, no carpet for hallway.
Finally, I want to do the transition from carpet ot HW under a door in
the hall closet, again, as a test of how to get it done before I do it
at a more obvious door into a bedroom, where I am allowed to keep
carpet.

[WW[_2_]]

"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
...
Question one might be "is there a better forum for this question?"

Need to understand sequencing of installation of new doors and new
hardwood floor in existing home.

I have an entry way to my home 6' x 6'. It has three walls. In one wll
I have my entry door. One one other wall I have a door to the garage
and one door to a closet. I want to add hardwood floor and all new pre-
hung doors in this area. The current linoleum floor is over cheap and
deteriorating sub floor. I want to remove it and replace the subfloor
then lay engineered 3/8" hardwood and also new prehung doors. The
entry door will come with a built in sill. Not sure about exterior
door to garage and the closet door will be typical interior pre-hung
with no sill.

I am wondering about what sequence of installation. Do I need to
remove the existing entry door, then get the floor in place and then
install the new door so the sill is over the floor.

The closet has carpet and I want to leave it that way and have the HW
stop at the centerline of the door. Should I just install the new
prehung door down to the sub floor first and then undercut it to add
in the hardwood under the front half of the jamb?

I am kind of doing this area first before I try to tackle the main
part of the house and I'll have 7 more new interior bedroom and closet
doors with the HW floor stopping at the center line so I'd like to
have a good process\sequence.

Also if replacing door to grarage it should be fire rated. That is code
where I live. ww

[HeyBub[_3_]]

SonomaProducts.com wrote:
* Consider tile in the entrance way, transitioning to the hardwood.
The tile is waterproof.

* I'd do the closets the same as the floor in front.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

I live in California. I usually don't go out on those 2 or 3 days we
have rain. Also, I am looking to test my abilities on laying the floor
so this is a test area, easily rip-out-able and re-do-able. Also, my
designer disallowed any segmenting of the floor other than to change
direction of the HW, no tile for kitchen, no carpet for hallway.
Finally, I want to do the transition from carpet ot HW under a door in
the hall closet, again, as a test of how to get it done before I do it
at a more obvious door into a bedroom, where I am allowed to keep
carpet.

Ah, thanks for the explanation. I thought you were insane.

[Mike O.]

On Wed, 5 May 2010 13:23:36 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
wrote:

I am wondering about what sequence of installation. Do I need to
remove the existing entry door, then get the floor in place and then
install the new door so the sill is over the floor.

The closet has carpet and I want to leave it that way and have the HW
stop at the centerline of the door. Should I just install the new
prehung door down to the sub floor first and then undercut it to add
in the hardwood under the front half of the jamb?

I guess I'll disagree with some here and suggest you at least hang the
doors first and maybe hold off on the trim until the floor is down.
There are a couple of issues when hanging the frames after the
flooring. For the jambs to be plumb the header needs to be level.
Even on new homes it's pretty common to have to shim one jamb leg up
to get the head level. If you have to do this on top of the new floor
you'll have a gap there or be trying to figure out shorten the
opposite leg.
In the old days, wood floors were installed before the doors but now
days, the floors go in later so the exterior doors are almost always
hung prior to the finished floor. Not necessarily better but more
common. If you run the flooring under your exterior door someone will
be looking for the Multimaster when they want to change floorings
later. If you install the exterior door first you want to make sure
that the threshold is raised far enough to clear the wood floor and a
rug. We usually add 1/2" under all exterior doors and 3/4" isn't too
much. Most new exterior doors also have an adjustable threshold that
you cannot nail in to. Any base shoe will need to be nailed to the
floor. Your decision on the exterior door might be easier to make
depending on whether or not the opening is tall enough to raise the
new frame so the floor can run under it.
Again, I'd hang the jambs and hold off on the trim until the finished
floor is down. Mostly because I've seen too many flooring guys tear
up my trim when they try to back cut for the flooring
Just a few things to contemplate.;-)

Mike O.

[SonomaProducts.com]

Just a few things to contemplate.;-)

Mike O. *

Thx Mike-O I think I have a much better feel for it now and sounds
like the plan.

[Larry Jaques[_2_]]

On Wed, 5 May 2010 13:23:36 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
wrote the following:

Question one might be "is there a better forum for this question?"

Need to understand sequencing of installation of new doors and new
hardwood floor in existing home.

I have an entry way to my home 6' x 6'. It has three walls. In one wll
I have my entry door. One one other wall I have a door to the garage
and one door to a closet. I want to add hardwood floor and all new pre-
hung doors in this area. The current linoleum floor is over cheap and
deteriorating sub floor. I want to remove it and replace the subfloor
then lay engineered 3/8" hardwood and also new prehung doors. The
entry door will come with a built in sill. Not sure about exterior
door to garage and the closet door will be typical interior pre-hung
with no sill.

I am wondering about what sequence of installation. Do I need to
remove the existing entry door, then get the floor in place and then
install the new door so the sill is over the floor.

Which looks better? Will the doors fit if you add flooring height?
Everything is determined by fit and interaction. Which is easier for
_you_?


The closet has carpet and I want to leave it that way and have the HW
stop at the centerline of the door. Should I just install the new
prehung door down to the sub floor first and then undercut it to add
in the hardwood under the front half of the jamb?

That means trimming the bottoms of all the doors, too, y'know.


I am kind of doing this area first before I try to tackle the main
part of the house and I'll have 7 more new interior bedroom and closet
doors with the HW floor stopping at the center line so I'd like to
have a good process\sequence.

Since the new floor will be the standard, I'd prefer to hang jambed
doors on top to reduce all the work.

Pull the casing and see if you have enough rough opening height to
install the doors (especially those with thresholds) on top of the new
flooring. If so, install the flooring first, then the doors. If not,
remove the thresholds and cut the jambs and doors down, then install
doors, then the floors.

Perfect excuse to buy a HF MultiFunction tool. They cut down jambs
like champs! (If need be.)

--
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian,
or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up
to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
--Thomas Paine

[Chasgroh]

On Wed, 05 May 2010 22:52:53 -0500, Mike O. wrote:

On Wed, 5 May 2010 13:23:36 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
wrote:

I am wondering about what sequence of installation. Do I need to
remove the existing entry door, then get the floor in place and then
install the new door so the sill is over the floor.

The closet has carpet and I want to leave it that way and have the HW
stop at the centerline of the door. Should I just install the new
prehung door down to the sub floor first and then undercut it to add
in the hardwood under the front half of the jamb?

I guess I'll disagree with some here and suggest you at least hang the
doors first and maybe hold off on the trim until the floor is down.
There are a couple of issues when hanging the frames after the
flooring. For the jambs to be plumb the header needs to be level.
Even on new homes it's pretty common to have to shim one jamb leg up
to get the head level. If you have to do this on top of the new floor
you'll have a gap there or be trying to figure out shorten the
opposite leg.
In the old days, wood floors were installed before the doors but now
days, the floors go in later so the exterior doors are almost always
hung prior to the finished floor. Not necessarily better but more
common. If you run the flooring under your exterior door someone will
be looking for the Multimaster when they want to change floorings
later. If you install the exterior door first you want to make sure
that the threshold is raised far enough to clear the wood floor and a
rug. We usually add 1/2" under all exterior doors and 3/4" isn't too
much. Most new exterior doors also have an adjustable threshold that
you cannot nail in to. Any base shoe will need to be nailed to the
floor. Your decision on the exterior door might be easier to make
depending on whether or not the opening is tall enough to raise the
new frame so the floor can run under it.
Again, I'd hang the jambs and hold off on the trim until the finished
floor is down. Mostly because I've seen too many flooring guys tear
up my trim when they try to back cut for the flooring
Just a few things to contemplate.;-)

Mike O.

....this is it. Spoken like a true "door guy"...I was reading thru the
thread thinking process and you nailed what I was thinking, Mike!


cg

[Larry Jaques[_2_]]

On Wed, 05 May 2010 22:52:53 -0500, Mike O. wrote
the following:

Mostly because I've seen too many flooring guys tear
up my trim when they try to back cut for the flooring

Nothin' a couple tubes of caulk can't fix, right, Mike? gd&r

--
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian,
or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up
to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
--Thomas Paine

[Swingman]

On 5/5/2010 3:23 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:

Question one might be "is there a better forum for this question?"

Need to understand sequencing of installation of new doors and new
hardwood floor in existing home.

When your house was built, the doors were installed first, then the
flooring is done prior to trim out.

There are many reasons for that, Mike hit on most of them.

Do your doors first, floors afterward.

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On Thu, 06 May 2010 09:22:59 -0500, Swingman wrote:

On 5/5/2010 3:23 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:

Question one might be "is there a better forum for this question?"

Need to understand sequencing of installation of new doors and new
hardwood floor in existing home.

When your house was built, the doors were installed first, then the
flooring is done prior to trim out.

There are many reasons for that, Mike hit on most of them.

Do your doors first, floors afterward.
That depends when the house was built, and also varies by region.