Home |
Search |
Today's Posts |
|
Woodworking (rec.woodworking) Discussion forum covering all aspects of working with wood. All levels of expertise are encouraged to particiapte. |
Reply |
|
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
Ever since the TV home shows have been installing barn doors in all
remodels, the big box stores have started carrying them and the requests for installations have been pouring in to every carpenter in suburbia. I figured I would wait out the fad and in 10 years I'd make a fortune taking them out after people's frustration in using them overcomes their overwhelming urge to be trendy. After all, they aren't really any different than pocket doors other than the fact that they are much easier to put back on the tracks when they slip off. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. BTW, the yellow spot on the ceiling behind the left can light is the reason I never use power tools to cut holes in ceilings. There is a water line resting on the drywall going straight through the center of that spot. :-) I had to move the cans further out in the room, which turned out better anyway. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
#2
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. Some thoughts: White ceiling and trim, blue left wall, pinkish floor (or is that carpet, reflecting that pinkish hue?) and the closet wall has a (raw wood) weathered look (gray stain/paint paneling?). Finishing those doors in a different color might make the room chaotic, color-wise. Did she ask your opinion as to finishing? Do you know if the client will try to match the weathered look, before topcoating/painting? Soaking steel wool in vinegar will produce a solution for weathering those doors, to match its wall (....*test some applications on scrap). Maybe she'll repaint the wall to match whatever door color she decides. Looks good. Good job. Sonny |
#3
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/18/17 12:31 PM, Sonny wrote:
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote: https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. Some thoughts: White ceiling and trim, blue left wall, pinkish floor (or is that carpet, reflecting that pinkish hue?) and the closet wall has a (raw wood) weathered look (gray stain/paint paneling?). Finishing those doors in a different color might make the room chaotic, color-wise. Did she ask your opinion as to finishing? Do you know if the client will try to match the weathered look, before topcoating/painting? Soaking steel wool in vinegar will produce a solution for weathering those doors, to match its wall (....*test some applications on scrap). Maybe she'll repaint the wall to match whatever door color she decides. Looks good. Good job. Sonny Thanks, Sonny. She has her own ideas for the color scheme in the room, which includes (IIRC) repainting the walls. The paneling came pre-finished like that and she loved it. She wants the doors to be something different, for high contrast. I considered a burnt wood finish, but it would've run up the labor costs. In my opinion that kind of paneling with corner trim looks "mobile home" enough on its own. If the doors matched, I think it would look way too trailer park. The existing trim crown and base were white and the added molding was primed white. I don't know here painting plans for the trim. Carpet is beige and yes, getting pink hue from reflection and camera artifacts. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
#4
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/18/2017 1:31 PM, Sonny wrote:
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote: https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. Some thoughts: White ceiling and trim, blue left wall, pinkish floor (or is that carpet, reflecting that pinkish hue?) and the closet wall has a (raw wood) weathered look (gray stain/paint paneling?). Finishing those doors in a different color might make the room chaotic, color-wise. Did she ask your opinion as to finishing? Do you know if the client will try to match the weathered look, before topcoating/painting? Soaking steel wool in vinegar will produce a solution for weathering those doors, to match its wall (....*test some applications on scrap). Maybe she'll repaint the wall to match whatever door color she decides. Looks good. Good job. Sonny I'm not really a fan of that type of door, although I think I may have seen a "hide the TV" application that looked nice. We've stayed a number of times in a fairly upscale hotel in Quebec that has installed that sort of door on the bathrooms in a recent renovation. I have to say that the inch and a half gap between the door and the wall results in a certain lack of *acoustic* privacy. The door is bigger than the opening so there's no line-of-sight into the bathroom, but I would think that most people would prefer that bathroom sounds stay in the bathroom. On a related note, my wife and I recently stayed in another hotel that actually has a frosted glass wall between the bedroom and the shower stall. The glass obscures detail, to be sure, but I think families with kids might find the arrangement disconcerting. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
#5
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/18/2017 12:04 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
Ever since the TV home shows have been installing barn doors in all remodels, the big box stores have started carrying them and the requests for installations have been pouring in to every carpenter in suburbia. I figured I would wait out the fad and in 10 years I'd make a fortune taking them out after people's frustration in using them overcomes their overwhelming urge to be trendy. After all, they aren't really any different than pocket doors other than the fact that they are much easier to put back on the tracks when they slip off. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. BTW, the yellow spot on the ceiling behind the left can light is the reason I never use power tools to cut holes in ceilings. There is a water line resting on the drywall going straight through the center of that spot. :-) I had to move the cans further out in the room, which turned out better anyway. Looks good! |
#6
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/18/17 1:16 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 4/18/2017 1:31 PM, Sonny wrote: On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote: https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. Some thoughts: White ceiling and trim, blue left wall, pinkish floor (or is that carpet, reflecting that pinkish hue?) and the closet wall has a (raw wood) weathered look (gray stain/paint paneling?). Finishing those doors in a different color might make the room chaotic, color-wise. Did she ask your opinion as to finishing? Do you know if the client will try to match the weathered look, before topcoating/painting? Soaking steel wool in vinegar will produce a solution for weathering those doors, to match its wall (....*test some applications on scrap). Maybe she'll repaint the wall to match whatever door color she decides. Looks good. Good job. Sonny I'm not really a fan of that type of door, although I think I may have seen a "hide the TV" application that looked nice. We've stayed a number of times in a fairly upscale hotel in Quebec that has installed that sort of door on the bathrooms in a recent renovation. I have to say that the inch and a half gap between the door and the wall results in a certain lack of *acoustic* privacy. The door is bigger than the opening so there's no line-of-sight into the bathroom, but I would think that most people would prefer that bathroom sounds stay in the bathroom. So true. FWIW, these doors are only about 3/16" from the trim. One issue with these doors is that you actually have to close them all the way, manually, using your hands to stop them. There are bumpers at the top, but the doors with "bounce" off the bumpers and when they hit one another at the bottom. I've seen rumors of soft-close adapters for barn door that act like soft-close drawers in that they grab the door, slow it down, and bring it to a soft stopped position. If I do more of these, I will look into that option. On a related note, my wife and I recently stayed in another hotel that actually has a frosted glass wall between the bedroom and the shower stall. The glass obscures detail, to be sure, but I think families with kids might find the arrangement disconcerting. Back when I was doing more touring as a musician, were were at a beach town that has these changing areas with that sort of opaque sheathing. At certain times of the day when the sun was right, you got a perfect silhouette of whoever was inside. It was quite the tourist attraction and a good draw for the locals, too. I decided to have fun with my bandmates and I went inside one, but I had hidden one of those foam pool noodles inside the enclosure. I went in and used the pool noodle to, um... well, lets just say, "greatly enhance" my profile. I thought they were going to pass out from laughing so hard. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
#7
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/18/2017 2:42 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/18/17 1:16 PM, Greg Guarino wrote: On 4/18/2017 1:31 PM, Sonny wrote: On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote: I've seen rumors of soft-close adapters for barn door that act like soft-close drawers in that they grab the door, slow it down, and bring it to a soft stopped position. If I do more of these, I will look into that option. The hotel bathroom doors had that feature. Still pretty inconvenient though, as the door was big, thick and heavy. You had to apply more force than you would expect to open or close that door. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
#8
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/18/2017 2:42 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/18/17 1:16 PM, Greg Guarino wrote: On 4/18/2017 1:31 PM, Sonny wrote: On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote: https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. Some thoughts: White ceiling and trim, blue left wall, pinkish floor (or is that carpet, reflecting that pinkish hue?) and the closet wall has a (raw wood) weathered look (gray stain/paint paneling?). Finishing those doors in a different color might make the room chaotic, color-wise. Did she ask your opinion as to finishing? Do you know if the client will try to match the weathered look, before topcoating/painting? Soaking steel wool in vinegar will produce a solution for weathering those doors, to match its wall (....*test some applications on scrap). Maybe she'll repaint the wall to match whatever door color she decides. Looks good. Good job. Sonny I'm not really a fan of that type of door, although I think I may have seen a "hide the TV" application that looked nice. We've stayed a number of times in a fairly upscale hotel in Quebec that has installed that sort of door on the bathrooms in a recent renovation. I have to say that the inch and a half gap between the door and the wall results in a certain lack of *acoustic* privacy. The door is bigger than the opening so there's no line-of-sight into the bathroom, but I would think that most people would prefer that bathroom sounds stay in the bathroom. So true. FWIW, these doors are only about 3/16" from the trim. One issue with these doors is that you actually have to close them all the way, manually, using your hands to stop them. There are bumpers at the top, but the doors with "bounce" off the bumpers and when they hit one another at the bottom. I've seen rumors of soft-close adapters for barn door that act like soft-close drawers in that they grab the door, slow it down, and bring it to a soft stopped position. If I do more of these, I will look into that option. On a related note, my wife and I recently stayed in another hotel that actually has a frosted glass wall between the bedroom and the shower stall. The glass obscures detail, to be sure, but I think families with kids might find the arrangement disconcerting. Back when I was doing more touring as a musician, were were at a beach town that has these changing areas with that sort of opaque sheathing. At certain times of the day when the sun was right, you got a perfect silhouette of whoever was inside. It was quite the tourist attraction and a good draw for the locals, too. I decided to have fun with my bandmates and I went inside one, but I had hidden one of those foam pool noodles inside the enclosure. I went in and used the pool noodle to, um... well, lets just say, "greatly enhance" my profile. I thought they were going to pass out from laughing so hard. ROFL -- Jeff |
#9
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 2:42:12 PM UTC-4, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/18/17 1:16 PM, Greg Guarino wrote: On 4/18/2017 1:31 PM, Sonny wrote: On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote: https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. Some thoughts: White ceiling and trim, blue left wall, pinkish floor (or is that carpet, reflecting that pinkish hue?) and the closet wall has a (raw wood) weathered look (gray stain/paint paneling?). Finishing those doors in a different color might make the room chaotic, color-wise. Did she ask your opinion as to finishing? Do you know if the client will try to match the weathered look, before topcoating/painting? Soaking steel wool in vinegar will produce a solution for weathering those doors, to match its wall (....*test some applications on scrap). Maybe she'll repaint the wall to match whatever door color she decides. Looks good. Good job. Sonny I'm not really a fan of that type of door, although I think I may have seen a "hide the TV" application that looked nice. We've stayed a number of times in a fairly upscale hotel in Quebec that has installed that sort of door on the bathrooms in a recent renovation. I have to say that the inch and a half gap between the door and the wall results in a certain lack of *acoustic* privacy. The door is bigger than the opening so there's no line-of-sight into the bathroom, but I would think that most people would prefer that bathroom sounds stay in the bathroom. So true. FWIW, these doors are only about 3/16" from the trim. One issue with these doors is that you actually have to close them all the way, manually, using your hands to stop them. There are bumpers at the top, but the doors with "bounce" off the bumpers and when they hit one another at the bottom. I've seen rumors of soft-close adapters for barn door that act like soft-close drawers in that they grab the door, slow it down, and bring it to a soft stopped position. If I do more of these, I will look into that option. On a related note, my wife and I recently stayed in another hotel that actually has a frosted glass wall between the bedroom and the shower stall. The glass obscures detail, to be sure, but I think families with kids might find the arrangement disconcerting. Back when I was doing more touring as a musician, were were at a beach town that has these changing areas with that sort of opaque sheathing. At certain times of the day when the sun was right, you got a perfect silhouette of whoever was inside. It was quite the tourist attraction and a good draw for the locals, too. I decided to have fun with my bandmates and I went inside one, but I had hidden one of those foam pool noodles inside the enclosure. I went in and used the pool noodle to, um... well, lets just say, "greatly enhance" my profile. I model for those noodles. |
#10
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 12:04:45 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote: Ever since the TV home shows have been installing barn doors in all remodels, the big box stores have started carrying them and the requests for installations have been pouring in to every carpenter in suburbia. I figured I would wait out the fad and in 10 years I'd make a fortune taking them out after people's frustration in using them overcomes their overwhelming urge to be trendy. After all, they aren't really any different than pocket doors other than the fact that they are much easier to put back on the tracks when they slip off. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. BTW, the yellow spot on the ceiling behind the left can light is the reason I never use power tools to cut holes in ceilings. There is a water line resting on the drywall going straight through the center of that spot. :-) I had to move the cans further out in the room, which turned out better anyway. In that instance it doesn't look so out of place. Nice Job. |
#11
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/18/17 6:20 PM, OFWW wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 12:04:45 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Ever since the TV home shows have been installing barn doors in all remodels, the big box stores have started carrying them and the requests for installations have been pouring in to every carpenter in suburbia. I figured I would wait out the fad and in 10 years I'd make a fortune taking them out after people's frustration in using them overcomes their overwhelming urge to be trendy. After all, they aren't really any different than pocket doors other than the fact that they are much easier to put back on the tracks when they slip off. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. BTW, the yellow spot on the ceiling behind the left can light is the reason I never use power tools to cut holes in ceilings. There is a water line resting on the drywall going straight through the center of that spot. :-) I had to move the cans further out in the room, which turned out better anyway. In that instance it doesn't look so out of place. Nice Job. Thanks. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
#12
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
Ever since the TV home shows have been installing barn doors in all remodels, the big box stores have started carrying them and the requests for installations have been pouring in to every carpenter in suburbia. I figured I would wait out the fad and in 10 years I'd make a fortune taking them out after people's frustration in using them overcomes their overwhelming urge to be trendy. After all, they aren't really any different than pocket doors other than the fact that they are much easier to put back on the tracks when they slip off. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. I with you! I sure thought they would go away... But I saw a home selling for about 1.1 million bucks on a video tour of the parade of homes in a very exclusive new development, and it had TWO of those damn things in them. They got some heavily weathered barn wood somewhere and built them out of that. It looked like they even took time to "weather" the nail heads. I thought they looked awful and out of place, but the realtor's voice over absolutely crowed over them. The good news is your install looks nice, neat and professional. Good job on that! I have only had one client approach me about doing that for them, and I escaped as they ran out of money by the time I did the rest of their remodel. I have a question for you: did you hang those by yourself? The doors look pretty heavy, just wondering. Robert |
#13
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
-MIKE- Looks great and very functional! |
#15
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 9:41:43 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
I did hang them by myself. They are actually pretty light, considering. I was walking through the HD lumber aisle and came across the bins of T&G boards and they had a whole section for "knotty pine." Knowing the look she was going for, I selected the ones with the most knots. When I was loading them in the cart, I was amazed at how light they were. Cheap, too. 1x6x8' was 6 bucks after tax. I think all the wood for both doors was about $75. A very easy build. I little bit of construction adhesive in the grooves, clamped lightly for a few hours. Glued and nailed top stile. Bottom stile is screwed, only, so it can be raised or lowered to adjust for different finished flooring heights. If they crack from shrinking, it'll just enhance the look. :-) LOL... no kidding! Reading your description, I think I would have been in danger of seriously overbuilding those doors. And never would I have thought of going to HD for knotty pine T&G wood panel. I have a technique for "rapid aging" wood that will emulate old material. I learned it from a guy that made wooden "cigar store" Indians and sold them. First as replicas, then as the real deal. After Gene was "found out", he did a year in jail and had to pay restitution to several clients. I wondered why he was treated so harshly by the courts... then I found out he was getting $5K and up for his full sized Indians when he presented them as the real deal! He told me he actually sold about 35 of the fake models, so he just about broke even excepting his time in the can after restitution and attorney's fees. Let me know if you have any use for the method and formula now that you might be getting more of that business. Robert |
#16
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/19/17 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 9:41:43 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote: I did hang them by myself. They are actually pretty light, considering. I was walking through the HD lumber aisle and came across the bins of T&G boards and they had a whole section for "knotty pine." Knowing the look she was going for, I selected the ones with the most knots. When I was loading them in the cart, I was amazed at how light they were. Cheap, too. 1x6x8' was 6 bucks after tax. I think all the wood for both doors was about $75. A very easy build. I little bit of construction adhesive in the grooves, clamped lightly for a few hours. Glued and nailed top stile. Bottom stile is screwed, only, so it can be raised or lowered to adjust for different finished flooring heights. If they crack from shrinking, it'll just enhance the look. :-) LOL... no kidding! Reading your description, I think I would have been in danger of seriously overbuilding those doors. And never would I have thought of going to HD for knotty pine T&G wood panel. I have a technique for "rapid aging" wood that will emulate old material. I learned it from a guy that made wooden "cigar store" Indians and sold them. First as replicas, then as the real deal. After Gene was "found out", he did a year in jail and had to pay restitution to several clients. I wondered why he was treated so harshly by the courts... then I found out he was getting $5K and up for his full sized Indians when he presented them as the real deal! He told me he actually sold about 35 of the fake models, so he just about broke even excepting his time in the can after restitution and attorney's fees. Let me know if you have any use for the method and formula now that you might be getting more of that business. Robert Yes, I absolutely would love to hear your technique. Aged wood is the other fad going around now. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
#17
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 01:09:30 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote: Ever since the TV home shows have been installing barn doors in all remodels, the big box stores have started carrying them and the requests for installations have been pouring in to every carpenter in suburbia. I figured I would wait out the fad and in 10 years I'd make a fortune taking them out after people's frustration in using them overcomes their overwhelming urge to be trendy. After all, they aren't really any different than pocket doors other than the fact that they are much easier to put back on the tracks when they slip off. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. I with you! I sure thought they would go away... But I saw a home selling for about 1.1 million bucks on a video tour of the parade of homes in a very exclusive new development, and it had TWO of those damn things in them. They got some heavily weathered barn wood somewhere and built them out of that. It looked like they even took time to "weather" the nail heads. I thought they looked awful and out of place, but the realtor's voice over absolutely crowed over them. "That's not a bug, it's a feechur." The good news is your install looks nice, neat and professional. Good job on that! I have only had one client approach me about doing that for them, and I escaped as they ran out of money by the time I did the rest of their remodel. I have a question for you: did you hang those by yourself? The doors look pretty heavy, just wondering. I can see them in certain circumstances but few. I'd rather see these than the damned bifold closet doors. Worse, metal or, (gack) mirrored, bifold doors. |
#18
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/19/17 8:58 PM, wrote:
I have only had one client approach me about doing that for them, and I escaped as they ran out of money by the time I did the rest of their remodel. I have a question for you: did you hang those by yourself? The doors look pretty heavy, just wondering. I can see them in certain circumstances but few. I'd rather see these than the damned bifold closet doors. Worse, metal or, (gack) mirrored, bifold doors. That's what we were trying to avoid, too! -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
#19
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
|
#20
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/20/17 12:44 AM, OFWW wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:58:05 -0400, wrote: I can see them in certain circumstances but few. I'd rather see these than the damned bifold closet doors. Worse, metal or, (gack) mirrored, bifold doors. May I ask what is the problem with bifold closet doors, as opposed to sliding doors? Reason being two of my bedrooms are being redone and the built in closets we are stuck with in this house. I was considering going to bifold doors in order to fully access the interior as well as not messing with the center floor guides for sliders. There's nothing inherently wrong with bi-fold doors. They are a great design that allows for full access to closets with minimal intrusion into the adjacent space. I think many people's disdain for them comes from two reasons. 1. The mounting/sliding hardware is pretty flimsy and the doors often become difficult to operate because of problems with the hardware or improper installation or re-installation after a flooring change, ie: carpet to hardwood. 2. The ubiquitous style/production of them has given them somewhat of a McDonalds reputation. People seem them everywhere and think they are cheap and ugly. Ugly is subjective, but that slatted, shutter-style door gets old fast. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
#21
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/18/2017 12:04 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
Ever since the TV home shows have been installing barn doors in all remodels, the big box stores have started carrying them and the requests for installations have been pouring in to every carpenter in suburbia. I figured I would wait out the fad and in 10 years I'd make a fortune taking them out after people's frustration in using them overcomes their overwhelming urge to be trendy. After all, they aren't really any different than pocket doors other than the fact that they are much easier to put back on the tracks when they slip off. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. BTW, the yellow spot on the ceiling behind the left can light is the reason I never use power tools to cut holes in ceilings. There is a water line resting on the drywall going straight through the center of that spot. :-) I had to move the cans further out in the room, which turned out better anyway. I have a customer now that wants to put a small sliding barn door in front of her laundry room so that she will not see the open laundry door. I am wondering if she realizes what she wants. She could simply close the existing laundry door. And the existing laundry door is going to be much easier to open and close than a sliding barn door. Some people just want the look rather than some thing that actually works well. |
#22
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/20/17 10:40 AM, Leon wrote:
On 4/18/2017 12:04 PM, -MIKE- wrote: Ever since the TV home shows have been installing barn doors in all remodels, the big box stores have started carrying them and the requests for installations have been pouring in to every carpenter in suburbia. I figured I would wait out the fad and in 10 years I'd make a fortune taking them out after people's frustration in using them overcomes their overwhelming urge to be trendy. After all, they aren't really any different than pocket doors other than the fact that they are much easier to put back on the tracks when they slip off. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. BTW, the yellow spot on the ceiling behind the left can light is the reason I never use power tools to cut holes in ceilings. There is a water line resting on the drywall going straight through the center of that spot. :-) I had to move the cans further out in the room, which turned out better anyway. I have a customer now that wants to put a small sliding barn door in front of her laundry room so that she will not see the open laundry door. I am wondering if she realizes what she wants. She could simply close the existing laundry door. And the existing laundry door is going to be much easier to open and close than a sliding barn door. For some reason I started picturing the opening montage from "Get Smart." :-) Some people just want the look rather than some thing that actually works well. You just explained every set of shutters in suburbia! -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
#23
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
OFWW writes:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:04:25 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Cost of living is much lower, you keep much more of the money you earned and you're not dealing with politicians from outer space. One thing for sure, if they moved there then they are on the safe side of the San Andrea's fault. 99% of california is east of the fault, including SF and the bay area. There is no safe side of any fault, and the largest earthquake in the continental US east of the Rockies was centered in New Madrid, Misery. Note that the 1906 quake was felt over 6200 sq miles, while the New Madrid quake (1811) was felt over 1 million sq miles. New Madrid is within a hundred miles or so of Nashville (Memphis experienced level IX (Violent) shaking!) Personally, I'll risk the earthquake over living in tornado alley. |
#24
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/20/2017 3:03 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
OFWW writes: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:04:25 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Cost of living is much lower, you keep much more of the money you earned and you're not dealing with politicians from outer space. One thing for sure, if they moved there then they are on the safe side of the San Andrea's fault. 99% of california is east of the fault, including SF and the bay area. There is no safe side of any fault, and the largest earthquake in the continental US east of the Rockies was centered in New Madrid, Misery. Note that the 1906 quake was felt over 6200 sq miles, while the New Madrid quake (1811) was felt over 1 million sq miles. New Madrid is within a hundred miles or so of Nashville (Memphis experienced level IX (Violent) shaking!) Personally, I'll risk the earthquake over living in tornado alley. Tornado's Earth Quakes, and Hurricanes. I'll take tornado's over the other two for one reason, life immediately after the event. A tornado is very destructive as are earth quakes and hurricanes. I have been in 5 hurricanes, the third when I was 15. I thought I was going to die in that hurricane. Anyway it was a direct hit on the the Corpus Christi area. It took months to to even think about having repairs made to your home. And that was probably 20-30 thousand residences. An earth quake is going to likely deliver the same life changing event for tens of thousands of families. A tornado is very selective and does not typically do damage over thousands of square miles. Repairs can usually begin immediate. And after a tornado you can usually guy groceries, gasoline and probably go to work the next day for the vast majority. Major earth quakes and hurricanes typically deliver damage with a broad stroke, tornados, not so much. FWIW Harris county/ Houston, Texas has more tornadoes than any where else in the U.S. We have had 7~8 this month. Not big ones but in their small paths they do some destruction. At least the city goes on with its business the next day, not so with a hurricane. |
#25
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/20/2017 11:53 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/20/17 10:40 AM, Leon wrote: On 4/18/2017 12:04 PM, -MIKE- wrote: Ever since the TV home shows have been installing barn doors in all remodels, the big box stores have started carrying them and the requests for installations have been pouring in to every carpenter in suburbia. I figured I would wait out the fad and in 10 years I'd make a fortune taking them out after people's frustration in using them overcomes their overwhelming urge to be trendy. After all, they aren't really any different than pocket doors other than the fact that they are much easier to put back on the tracks when they slip off. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. BTW, the yellow spot on the ceiling behind the left can light is the reason I never use power tools to cut holes in ceilings. There is a water line resting on the drywall going straight through the center of that spot. :-) I had to move the cans further out in the room, which turned out better anyway. I have a customer now that wants to put a small sliding barn door in front of her laundry room so that she will not see the open laundry door. I am wondering if she realizes what she wants. She could simply close the existing laundry door. And the existing laundry door is going to be much easier to open and close than a sliding barn door. For some reason I started picturing the opening montage from "Get Smart." :-) I was under the cone of silence! Some people just want the look rather than some thing that actually works well. You just explained every set of shutters in suburbia! Equally strange, new down sized home, the one I was describing above. This home is 4,100 sq ft. Old home was 5K+ sq ft. They have not even fully moved in yet and have had the floors, probably carpeting, replaced with a vinyl product that looks like wood planks. Ok looking but not IMHO in a house of this price range. |
#26
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 20:03:43 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote: OFWW writes: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:04:25 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Cost of living is much lower, you keep much more of the money you earned and you're not dealing with politicians from outer space. One thing for sure, if they moved there then they are on the safe side of the San Andrea's fault. 99% of california is east of the fault, including SF and the bay area. http://geology.com/articles/images/s...-fault-map.jpg Land mass, but not people mass. SF, Berkeley etc would be destroyed. Last I read they found a new interconnecting fault junction with one that runs through Long Beach IIRC. The resulting Tsunami on the coast here would be atrocious. It sure boosts the economy afterwards if you are in the trades. There is no safe side of any fault, and the largest earthquake in the continental US east of the Rockies was centered in New Madrid, Misery. Note that the 1906 quake was felt over 6200 sq miles, while the New Madrid quake (1811) was felt over 1 million sq miles. New Madrid is within a hundred miles or so of Nashville (Memphis experienced level IX (Violent) shaking!) Perhaps, but to them a 2.5 feels like the world is coming to an end. A Californian barely feels anything smaller than a 5.2. Personally, I'll risk the earthquake over living in tornado alley. |
#27
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:31:06 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 4/20/2017 3:03 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: OFWW writes: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:04:25 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Cost of living is much lower, you keep much more of the money you earned and you're not dealing with politicians from outer space. One thing for sure, if they moved there then they are on the safe side of the San Andrea's fault. 99% of california is east of the fault, including SF and the bay area. There is no safe side of any fault, and the largest earthquake in the continental US east of the Rockies was centered in New Madrid, Misery. Note that the 1906 quake was felt over 6200 sq miles, while the New Madrid quake (1811) was felt over 1 million sq miles. New Madrid is within a hundred miles or so of Nashville (Memphis experienced level IX (Violent) shaking!) Personally, I'll risk the earthquake over living in tornado alley. Tornado's Earth Quakes, and Hurricanes. I'll take tornado's over the other two for one reason, life immediately after the event. A tornado is very destructive as are earth quakes and hurricanes. I have been in 5 hurricanes, the third when I was 15. I thought I was going to die in that hurricane. Anyway it was a direct hit on the the Corpus Christi area. It took months to to even think about having repairs made to your home. And that was probably 20-30 thousand residences. An earth quake is going to likely deliver the same life changing event for tens of thousands of families. A tornado is very selective and does not typically do damage over thousands of square miles. Repairs can usually begin immediate. And after a tornado you can usually guy groceries, gasoline and probably go to work the next day for the vast majority. Major earth quakes and hurricanes typically deliver damage with a broad stroke, tornados, not so much. I agree. But I prefer getting it over quick, like in an earthquake. FWIW Harris county/ Houston, Texas has more tornadoes than any where else in the U.S. We have had 7~8 this month. Not big ones but in their small paths they do some destruction. At least the city goes on with its business the next day, not so with a hurricane. |
#28
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:13:22 -0700, OFWW
wrote: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 20:03:43 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: OFWW writes: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:04:25 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Cost of living is much lower, you keep much more of the money you earned and you're not dealing with politicians from outer space. One thing for sure, if they moved there then they are on the safe side of the San Andrea's fault. 99% of california is east of the fault, including SF and the bay area. http://geology.com/articles/images/s...-fault-map.jpg Land mass, but not people mass. SF, Berkeley etc would be destroyed. Last I read they found a new interconnecting fault junction with one that runs through Long Beach IIRC. The resulting Tsunami on the coast here would be atrocious. It sure boosts the economy afterwards if you are in the trades. There is no safe side of any fault, and the largest earthquake in the continental US east of the Rockies was centered in New Madrid, Misery. Note that the 1906 quake was felt over 6200 sq miles, while the New Madrid quake (1811) was felt over 1 million sq miles. New Madrid is within a hundred miles or so of Nashville (Memphis experienced level IX (Violent) shaking!) Perhaps, but to them a 2.5 feels like the world is coming to an end. A Californian barely feels anything smaller than a 5.2. Personally, I'll risk the earthquake over living in tornado alley. We are near New Madrid, MO. have had three earthquakes largest was 4. something. Those were from faults up in south west Indiana. The quakes here happen are much deeper in the crust than west coast. We also first lived in Murphysboro, IL, one of the towns destroyed by the Tri State Tornado in 1925. Won't do hurricanes had enough of tropical storms in North Carolina. You have to live somewhere making your choices based upon possible natural disasters gives Murphy's law way to much possiblities of ****ing with you. |
#29
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:44:43 -0700, OFWW
wrote: On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:58:05 -0400, wrote: I can see them in certain circumstances but few. I'd rather see these than the damned bifold closet doors. Worse, metal or, (gack) mirrored, bifold doors. May I ask what is the problem with bifold closet doors, as opposed to sliding doors? They are fugly. I haven't seen an installation that didn't look incredibly cheap. Reason being two of my bedrooms are being redone and the built in closets we are stuck with in this house. I was considering going to bifold doors in order to fully access the interior as well as not messing with the center floor guides for sliders. |
#30
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:15:53 -0700, OFWW
wrote: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:31:06 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/20/2017 3:03 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: OFWW writes: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:04:25 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Cost of living is much lower, you keep much more of the money you earned and you're not dealing with politicians from outer space. One thing for sure, if they moved there then they are on the safe side of the San Andrea's fault. 99% of california is east of the fault, including SF and the bay area. There is no safe side of any fault, and the largest earthquake in the continental US east of the Rockies was centered in New Madrid, Misery. Note that the 1906 quake was felt over 6200 sq miles, while the New Madrid quake (1811) was felt over 1 million sq miles. New Madrid is within a hundred miles or so of Nashville (Memphis experienced level IX (Violent) shaking!) Personally, I'll risk the earthquake over living in tornado alley. Tornado's Earth Quakes, and Hurricanes. I'll take tornado's over the other two for one reason, life immediately after the event. A tornado is very destructive as are earth quakes and hurricanes. I have been in 5 hurricanes, the third when I was 15. I thought I was going to die in that hurricane. Anyway it was a direct hit on the the Corpus Christi area. It took months to to even think about having repairs made to your home. And that was probably 20-30 thousand residences. An earth quake is going to likely deliver the same life changing event for tens of thousands of families. A tornado is very selective and does not typically do damage over thousands of square miles. Repairs can usually begin immediate. And after a tornado you can usually guy groceries, gasoline and probably go to work the next day for the vast majority. Major earth quakes and hurricanes typically deliver damage with a broad stroke, tornados, not so much. I agree. But I prefer getting it over quick, like in an earthquake. "Getting it over quick"? The aftermath can take years. There is no comparison. I'll take tornado alley any time. As Leon pointed out, tornado damage is pretty isolated and there is almost always warning. FWIW Harris county/ Houston, Texas has more tornadoes than any where else in the U.S. We have had 7~8 this month. Not big ones but in their small paths they do some destruction. At least the city goes on with its business the next day, not so with a hurricane. |
#31
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
|
#32
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 18:11:57 -0500, Markem
wrote: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:13:22 -0700, OFWW wrote: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 20:03:43 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: OFWW writes: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:04:25 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Cost of living is much lower, you keep much more of the money you earned and you're not dealing with politicians from outer space. One thing for sure, if they moved there then they are on the safe side of the San Andrea's fault. 99% of california is east of the fault, including SF and the bay area. http://geology.com/articles/images/s...-fault-map.jpg Land mass, but not people mass. SF, Berkeley etc would be destroyed. Last I read they found a new interconnecting fault junction with one that runs through Long Beach IIRC. The resulting Tsunami on the coast here would be atrocious. It sure boosts the economy afterwards if you are in the trades. There is no safe side of any fault, and the largest earthquake in the continental US east of the Rockies was centered in New Madrid, Misery. Note that the 1906 quake was felt over 6200 sq miles, while the New Madrid quake (1811) was felt over 1 million sq miles. New Madrid is within a hundred miles or so of Nashville (Memphis experienced level IX (Violent) shaking!) Perhaps, but to them a 2.5 feels like the world is coming to an end. A Californian barely feels anything smaller than a 5.2. Personally, I'll risk the earthquake over living in tornado alley. We are near New Madrid, MO. have had three earthquakes largest was 4. something. Those were from faults up in south west Indiana. The quakes here happen are much deeper in the crust than west coast. We also first lived in Murphysboro, IL, one of the towns destroyed by the Tri State Tornado in 1925. Won't do hurricanes had enough of tropical storms in North Carolina. You have to live somewhere making your choices based upon possible natural disasters gives Murphy's law way to much possiblities of ****ing with you. For sure! |
#33
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
OFWW writes:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:31:06 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/20/2017 3:03 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Personally, I'll risk the earthquake over living in tornado alley. A tornado is very selective and does not typically do damage over thousands of square miles. Repairs can usually begin immediate. No, but they happen _every_ year, and in volume during the summer. Earthquakes are quite infrequent. Major earth quakes and hurricanes typically deliver damage with a broad stroke, tornados, not so much. I agree. But I prefer getting it over quick, like in an earthquake. I've experienced two major earthquakes (Wittier Narrows, Loma Prieta) and a few minors (Napa a few years ago). For the most part, the damage is localized (similar to a tornado, more localized than a hurricane). For Wittier narrows, I was living about 7 miles from the epicenter and it did no damage to my home, and very little at my office. With the Loma Prieta the total damage ($5billion) was less than katrina ($108 billion) even when adjusted for inflation. I'll take the earthquake anyday. The risk of an 8+ is much lower than the risk of a F5 tornado or a cat IV hurricane. |
#34
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
OFWW writes:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 20:03:43 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: OFWW writes: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:04:25 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Cost of living is much lower, you keep much more of the money you earned and you're not dealing with politicians from outer space. One thing for sure, if they moved there then they are on the safe side of the San Andrea's fault. 99% of california is east of the fault, including SF and the bay area. http://geology.com/articles/images/s...-fault-map.jpg Note that the portions of CA west of the fault on the SF peninsula are, for the most part, unpopulated (excepting half-moon-bay and pacifica). The fault crosses into the ocean at daly city, so all of SF is east of the fault. Land mass, but not people mass. SF, Berkeley etc would be destroyed. Considering all the historic quakes on this fault, I find that statement to be implausible, if not completely false. Particularly given Loma Prieta, which was the San Andreas and didn't destroy either SF or Berkeley. No more than Northridge or Sylmar destroyed LA. |
#35
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 04/18/2017 12:04 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
... Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. .... Nicely done...only comment/suggestion I'd make would be to have used one board for the top/bottom stiles so would have unbroken grain across both when closed...now it jars (my eye, anyway) where they meet...probably go away to a large extent when finished, but... -- |
#36
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/20/2017 5:15 PM, OFWW wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:31:06 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/20/2017 3:03 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: OFWW writes: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:04:25 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Cost of living is much lower, you keep much more of the money you earned and you're not dealing with politicians from outer space. One thing for sure, if they moved there then they are on the safe side of the San Andrea's fault. 99% of california is east of the fault, including SF and the bay area. There is no safe side of any fault, and the largest earthquake in the continental US east of the Rockies was centered in New Madrid, Misery. Note that the 1906 quake was felt over 6200 sq miles, while the New Madrid quake (1811) was felt over 1 million sq miles. New Madrid is within a hundred miles or so of Nashville (Memphis experienced level IX (Violent) shaking!) Personally, I'll risk the earthquake over living in tornado alley. Tornado's Earth Quakes, and Hurricanes. I'll take tornado's over the other two for one reason, life immediately after the event. A tornado is very destructive as are earth quakes and hurricanes. I have been in 5 hurricanes, the third when I was 15. I thought I was going to die in that hurricane. Anyway it was a direct hit on the the Corpus Christi area. It took months to to even think about having repairs made to your home. And that was probably 20-30 thousand residences. An earth quake is going to likely deliver the same life changing event for tens of thousands of families. A tornado is very selective and does not typically do damage over thousands of square miles. Repairs can usually begin immediate. And after a tornado you can usually guy groceries, gasoline and probably go to work the next day for the vast majority. Major earth quakes and hurricanes typically deliver damage with a broad stroke, tornados, not so much. I agree. But I prefer getting it over quick, like in an earthquake. I hear what you are saying... ;~) BUT until you actually live with, and maybe you have, the reality of the aftermath of a large event it is hard to understand the complexity of the problems. Insurance companies help with damage to your home but you rely on the local government to clear the debris, rebuild bridges, replace broken water lines, restore electricity so that repairs can actually begin. I would venture to say that a, quick and it is done, earth quake might be one that does not do a lot of damage. My nephew and niece and their families live in Edmund, OK. They have earth quakes pretty often, not terrible ones but enough to crack the walls and such. BUT in those areas that are on faults, like California, a big quake is typically followed with days of after shocks that would or can continue to do extensive damage. FWIW Harris county/ Houston, Texas has more tornadoes than any where else in the U.S. We have had 7~8 this month. Not big ones but in their small paths they do some destruction. At least the city goes on with its business the next day, not so with a hurricane. |
#37
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/21/2017 7:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
OFWW writes: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:31:06 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/20/2017 3:03 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Personally, I'll risk the earthquake over living in tornado alley. A tornado is very selective and does not typically do damage over thousands of square miles. Repairs can usually begin immediate. No, but they happen _every_ year, and in volume during the summer. Earthquakes are quite infrequent. I am sure your reasoning is quite valid and I would not want to steer you away from you your way of thinking. Have you lived through a major quake, like IIRC the one in the late 80's early 90's that hit California? The big events are what have changed my mind. For the first 14 years of my life I lived 3 miles from water, gulf coast. During that period of time I lived through 3 hurricanes. Oddly the first two were not direct hits but the rain and flooding lasted 2~3 days, both happened after the new school year began and we missed school. It was fun! LOL The third hurricane hit directly in early August and IIRC lasted 5 hours with little to no before or after rain. Wind gusts were often 160+ mph. Anyway I helped with cleanup for three weeks before starting school. We had no water for a week, and no electricity for several weeks. I n a majority of the city grocery stores were closed for weeks, we stood in food lines to get food and water off of trailers. THAT is what I fear about any large event. Anyway I can appreciate your thoughts on the matter. Major earth quakes and hurricanes typically deliver damage with a broad stroke, tornados, not so much. I agree. But I prefer getting it over quick, like in an earthquake. I've experienced two major earthquakes (Wittier Narrows, Loma Prieta) and a few minors (Napa a few years ago). For the most part, the damage is localized (similar to a tornado, more localized than a hurricane). For Wittier narrows, I was living about 7 miles from the epicenter and it did no damage to my home, and very little at my office. With the Loma Prieta the total damage ($5billion) was less than katrina ($108 billion) even when adjusted for inflation. I'll take the earthquake anyday. The risk of an 8+ is much lower than the risk of a F5 tornado or a cat IV hurricane. Well that sounds like sound reasoning. With news reports we "out siders" often see repeated broadcasts of the same areas and do not always realize the repeat scenes. We tend to think that California is hanging on by a thread. LOL I was under the impression that big quakes were as devastating as a direct hit Cat 3 or larger hurricane. |
#38
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/21/2017 8:00 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
OFWW writes: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 20:03:43 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: OFWW writes: On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:04:25 -0500, -MIKE- wrote: Cost of living is much lower, you keep much more of the money you earned and you're not dealing with politicians from outer space. One thing for sure, if they moved there then they are on the safe side of the San Andrea's fault. 99% of california is east of the fault, including SF and the bay area. http://geology.com/articles/images/s...-fault-map.jpg Note that the portions of CA west of the fault on the SF peninsula are, for the most part, unpopulated (excepting half-moon-bay and pacifica). The fault crosses into the ocean at daly city, so all of SF is east of the fault. Land mass, but not people mass. SF, Berkeley etc would be destroyed. Considering all the historic quakes on this fault, I find that statement to be implausible, if not completely false. Particularly given Loma Prieta, which was the San Andreas and didn't destroy either SF or Berkeley. No more than Northridge or Sylmar destroyed LA. Living with the threat vs. somewhere else probably gives you a better understanding of the risks. We have all read of the big one way back when when, it was mass destruction. BUT that was from fires and broken water lines. I would imagine in the hundred years since, the advancements in engineering would less the blow considerably. |
#39
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 4/21/2017 7:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: I've experienced two major earthquakes (Wittier Narrows, Loma Prieta) and a few minors (Napa a few years ago). For the most part, the damage is localized (similar to a tornado, more localized than a hurricane). For Wittier narrows, I was living about 7 miles from the epicenter and it did no damage to my home, and very little at my office. With the Loma Prieta the total damage ($5billion) was less than katrina ($108 billion) even when adjusted for inflation. I'll take the earthquake anyday. The risk of an 8+ is much lower than the risk of a F5 tornado or a cat IV hurricane. Well that sounds like sound reasoning. With news reports we "out siders" often see repeated broadcasts of the same areas and do not always realize the repeat scenes. We tend to think that California is hanging on by a thread. LOL I was under the impression that big quakes were as devastating as a direct hit Cat 3 or larger hurricane. It depends on a number of factors, including soil conditions, magnitude, location of epicenter, and age of buildings. Since 1906 cleared out a big part of SF, much of the construction there is newer. After 1934 long beach, construction standards were updated, and were changed significantly after 1971 sylmar[*]. The Loma Prieta quake, which was epicentered some 60 miles south of SF, did little-to-no damage to the peninsula/south bay which is much closer to the epicenter, but did significant damage to the marina district in SF which is built on land filled in in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It also pretty much destroyed highway 17 (now I880) through oakland, which was a double decker freeway built before sylmar where the top deck collapsed on the lower deck. Known as the Cypress Structure, this was also built on soft soils near the bay. Note that after the Northridge quake (which mainly affected soft-structures like apartment buildings built over parking bays) when some overpasses on I10 collapsed, they were rebuilt within 12 months. With modern building code standards, and common earthquake awareness by residents (secure tall items to the wall, hang heavy items using appropriate hardware, secure overhead cupboard doors with latches), the chances of damage from a moderate quake are fairly low outside of certain soil types (e.g. liquifaction). A massive quake (e.g. 9+), all bets are off, but they're extremely rare, and given the recent history of the San Andreas, there is not enough energy accumulated for a really large one here. I'd be more worried about the faults in the strait of Juan de Fuca which is due for a big one likely including a large Tsunami clearing out many of the islands in the sound, plus parts of Seattle - predictions are of a 15% chance of a 9+ in the next 50 years. Plus/minus some large error bars. [*] One of the Mission Impossible TV show episodes was filmed on the ruins of the VA hospital that collapsed in the Sylmar quake in 1971. |
#40
Posted to rec.woodworking
|
|||
|
|||
Finally Succumbed To the Barn Door Fad
On 4/21/17 8:24 AM, dpb wrote:
On 04/18/2017 12:04 PM, -MIKE- wrote: .. Well, I resisted as long as I could but finally had a client who really wanted them in a closet build-out I was doing in her basement converted-bedroom. https://goo.gl/photos/5XhKykF8cVmz9cR68 The client enjoys finishing, so she's going do the stain or faded paint finish of her choice, and pick out handles. ... Nicely done...only comment/suggestion I'd make would be to have used one board for the top/bottom stiles so would have unbroken grain across both when closed...now it jars (my eye, anyway) where they meet...probably go away to a large extent when finished, but... I was wondering when someone would comment on that, because I would have. :-) That was actually my plan when I was laying out and cutting the boards, but the client said it would look "too matched" and not barn door enough. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
Reply |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Forum | |||
OT The next door neighbours have finally moved | UK diy | |||
Barn door | Home Repair | |||
Sliding Barn Door Track Question | Home Repair | |||
Plans needed for Pole Barn Storage Shed with Sliding Door | Woodworking | |||
sliding door for a shed or barn | Home Repair |