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How to stain red oak to look slightly yellow
I have added cabinets to our kitchen using red oak, the exsiting
cabinets also made from red oak appear to have been finished "natural" but have a slightly yellow look, and there is not much contrast of the grain... very good looking finish. My cabinets however look like oak, lots of grain, lots of contrast and more on the red, orange side... Any suggestions would be appriciated... |
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How to stain red oak to look slightly yellow
scottsignmart wrote:
I have added cabinets to our kitchen using red oak, the exsiting cabinets also made from red oak appear to have been finished "natural" but have a slightly yellow look, and there is not much contrast of the grain... very good looking finish. My cabinets however look like oak, lots of grain, lots of contrast and more on the red, orange side... Any suggestions would be appriciated... You'll have to use a dye instead of a pigment stain. Either wiped on, or sprayed on (my preference for maximum grain minimization). I add yellow and amber dye to fruitwood dye to get than yellowish color you probably are describing. I shoot the dye with a .026 " tip in my HVLP. Dave |
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"David" wrote in message ... scottsignmart wrote: I have added cabinets to our kitchen using red oak, the exsiting cabinets also made from red oak appear to have been finished "natural" but have a slightly yellow look, and there is not much contrast of the grain... very good looking finish. My cabinets however look like oak, lots of grain, lots of contrast and more on the red, orange side... Any suggestions would be appriciated... You'll have to use a dye instead of a pigment stain. Either wiped on, or sprayed on (my preference for maximum grain minimization). I add yellow and amber dye to fruitwood dye to get than yellowish color you probably are describing. I shoot the dye with a .026 " tip in my HVLP. Disagree the dye, prefer pigment for more consistent and predictable results. The chemicals which color your oak differently will also react differently to chemical dying. Laying tiny pieces of pigmented stuff on the surface will increase the amount of yellow returning to your eye, guaranteed. Your old cabinets have been bleached by their environment, I would assume, and are lighter as a consequence. |
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"David" wrote in message
... scottsignmart wrote: I have added cabinets to our kitchen using red oak, the exsiting cabinets also made from red oak appear to have been finished "natural" but have a slightly yellow look, and there is not much contrast of the grain... very good looking finish. My cabinets however look like oak, lots of grain, lots of contrast and more on the red, orange side... Any suggestions would be appriciated... You'll have to use a dye instead of a pigment stain. Either wiped on, or sprayed on (my preference for maximum grain minimization). I add yellow and amber dye to fruitwood dye to get than yellowish color you probably are describing. I shoot the dye with a .026 " tip in my HVLP. Disagree the dye, prefer pigment for more consistent and predictable results. The chemicals which color your oak differently will also react differently to chemical dying. Laying tiny pieces of pigmented stuff on the surface will increase the amount of yellow returning to your eye, guaranteed. Your old cabinets have been bleached by their environment, I would assume, and are lighter as a consequence.[/quote Thanks for your input George, can suggest a type/brand/color of pigment you're talking... never tried this before... Thanks again. |
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How to stain red oak to look slightly yellow
Patriarch wrote:
I read what the other fellows said, and don't necessarily agree. Red oak turns 'golden' when oiled, or shellaced or varnished. I don't know the exact chemical or physical reasons, but there is a marked change. Take some of your scrap, and try out a few of the uncolored finishes on your shelf on various pieces, and see if you don't get close to what's on your cabinets. I'll make that two! My entire house is red oak flooring, trim, and doors, installed and finished by me. It's a warm, rich, very gold color. All of my flooring is simply (3) coats of McCloskey Gym Seal clear oil-based varnish. Most oil varnishes and varnish blends, including Waterlox Original, would give the same effect. A light rub down, NOT a soaking, with boiled linseed oil (from any hardware or paint store) would add also add a golden color under other finishes. Commercially made Red Oak cabinetry is very commonly rubbed with BLO, sealed with a sanding sealer and sprayed with lacquer. I doubt stain is necessary. Barry |
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"scottsignmart" wrote in message m... can suggest a type/brand/color of pigment you're talking... never tried this before... An oil stain is pigment suspended in the oil vehicle. Any brand at the local Borg with a swatch that looks close is the one to try. Easiest to find is probably Minwax stain - golden oak. Commercial cabinets were probably stained to equalize anyway. As Paul R used to say, experiment on scrap rather than your project. |
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How to stain red oak to look slightly yellow
I recently purchased a solid oak bedroom set from the Amish in north
east Ohio. The oak set come with a finish called S2. You have the option of light oak, S2 finish or dark oak color. I wonder if anyone knows what they would use in a stain to come up with the S2 color or finish? |
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George wrote:
An oil stain is pigment suspended in the oil vehicle. Any brand at the local Borg with a swatch that looks close is the one to try. Easiest to find is probably Minwax stain - golden oak. Minwax Golden Oak is a dye stain, containing no pigment. |
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BT98 wrote:
I recently purchased a solid oak bedroom set from the Amish in north east Ohio. The oak set come with a finish called S2. Who named it "S2"? G Finish names placed on finished factory furniture are usually trade names, kind of like automotive paint. Ex:// I have a Toyota painted "Radiant Red". The name "Radiant Red" isn't meaningful alone, but with "Toyota" next to it, the name becomes an exact shade of red. Got a photo link, brand or dealer name, etc...? Many commercial wood finishes names are actually process names, involving some combination of dyes, pigments, toners, and clear coats. Unlike paint, a wood finish is often more than a simple stain color. With a little more info, I'm sure someone here can help! Barry |
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BT98 wrote:
I recently purchased a solid oak bedroom set from the Amish in north east Ohio. I forgot to mention, clear Gymseal (or Waterlox) over Red Oak results in the color shown here, in the photos below "MSDS" and "Safety": http://www.valspar.com/val/resident/gymseal.jsp The pink tint of the raw wood disappears on it's own. |
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How to stain red oak to look slightly yellow
Here is a comparison of light or natural to S2 finish oak.
http://www.shakeramish.com/pages/4/index.htm |
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"B A R R Y" wrote in message t... George wrote: An oil stain is pigment suspended in the oil vehicle. Any brand at the local Borg with a swatch that looks close is the one to try. Easiest to find is probably Minwax stain - golden oak. Minwax Golden Oak is a dye stain, containing no pigment. So what's that stuff on the bottom that I have to stir? |
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How to stain red oak to look slightly yellow
BT98 wrote:
Here is a comparison of light or natural to S2 finish oak. http://www.shakeramish.com/pages/4/index.htm The S2 looks pretty close to some red oak trim I did by mixing Minwax Golden Oak approximately 30:70 to 50:50 with Natural, then sealing with Zinnser Seal Coat, and finishing with two coats of McCloskey Gymseal. I can't tell exactly due to differences between computer monitors and sample boards. The Seal Coat and Gymseal both add a touch of amber over the slight touch of brown from the diluted GO stain. Try on scrap and compare. Remember, you won't really get the full effect of any stain (or wood, for that matter) until you put all of the sanding sealers and finish coats on. |
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George wrote:
So what's that stuff on the bottom that I have to stir? There wasn't anything to stir in the Golden Oak I've used. Maybe I'm getting fresher product? |
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How to stain red oak to look slightly yellow
It's probably just a slight variation of S1. If you can find out what S1 is,
you can figure it out. "BT98" wrote in message oups.com... I recently purchased a solid oak bedroom set from the Amish in north east Ohio. The oak set come with a finish called S2. You have the option of light oak, S2 finish or dark oak color. I wonder if anyone knows what they would use in a stain to come up with the S2 color or finish? |
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