I need a source for such bits, 10" long with full length flutes
in HSS. It is a REALLY huge search online, any sure thing pointers
for a good reasonable price?

(for bench bolting the trestle) any help needed and apprreciated, TIA,

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AAvK wrote:

I need a source for such bits, 10" long with full length flutes
in HSS. It is a REALLY huge search online, any sure thing pointers
for a good reasonable price?

(for bench bolting the trestle) any help needed and apprreciated, TIA,

Why not ship augur?

Why not ship augur?


Duane,

I have solid center augers, square tapered head type, they won't stay straight
in the SCDJ as the flutes are too far apart (SS bits actually have one flute).
I suspect the same problem with a ship auger.

The cutting end of the #8 (1/2") won't fit through the 1/2" guide hole either,
but I can install a regular shank brad point bit into the Yankee 2101-10 brace,
the chuck is made for it. Reason enough?

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In article s_Hze.30257$ro.20968@fed1read02, AAvK wrote:

I need a source for such bits, 10" long with full length flutes
in HSS. It is a REALLY huge search online, any sure thing pointers
for a good reasonable price?

(for bench bolting the trestle) any help needed and apprreciated, TIA,

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If mediocre quality is OK for your application, Harbor Freight sells a
very reasonably priced set.


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If mediocre quality is OK for your application, Harbor Freight sells a
very reasonably priced set.
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland


Extra long brad point bits in HSS? Take another thorough look, I did.

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:22:36 -0700, "AAvK" wrote:


If mediocre quality is OK for your application, Harbor Freight sells a
very reasonably priced set.
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland


Extra long brad point bits in HSS? Take another thorough look, I did.


if you are unable to find the bits you want in a brad point, consider
getting them in regular 'ol point and learn to grind a brad point.
it's not as hard as you might think...

if you are unable to find the bits you want in a brad point, consider
getting them in regular 'ol point and learn to grind a brad point.
it's not as hard as you might think...


Thanks, I know that can be done but extra long regular bits are a little less
cost than brad points, especially in HSS, so there isn't much "point" (lol).
Also, I don't use an electric grinder, know of the tutorial website?

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In article cqBAe.30892$ro.18318@fed1read02, AAvK wrote:

If mediocre quality is OK for your application, Harbor Freight sells a
very reasonably priced set.
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland


Extra long brad point bits in HSS? Take another thorough look, I did.

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Ijust checked and couldn't find them either. I have a set at home that
I'm sure I bought from HF. Either I'm istaken or HF is not currently
stocking them. When I get to my shop I'll check and see if they are
still packaged with a SKU number.


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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:12:23 GMT, the opaque
(Lawrence Wasserman) clearly wrote:

In article cqBAe.30892$ro.18318@fed1read02, AAvK wrote:

If mediocre quality is OK for your application, Harbor Freight sells a
very reasonably priced set.
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland

Extra long brad point bits in HSS? Take another thorough look, I did.

Ijust checked and couldn't find them either. I have a set at home that
I'm sure I bought from HF. Either I'm istaken or HF is not currently
stocking them. When I get to my shop I'll check and see if they are
still packaged with a SKU number.

I've seen them at the local HF store and almost bought them.
You're right, they're not on the website now.


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Ijust checked and couldn't find them either. I have a set at home that
I'm sure I bought from HF. Either I'm istaken or HF is not currently
stocking them. When I get to my shop I'll check and see if they are
still packaged with a SKU number.

Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland



Thanks Larry, actually I don't want them from HF, if I wanted Chinese I would buy
these ones:

http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPR...ARTNUM=120-548

....a more decent price for almost exactly what I want but I think the points are not
like the "flat" cutting knives like the Lee Valley ones, "rounded up to the spurs"
which is designed for soft woods but the flat cutters will do better for both hard
and soft.

I'll just buy the overpriced Fuller for **** sakes.

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AAvK wrote:

I need a source for such bits, 10" long with full length flutes
in HSS. It is a REALLY huge search online, any sure thing pointers
for a good reasonable price?


Just csme from the library where I just happened to see a set in the
spring MLCS catalog. At that time they were a sale item, but whether
are now, I've no clue...

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
AAvK wrote:

I need a source for such bits, 10" long with full length flutes
in HSS. It is a REALLY huge search online, any sure thing pointers
for a good reasonable price?


Just csme from the library where I just happened to see a set in the
spring MLCS catalog. At that time they were a sale item, but whether
are now, I've no clue...

I went over there and looked. What they have is a five inch extender for
their forstner bits.

I ASSume that it would work with other types of bits. I am not sure I would
recommend this. You would have to make sure that no unusual lateral forces
would be on the extended shank. I supposed if you took it slow and easy, you
could get by.

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...es/forsext.htm

Lee Michaels wrote:

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
AAvK wrote:

I need a source for such bits, 10" long with full length flutes
in HSS. It is a REALLY huge search online, any sure thing pointers
for a good reasonable price?


Just csme from the library where I just happened to see a set in the
spring MLCS catalog. At that time they were a sale item, but whether
are now, I've no clue...

I went over there and looked. What they have is a five inch extender for
their forstner bits.

The catalog ...rummage, rummage... C-64 p51 shows "7 Piece Extra Long
Brad Point Set". Item #9150, Sale Price 14.65, Reg 24.95. 12" long,
1/8" to 1/2" by 1/16".

"Duane Bozarth" wrote

Lee Michaels wrote:

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
AAvK wrote:

I need a source for such bits, 10" long with full length flutes
in HSS. It is a REALLY huge search online, any sure thing pointers
for a good reasonable price?


Just csme from the library where I just happened to see a set in the
spring MLCS catalog. At that time they were a sale item, but whether
are now, I've no clue...

I went over there and looked. What they have is a five inch extender for
their forstner bits.

The catalog ...rummage, rummage... C-64 p51 shows "7 Piece Extra Long
Brad Point Set". Item #9150, Sale Price 14.65, Reg 24.95. 12" long,
1/8" to 1/2" by 1/16".

Duane, you have the exalted kung fu catalog touch down pat. You are no doubt
a master of sorts.

I did not see a way to access their print catalog. Here is the page.

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops.../cat/p/051.htm

Lee Michaels wrote:

"Duane Bozarth" wrote

Lee Michaels wrote:

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
AAvK wrote:

I need a source for such bits, 10" long with full length flutes
in HSS. It is a REALLY huge search online, any sure thing pointers
for a good reasonable price?


Just csme from the library where I just happened to see a set in the
spring MLCS catalog. At that time they were a sale item, but whether
are now, I've no clue...

I went over there and looked. What they have is a five inch extender for
their forstner bits.

The catalog ...rummage, rummage... C-64 p51 shows "7 Piece Extra Long
Brad Point Set". Item #9150, Sale Price 14.65, Reg 24.95. 12" long,
1/8" to 1/2" by 1/16".

Duane, you have the exalted kung fu catalog touch down pat. You are no doubt
a master of sorts.

I did not see a way to access their print catalog. Here is the page.

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops.../cat/p/051.htm

I didn't use the web site, as noted I just stumbled over them
(undoubtedly again, but then I wasn't interested before) in the printed
version...

Try Garrett Wade www.garrettwade.com They have brad points 12" long for
a decent price.

AAvK wrote:
Ijust checked and couldn't find them either. I have a set at home that
I'm sure I bought from HF. Either I'm istaken or HF is not currently
stocking them. When I get to my shop I'll check and see if they are
still packaged with a SKU number.

Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland



Thanks Larry, actually I don't want them from HF, if I wanted Chinese I would buy
these ones:

http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPR...ARTNUM=120-548

...a more decent price for almost exactly what I want but I think the points are not
like the "flat" cutting knives like the Lee Valley ones, "rounded up to the spurs"
which is designed for soft woods but the flat cutters will do better for both hard
and soft.

I'll just buy the overpriced Fuller for **** sakes.

--
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cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
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Lee Michaels wrote:

"Duane Bozarth" wrote

Lee Michaels wrote:

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
AAvK wrote:

I need a source for such bits, 10" long with full length flutes
in HSS. It is a REALLY huge search online, any sure thing pointers
for a good reasonable price?


Just csme from the library where I just happened to see a set in the
spring MLCS catalog. At that time they were a sale item, but whether
are now, I've no clue...

I went over there and looked. What they have is a five inch extender for
their forstner bits.

The catalog ...rummage, rummage... C-64 p51 shows "7 Piece Extra Long
Brad Point Set". Item #9150, Sale Price 14.65, Reg 24.95. 12" long,
1/8" to 1/2" by 1/16".

Duane, you have the exalted kung fu catalog touch down pat. You are no doubt
a master of sorts.

I did not see a way to access their print catalog. Here is the page.

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops.../cat/p/051.htm

Well, I accepted the challenge...

From the home page searching for "brad point" leads to a set of links
the second of which is

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...s/drlbrad.html

which shows item #9150 at the top left hand of the page...

Duane Bozarth wrote:
....
... top left^h^h^h right hand of the page...

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...s/drlbrad.html

appears to be extra long brad point bits...

Lee Michaels wrote:

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...

AAvK wrote:

I need a source for such bits, 10" long with full length flutes
in HSS. It is a REALLY huge search online, any sure thing pointers
for a good reasonable price?


Just csme from the library where I just happened to see a set in the
spring MLCS catalog. At that time they were a sale item, but whether
are now, I've no clue...


I went over there and looked. What they have is a five inch extender for
their forstner bits.

I ASSume that it would work with other types of bits. I am not sure I would
recommend this. You would have to make sure that no unusual lateral forces
would be on the extended shank. I supposed if you took it slow and easy, you
could get by.

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...es/forsext.htm

Here is another set:

http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPR...ARTNUM=960-791

Lee Michaels wrote:


I need a source for such bits, 10" long with full length flutes
in HSS. It is a REALLY huge search online, any sure thing pointers
for a good reasonable price?

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...s/drlbrad.html

appears to be extra long brad point bits...


Right but those flutes are way too short and they are definitely
HCS... who would want that?

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"Pat Barber" wrote in message ...
Here is another set:

http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPR...ARTNUM=960-791


That link is in my previous reply to bridger though the last set of
numbers is different.

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Well, I accepted the challenge...

From the home page searching for "brad point" leads to a set of links
the second of which is

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...s/drlbrad.html

which shows item #9150 at the top left hand of the page...


Problem I have with those guys, it's either HCS or carbide tipped. No HSS.
Take a look at this: http://www.bitsnbores.com/ click "Tool catagories".

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:39:25 -0700, "AAvK" wrote:


if you are unable to find the bits you want in a brad point, consider
getting them in regular 'ol point and learn to grind a brad point.
it's not as hard as you might think...


Thanks, I know that can be done but extra long regular bits are a little less
cost than brad points, especially in HSS, so there isn't much "point" (lol).
Also, I don't use an electric grinder, know of the tutorial website?

here's some basic info on drill bit sharpening:
http://www.woodcraft.com/articles.aspx?articleid=267
http://yarchive.net/metal/drill_grinding.html
http://yarchive.net/metal/straight_hole_wood.html

the difference will be obvious once you get into it- but you will need
a grinder to work with the high speed steel. what you will need is
either a narrow grinding wheel or a metal cutoff disk.






are these long enough?
http://www.mcfeelys.com/subcat.asp?subcat=2.2.1
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx...2&FamilyID=773

Try these folks
http://www.woodtechtooling.com/Fores...y_tooling.html

Try Garrett Wade www.garrettwade.com They have brad points 12" long for
a decent price.


http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/...oductID=105781

Uh-huh... and I wouldn't mind if you proved it.

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Try

http://www.garrettwade.com/jump.jsp?...oductID=107057

Item # 35N05.01 $12.95 for a set of 7.

AAvK wrote:
Try Garrett Wade www.garrettwade.com They have brad points 12" long for
a decent price.


http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/...oductID=105781

Uh-huh... and I wouldn't mind if you proved it.

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Try

http://www.garrettwade.com/jump.jsp?...oductID=107057

Item # 35N05.01 $12.95 for a set of 7.


You got me there! I saw that page but the brad point part was obscure to me.
But there still would be no way they would be HSS at that price. Thanx.

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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:00:35 -0700, "AAvK" wrote:


Try

http://www.garrettwade.com/jump.jsp?...oductID=107057

Item # 35N05.01 $12.95 for a set of 7.


You got me there! I saw that page but the brad point part was obscure to me.
But there still would be no way they would be HSS at that price. Thanx.


why the thing about HSS? you need them for one job. after that they
will likely sit in a drawer for a few years before you need them
again. if they get dull, sharpen 'em.

They may very well be HSS. At this price, there is no doubt that they are
Chinese. When you can get Chinese made 115 piece jobbers drill bit sets
(HSS) for $30.00, these bits are way expensive in comparison. Plain carbon
steel (twist) drill bits are just not very common these days.
"AAvK" wrote in message
news:UtmCe.44855$ro.18377@fed1read02...

You got me there! I saw that page but the brad point part was obscure to
me.
But there still would be no way they would be HSS at that price. Thanx.

Well... in any case thanks for all the input and help guys, I appreciate it.

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"AAvK" wrote in message
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Well... in any case thanks for all the input and help guys, I appreciate
it.

Were you able to finally find drill bits that met your specifications?

Were you able to finally find drill bits that met your specifications?


SURE! You bet I did! At high cost too. WL Fuller bits from Bits 'n' Bores,
I bought one only though, an HSS 1/2"-er that is 10" long with 7-1/2" of
twist. They give really fast service which I like. I think for the quality, which
is genuine, it is really the way to go. $26.xx + s/h.

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"AAvK" wrote

Were you able to finally find drill bits that met your specifications?


SURE! You bet I did! At high cost too. WL Fuller bits from Bits 'n' Bores,
I bought one only though, an HSS 1/2"-er that is 10" long with 7-1/2" of
twist. They give really fast service which I like. I think for the
quality, which
is genuine, it is really the way to go. $26.xx + s/h.

Along time ago, I was involved in making lots of rustic style furniture.
Lots of planks, lag screws, etc. I found that the garden variety bits were
not serving me very well. I had a friend refer me to a commercial supplier.
I walked into a big room with counters, a bunch of counter guys and huge
warehouses in back.

I told them what I wanted. They went in back and got the few bits I needed
in the sizes I required I went with one of each and two of one size. When
they told me how much they cost, I almost fainted. Recovering my composure,
I paid the man. It was a smart move. Those bits worked flawlessly and hardly
ever needed sharpening. I still use them 25 years later.

You get what you pay for.

You get what you pay for.


Yes, me as a newbie I have been learning that just a shot too much, which
was part of my decision. I think I'll build up a set of the 8" long brad drills
slowly over time, it will be worth it. And what I got, just "well made" all
the way.

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