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Last Saturday I was at an auction and was looking at the tools which happened
to be inside . Another person was also broswing. The owner had made a number of wodden jigs for his table saw ranging from a miter sled to a tennoning jig. Just to make conversation with the other person, I stated that the owner and been rather prolific and had a lot of jigs to go with the saw. The person gave me that knowing look and said "their fixtures - you need to be careful and not call fixtures jigs" Well, my response was I'm a bit of a newbie at his (which is true) but everything I have read and heard refers to these things as jigs - fixtures is a new way of naming these things" Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" Michael |
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My bet is that in the machine shop, and in the machinist' world, the
difference is probably more pronounced/important/politically correct than it is in woodworking. There is, at least semantically, a difference. To paraphrase, precisely, one of my old books: "A jig is a device used to maintain mechanically the correct positional relationship between a piece of work and the tool or between parts of work during assembly, and a fixture is a device for supporting work during machining." Then again, I/it could be all wet. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 9/21/03 "MHaseltine" wrote in message Last Saturday I was at an auction and was looking at the tools which happened to be inside . Another person was also broswing. The owner had made a number of wodden jigs for his table saw ranging from a miter sled to a tennoning jig. Just to make conversation with the other person, I stated that the owner and been rather prolific and had a lot of jigs to go with the saw. The person gave me that knowing look and said "their fixtures - you need to be careful and not call fixtures jigs" Well, my response was I'm a bit of a newbie at his (which is true) but everything I have read and heard refers to these things as jigs - fixtures is a new way of naming these things" Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" Michael |
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"Swingman" writes:
My bet is that in the machine shop, and in the machinist' world, the difference is probably more pronounced/important/politically correct than it is in woodworking. There is, at least semantically, a difference. To paraphrase, precisely, one of my old books: "A jig is a device used to maintain mechanically the correct positional relationship between a piece of work and the tool or between parts of work during assembly, and a fixture is a device for supporting work during machining." Then again, I/it could be all wet. Maybe the difference is more subtle: "A jig is a device for holding the wood relative to the tool, and a fixture is a jig used by people who think they know the difference." IMHO, if it moves, it can't be a FIXture, because it's not fixed in place. OTOH, if it doesn't dance, can it be a jig? Ok, I'll quit now. Here's my excuse for bad puns (warning - lots of photos on this page): http://www.delorie.com/photos/shed/ (note the snow in the last few pictures - sigh) I used a lot of jigs building that. They danced out of my hands a few times. |
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That makes the figs then.
"Swingman" wrote in message ... : My bet is that in the machine shop, and in the machinist' world, the : difference is probably more pronounced/important/politically correct than it : is in woodworking. : : There is, at least semantically, a difference. To paraphrase, precisely, one : of my old books: "A jig is a device used to maintain mechanically the : correct positional relationship between a piece of work and the tool or : between parts of work during assembly, and a fixture is a device for : supporting work during machining." : : Then again, I/it could be all wet. : : -- : www.e-woodshop.net : Last update: 9/21/03 : : "MHaseltine" wrote in message : Last Saturday I was at an auction and was looking at the tools which : happened : to be inside . Another person was also broswing. The owner had made a : number : of wodden jigs for his table saw ranging from a miter sled to a tennoning : jig. : Just to make conversation with the other person, I stated that the owner : and : been rather prolific and had a lot of jigs to go with the saw. The person : gave : me that knowing look and said "their fixtures - you need to be careful and : not : call fixtures jigs" Well, my response was I'm a bit of a newbie at his : (which : is true) but everything I have read and heard refers to these things as : jigs - : fixtures is a new way of naming these things" : : Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" : : Michael : : |
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His "knowing look" probably had more to do with the racial connotation that
jig carries. Pretty silly to my way of thinking, in this day and time. In my experience the "knowing look" is usually accompanied by a snicker or SEG, and usually comes from a racist. Flames welcomed. -- Bill Pounds http://www.bill.pounds.net/woodshop "MHaseltine" wrote in message ... Last Saturday I was at an auction and was looking at the tools which happened to be inside . Another person was also broswing. The owner had made a number of wodden jigs for his table saw ranging from a miter sled to a tennoning jig. Just to make conversation with the other person, I stated that the owner and been rather prolific and had a lot of jigs to go with the saw. The person gave me that knowing look and said "their fixtures - you need to be careful and not call fixtures jigs" Well, my response was I'm a bit of a newbie at his (which is true) but everything I have read and heard refers to these things as jigs - fixtures is a new way of naming these things" Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" Michael |
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"MHaseltine" wrote in message ... | | Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" Basic difference: a fixture holds/guides the stock; a jig holds/guides the tool. A fixture is a device used to hold stock in place while you work on it. A vise, by this definition, is a sort of universal fixture. Assignment #1, first week of class: design a fixture for a brake disc. Classical solution: first square the stock, then use a generic square fixture to hold the stock while you drill the radial hole pattern, then make a fixture with the same hole pattern and bolt the stock to it while you machine the profile (grooves/holes, circular outline, etc.). And yes, this is metalworking, not woodworking, but the definition ought still to apply. A jig may be a fixture in that to do its job it must also secure the workpiece. But the primary role of the jig is to guide the tool, whether or not it also secures the stock. In the modern manufacturing world where you can have CNC machinery the notion of a jig is somewhat outdated. You just tell the tool where to go, and how fast, and it happens. In our world, where we have generalized hand-controlled tools, jigs take the form of pocket-hole devices, router templates, guide rails, etc. that constrain the motion of the tool to the path we wish it to follow. A pocket-hole jig is an example of a jig that doesn't also need to be a fixture. You fasten the jig to the workpiece and it guides the tool, but the stock can be held any way necessary or comfortable. Some dovetail jigs also function as fixtures because they hold the stock in place (since you'll have both hands on the router) as well as guide the router through a profile. "Fixture" would be the proper term associated with holding stock for use in a table saw. Many CNC systems also work by moving the stock, so "fixturing" need not be interpreted as "holding the workpiece stationary" but rather by holding the workpiece firm in a certain coordinate system of the tool. If a tool works by moving a platform -- with workpiece attached -- along a path relative to a stationary cutting bit, then a "fixture" would ensure that the workpiece does not move relative to the platform. --Jay |
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My book said basically the same thing, only a hell of a lot less windley.
gd&r -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 9/21/03 "Jay Windley" wrote in message A fixture is a device used to hold stock in place while you work on it. A vise, by this definition, is a sort of universal fixture. Assignment #1, snip |
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This sounds to me like one of those freaking irritating know it all type of
people who feel they MUST correct everyone all the time so everyone else will talk like they do. Their way is correct, everyone else is wrong. These idiots really gripe my ass ya know? Its not like the creep didn't know what you were talking about, he just had to correct you anyway. Its some sort of compulsive thing I guess. Jig, fixture who cares? I would have known fully well what you were speaking of if I had been the other guy, therefore no correction from me would have been necessary at all. Jim "MHaseltine" wrote in message ... Last Saturday I was at an auction and was looking at the tools which happened to be inside . Another person was also broswing. The owner had made a number of wodden jigs for his table saw ranging from a miter sled to a tennoning jig. Just to make conversation with the other person, I stated that the owner and been rather prolific and had a lot of jigs to go with the saw. The person gave me that knowing look and said "their fixtures - you need to be careful and not call fixtures jigs" Well, my response was I'm a bit of a newbie at his (which is true) but everything I have read and heard refers to these things as jigs - fixtures is a new way of naming these things" Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" Michael |
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Thank you all for the information - I really hadn't heard the use of the word
"fixture" before but then I am a newbie and haven't worked in a production shop. Again a geniune thanks Michael |
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Been making sawdust for 48 years and never heard of anything but jigs and I
didn't read a book to get this info. Have never heard another woodworker call them anything else either But when you really come down to it does it really matter what you call them ??? Doohickey sounds good, so does thingamafrig Geez I hope I haven't insulted anyone here "MHaseltine" wrote in message ... Last Saturday I was at an auction and was looking at the tools which happened to be inside . Another person was also broswing. The owner had made a number of wodden jigs for his table saw ranging from a miter sled to a tennoning jig. Just to make conversation with the other person, I stated that the owner and been rather prolific and had a lot of jigs to go with the saw. The person gave me that knowing look and said "their fixtures - you need to be careful and not call fixtures jigs" Well, my response was I'm a bit of a newbie at his (which is true) but everything I have read and heard refers to these things as jigs - fixtures is a new way of naming these things" Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" Michael |
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"James D Kountz" wrote in message ... | | Jig, fixture who cares? I really don't, prior post nothwithstanding. None of my mechanical engineering and machinist colleagues care. They all use "jig" and "fixture" interchangeably ("jig" mostly). I know the difference, but I don't often respect the difference. Especially with the kind of tooling I deal with, the differences aren't usually important. The original poster asked if he had been looking at "jigs" or "fixtures". Well, if you *really* have to know the difference, there's a way to tell, and I used to have to teach this so I know the difference. But the guy who's saying, "You need to be careful and not call jigs fixtures," is vastly overstating the issue. If you said something like that around our manufacturers they'd laugh and accuse you of being some sort of Tool Nazi. If you want to call a jig a fixture, or a fixture a jig, or call it all "tooling" (which I do a lot), or point to it and call it a "thinga-ma-bob", you'll probably find me doing it right alongside you. --Jay |
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I haven't a clue what the hell you are talking about.
"Pounds on Wood" wrote in message ... His "knowing look" probably had more to do with the racial connotation that jig carries. Pretty silly to my way of thinking, in this day and time. In my experience the "knowing look" is usually accompanied by a snicker or SEG, and usually comes from a racist. Flames welcomed. -- Bill Pounds http://www.bill.pounds.net/woodshop "MHaseltine" wrote in message ... Last Saturday I was at an auction and was looking at the tools which happened to be inside . Another person was also broswing. The owner had made a number of wodden jigs for his table saw ranging from a miter sled to a tennoning jig. Just to make conversation with the other person, I stated that the owner and been rather prolific and had a lot of jigs to go with the saw. The person gave me that knowing look and said "their fixtures - you need to be careful and not call fixtures jigs" Well, my response was I'm a bit of a newbie at his (which is true) but everything I have read and heard refers to these things as jigs - fixtures is a new way of naming these things" Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" Michael |
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You have the correct definition. BTW, most machinists don't know the
difference either. "Swingman" wrote in message ... My bet is that in the machine shop, and in the machinist' world, the difference is probably more pronounced/important/politically correct than it is in woodworking. There is, at least semantically, a difference. To paraphrase, precisely, one of my old books: "A jig is a device used to maintain mechanically the correct positional relationship between a piece of work and the tool or between parts of work during assembly, and a fixture is a device for supporting work during machining." Then again, I/it could be all wet. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 9/21/03 "MHaseltine" wrote in message Last Saturday I was at an auction and was looking at the tools which happened to be inside . Another person was also broswing. The owner had made a number of wodden jigs for his table saw ranging from a miter sled to a tennoning jig. Just to make conversation with the other person, I stated that the owner and been rather prolific and had a lot of jigs to go with the saw. The person gave me that knowing look and said "their fixtures - you need to be careful and not call fixtures jigs" Well, my response was I'm a bit of a newbie at his (which is true) but everything I have read and heard refers to these things as jigs - fixtures is a new way of naming these things" Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" Michael |
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Sounds like someone who is wrong a lot and gets tired of being reminded of
it. "James D Kountz" wrote in message ... This sounds to me like one of those freaking irritating know it all type of people who feel they MUST correct everyone all the time so everyone else will talk like they do. Their way is correct, everyone else is wrong. These idiots really gripe my ass ya know? Its not like the creep didn't know what you were talking about, he just had to correct you anyway. Its some sort of compulsive thing I guess. Jig, fixture who cares? I would have known fully well what you were speaking of if I had been the other guy, therefore no correction from me would have been necessary at all. |
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"Jay Windley" writes:
"MHaseltine" wrote in message ... | | Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" Basic difference: a fixture holds/guides the stock; a jig holds/guides the tool. So a "sharpening jig" would really be a "sharpening fixture", since it holds the stock (i.e. the blade to be sharpened) and not the tool (the sharpening stone)? -- Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869 Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23 |
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Changint it from old "pond" to the new "water feature" lets the contractor
mark-up at least 40% right off the bat! s -- SwampBug --------------------- "Fly-by-Night CC" wrote in message news In article , (MHaseltine) wrote: Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" My wife works at the corporate HQ for a hi-tech computer company here in Oregon. That thingie between the buildings with the ducks swimming in and geese milling around it, with the trees overhanging, with the cat-tails and lilypads, and croaking frogs is NOT a pond, but a... "water feature ". -- Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design. http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html |
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http://miva3.synergydns.net/Merchant...ols-term-multi
-- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 9/21/03 "Juergen Hannappel" wrote in message So a "sharpening jig" would really be a "sharpening fixture", since it holds the stock (i.e. the blade to be sharpened) and not the tool (the sharpening stone)? |
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CW,
I'm not certain but I'll give it a shot. In the same vein as California's recent attempt to remove hurtful and politically incorrect language (e.g., slave, as in "slave-cylinder"--gotta laugh at that one) from all areas of public discourse, POW imagines that the other WW's "knowing look" was the product of his own (racist) politically correct ideology, stemming from his understanding of the word jig as a racial derogatory (shortened form of "jigaboo"). A kinder judgment of the other WW might see him as trying to be (overly) sensitive, but I guess it depends where you stand on the "politically correct" issue. Jig has been a common term among rednecks for a long time. See a brief explanation of it, and other such, at: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml H. "CW" wrote in message news:KYvCb.331162$Dw6.1111058@attbi_s02... I haven't a clue what the hell you are talking about. "Pounds on Wood" wrote in message ... His "knowing look" probably had more to do with the racial connotation that jig carries. Pretty silly to my way of thinking, in this day and time. In my experience the "knowing look" is usually accompanied by a snicker or SEG, and usually comes from a racist. Flames welcomed. -- Bill Pounds http://www.bill.pounds.net/woodshop "MHaseltine" wrote in message ... Last Saturday I was at an auction and was looking at the tools which happened to be inside . Another person was also broswing. The owner had made a number of wodden jigs for his table saw ranging from a miter sled to a tennoning jig. Just to make conversation with the other person, I stated that the owner and been rather prolific and had a lot of jigs to go with the saw. The person gave me that knowing look and said "their fixtures - you need to be careful and not call fixtures jigs" Well, my response was I'm a bit of a newbie at his (which is true) but everything I have read and heard refers to these things as jigs - fixtures is a new way of naming these things" Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" Michael |
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I've lived in the heart of Red-neckville for twenty years and never heard
the term. As it is a long standing legitimate term with no racist overtones, I can only guess that it is one of those things that people think long and hard to find a way to be offended by it. "Hylourgos" wrote in message om... CW, Jig has been a common term among rednecks for a long time. See a brief explanation of it, and other such, at: |
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"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message ... In article BtNCb.533006$HS4.4072535@attbi_s01, says... I've lived in the heart of Red-neckville for twenty years and never heard the term. I remember it being used racially when I was growing up in Kentucky. It had been some 50 years since I'd heard it used that way until last year when someone even older than I used it that way. I agree that most folks have never heard the racial slur, so it's an ovrreaction to object to "jig" used in either of it's normal definitions. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jigaboo |
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"Tom Watson" wrote in message s.com... On 12 Dec 2003 19:06:22 GMT, (MHaseltine) wrote: Well, my silly question is, "Are these jigs or fixtures?" And my silly answer is: If they are moving in 3/4 time, to a fairly fast tempo, they are prolly Jigs. At a slower tempo they might be Waltzes. If the 3/4 is further tortured to a 6/8 and sprightly done (with more than one), a Tarantella. Don't forget about slip-jigs, reels, airs, slow airs, marches, strathspeys, strathspey airs & polkas |
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In article m,
says... "Larry Blanchard" wrote in message I agree that most folks have never heard the racial slur, so it's an ovrreaction to object to "jig" used in either of it's normal definitions. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jigaboo So it's in the dictionary. So is "buggywhip". And your point is? -- Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs? |
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I've lived mostly in NV, NC, and TN, and I've heard it a good deal, as
a racist term mostly in its full form but sometimes the shortened form, in lots of discourse--guess I've been keepin' worse company.... I don't see any harm in "jig" when the context is obviously mechanical, but then again I'm not black and I don't have to worry about being sensitive to those kinds of names. I won't presume to say what should or should not be a sensitive issue for someone else. If the context were in doubt I'd be happy to use the word fixture if that makes someone else less defensive. No skin off my back... Trying to keep my dogmas unfixed, H "CW" wrote in message news:BtNCb.533006$HS4.4072535@attbi_s01... I've lived in the heart of Red-neckville for twenty years and never heard the term. As it is a long standing legitimate term with no racist overtones, I can only guess that it is one of those things that people think long and hard to find a way to be offended by it. "Hylourgos" wrote in message om... CW, Jig has been a common term among rednecks for a long time. See a brief explanation of it, and other such, at: |
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So any word that can be rearranged to mean a racial term should not be used.
Who comes up with this idiocy? "Hylourgos" wrote in message om... I've lived mostly in NV, NC, and TN, and I've heard it a good deal, as a racist term mostly in its full form but sometimes the shortened form, in lots of discourse--guess I've been keepin' worse company.... I don't see any harm in "jig" when the context is obviously mechanical, but then again I'm not black and I don't have to worry about being sensitive to those kinds of names. I won't presume to say what should or should not be a sensitive issue for someone else. If the context were in doubt I'd be happy to use the word fixture if that makes someone else less defensive. No skin off my back... Trying to keep my dogmas unfixed, H "CW" wrote in message news:BtNCb.533006$HS4.4072535@attbi_s01... I've lived in the heart of Red-neckville for twenty years and never heard the term. As it is a long standing legitimate term with no racist overtones, I can only guess that it is one of those things that people think long and hard to find a way to be offended by it. "Hylourgos" wrote in message om... CW, Jig has been a common term among rednecks for a long time. See a brief explanation of it, and other such, at: |
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One of my closest friends is an older black man. It's been said that this
group is the most sensitive because they have lived through a very deameaning time and were the primary targets. Knowing I work with wood and have often used the term "jig" in his presence. He sees the term for the context that it was delivered and takes no offense. Of course, he can only speak for himself and I agree with the person that said he could use the term "fixture" just as easy if it will spare feelings. While I think that political correctness can go to far, we all have to decide which side of the mountain to die on and this just isn't a show stopper for me. Don "CW" wrote in message news:Rt7Db.542739$HS4.4130182@attbi_s01... So any word that can be rearranged to mean a racial term should not be used. Who comes up with this idiocy? "Hylourgos" wrote in message om... I've lived mostly in NV, NC, and TN, and I've heard it a good deal, as a racist term mostly in its full form but sometimes the shortened form, in lots of discourse--guess I've been keepin' worse company.... I don't see any harm in "jig" when the context is obviously mechanical, but then again I'm not black and I don't have to worry about being sensitive to those kinds of names. I won't presume to say what should or should not be a sensitive issue for someone else. If the context were in doubt I'd be happy to use the word fixture if that makes someone else less defensive. No skin off my back... Trying to keep my dogmas unfixed, H "CW" wrote in message news:BtNCb.533006$HS4.4072535@attbi_s01... I've lived in the heart of Red-neckville for twenty years and never heard the term. As it is a long standing legitimate term with no racist overtones, I can only guess that it is one of those things that people think long and hard to find a way to be offended by it. "Hylourgos" wrote in message om... CW, Jig has been a common term among rednecks for a long time. See a brief explanation of it, and other such, at: |
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"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message ... In article m, says... "Larry Blanchard" wrote in message I agree that most folks have never heard the racial slur, so it's an ovrreaction to object to "jig" used in either of it's normal definitions. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jigaboo So it's in the dictionary. So is "buggywhip". And your point is? Well, I thought that people might want to know the definition for reference. Didn't know you were gonna stick a 2x4 down your panties and turn it 30 times. |
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"PM6564" wrote in message .com... Well, I thought that people might want to know the definition for reference. Didn't know you were gonna stick a 2x4 down your panties and turn it 30 times. You gave a definition of a another word than what was being discussed. So by your reasoning, best and bestiality mean the same thing. |
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Hi CW,
I'm not sure what you mean by "rearranged" so I can't speak to that. I'm in love with Norma Loquendi (pace Safire) and historical linguistics, though, so my interest in the many different ways that words acquire and change meanings has its practical uses. I despise political correctness, which I *think* is what you're referring to. My point speaks to a simple "do unto others..." approach. That, and the fact that I grew up with minorities as friends, has taught me not to pretend a knowledge of what should or should not make someone else offended, until I understand them sufficiently. I'm not, BTW arguing for the abolition of the word jig, as you'll note from my original post. I was just explaining why another WW might have made the point he did with a knowing glance. H "CW" wrote in message news:Rt7Db.542739$HS4.4130182@attbi_s01... So any word that can be rearranged to mean a racial term should not be used. Who comes up with this idiocy? "Hylourgos" wrote in message om... I've lived mostly in NV, NC, and TN, and I've heard it a good deal, as a racist term mostly in its full form but sometimes the shortened form, in lots of discourse--guess I've been keepin' worse company.... I don't see any harm in "jig" when the context is obviously mechanical, but then again I'm not black and I don't have to worry about being sensitive to those kinds of names. I won't presume to say what should or should not be a sensitive issue for someone else. If the context were in doubt I'd be happy to use the word fixture if that makes someone else less defensive. No skin off my back... Trying to keep my dogmas unfixed, H "CW" wrote in message news:BtNCb.533006$HS4.4072535@attbi_s01... I've lived in the heart of Red-neckville for twenty years and never heard the term. As it is a long standing legitimate term with no racist overtones, I can only guess that it is one of those things that people think long and hard to find a way to be offended by it. "Hylourgos" wrote in message om... CW, Jig has been a common term among rednecks for a long time. See a brief explanation of it, and other such, at: |
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"CW" wrote in message newsymDb.399643$275.1266973@attbi_s53... "PM6564" wrote in message .com... Well, I thought that people might want to know the definition for reference. Didn't know you were gonna stick a 2x4 down your panties and turn it 30 times. You gave a definition of a another word than what was being discussed. So by your reasoning, best and bestiality mean the same thing. What do you think the root of the word is? The word in question was jig (as used as an ethnic slur) It's root word is jigaboo. Kind of like yank and yankee. |
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You're reaching. There seems to be a group of people that, for lack of a
real life, sit around and try to find something to be offended by. You appear to be one of those. Bye. Plonk. "PM6564" wrote in message .com... "CW" wrote in message newsymDb.399643$275.1266973@attbi_s53... "PM6564" wrote in message .com... Well, I thought that people might want to know the definition for reference. Didn't know you were gonna stick a 2x4 down your panties and turn it 30 times. You gave a definition of a another word than what was being discussed. So by your reasoning, best and bestiality mean the same thing. What do you think the root of the word is? The word in question was jig (as used as an ethnic slur) It's root word is jigaboo. Kind of like yank and yankee. |
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PM6564 wrote:
What do you think the root of the word is? The word in question was jig (as used as an ethnic slur) It's root word is jigaboo. Kind of like yank and yankee. Is it? Do you have any interesting sources to substantiate that, or is that just folk etymology? I have a dictionary with a pretty good amount of etymological information, and it says nothing about the jig/jigaboo relationship in reference to any of the definitions for "jig (1)" such as the dance (from /gigue/), a joke, blah blah, "a device for guiding a tool or for holding machine work in place." It has the jig/jigaboo thing for "jig (2)" (American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th ed. BTW) -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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PM6564 wrote:
What do you think the root of the word is? The word in question was jig (as used as an ethnic slur) It's root word is jigaboo. Kind of like yank and yankee. Main Entry: 1jig Pronunciation: 'jig Function: noun Etymology: perhaps from Middle French giguer to frolic, from gigue fiddle, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German gIga fiddle; akin to Old Norse geiga to turn aside Date: circa 1560 1 a : any of several lively springy dances in triple rhythm b : music to which a jig may be danced 2 : TRICK, GAME -- used chiefly in the phrase the jig is up 3 a : any of several fishing devices that are jerked up and down or drawn through the water b : a device used to maintain mechanically the correct positional relationship between a piece of work and the tool or between parts of work during assembly c : a device in which crushed ore is concentrated or coal is cleaned by agitating in water - in jig time : in a short time : QUICKLY -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN http://www.mortimerschnerd.com |
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"Silvan" wrote in message ... PM6564 wrote: What do you think the root of the word is? The word in question was jig (as used as an ethnic slur) It's root word is jigaboo. Kind of like yank and yankee. Is it? Do you have any interesting sources to substantiate that, or is that just folk etymology? I have a dictionary with a pretty good amount of etymological information, and it says nothing about the jig/jigaboo relationship in reference to any of the definitions for "jig (1)" such as the dance (from /gigue/), a joke, blah blah, "a device for guiding a tool or for holding machine work in place." It has the jig/jigaboo thing for "jig (2)" (American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th ed. BTW) -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ Here's the first one I came across: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jig I tried to copy and paste it but it grabs everything including the HTML. Could you explain your second part? "the jig/jigaboo relationship in reference to any of the definitions for "jig (1)" such as the dance (from /gigue/), a joke, blah blah, "a device for guiding a tool or for holding machine work in place." It has the jig/jigaboo thing for "jig (2)" That confused the hell out of me. |
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"CW" wrote in message news:RnxDb.554967$HS4.4234882@attbi_s01... You're reaching. There seems to be a group of people that, for lack of a real life, sit around and try to find something to be offended by. You appear to be one of those. Bye. Plonk. BWAHAHAHAHA I guess those "English as a second language" classes aren't working out for you huh?. |
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"Pounds on Wood" wrote in message ...
His "knowing look" probably had more to do with the racial connotation that jig carries. Pretty silly to my way of thinking, in this day and time. In my experience the "knowing look" is usually accompanied by a snicker or SEG, and usually comes from a racist. Flames welcomed. FWIW I can second the racial connotation that jig (may) carry. While I have never actually heard it used in that way, I remember some years back (early 70s) when I would go ice fishing with my father. "Jigging" was the act of fishing with a short pole and a small "jig" with a "mousy" (a little grub). Periodically you quickly flick the pole up and down to make the jig wiggle in the water. Anyway there were a few fishermen who my father worked with (of the African-American persuasion) that would only refer to it as "gigging" (hard G). Dad had to explain to me that at some point in history the word "jig" had a negative racial connotation. It was kind of obscure then and that was 30 years ago. There are many words that have or had negative connotations in the past. I don't like the whole PC movement, but believe you should also be sensitive to people's feelings and not just say "It's OK because it's in the dictionary" cop out. I don't use the phrase "Call a spade a spade" nor would I ever use the word "niggardly" even though they both have legitimate meanings. I think most reasonable people can see why. However unless I see wide spread use of the word "jig" in a negative way, I will continue to use it to describe my fixtures (or lack of - I have a large to-do list of jigs to make, but only a few hanging around my shop). -Chris |
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Jig:
A trolling bait, consisting of a bright spoon and a hook attached fits, eh? |
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