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Greetings All,
I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement and need an
idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but not hidden. I'm sure
you all are like me, with all sorts of nuts, bolts, screws, widget holders,
ad infinitium.... I have the cheap organizers that can be bought just about
anywhere, blue sheet metal chassis with thin plastic (sometimes sliding)
drawers. This just don't cut it any more. I need something with different
sized drawers, fairly abuse resistant, and something that can be labeled on
the front so I know what's what. I think McFeeleys may have something, so
I'll look there also. I know some people still like the old baby food jars
with the lid screwed to a shelf bottom, I'd rather not..... Anyone have a
good system they'd like to brag about??? Thanks as always, Mark


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Greetings All,
I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement and need
an idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but not hidden. I'm
sure you all are like me, with all sorts of nuts, bolts, screws, widget
holders, ad infinitium.... I have the cheap organizers that can be bought
just about anywhere, blue sheet metal chassis with thin plastic (sometimes
sliding) drawers. This just don't cut it any more. I need something with
different sized drawers, fairly abuse resistant, and something that can be
labeled on the front so I know what's what. I think McFeeleys may have
something, so I'll look there also. I know some people still like the old
baby food jars with the lid screwed to a shelf bottom, I'd rather not.....
Anyone have a good system they'd like to brag about??? Thanks as always,
Mark



Mark I have been using "Steel" parts bins drawers for 20+ years and they
still seem to be the answer to storage solutions of screws, nuts, bolts,
etc. The bin drawers are painted "steel" and measure about 10" deep, 5"
wide and 3" tall. They are housed in a steel cabinet 3 rows high and 6
columns wide. I also have a smaller steel cabinet with same sized drawers 1
row high by 6 columns wide. Each drawer has notches that will let you put
in steel dividers every 1.5" inches or so front to back. Each drawer will
allow about 8 separate compartments.

You don't see these in retail stores as they are normally used in commercial
settings such as in the "parts departments" in automobile dealerships.
These storage drawers bins will last you a life time.


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Greetings All,
I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement and need
an idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but not hidden. I'm
sure you all are like me, with all sorts of nuts, bolts, screws, widget
holders, ad infinitium.... I have the cheap organizers that can be
bought just about anywhere, blue sheet metal chassis with thin plastic
(sometimes sliding) drawers. This just don't cut it any more. I need
something with different sized drawers, fairly abuse resistant, and
something that can be labeled on the front so I know what's what. I
think McFeeleys may have something, so I'll look there also. I know some
people still like the old baby food jars with the lid screwed to a shelf
bottom, I'd rather not..... Anyone have a good system they'd like to brag
about??? Thanks as always, Mark



Mark I have been using "Steel" parts bins drawers for 20+ years and they
still seem to be the answer to storage solutions of screws, nuts, bolts,
etc. The bin drawers are painted "steel" and measure about 10" deep, 5"
wide and 3" tall. They are housed in a steel cabinet 3 rows high and 6
columns wide. I also have a smaller steel cabinet with same sized drawers
1 row high by 6 columns wide. Each drawer has notches that will let you
put in steel dividers every 1.5" inches or so front to back. Each drawer
will allow about 8 separate compartments.

You don't see these in retail stores as they are normally used in
commercial settings such as in the "parts departments" in automobile
dealerships. These storage drawers bins will last you a life time.

Thanks, maybe a look at McMaster or J&L will turn something up....


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On 23 Mar, 19:45, "mark" wrote:

I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement and need an
idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but not hidden.


Hide it, just hide it in the right place. I can't see anything in my
place, but I can walk straight over to where it _ought_ to be, and
it's actually there. I can root through by elimination to find the
exact size, so long as I don't have to go through more than one crate
and certainly not the whole workshop.

Four dozen plastic tubs from Ikea (the blue plastic ones for a buck -
about 18" x 12") on shelves just wide enough to hold them end-on.
Nothing else goes on those shelves. Nothing is allowed to stick out
beyond the tub space. Everything in them is at least vaguely sorted so
that I _can_ go straight to the right tub.

Buying screws from the brand where the boxes last more than 5 minutes
and 2 openings.

Keeping an "on-site screwbox" in my toolbag, a cheap plastic divider
case sufficient to carry all the common screw sizes I need for an on-
site job. No more screw boxes getting squished in the bottom of the
bag. No more litter of screws in the bottom of the bag.

Ziploc bags. Stuff like nuts and big bolts goes in these, then into a
blue tub. One tub is "Below M6" one is "M6 and above". That's enough
to keep me sorted.

Ikea's plywood drawer boxes (3" x 4" size). This is enough to sort
"locks", "cabinet hinges", "brass knobs" etc. I can't make them for
that price.

A steel filing cabinet with two-dozen A4 sized shallow drawers in it
does most of my fine tools.
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On 23 Mar, 19:45, "mark" wrote:

I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement and need
an
idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but not hidden.


Hide it, just hide it in the right place. I can't see anything in my
place, but I can walk straight over to where it _ought_ to be, and
it's actually there. I can root through by elimination to find the
exact size, so long as I don't have to go through more than one crate
and certainly not the whole workshop.

Four dozen plastic tubs from Ikea (the blue plastic ones for a buck -
about 18" x 12") on shelves just wide enough to hold them end-on.
Nothing else goes on those shelves. Nothing is allowed to stick out
beyond the tub space. Everything in them is at least vaguely sorted so
that I _can_ go straight to the right tub.

Buying screws from the brand where the boxes last more than 5 minutes
and 2 openings.

Keeping an "on-site screwbox" in my toolbag, a cheap plastic divider
case sufficient to carry all the common screw sizes I need for an on-
site job. No more screw boxes getting squished in the bottom of the
bag. No more litter of screws in the bottom of the bag.

Ziploc bags. Stuff like nuts and big bolts goes in these, then into a
blue tub. One tub is "Below M6" one is "M6 and above". That's enough
to keep me sorted.

Ikea's plywood drawer boxes (3" x 4" size). This is enough to sort
"locks", "cabinet hinges", "brass knobs" etc. I can't make them for
that price.

A steel filing cabinet with two-dozen A4 sized shallow drawers in it
does most of my fine tools.

Like the idea of the Ikea boxes, I'll look next time I go. I just wish I
had the memory to remember where everything is in the basement. For me, out
of sight is out of mind rings very true....




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Greetings All,
I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement and need an
idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but not hidden. I'm sure
you all are like me, with all sorts of nuts, bolts, screws, widget holders,
ad infinitium.... I have the cheap organizers that can be bought just about
anywhere, blue sheet metal chassis with thin plastic (sometimes sliding)
drawers. This just don't cut it any more. I need something with different
sized drawers, fairly abuse resistant, and something that can be labeled on
the front so I know what's what. I think McFeeleys may have something, so
I'll look there also. I know some people still like the old baby food jars
with the lid screwed to a shelf bottom, I'd rather not..... Anyone have a
good system they'd like to brag about??? Thanks as always, Mark

I use this type:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=93198

Mine were a bit less money and came with hanging strips, but same principle...
I like this method because I can grab a bin or 2 and take them to what ever part
of the shop I'm working in...

I have 30 or 40 or these in various parts of the shop and a bright yellow
sorting bin hanging in easy reach... Dump a bin of washers or whatever in, grab
what you want and put them back in the bin..


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Greetings All,
I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement and need
an idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but not hidden. I'm
sure you all are like me, with all sorts of nuts, bolts, screws, widget
holders, ad infinitium.... I have the cheap organizers that can be
bought just about anywhere, blue sheet metal chassis with thin plastic
(sometimes sliding) drawers. This just don't cut it any more. I need
something with different sized drawers, fairly abuse resistant, and
something that can be labeled on the front so I know what's what. I
think McFeeleys may have something, so I'll look there also. I know some
people still like the old baby food jars with the lid screwed to a shelf
bottom, I'd rather not..... Anyone have a good system they'd like to brag
about??? Thanks as always, Mark



Mark I have been using "Steel" parts bins drawers for 20+ years and they
still seem to be the answer to storage solutions of screws, nuts, bolts,
etc. The bin drawers are painted "steel" and measure about 10" deep, 5"
wide and 3" tall. They are housed in a steel cabinet 3 rows high and 6
columns wide. I also have a smaller steel cabinet with same sized drawers
1 row high by 6 columns wide. Each drawer has notches that will let you
put in steel dividers every 1.5" inches or so front to back. Each drawer
will allow about 8 separate compartments.

You don't see these in retail stores as they are normally used in
commercial settings such as in the "parts departments" in automobile
dealerships. These storage drawers bins will last you a life time.

Thanks, maybe a look at McMaster or J&L will turn something up....


Depending on the quantity and size I use several different containers -

For large hardware, hoses, etc - I use the flip top bins that are about
18 inches by 12 inches by 12 inches. I find that I can put a whole lot
in them (e.g. 40 strings of christmas lights) and with translucent
sides, I can get a good idea of what is in them.

For Nails and Screws in 5 lbs box size - I typically leave them in the
boxes until they are about 1/2 empty (or the box wears out) - then I
move them to plastic bins that fit in bin racks - mine are portable and
have a handle on top (holding 12 bins) - I have not see the holders in a
while.

When I get to the last few I use solid divider clear plastic keep boxes
about 12 x 9 x 1.5 inches - to put the last few in or small parts that
come in baggies. Most of mine have 15 or so compartments - so I can get
a lot of different things in one box - I have one for picture hanging
and other indoor fasteners - I have another one for brass screws,
washers, etc. - i have one for electrical parts (wire nuts,etc) and so
on. I have a total of about 10 of them - all in an old kitchen cabinet
on the wall.

I use the Ikea 12 x 18 bins for sand paper and other consumables - I
built a set of 12 x 18 x 28 inch high racks for the bins and store the
rack under the work bench - when I need to move it, I grab the handle
that I routed in the top and carry it out to my work location.

Hope this helps.

Doug
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I use empty 3 lb. coffee cans with labels - machine screws, wood screws,
etc. I also have some drawer-type bins for smaller stuff like washers,
nuts, etc., but the cans are easiest to use...and they hold a LOT. Don't
try to pick up a nearly full one with one hand if you value your toes. I
just dump the contents out on the bench, find what I need and shovel the
stuff back in.

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Greetings All,
I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement and need
an idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but not hidden. I'm
sure you all are like me, with all sorts of nuts, bolts, screws, widget
holders, ad infinitium.... I have the cheap organizers that can be bought
just about anywhere, blue sheet metal chassis with thin plastic (sometimes
sliding) drawers. This just don't cut it any more. I need something with
different sized drawers, fairly abuse resistant, and something that can be
labeled on the front so I know what's what. I think McFeeleys may have
something, so I'll look there also. I know some people still like the old
baby food jars with the lid screwed to a shelf bottom, I'd rather not.....
Anyone have a good system they'd like to brag about??? Thanks as always,
Mark



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Like the idea of the Ikea boxes, I'll look next time I go. I just wish I
had the memory to remember where everything is in the basement.


I write on the ends.
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Greetings All,
I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement and need
an idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but not hidden. I'm
sure you all are like me, with all sorts of nuts, bolts, screws, widget
holders, ad infinitium.... I have the cheap organizers that can be
bought just about anywhere, blue sheet metal chassis with thin plastic
(sometimes sliding) drawers. This just don't cut it any more. I need
something with different sized drawers, fairly abuse resistant, and
something that can be labeled on the front so I know what's what. I
think McFeeleys may have something, so I'll look there also. I know some
people still like the old baby food jars with the lid screwed to a shelf
bottom, I'd rather not..... Anyone have a good system they'd like to brag
about??? Thanks as always, Mark


I have 4 of these:
http://www.stack-on.com/tool_and_har...ge/dsb-18.html

I store nuts, bolts, screws, washers, rivets, small hinges, and misc.
hardware.
I bought them at Lowe's.

I have one of these:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...622&sLevel= 0

The plastic units (Stack-on) have proven to be as "sturdy" as I need. The
metal one (from Sears) is overkill for me (and over-spending)
I used an inexpensive, Brother "P-Touch" labeler (from Office Depot) to
print stick-on labels.

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I'll look there also. I know some people still like the old baby food jars
with the lid screwed to a shelf bottom, I'd rather not..... Anyone have a
good system they'd like to brag about??? Thanks as always, Mark


The last time I finished off a case of oil for cars, I put the whole
thing (box and plastic bottles) thru the table saw to cut it off to
uniform height just after the end of the taper. This way I ended up
with a box with twelve bins and a bit of rust inhibitor already
applied to each bin. Also, boxes of screws slide into the bins.

Jack
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I'll look there also. I know some people still like the old baby food
jars
with the lid screwed to a shelf bottom, I'd rather not..... Anyone have
a
good system they'd like to brag about??? Thanks as always, Mark


The last time I finished off a case of oil for cars, I put the whole
thing (box and plastic bottles) thru the table saw to cut it off to
uniform height just after the end of the taper. This way I ended up
with a box with twelve bins and a bit of rust inhibitor already
applied to each bin. Also, boxes of screws slide into the bins.

Jack



Are you from Alabama?

Max

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I'll look there also. I know some people still like the old baby food
jars
with the lid screwed to a shelf bottom, I'd rather not..... Anyone have
a
good system they'd like to brag about??? Thanks as always, Mark


The last time I finished off a case of oil for cars, I put the whole
thing (box and plastic bottles) thru the table saw to cut it off to
uniform height just after the end of the taper. This way I ended up
with a box with twelve bins and a bit of rust inhibitor already
applied to each bin. Also, boxes of screws slide into the bins.

Jack



Are you from Alabama?

Max


They only COOK with oil there, Max..


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I use something like these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/STANLEY-VIDMAR-S...QQcmdZViewItem

or these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Durham-DS-12-C-S...QQcmdZViewItem

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Greetings All,
I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement and need
an idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but not hidden. I'm
sure you all are like me, with all sorts of nuts, bolts, screws, widget
holders, ad infinitium.... I have the cheap organizers that can be bought
just about anywhere, blue sheet metal chassis with thin plastic (sometimes
sliding) drawers. This just don't cut it any more. I need something with
different sized drawers, fairly abuse resistant, and something that can be
labeled on the front so I know what's what. I think McFeeleys may have
something, so I'll look there also. I know some people still like the old
baby food jars with the lid screwed to a shelf bottom, I'd rather not.....
Anyone have a good system they'd like to brag about??? Thanks as always,
Mark


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Are you from Alabama?

Max


They only COOK with oil there, Max..


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I have to admire his ingenuity. And frugality.

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I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement and need
an idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but not hidden.


You have received lots of suggestions describing storage devices.

I'm going to suggest something else based on my experience in the electrical
distribution business.

First, there is "authorized inventory", basic items you probably buy by the
box, 100 pcs at a time.

Gets used on every project.

Next there is "project inventory", specialty hardware for a specific
project.

A screw here, a bolt there, etc.

When a project is completed, scoop up all the remaining "project inventory",
put it in a plastic bag that you seal shut, date and label with a felt pen,
and store in a box..

A year later, if the bag hasn't been opened, THROW IT AWAY.

You will not only clean up the shop, you will also save money and
frustration.

You need less storage, thus you save money.

Less stuff means what you have is easier to find.

Have fun.

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On Mar 25, 2:25 am, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"mark" wrote:
I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement and need
an idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but not hidden.


You have received lots of suggestions describing storage devices.

I'm going to suggest something else based on my experience in the electrical
distribution business.

First, there is "authorized inventory", basic items you probably buy by the
box, 100 pcs at a time.

Gets used on every project.

Next there is "project inventory", specialty hardware for a specific
project.

A screw here, a bolt there, etc.

When a project is completed, scoop up all the remaining "project inventory",
put it in a plastic bag that you seal shut, date and label with a felt pen,
and store in a box..

A year later, if the bag hasn't been opened, THROW IT AWAY.

You will not only clean up the shop, you will also save money and
frustration.

You need less storage, thus you save money.

Less stuff means what you have is easier to find.

Have fun.

Lew


Hah! You could be like a friend of mine: he keeps a couple of five
gallon plastic buckets around. When he has extra small parts, they go
into one or the other, depending on whether or not they're for his
collection of garden tractors or for woodworking. Upend either bucket,
as needed, and spend some quality time sorting the bits until you find
what you need--and you almost always find what you need. Or did. His
shop was destroyed by fire last year and the buckets melted into their
contents, so he has to begin again. I doubt he'll ever match that 50
year collection, though.
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I now have a drawer full of bags and really hate
to throw them away.

You are correct, that is the way to handle all that
crap.

Lew Hodgett wrote:



When a project is completed, scoop up all the remaining "project inventory",
put it in a plastic bag that you seal shut, date and label with a felt pen,
and store in a box..

A year later, if the bag hasn't been opened, THROW IT AWAY.

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This is a wood working group. I had the luxury of some good solid
wood bookcase shelving built in. The sections were roughly 48
wide with 3 sections roughly 12" tall each. This stuff was and is
all utilitarian - it ain't pretty or fancy.

I subdivided the spaces with some scrap horizontal ply making 3
spaces in the top and middle sections and a vertical break at mid
point to stiffen the shelves. I made boxes from scrap - 1/4 stuff
for the sides, 1/2 for the bottom and ends with some additional
blocks in each "drawer" to create smaller spaces. The drawers are
about 2 1/2 tall, 4 wide, and 12 long. I did belt sand the
outside corners to make them easy to hold. I have used MDF, ply,
and wafer; they all work well/ This stuff is shot together with
staples, and if something starts to wear out they sure are easy to
remake. The bottom section of the book case requires bending
over, so avoided like the plague; but it is just right for dairy
cases (of course I bought them g).

The top left box has 1/4-20 nuts, spacer block, 1/4-20 washers,
spacer block, lock washers, spacer, anything odd that is 1/4-20
like wing nuts, couplings, nylox, etc. There are 5 boxes total
for 1/4-20, each subdivided into various lengths of bolts. Number
4 is divided only into mixed flat head and machine bolt. Number 5
has carriage.
Repeat row 2 for 5/16
Row 3 for 3/8
7/16
1/2

Right hand top section. Same boxes split at mid point.
Coarse 1 1/8 drywall / fine 1 1/8 drywall
C 1 1/2 / fine 1 1/2
2's
2 1/2's
3's

The rest are filled with hex drive screws, self drilling, fender
washer, square drive, etc Write what they are on the ends of the
box. If it changes, swap ends or sand it again.

I did acquire a really nice card index from a library. Nice wood
cabinet with high grade plastic drawers. I had a neighbor who
used LOTS of medicine who collected prescription bottles for me.
Make sure they are clear or yellow so you can see what is in them,
the blue or white ones suck. One drawer for air fittings, one for
electrical testers, replacement blades, etc I have one small
bread pan, like for a rum cake, full of all those mixed nuts,
bolts, fine, coarse, long, short, hex, square, phillips, straight,
flat, pan, hex mixed hodge podge for everything smaller than
1/4=20. Larger quantities of any one thing get a pill bottle, but
the bread pan gets used every day. Make a spill tray to dump it
out, search, return to bread pan. Everyone needs a Junk fastener
bucket.

Hope this gave you a few ideas.

There are other sections of little home made drawers. It is
always a work in progress. Quit worrying about exotic cabinet
grade work, just create something that works, works well, and
doesn't scream - oh, don't scratch me!. Don't have so much time
or material invested that you wouldn't be willing to toss for a
better idea.



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Greetings All,
I'm trying to get a handle on straightening up my shop/basement
and need an idea or three on how to keep hardware organized, but
not hidden. I'm sure you all are like me, with all sorts of
nuts, bolts, screws, widget holders, ad infinitium.... I have
the cheap organizers that can be bought just about anywhere,
blue sheet metal chassis with thin plastic (sometimes sliding)
drawers. This just don't cut it any more. I need something
with different sized drawers, fairly abuse resistant, and
something that can be labeled on the front so I know what's
what. I think McFeeleys may have something, so I'll look there
also. I know some people still like the old baby food jars with
the lid screwed to a shelf bottom, I'd rather not..... Anyone
have a good system they'd like to brag about??? Thanks as
always, Mark



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