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Jet mini opinions: VS or not?
I'm helping my brother get back into turning and he's pretty sure that the Jet
mini is what he wants... His problem is that he likes the size and low noise level of the mini but sort of likes the reeves drive on my Jet 1442... but no store that we went to had a mini with VS to look at.. Has anyone had experience on the mini with AND without the reeves? I really can't be objective, since I've had a Shopsmith for years and both it and the 1442 have the reeves type while my mini doesn't... Anyone here that has used both and has pro/con comments? thanks.. Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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My father has a VS mini Jet. He does all kinds of work on it. I've
done a bit of work on it myself. I like the variable speed that one can control from the outside of the motor, whether it's electronic (variable resistor), or Reeves. My first lathe was a five speeder, switched by moving the belt along different sized pullys. This got to be a pain after a while. My lathe has a Reeves control, and I must say that I like the electronic version better, but I'm just being picky. The mini Jets (all of them, I believe) have three belt settings, and the electronic speed control moves along three different speed ranges. Most of the time, he has it on the highest belt setting, and only moves down to a slower belt speed for fine sanding or very large objects. Access to the belt is simple enough. Obviously the designers at Jet thought about this feature. Spending the extra bucks for a VS is a good investment, in my opinion. I suppose if I was to complain about something, it would be that it took Jet forever and a day to replace a broken motor. Some of that may be due in part to the local dealer. |
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Jet mini opinions: VS or not?
"mac davis" wrote in message ... I'm helping my brother get back into turning and he's pretty sure that the Jet mini is what he wants... His problem is that he likes the size and low noise level of the mini but sort of likes the reeves drive on my Jet 1442... but no store that we went to had a mini with VS to look at.. If the minis have a weakness, it's the minimum speed. Without the VS, it's 500. Fast for some roughs near capacity. Logically, the variable would allow lower speeds. Illogically, it does not. As I don't turn above 680, nor below 360, nor am I able to turn in between on turnings from 400mm bowls to ornament finials, it would be a waste of my money. Reversing? makes no sense to a power sanding type and on cross-grained bowls. Long-grained stuff would result in cross-grain in either direction, so it also appears to be something I can do without. |
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"George" wrote: (clip) Reversing? makes no sense to a power sanding type and on cross-grained bowls. Long-grained stuff would result in cross-grain in either direction, (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ When you sand, tiny fibres of the wood grain lie down and are not cut off. When you reverse, these fibres are lifted, and at least partially removed. I believe this works on both long-grain and cross-grain sanding. |
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"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message ... "George" wrote: (clip) Reversing? makes no sense to a power sanding type and on cross-grained bowls. Long-grained stuff would result in cross-grain in either direction, (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ When you sand, tiny fibres of the wood grain lie down and are not cut off. When you reverse, these fibres are lifted, and at least partially removed. I believe this works on both long-grain and cross-grain sanding. Nope, works in flat work. Reverse the bowl, and what you laid down is picked up, while what you picked up you lay down. |
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mac davis wrote: His problem is that he likes the size and low noise level of the mini but sort of likes the reeves drive on my Jet 1442... but no store that we went to had a mini with VS to look at.. Has anyone had experience on the mini with AND without the reeves? I would choose an electronic VS over a Reeves for the drive any day. The Reeves is a mechanical system that needs periodic maintenance while the VS does not. -- Owen Lowe Northwest Woodturners Pacific Northwest Woodturning Guild ___ Tips fer Turnin': Place a sign, easily seen as you switch on your lathe, warning you to remove any and all rings from your fingers. Called degloving, extended hardware can grab your ring and rip it off your finger. A pic for the strong of stomach: www.itim.nsw.gov.au/go/objectid/2A3AC703-1321-1C29-70B067DC88E16BFC/index.cfm Besides, rings can easily mar the surface of a turning as you check for finished smoothness. |
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Hi Mac
No reeves here, but I have a 6 speed mini, and not the VS one. The biggest drawback in IMO is the high minimum speed of those little lathes, and also the low power. The power on the VS is even lower at the lowest speed, as basically the power input is reduced to get the lowest speed. With the non variable speed ones you get the most power to the spindle at the lowest speed. Still the little lathes are good value for the money, but a jet pilot should be able to afford a top of the line Oneway, (BIG ONE or SMALL ONE). (also would make a good excuse to go and visit your brother more often, if you need one) GG You can turn small stuff on a big lathe, not the other way around, and they have reverse for turning and sanding, always made for a better finish over here !!, (just like the other Leo said). http://homepage.mac.com/l.vanderloo/PhotoAlbum28.html Have fun and take care Leo Van Der Loo |
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Jet mini opinions: VS or not?
Well, the Jet Mini does not have a Reeves drive. Speed control is
accomplished with a rheostat and swapping the belt on the step pulleys. I understand that it takes both the rheostat and the step pulleys to get the whole range of speeds. I have a Jet Mini without VS and it works just fine without it. For a small lathe, you really don't need VS. It is very nice on larger lathes like the PM 3520, Stubbys, Oneways and others. Barry "mac davis" wrote in message ... I'm helping my brother get back into turning and he's pretty sure that the Jet mini is what he wants... His problem is that he likes the size and low noise level of the mini but sort of likes the reeves drive on my Jet 1442... but no store that we went to had a mini with VS to look at.. Has anyone had experience on the mini with AND without the reeves? I really can't be objective, since I've had a Shopsmith for years and both it and the 1442 have the reeves type while my mini doesn't... Anyone here that has used both and has pro/con comments? thanks.. Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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wrote: (clip) they have reverse for turning and sanding, always made for a better finish over here !!, (just like the other Leo said). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Good point about reverse for turning. Sometimes using reverse makes it a lot easier to work inside a reentrant shoulder near the opening. Regarding sanding in reverse, I once asked my son's shop teacher what he thought, and he said, "Just turn the sandpaper around." ;-) |
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I'm another vote for the non-VS - I have two lathes, one of which is a
Nova Comet - it's the size of the jet mini, but the motor was sold separately so I got the lathe and then picked up a washing machine motor for $5 - I think I got a slightly better machine for about $100 less that way. that said, as I recall, I wired the motor with a reversing switch (I say it that way because I only use the little lathe for pens now and haven't tuned it on in about a year) - the 1/4 hp washing machine motor has plenty of power for that size lathe (and is more powerful, it seems than the motor supplied with the jet, which has a higher HP rating). On a small lathe like that,if you need a lower speed you are turning too big an object. When I wanted a really slow speed for uniformly drying laquer or other finish without drips, I used a BBQ motor and a piece of rubber hose jammed into the hole through the spindle to turn it at a steady slow speed. My metal lathe has a reeves drive (and I added a VFD to get 3 phase to run it) - the reeves drive is noisy - I'd much rather have step pulleys. On Thu, 04 May 2006 07:19:39 -0700, mac davis wrote: I'm helping my brother get back into turning and he's pretty sure that the Jet mini is what he wants... His problem is that he likes the size and low noise level of the mini but sort of likes the reeves drive on my Jet 1442... but no store that we went to had a mini with VS to look at.. Has anyone had experience on the mini with AND without the reeves? I really can't be objective, since I've had a Shopsmith for years and both it and the 1442 have the reeves type while my mini doesn't... Anyone here that has used both and has pro/con comments? thanks.. Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
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IMHO since the largest diameter possible is so small I find that I have my
mini on high speed almost always. If I use a slower speed to rough it's very easy to jam. You need speed to create enough inertia to overcome some of the small catches while roughing. Quite a bit different than my Powermatic. TomNie |
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 12:35:33 -0400, "George" George@least wrote:
If the minis have a weakness, it's the minimum speed. Without the VS, it's 500. Fast for some roughs near capacity. Logically, the variable would allow lower speeds. Illogically, it does not. Does the VS on the mini give you a lower speed than the "manual" system? If so, that would be a major consideration... As I don't turn above 680, nor below 360, nor am I able to turn in between on turnings from 400mm bowls to ornament finials, it would be a waste of my money. Reversing? makes no sense to a power sanding type and on cross-grained bowls. Long-grained stuff would result in cross-grain in either direction, so it also appears to be something I can do without. Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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On Fri, 5 May 2006 06:56:33 -0400, "Tom Nie" wrote:
IMHO since the largest diameter possible is so small I find that I have my mini on high speed almost always. If I use a slower speed to rough it's very easy to jam. You need speed to create enough inertia to overcome some of the small catches while roughing. Quite a bit different than my Powermatic. TomNie Wow.... I've turned everything from pens to large vases on my Jet mini and never used the higher speeds until I started using to buff bowls.. Maybe you need to do a little more sharpening and use lower tool pressure, Tom.. *g* Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:02:23 -0700, Owen Lowe wrote:
In article , mac davis wrote: His problem is that he likes the size and low noise level of the mini but sort of likes the reeves drive on my Jet 1442... but no store that we went to had a mini with VS to look at.. Has anyone had experience on the mini with AND without the reeves? I would choose an electronic VS over a Reeves for the drive any day. The Reeves is a mechanical system that needs periodic maintenance while the VS does not. Me too, Owen.. but not only is electronic more expensive, I don't believe it's an option on the mini.. I'd love to be able to spend another $800 to $1,000 for eltronic/digital on my lathe.. *g* Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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On 4 May 2006 13:53:09 -0700, "
wrote: Hi Mac No reeves here, but I have a 6 speed mini, and not the VS one. The biggest drawback in IMO is the high minimum speed of those little lathes, and also the low power. The power on the VS is even lower at the lowest speed, as basically the power input is reduced to get the lowest speed. With the non variable speed ones you get the most power to the spindle at the lowest speed. Still the little lathes are good value for the money, but a jet pilot should be able to afford a top of the line Oneway, (BIG ONE or SMALL ONE). (also would make a good excuse to go and visit your brother more often, if you need one) GG You can turn small stuff on a big lathe, not the other way around, and they have reverse for turning and sanding, always made for a better finish over here !!, (just like the other Leo said). http://homepage.mac.com/l.vanderloo/PhotoAlbum28.html Have fun and take care Leo Van Der Loo no Leo.. mechanic, not pilot.. lol It's not what he can afford, it's what I recommend to him... He has a garage full of flat working tools now and the mini will do what he wants to do for now and in a minimal space.. He likes my 14" lathe but that would be too big for his shop.. You opinion of the torque at low speeds is JUST the kind of thing I was looking for... My mini is like yours, my 14" has the reeves... but the 14" has 1 hp, too... Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 20:41:26 -0500, "Barry N. Turner"
wrote: wow... great info, Barry... My vote is to forget the vs and spend the difference in price on a decent chick.. Well, the Jet Mini does not have a Reeves drive. Speed control is accomplished with a rheostat and swapping the belt on the step pulleys. I understand that it takes both the rheostat and the step pulleys to get the whole range of speeds. I have a Jet Mini without VS and it works just fine without it. For a small lathe, you really don't need VS. It is very nice on larger lathes like the PM 3520, Stubbys, Oneways and others. Barry "mac davis" wrote in message .. . I'm helping my brother get back into turning and he's pretty sure that the Jet mini is what he wants... His problem is that he likes the size and low noise level of the mini but sort of likes the reeves drive on my Jet 1442... but no store that we went to had a mini with VS to look at.. Has anyone had experience on the mini with AND without the reeves? I really can't be objective, since I've had a Shopsmith for years and both it and the 1442 have the reeves type while my mini doesn't... Anyone here that has used both and has pro/con comments? thanks.. Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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mac davis wrote: Me too, Owen.. but not only is electronic more expensive, I don't believe it's an option on the mini.. The electronic VS *is* available on the Jet Mini (not yet on the Delta mini, surprisingly). The Reeve's drive is not on the mini - manual changing on stepped sheaves. Mini VS - $380ish: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00.../sr=1-2/ref=pd _bbs_2/103-0439586-2019867?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=hi&v=glance&n=228013 Mini Std - $305ish: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00.../sr=1-1/ref=pd _bbs_1/103-0439586-2019867?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=hi&v=glance&n=228013 -- Owen Lowe Northwest Woodturners Pacific Northwest Woodturning Guild ___ Tips fer Turnin': Place a sign, easily seen as you switch on your lathe, warning you to remove any and all rings from your fingers. Called degloving, extended hardware can grab your ring and rip it off your finger. A pic for the strong of stomach: www.itim.nsw.gov.au/go/objectid/2A3AC703-1321-1C29-70B067DC88E16BFC/index.cfm Besides, rings can easily mar the surface of a turning as you check for finished smoothness. |
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mac davis wrote: Me too, Owen.. but not only is electronic more expensive, I don't believe it's an option on the mini.. Mac, I just read another of your replies. If I'm reading right, you're calling your 14" Jet a "mini" - loosely speaking, your 14" is more of a midi. The Jet Mini is the 10" swing lathe. The Reeve's drive is used on your 14" but not the 10" Mini. -- Owen Lowe Northwest Woodturners Pacific Northwest Woodturning Guild ___ Tips fer Turnin': Place a sign, easily seen as you switch on your lathe, warning you to remove any and all rings from your fingers. Called degloving, extended hardware can grab your ring and rip it off your finger. A pic for the strong of stomach: www.itim.nsw.gov.au/go/objectid/2A3AC703-1321-1C29-70B067DC88E16BFC/index.cfm Besides, rings can easily mar the surface of a turning as you check for finished smoothness. |
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"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message ... wrote: (clip) they have reverse for turning and sanding, always made for a better finish over here !!, (just like the other Leo said). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Good point about reverse for turning. Sometimes using reverse makes it a lot easier to work inside a reentrant shoulder near the opening. Regarding sanding in reverse, I once asked my son's shop teacher what he thought, and he said, "Just turn the sandpaper around." ;-) Well, Leos, the business of reversing directions comes from sanding flat boards along the grain. Where the grain was rising along the direction of sanding, the fibers could be laterally compressed into the spaces between, which is why SOP was to make a water set and quickly sand in the opposite direction. To remove those whiskers which might stand up later when finishing, especially with shellac. Didn't make anything smoother. Grit being grit, couldn't. Since the grain meets the paper in opposite directions at either side of the endgrain on a rotating bowl, this technique is not applicable even with hand sanding. Also, as with flat work, where we now use orbital sanders, the action of a rotary (power) sander actually cannot sand either with nor against the grain, rotary in rotation, after all. It sands mostly along with if we place the 3:00 or 9:00 o'clock portion of the disk in contact with the rotating piece, differential speed (rotation of piece versus paper) determining which direction the grit engages the grain. Sanding at 12:00 or 6:00 o'clock is especially efficacious at removing the ridging left by gouges, or the semi-ridging (\ or /) left by finishing with the prior grit at 3 or 9. Once again, makes no difference which way the piece is rotating. Plain fact, easily observed. |
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On Fri, 05 May 2006 07:37:20 -0700, mac davis
wrote: On Fri, 5 May 2006 06:56:33 -0400, "Tom Nie" wrote: IMHO since the largest diameter possible is so small I find that I have my mini on high speed almost always. If I use a slower speed to rough it's very easy to jam. You need speed to create enough inertia to overcome some of the small catches while roughing. Quite a bit different than my Powermatic. TomNie Wow.... I've turned everything from pens to large vases on my Jet mini and never used the higher speeds until I started using to buff bowls.. My thoughts exactly. You can get an 8" bowl out of a midi lathe- 3600 rpm would whip that sucker around hard enough to rip my small lathe off the cabinet it's bolted to- if it even had enough power to get the thing turning to begin with! That being said, I finish turn that fast- but roughing? You must have some guts for that. |
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On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:15:22 -0700, Owen Lowe
wrote: In article , mac davis wrote: Me too, Owen.. but not only is electronic more expensive, I don't believe it's an option on the mini.. Mac, I just read another of your replies. If I'm reading right, you're calling your 14" Jet a "mini" - loosely speaking, your 14" is more of a midi. The Jet Mini is the 10" swing lathe. The Reeve's drive is used on your 14" but not the 10" Mini. Does Jet have a 10" lathe? I looked them up, and they call the 14" a "mini"- Delta calls it a "midi". They're almost the same machine, though. To get back on track with the thread, I love my reeve's drive on my 12" Delta gap-bed lathe, but it changing pulley settings was never all that difficult on my Delta Midi, as the motor is so light and there isn't all that much lathe to fiddle with. Even going back to play with the Midi, which I still do every so often, I don't notice a signifigant problem with the speed changes. If I were to buy another midi (or mini), I wouldn't spend the extra $$$ for the variable speed, personally- they're still fun without the frills. |
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George wrote:
As I don't turn above 680, nor below 360, nor am I able to turn in between on turnings from 400mm bowls to ornament finials, it would be a waste of my money. Reversing? makes no sense to a power sanding type and on cross-grained bowls. Long-grained stuff would result in cross-grain in either direction, so it also appears to be something I can do without. Reversing makes a lot of sense for power sanding. I find that I like the sandpaper to be heading down and the wood to be going up. Gives better control. If I'm doing the inside of a bowl, I have the lathe in forward, and the drill holding the sanding disk in forward (i.e., the direction you would use to drill a hole) as well and sand in the upper right quadrant of the sanding disk. To do the outside, I reverse the lathe and leave the drill as is. The weight of the drill counteracts the lift resulting from contacting the bowl which stabilizes it. If I were to leave the bowl spinning in forward, I'd have to counter both gravity and the downward force exherted by the bowl against the sander. It's also more comfortable to sand by hand as the sawdust shoots away from you when sanding the top of the vessel. Easier to see what you're doing as well... ....Kevin -- Kevin Miller http://www.alaska.net/~atftb Juneau, Alaska Registered Linux User No: 307357 |
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Prometheus wrote:
On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:15:22 -0700, Owen Lowe wrote: In article , mac davis wrote: Me too, Owen.. but not only is electronic more expensive, I don't believe it's an option on the mini.. Mac, I just read another of your replies. If I'm reading right, you're calling your 14" Jet a "mini" - loosely speaking, your 14" is more of a midi. The Jet Mini is the 10" swing lathe. The Reeve's drive is used on your 14" but not the 10" Mini. Does Jet have a 10" lathe? I looked them up, and they call the 14" a "mini"- Delta calls it a "midi". They're almost the same machine, though. If we're talking about the same beast, I assume the 10" refers to the swing, and the 14" to the bed length. My Jet mini swings 10, but I've never paid attention to the distance between the headstock and tailstock but 14" sounds about right... ....Kevin -- Kevin Miller http://www.alaska.net/~atftb Juneau, Alaska Registered Linux User No: 307357 |
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George wrote:
Since the grain meets the paper in opposite directions at either side of the endgrain on a rotating bowl, this technique is not applicable even with hand sanding. Also, as with flat work, where we now use orbital sanders, the Of course it is. If you're rotating in forward, the direction the grain lays down is dependent on that direction. It may be 'uphill' on one side and 'downhill' on the other, but as soon as you reverse the bowl your uphill side becomes downhill and your downhill side becomes uphill. If you reverse a bowl, any given spot you're sanding will by definition be sanded in the opposite direction that it was previously... ....Kevin -- Kevin Miller http://www.alaska.net/~atftb Juneau, Alaska Registered Linux User No: 307357 |
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Prometheus, Jet calls it a mini, Delta a midi, and the Turncrafter is
also called a midi, they all have a 10" swing and approx. 14" between centers. here a couple of links, one of the Jet VS mini, one Delta Midi, and one of the Turncrafter midi thats on sale now for $179.95 US$ Have fun and take care Leo Van Der Loo |
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Guess I have to put those links in right GG if I want you to be
able to see them, just a goof up on my part. I'll try this again. http://www.pennstateind.com/store/del46-250.html http://www.pennstateind.com/store/jminivs.html http://www.pennstateind.com/store/tclpro.html Have fun and take care Leo Van Der Loo |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 11:45:16 -0800, Kevin Miller
wrote: Prometheus wrote: On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:15:22 -0700, Owen Lowe wrote: In article , mac davis wrote: Me too, Owen.. but not only is electronic more expensive, I don't believe it's an option on the mini.. Mac, I just read another of your replies. If I'm reading right, you're calling your 14" Jet a "mini" - loosely speaking, your 14" is more of a midi. The Jet Mini is the 10" swing lathe. The Reeve's drive is used on your 14" but not the 10" Mini. Does Jet have a 10" lathe? I looked them up, and they call the 14" a "mini"- Delta calls it a "midi". They're almost the same machine, though. If we're talking about the same beast, I assume the 10" refers to the swing, and the 14" to the bed length. My Jet mini swings 10, but I've never paid attention to the distance between the headstock and tailstock but 14" sounds about right... Couldn't say- I've just got the Delta Version, with an 8" swing over the bed. I think it's 16" between centers. When I looked up the Jet mini on Amazon, it said 14"- though it wasn't really specific about what that referred to. Anyhow, I guess the point was that when I was deciding between the two quite a while back, I noticed that the same size lathe was a Midi for Delta and a Mini for Jet. Just a matter of terms. |
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Prometheus wrote: Couldn't say- I've just got the Delta Version, with an 8" swing over the bed. I think it's 16" between centers. When I looked up the Jet mini on Amazon, it said 14"- though it wasn't really specific about what that referred to. I hesitate to reply to this size thing - beating a dead steed and all - but I want it to be clear to those who may come across this thread in the future. The Jet Mini and Delta Midi are both 10" swing lathes - the between center distances vary by a couple inches as I recall, but when speaking of lathes, most folks cite the swing dimension -- especially given the fact that both the Mini and Midi have extension beds available that would change the reference dimension if we kept citing between center distance. I originally wanted to clarify the 14" reference Mac made to his lathe because Jet does make a 1442 lathe with a 14" swing but the discussion was about the Jet Mini with the 10" swing. -- Owen Lowe Northwest Woodturners Pacific Northwest Woodturning Guild ___ Tips fer Turnin': Place a sign, easily seen as you switch on your lathe, warning you to remove any and all rings from your fingers. Called degloving, extended hardware can grab your ring and rip it off your finger. A pic for the strong of stomach: www.itim.nsw.gov.au/go/objectid/2A3AC703-1321-1C29-70B067DC88E16BFC/index.cfm Besides, rings can easily mar the surface of a turning as you check for finished smoothness. |
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On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:12:24 -0700, Owen Lowe wrote:
In article , mac davis wrote: Me too, Owen.. but not only is electronic more expensive, I don't believe it's an option on the mini.. The electronic VS *is* available on the Jet Mini (not yet on the Delta mini, surprisingly). The Reeve's drive is not on the mini - manual changing on stepped sheaves. Mini VS - $380ish: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00.../sr=1-2/ref=pd _bbs_2/103-0439586-2019867?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=hi&v=glance&n=228013 Mini Std - $305ish: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00.../sr=1-1/ref=pd _bbs_1/103-0439586-2019867?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=hi&v=glance&n=228013 wow.. they really have gone up! My mini is a year or 2 old and was $225 on Amazon! (We saw one at woodcrafters for $300 with a "free" chuck...) New ball game, now... after spending Friday and Saturday in my shop, he wants a 12" or 14" Jet VS... and a vacuum chuck....lol Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:15:22 -0700, Owen Lowe wrote:
In article , mac davis wrote: Me too, Owen.. but not only is electronic more expensive, I don't believe it's an option on the mini.. Mac, I just read another of your replies. If I'm reading right, you're calling your 14" Jet a "mini" - loosely speaking, your 14" is more of a midi. The Jet Mini is the 10" swing lathe. The Reeve's drive is used on your 14" but not the 10" Mini. Might be confusing because I have the mini and the 1442VS, Owen... I probably don't separate the 2 enough when I'm comparing them here.. Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 01:23:40 -0500, Prometheus wrote:
On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:15:22 -0700, Owen Lowe wrote: In article , mac davis wrote: Me too, Owen.. but not only is electronic more expensive, I don't believe it's an option on the mini.. Mac, I just read another of your replies. If I'm reading right, you're calling your 14" Jet a "mini" - loosely speaking, your 14" is more of a midi. The Jet Mini is the 10" swing lathe. The Reeve's drive is used on your 14" but not the 10" Mini. Does Jet have a 10" lathe? I looked them up, and they call the 14" a "mini"- Delta calls it a "midi". They're almost the same machine, though. To get back on track with the thread, I love my reeve's drive on my 12" Delta gap-bed lathe, but it changing pulley settings was never all that difficult on my Delta Midi, as the motor is so light and there isn't all that much lathe to fiddle with. Even going back to play with the Midi, which I still do every so often, I don't notice a signifigant problem with the speed changes. If I were to buy another midi (or mini), I wouldn't spend the extra $$$ for the variable speed, personally- they're still fun without the frills. The mini (Jet) is a 10"... that's the swing over bed... My Jet 1442VS is: 14" swing, 42" between centers, variable speed... I think the one my brother is likely to get is the jet 1236VS Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 19:39:29 -0500, Prometheus wrote:
If we're talking about the same beast, I assume the 10" refers to the swing, and the 14" to the bed length. My Jet mini swings 10, but I've never paid attention to the distance between the headstock and tailstock but 14" sounds about right... Couldn't say- I've just got the Delta Version, with an 8" swing over the bed. I think it's 16" between centers. When I looked up the Jet mini on Amazon, it said 14"- though it wasn't really specific about what that referred to. Anyhow, I guess the point was that when I was deciding between the two quite a while back, I noticed that the same size lathe was a Midi for Delta and a Mini for Jet. Just a matter of terms. Yeah.. that's always made me wonder what the Delta mini would look like! I guess in marketing, they can say "midi" and seem larger that Jet, because it's only a "mini"... Kind of like buying custom condoms that have "giant size" printed on the package.. Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 07:39:12 -0700, mac davis
wrote: wow.. they really have gone up! My mini is a year or 2 old and was $225 on Amazon! (We saw one at woodcrafters for $300 with a "free" chuck...) IIRC, you got your mini about the same time I got my midi (I think it was two years ago), and the Delta's price hasn't changed noticably- I think you just got a good deal at the time. I paid something in the $260 range for a display model that was discounted from $300 or so, and that was without the VS. New ball game, now... after spending Friday and Saturday in my shop, he wants a 12" or 14" Jet VS... and a vacuum chuck....lol |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 11:00:44 -0500, Prometheus wrote:
On Sun, 07 May 2006 07:39:12 -0700, mac davis wrote: wow.. they really have gone up! My mini is a year or 2 old and was $225 on Amazon! (We saw one at woodcrafters for $300 with a "free" chuck...) IIRC, you got your mini about the same time I got my midi (I think it was two years ago), and the Delta's price hasn't changed noticably- I think you just got a good deal at the time. I paid something in the $260 range for a display model that was discounted from $300 or so, and that was without the VS. New ball game, now... after spending Friday and Saturday in my shop, he wants a 12" or 14" Jet VS... and a vacuum chuck....lol That could be, my mini will be 2 in June.. (well, to me, it might have been new for 3 or 5 years) I think that the list price at the time was about $270?? Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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That's exactly my opinion as well. For the small stuff like pens run on top
speed. For bowls down to the other end for roughing. Belt changes can be minimal. billh "Barry N. Turner" wrote in message . .. Well, the Jet Mini does not have a Reeves drive. Speed control is accomplished with a rheostat and swapping the belt on the step pulleys. I understand that it takes both the rheostat and the step pulleys to get the whole range of speeds. I have a Jet Mini without VS and it works just fine without it. For a small lathe, you really don't need VS. It is very nice on larger lathes like the PM 3520, Stubbys, Oneways and others. Barry "mac davis" wrote in message ... I'm helping my brother get back into turning and he's pretty sure that the Jet mini is what he wants... His problem is that he likes the size and low noise level of the mini but sort of likes the reeves drive on my Jet 1442... but no store that we went to had a mini with VS to look at.. Has anyone had experience on the mini with AND without the reeves? I really can't be objective, since I've had a Shopsmith for years and both it and the 1442 have the reeves type while my mini doesn't... Anyone here that has used both and has pro/con comments? thanks.. Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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Have the JET VS mini/midi. Here are some specifics
5" from bed to centers' center lines. Variable speed uses three pulleys on head stock shaft, three on the motor. The the speed varying dial shows numbers 1 - 5 but it's not click stops but continuous speed changes. Note that the speed changes are not linear RPMs Low Med Hi 1 500 1100 1700 2 580 1200 1800 3 680 1400 2050 4 900 1850 2750 5 1200 2600 3900 Having dial controlled variable speed is handy. You can chuck up a rough - square block of wood, mini-logette, etc. and take the speed up 'til unacceptable vibration begins - then back off 'til it stops. This lets you work at the maximum "non wobbling bench" RPMS as you go - increasing RPMS as the piece is roughed to round. When cutting in fine details like small beads or grooves, slowing the RPMs down for cutting them in, then back up for other cuts is quick, easy and controllable. Not so with shifting a belt from pulley to pulley. Varying the RPMs with just pulley changes is in steps and sometimes being able to go between the steps can be handy If the Reeves Drive is the mechanism that uses tapered shafts with a belt that can be slid along them in either direction - you get continuous variable speed - without stopping to change pulleys several times to go from lowest to highest RPMS. But the belt tension is critical. Get some stretching or wear and "ideal" and "real" start diverging. The "Fourteen Inches" is between the stock centers. Use a big STEBB CENTER on the head stock end and live center with inset tips and you could be down to 13" or less. Add a SuperNova2 chuck and your down to maybe 10". As for the price - got the VS for around $350, the non-VS model being around $250 then but I've seen it for $229. Only drawback to the JET is that I haven't found a commercial center support for it because they seem to start at 6" centers to bed. But it's not hard to make a "string support" that sort of works. charlie b |
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On Tue, 09 May 2006 08:21:26 -0700, charlie b
wrote: Have the JET VS mini/midi. Here are some specifics 5" from bed to centers' center lines. Just want to throw it in for posterity's sake, since it's usually new turners looking at these. The 5" distance from bed to center can be a little deceptive- the tool rest posts on the mini & midi aren't that thick, and they come with a 4" rest. I made some longer toolrests for mine, but they have a tendancy to vibrate a lot, so I don't use them much. For a lot of projects, you need to be able to get the banjo under the piece so that you can use the tool rest. Anybody who already has one probably knows what I'm talking about, but I never was able to get anything larger than a 8" bowl out of my midi. Could have got a 10" plate or something, I suppose- as long as it was less than 2" deep, with a flat bottom and minimal mounting hardware. Like I said, nothing most turners don't know, it's just a head's up for someone looking at getting into the hobby. |
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Hi Charlie
The VS on those minis would be nice if not for the drawback that you have the least amount of power when you should have the most. The other thing is if you turn a "large" that is as large as possible say a 10" platter and you're cutting with your tool from the edge to the center, do you keep changing your speed ?? or keep the speed that is safe for the size ??, this gets much more serious when turning say a 20" bowl or platter. In most cases when turning a certain project the whole machining part of the job can and very often is done with only one or two speeds, like spindles, pens, at the high end and larger bowls and platters at the lower end of the speed range. The sanding is certainly done best at the lowest setting for bowls and platters. For a commercial steady for a 10" swing lathe Pennstate carries one. http://www.pennstateind.com/store/lsr2.html Have fun and take care Leo Van Der Loo |
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"Prometheus" wrote in message ... On Tue, 09 May 2006 08:21:26 -0700, charlie b wrote: Have the JET VS mini/midi. Here are some specifics 5" from bed to centers' center lines. Just want to throw it in for posterity's sake, since it's usually new turners looking at these. The 5" distance from bed to center can be a little deceptive- the tool rest posts on the mini & midi aren't that thick, and they come with a 4" rest. I made some longer toolrests for mine, but they have a tendancy to vibrate a lot, so I don't use them much. Most turners know how to turn outside, reverse to inside, which pretty much means the toolrest isn't in the way and never needs to go underneath. One of the last things I'd worry about is the swing over the toolrest (banjo), unless I was turning something ten inches deep. If your toolrest is vibrating, you're overloading. That's an audible warning. Then there's the stick-shaker - the tool chattering because you're at a bad angle, or the entire lathe/stand moving because you didn't make your piece as close to balance as possible prior to mounting. Correct the condition. Ol' Roy Underhill has been using that oak toolrest for years. I used a spruce one 8' long for pillars. You don't need a banjo if you want to push the poor lathe to its limit. |
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On Tue, 09 May 2006 19:15:32 -0500, Prometheus wrote:
On Tue, 09 May 2006 08:21:26 -0700, charlie b wrote: Have the JET VS mini/midi. Here are some specifics 5" from bed to centers' center lines. Just want to throw it in for posterity's sake, since it's usually new turners looking at these. The 5" distance from bed to center can be a little deceptive- the tool rest posts on the mini & midi aren't that thick, and they come with a 4" rest. I made some longer toolrests for mine, but they have a tendancy to vibrate a lot, so I don't use them much. For a lot of projects, you need to be able to get the banjo under the piece so that you can use the tool rest. Anybody who already has one probably knows what I'm talking about, but I never was able to get anything larger than a 8" bowl out of my midi. Could have got a 10" plate or something, I suppose- as long as it was less than 2" deep, with a flat bottom and minimal mounting hardware. Like I said, nothing most turners don't know, it's just a head's up for someone looking at getting into the hobby. Well put... I'll add that if you double that 5", you have the "swing", which most folks use to compare lathe size.. I think the Jet mini is a 1014? (10" swing, 14" spindle cap.) Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm |
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