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Next plane purchase--next 2 plane purchases?
Just thought I would ask the rec what they suggest for the next plane
purchase I should consider. I am interested in one or more of the Veritas planes, but thought I would ask without trying to taint the discussion with my leanings. I have a Millers Falls 714 jack plane Old Stanley Block plane Stanley #6 fore plane Stanley Defiance smoother Craftsman 107.37034 smoother Veritas medium shoulder Veritas scraper plane Veritas cabinet scraper All of them are tuned up and work pretty well. I really like the Millers Falls Buck Rogers jack plane and the Craftsman is not too bad either. The shoulder plane is a real gem. Could not do without it. I have not gotten adept with the scraper plane yet, but the cabinet scraper has been a REAL nice addition. |
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"Eric Anderson" wrote in message om... Just thought I would ask the rec what they suggest for the next plane purchase I should consider. I am interested in one or more of the Veritas planes, but thought I would ask without trying to taint the discussion with my leanings. I have a Millers Falls 714 jack plane Old Stanley Block plane Stanley #6 fore plane Stanley Defiance smoother Craftsman 107.37034 smoother Veritas medium shoulder Veritas scraper plane Veritas cabinet scraper All of them are tuned up and work pretty well. I really like the Millers Falls Buck Rogers jack plane and the Craftsman is not too bad either. The shoulder plane is a real gem. Could not do without it. I have not gotten adept with the scraper plane yet, but the cabinet scraper has been a REAL nice addition. Lie- Nielsen low angle jack plane |
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Next plane purchase--next 2 plane purchases?
My vote goes for either a better block plane or a spokeshave.
you'd be surprised how handy a 151 stanley becomes. On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:39:56 -0800, Eric Anderson wrote: Just thought I would ask the rec what they suggest for the next plane purchase I should consider. I am interested in one or more of the Veritas planes, but thought I would ask without trying to taint the discussion with my leanings. I have a Millers Falls 714 jack plane Old Stanley Block plane Stanley #6 fore plane Stanley Defiance smoother Craftsman 107.37034 smoother Veritas medium shoulder Veritas scraper plane Veritas cabinet scraper All of them are tuned up and work pretty well. I really like the Millers Falls Buck Rogers jack plane and the Craftsman is not too bad either. The shoulder plane is a real gem. Could not do without it. I have not gotten adept with the scraper plane yet, but the cabinet scraper has been a REAL nice addition. |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:37:05 GMT, acronym
wrote: you'd be surprised how handy a 151 stanley becomes. They make good boomerangs. Well, they make better boomerangs than spokeshaves, and if you throw one away, not coming back is an advantage. Stanley 151s are rubbish, and the Record and other clones are usually worse. If you want a spokshave that's easy to use, look for an old wooden one, or else the Veritas low-angle one. The first iron-bodied spokeshave I found that worked was the smaller Stanley #63 / #64 model. The adjustable mouth #50somethings are good too, but rare. A Preston is nice, but expensive. -- Do whales have krillfiles ? |
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There's plenty of ways you can go, depending upon what you want to do. There
have already been some good examples listed, here are some mo -Side rabbet planes. I have the LN 98/99 set. I don't use them everyday or even every week, but they are extremely handy when I do use them. -Router plane like a Stanley 71. -Jointer plane. I use my No.6 for jointing boards up to 2', but for longer boards the No.7 and No. 8 are nice. -Scrub plane, either old Stanley or LN. When you need to remove a lot of wood quickly... -I have a Veritas 4 1/2 wide smoother that I really like. -As Andy mentioned, any of the Veritas spokeshaves will serve you well. There's also molding planes, plow planes, fillesters, rabbet planes, combination planes, hollows and rounds... Oh BTW, nice drive by on the MF Buck Rogers plane. I want one of those to go with my BR brace and hack saw. David |
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"Eric Anderson" wrote in message om... Just thought I would ask the rec what they suggest for the next plane purchase I should consider. I am interested in one or more of the Veritas planes, but thought I would ask without trying to taint the discussion with my leanings. I have a Millers Falls 714 jack plane Old Stanley Block plane Stanley #6 fore plane Stanley Defiance smoother Craftsman 107.37034 smoother Veritas medium shoulder Veritas scraper plane Veritas cabinet scraper All of them are tuned up and work pretty well. I really like the Millers Falls Buck Rogers jack plane and the Craftsman is not too bad either. The shoulder plane is a real gem. Could not do without it. I have not gotten adept with the scraper plane yet, but the cabinet scraper has been a REAL nice addition. Are you just collecting planes, or do you have a project in mind? If so, what plane do you need for that project. That will answer your question. Cheers, Eric |
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I guess what I am really looking for is a plane that takes shavings
off (for fine tuning) with the same adeptness that my Veritas shoulder plane does. I think it has the most satisfying "tuning" ability of any of my planes. Oh, the others take off nice shavings, but the Veritas shoulder plane adjusts so finely and the shavings look about 3 or 4 thousandths thick. It is real hard to get the others tuned to that level. I wish I could find a bench plane that would work like that. I would be using it for general purpose, but also for shooting and drawer tune-ups. "Eric Lund" wrote in message om... "Eric Anderson" wrote in message om... Just thought I would ask the rec what they suggest for the next plane purchase I should consider. I am interested in one or more of the Veritas planes, but thought I would ask without trying to taint the discussion with my leanings. I have a Millers Falls 714 jack plane Old Stanley Block plane Stanley #6 fore plane Stanley Defiance smoother Craftsman 107.37034 smoother Veritas medium shoulder Veritas scraper plane Veritas cabinet scraper All of them are tuned up and work pretty well. I really like the Millers Falls Buck Rogers jack plane and the Craftsman is not too bad either. The shoulder plane is a real gem. Could not do without it. I have not gotten adept with the scraper plane yet, but the cabinet scraper has been a REAL nice addition. Are you just collecting planes, or do you have a project in mind? If so, what plane do you need for that project. That will answer your question. Cheers, Eric |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:15:01 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote: David's suggestion of the #98/99 pair is also a good one, IMO. Do you see the "crossover" version of this in the USA ? Both sides, with one two-bladed plane - but they're a pig to adjust. -- Do whales have krillfiles ? |
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what an odd response - I'll admit it's not made to the same standards as
my LNs, but after spending about (from what I remember) at least 2 hours tuning it up; it's become an extremely usable plane for smoothing curves. Perhaps the age - its a sweetheart version - has something to do with the quality. On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:14:40 +0000, Andy Dingley wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:37:05 GMT, acronym wrote: you'd be surprised how handy a 151 stanley becomes. They make good boomerangs. Well, they make better boomerangs than spokeshaves, and if you throw one away, not coming back is an advantage. Stanley 151s are rubbish, and the Record and other clones are usually worse. If you want a spokshave that's easy to use, look for an old wooden one, or else the Veritas low-angle one. The first iron-bodied spokeshave I found that worked was the smaller Stanley #63 / #64 model. The adjustable mouth #50somethings are good too, but rare. A Preston is nice, but expensive. |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:49:21 GMT, acronym
wrote: Perhaps the age - its a sweetheart version - has something to do with the quality. Maybe - what did you spend your two hours working on ? Did you have anything resembling a sharp edge under the cap iron, or was it hugely rounded like most are now ? There was a hilarious article in FWW awhile back, where Brian Boggs (who surely knows his spokeshaves) showed how to tune a #151 by throwing most of it away and making new parts. -- There's more than one way to skin a cat... ...but I still prefer the electric belt sander. |
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Andy Dingley wrote in
: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:15:01 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy wrote: David's suggestion of the #98/99 pair is also a good one, IMO. Do you see the "crossover" version of this in the USA ? Both sides, with one two-bladed plane - but they're a pig to adjust. The, um #79? I think that's the number... Anyway, yes, we see those. I am told that not only are they a pain to adjust, but that you have to retract the wrong-way-facing blade when using it, which means you're perpetually readusting it, you can't just leave it set. I haven't used one myself. John |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:20:11 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote: Do you see the "crossover" version of this in the USA ? Both sides, with one two-bladed plane - but they're a pig to adjust. The, um #79? I think that's the number... No, it's not a Stanley at all. Mine is a Preston, I think there's a Record too. The two blades are on top of each other, in an X shape. They don't interfere with each other when working, but they do share the same clamp. The #79 isn't too hard to adjust for both blades simultaneously, you just have to sharpen the blades so they're exact mirrors of each other. -- Do whales have krillfiles ? |
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Andy Dingley wrote in message . ..
No, it's not a Stanley at all. Mine is a Preston, I think there's a Record too. The two blades are on top of each other, in an X shape. They don't interfere with each other when working, but they do share the same clamp. I don't recall seeing anyone making those on this side of the pond. It seems that the #79 or the matching set #98 and #99 are the side-rabbets made here. The #79 isn't too hard to adjust for both blades simultaneously, you just have to sharpen the blades so they're exact mirrors of each other. Oh sure ... that's a breeze. ;-) My problem with the #79 (at least the recent model one I won) is that the way the thing came, once it's set to take an even shaving, the tip of the iron extends so that it will score the work past the bottom of the groove/rabbet/whatever you are widening. To fix it, you have to round off the tip of the iron. (Good luck getting that exactly the same on both irons. :-) Also, on mine, the casting was horribly uneven where the blades bed. My #79 basically sits in my tool cabinet, waiting for those times when I get so desperate that I actually resort to trying to use the d*mn*d thing. :-} Chuck Vance Just say (tmPL) Now that's what I call a "specialty" plane. |
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"Eric Anderson" wrote in message om... I guess what I am really looking for is a plane that takes shavings off (for fine tuning) with the same adeptness that my Veritas shoulder plane does. I think it has the most satisfying "tuning" ability of any of my planes. Oh, the others take off nice shavings, but the Veritas shoulder plane adjusts so finely and the shavings look about 3 or 4 thousandths thick. It is real hard to get the others tuned to that level. I wish I could find a bench plane that would work like that. I would be using it for general purpose, but also for shooting and drawer tune-ups. My LN Large Shoulder Plane (93) takes a very fine shaving, to be sure. The key, of course, is the mouth. The adjustable mouth block planes are about as easy to take a fine shaving because of the simplicity of setting a very narrow mouth. With bench planes, it takes a bit more work. The first thing you have to realize, if dealing with a new LN (and probably Veritas as well), is they come from the factory set for general use. To take a very fine shaving, you will want to close the mouth down to support it. To do this with a LN, you have to look under the blade. There are three screws. The outside screws loosen the frog and the center screw adjusts the frog in a forward or backward manner. Of course, as soon as you move the frog, the blade depth is wrong, so then you have to adjust the depth. When you adjust the depth, the mouth opening is wrong, so you adjust that. And so on... It's not hard, and once you get a feel for it, you won't have to fish for the correct setting so much. Get the blade sharp (and I mean really sharp), get the mouth set very small, get the blade set for a very fine cut, and set the chipbreaker very close to the edge of the blade, tune the chipbreaker so it fits the blade properly, and you should be able to take a very fine shaving with a bench plane. In fact, those 3-4 thou shavings will look like planks compared to what you can take off with a finely tuned bench plane. Cheers, Eric |
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Eric Lund wrote:
Veritas shoulder plane adjusts so finely and the shavings look about 3 or 4 thousandths thick. It is real hard to get the others tuned to key, of course, is the mouth. The adjustable mouth block planes are about and you should be able to take a very fine shaving with a bench plane. In fact, those 3-4 thou shavings will look like planks compared to what you can take off with a finely tuned bench plane. I thought I'd chip in here... I have a 1960-era #5. One of the blue ones, not a Bailey pattern. It looks and feels like a pale shadow of what the glory days of Stanley must have been, and just screams "cheap" and "not made very well." (I got it for $25.) Even with that, I can get shavings that appear to be no more than half a wood cell thick. As you said, it's all about the way it's adjusted. Takes a bit of fiddling, but if this junker can do it, any remotely decent plane can do it. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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I have read that the most important part of a plane is the iron-and
Ron Hock(?) makes the best. Apparently the thicker irons are MUCH better that what comes on the plane from the factory. On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:04:45 -0500, Silvan wrote: Eric Lund wrote: Veritas shoulder plane adjusts so finely and the shavings look about 3 or 4 thousandths thick. It is real hard to get the others tuned to key, of course, is the mouth. The adjustable mouth block planes are about and you should be able to take a very fine shaving with a bench plane. In fact, those 3-4 thou shavings will look like planks compared to what you can take off with a finely tuned bench plane. I thought I'd chip in here... I have a 1960-era #5. One of the blue ones, not a Bailey pattern. It looks and feels like a pale shadow of what the glory days of Stanley must have been, and just screams "cheap" and "not made very well." (I got it for $25.) Even with that, I can get shavings that appear to be no more than half a wood cell thick. As you said, it's all about the way it's adjusted. Takes a bit of fiddling, but if this junker can do it, any remotely decent plane can do it. |
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Well, I ordered a Veritas low angle block plane. Personnally it was
between that and a low angle smoothing plane. Between my thinking and some of the comments of you that have used to low angle block plane I felt that it was the best next purchase. I tried this plane about 3 yrs ago (when it first came out) at a show and it was impressive then when I knew JACK about plane usage. I know I will appreciate it now. John McCoy wrote in message .11... (Eric Anderson) wrote in om: Just thought I would ask the rec what they suggest for the next plane purchase I should consider. Having read the other responses, I agree with Andy & Chuck that a low-angle block plane seems to be something useful that's missing from your list. I have an L-N #102 that is far and away the most used plane in my shop - I doubt there's a day I don't pick it up at least once. Andy will point out that the Stanley #102 is a totally different plane (and is crap). David's suggestion of the #98/99 pair is also a good one, IMO. I have the L-N set, and have found them on occasion to be extremely handy for adjusting a dado which was just a tad tight. You might also consider a rabbet plane, like the #78. I generally use the power router to cut rabbets, but occasionally it's fun to do some by hand. Someone suggested the low-angle jack, the L-N #62. I'd reccommend against that, I have one but rarely find myself using it. If your other smoothers work well, then it would be redundant. A full size jointer, a #7 or #8 might be worthwhile. It would be partly redundant on the #6, but on the other hand there's something satisfying about using a really big long plane to prepare an edge. Speaking of edges, it's surprising how nice a result you can get with a #66 hand beader; so there's another tool to consider. John |
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Lawrence A. Ramsey wrote:
I have read that the most important part of a plane is the iron-and Ron Hock(?) makes the best. Apparently the thicker irons are MUCH better that what comes on the plane from the factory. Mine still have the stock irons, FWIW. I'd like to try a thick one some day. Chatter *has* been a problem. Chatter is irritating. I can still get ultra thin shavings out of this thing though, even with all the crappy stock parts. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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