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The Glue-Up Monster
I am a 3-year rookie at furniture making and glue ups still freak me out.
Does anyone else out there freak out during glue ups? Every time I glue up a piece of furniture I turn into a freaken lunatic and my wife (my glue up assistant) just looks at me like im insane. I keep my cool during the other aspects of furniture making and rather enjoy it, but glue ups....ugg moan.....!!! Anyone else? |
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stoutman wrote: I am a 3-year rookie at furniture making and glue ups still freak me out. Does anyone else out there freak out during glue ups? Every time I glue up a piece of furniture I turn into a freaken lunatic and my wife (my glue up assistant) just looks at me like im insane. I keep my cool during the other aspects of furniture making and rather enjoy it, but glue ups....ugg moan.....!!! Anyone else? The way I was taught was to do a dry fit and clamp up to identify any problems first. Then make notes of what clamping order is required. Remove the clamps from the dry fit. Then glue and clamp. In a very complex setup or if there are problems getting all the clamps in place I will glue in sections with the other components dry fit to keep things square. Use a glue with a reasonable work time. |
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stoutman wrote:
I am a 3-year rookie at furniture making and glue ups still freak me out. Does anyone else out there freak out during glue ups? Every time I glue up a piece of furniture I turn into a freaken lunatic and my wife (my glue up assistant) just looks at me like im insane. I keep my cool during the other aspects of furniture making and rather enjoy it, but glue ups....ugg moan.....!!! Anyone else? G'day Stoutman, I understand exactly what you are going through. With pieces slipping, padding pieces falling out before you get the clamp tight,Wondering why in the hell we haven't another couple of hands, and why the clamp manufactures always put stops in the wrong position. It brings out the best in me also. regards John |
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"stoutman" .@. wrote in message m... Anyone else? I don't dare involve my wife in glue-ups. I tell her to steer clear if she hears me shout "I'm glueing". The Titebond Extend glue helped me get through some rather large glue ups by my self. Bob |
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Thanks for the input. I have clamped in sections before, but i never
thought of dry fitting the other components to help with squareness. I'm gonna try that next time. If that doesn't work I'm gonna look into getting a third arm cloned Thanks! wrote in message oups.com... stoutman wrote: I am a 3-year rookie at furniture making and glue ups still freak me out. Does anyone else out there freak out during glue ups? Every time I glue up a piece of furniture I turn into a freaken lunatic and my wife (my glue up assistant) just looks at me like im insane. I keep my cool during the other aspects of furniture making and rather enjoy it, but glue ups....ugg moan.....!!! Anyone else? The way I was taught was to do a dry fit and clamp up to identify any problems first. Then make notes of what clamping order is required. Remove the clamps from the dry fit. Then glue and clamp. In a very complex setup or if there are problems getting all the clamps in place I will glue in sections with the other components dry fit to keep things square. Use a glue with a reasonable work time. |
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My analyst told me that type of behaviour is a result of not having enough
clamps and/or having a shop that is too small. Both are easily treatable conditions and can be accomplished with minimal side effects. Should you seek treatment, be careful in selecting a practioner. Words of wisdom that have been previously given to me a Buy quality once or buy crap continuously. Should you choose treatment, good luck. "stoutman" .@. wrote in message m... I am a 3-year rookie at furniture making and glue ups still freak me out. Does anyone else out there freak out during glue ups? Every time I glue up a piece of furniture I turn into a freaken lunatic and my wife (my glue up assistant) just looks at me like im insane. I keep my cool during the other aspects of furniture making and rather enjoy it, but glue ups....ugg moan.....!!! Anyone else? |
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Get's a bit heated at my house also during even simple glue ups, I
think a check list on the wall just before being done would help too. I always forget to check square in one direction of another too. David Marks uses the plastic resin glue a great deal in his woodworks show for the up to 1 hour open time. Although you have to leave the parts in the clamps for 24 hours, I am going to buy some for the extra peace of mind tomorrow while I get a couple of pipe unions to extend some pipe clamps for a curio carase I am having trouble gluing up. img src="http://www.webbyhome.com:8080/ia5/photos/curio_shell_small.jpg" Alan |
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The way I was taught was to do a dry fit and clamp up to identify any
problems first. Few of us could provide better advice. When you do a dry fit and test you will have all of your materials and clamps at hand. The procedure is in you mind. Your next step, especially with more challenging assemblies, is just to focus on the task. If you have a phone in the shop, temporarily disable it. If your wife isn't helping you, let here know you will be occupied with a glue up. My wife has helped with several and understands completely. RonB |
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John B wrote:
stoutman wrote: I am a 3-year rookie at furniture making and glue ups still freak me out. Does anyone else out there freak out during glue ups? Every time I glue up a piece of furniture I turn into a freaken lunatic and my wife (my glue up assistant) just looks at me like im insane. I keep my cool during the other aspects of furniture making and rather enjoy it, but glue ups....ugg moan.....!!! Anyone else? G'day Stoutman, I understand exactly what you are going through. With pieces slipping, padding pieces falling out before you get the clamp tight,Wondering why in the hell we haven't another couple of hands, and why the clamp manufactures always put stops in the wrong position. It brings out the best in me also. regards John I think you have to be a saint to not come "un-glued" when doing a difficult glue up, especially when you have a big piece and long clamps and stuff is moving around and it just isn't square. Anymore, I just keep shifting clamps even if one has to be pretty crooked to the clamped edges to get things square. If I can't possibly move it by hand cause the glue has set up and it pops and snaps when tightening a clamp to get it to move into alignment, I am no longer bothered. The glue joints always solid anyway. Course I'm not talking hours, I'm still talking about a frantic 15-20 minutes. The whole thing may have to be assembled and clamped at one time to make sure everything is aligned and square, but not all joints have to glued at the same time. So look at it and see how to glue it in two stages if assembly and clamping is going to take a long time. |
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I know what you're talking about. I wouldn't say I become a
glue-monster, but I definitely sweat more during glue-ups than any other point in the process, even after dry-fitting and dry-clamping. No advice beyond what's been given; just wanted to let you know I can identify. Andy |
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stoutman wrote:
I am a 3-year rookie at furniture making and glue ups still freak me out. Does anyone else out there freak out during glue ups? Every time I glue up a piece of furniture I turn into a freaken lunatic and my wife (my glue up assistant) just looks at me like im insane. I keep my cool during the other aspects of furniture making and rather enjoy it, but glue ups....ugg moan.....!!! Anyone else? Do sub -assemblies, square them up if they're suppose to be squared up, angled to the desired angle if they're suppose to be angled and use set up "blocks" that can be placed inside or outside and clamped. Make them out of 3/4" MDD and if they need special angles, cut them on the miter saw or SCMS if they're really tricky. Example: Holes are for one side of the clamp to go in. Also cut off the corner so you don't glue the block to your piece +--+ / ( ) | / | / | | ( ) | ______/ Use traditional joinery - they're self aligning - AND self supporting - if you do them right. If you're going to use any special hardware - like knife hinges or ball catches make sure your joinery selections will accomodate their installation. http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...eredDoors4.htm DRY FIT For mortise and tenon joints, bevel the top edges of the mortise and the end edges of the tenon - they'll give you some slop in initial alignment and then go together nice and snug. Bevel the end(s) fo dowels and, where it won't show, the hole they're going into. Work out a clmaping orientation that'll let you see critical joints so you can verify that they close completely. Here's a narrative of my biggest glue up "challenge" to hopefully make you feel less alone. http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/MT/CBbench18.html And to make you feel better, James Krenov finds glue up the most stressful part of his work. charlie b |
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"stoutman" .@. wrote in message m... I am a 3-year rookie at furniture making and glue ups still freak me out. Does anyone else out there freak out during glue ups? Every time I glue up a piece of furniture I turn into a freaken lunatic and my wife (my glue up assistant) just looks at me like im insane. I keep my cool during the other aspects of furniture making and rather enjoy it, but glue ups....ugg moan.....!!! Hide half of your clamps. It is well-known that possessing more clamps leads to more ambitious and time-consuming glue-ups. Some people get things into register and shoot a brad in to hold it until the glue dries. A real marriage-saver, that. |
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I don't know what all the fuss is about. A couple of dozen brads per
yard and everything keeps together real nice. FoggyTown |
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RonB wrote:snip_ If you have a phone in the shop, temporarily disable
it. _snip. Seems it never fails to ring during a glue-up! Tom |
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Picture this situation...
A curved irregular shape hand rail 33 feet long, comprised of 14 pieces of odd shaped material. Now add to that the fact that not only does the rail have to curve, but it also has to twist to keep it aligned with the staircase. You wanna talk about SWEAT!!!! In actuality it came off like a breeze. All it takes is six people and a lot of hustle. One guy at the top end with a six foot pipe clamp providing both pull and twist. Three people placing clamps and blocks starting from the bottom and working feverishly towards the top. Two people following washing the excess glue and inspecting the seams to insure a tight glue joint in all 13 seams. At the time we were using Tightbond II as it provided a longer working time than regular Tightbond. I now use Tightbond Extend for all my curved or difficult glueups. While we had to work fast we also worked smart! Do it right the first time and you won't have to fix it later. It looked like the proverbial Monkey and the football, but we did know what we were doing. I do a lot of bent glue ups and as all the others have said, DRY FIT, DRY FIT, DRY FIT!!!!! That allows you to identify the problem areas and address them without fighting the glue setting on you. As for the number of clamps, you can never have enough. my web site shows several examples of extreme clamping. I NEVER use a brad I can't cut off or hide. I built a kitchen this year that has no visible fasteners at all with the exception of the top crown which is fastened with a micro pinner. For curved glueups I use stainless steel bands torqued to about 150lbs. This applies even pressure along the entire blank and eliminates the point pressure irregularities caused by individual clamps. Well good luck to all. Keep the joints tight, and the fasteners few. Tom in Oregon www.resourcecreations.biz "stoutman" .@. wrote in message m... I am a 3-year rookie at furniture making and glue ups still freak me out. Does anyone else out there freak out during glue ups? Every time I glue up a piece of furniture I turn into a freaken lunatic and my wife (my glue up assistant) just looks at me like im insane. I keep my cool during the other aspects of furniture making and rather enjoy it, but glue ups....ugg moan.....!!! Anyone else? |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:38:09 GMT, "stoutman" .@. wrote:
I am a 3-year rookie at furniture making and glue ups still freak me out. Does anyone else out there freak out during glue ups? Every time I glue up a piece of furniture I turn into a freaken lunatic and my wife (my glue up assistant) just looks at me like im insane. I keep my cool during the other aspects of furniture making and rather enjoy it, but glue ups....ugg moan.....!!! Anyone else? On complicated glue ups, I've found it helps to do a dry run and time it to see if there will be enough glue open time. Then I take a couple of pictures of the clamped work from different angles with the digital camera. Print them off and have them for reference when I do the real thing. Frank |
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tom wrote:
RonB wrote:snip_ If you have a phone in the shop, temporarily disable it. _snip. Seems it never fails to ring during a glue-up! Tom So? you don't have to answer the phone. I told my in-laws that I answer the phone only when I want to and never when it is inconvenient. Seems they, like many people, think that answering the phone is mandatory. Hell, I also believe than answering the door bell is optional. |
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lgb wrote:
In article , says... The biggest difference is that white glue will creep especially with a higher temperatures. AFAIK, so will yellow glue. But maybe less. For a long open time, there's always hide glue. I like the AFAIK. In tables of glue properties, I have never seen in included for yellow (carpenters) glue, only white (polyvinyl) glue. I have never had a yellow glue joint creep, break if poorly glued or break the other wood near the joint, but never creep. Oh, the other big think is yellow glue sands well, white doesn't, |
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As for the number of clamps, you can never have enough. my web site shows several examples of extreme clamping. I NEVER use a brad I can't cut off or hide. I built a kitchen this year that has no visible fasteners at all with the exception of the top crown which is fastened with a micro pinner. Nice drive-by gloat - in one shot I counted no fewer than 16 K-bodies! |
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