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Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld May 5th 04 09:19 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
I have a 17 month old Baxi solo 3 boiler which started throwing fuses
yesterday. Initially when I realised the heating had gone off I found a
circuit breaker in the CU had tripped, reset this and all was OK. Next day
the same thing happened but once the circuit was reset this time only the
'Boiler On' light on the control panel illuminated, no 'Fan On' light and no
Pilot or Burner lights.

I located the installation manual and identified the circuit board fuse,
this had blown so I replaced it with the spare and once again all worked
normally for an hour or until this time the 3A fuse on the isolation switch
blew (Baxi state this should be 5A?). Once again replacing this worked for
about 20 mins until it blew both the isolation switch 3A and the circuit
board fuse.

Any ideas what may be causing this and where can I source a replacement fuse
for the circuit board which is marked F4AH250V?

TIA



Set Square May 5th 04 10:35 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld wrote:

I have a 17 month old Baxi solo 3 boiler which started throwing fuses
yesterday. Initially when I realised the heating had gone off I
found a circuit breaker in the CU had tripped, reset this and all was
OK. Next day the same thing happened but once the circuit was reset
this time only the 'Boiler On' light on the control panel
illuminated, no 'Fan On' light and no Pilot or Burner lights.

I located the installation manual and identified the circuit board
fuse, this had blown so I replaced it with the spare and once again
all worked normally for an hour or until this time the 3A fuse on the
isolation switch blew (Baxi state this should be 5A?). Once again
replacing this worked for about 20 mins until it blew both the
isolation switch 3A and the circuit board fuse.

Any ideas what may be causing this and where can I source a
replacement fuse for the circuit board which is marked F4AH250V?

TIA


You can probably get fuses from the likes of Maplin or RS Components - but
you clearly need to find and fix the root cause - otherwise fuses will just
keep blowing.

Hopefully those (like Geoff) with a detailed knowledge of this boiler will
respond - but it sounds to me like a problem either with the PCB or gas
valve - or possibly the fan.
--
Cheers,
Set Square
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geoff May 6th 04 12:29 AM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
In message , Darren Griffin -
PocketGPSWorld writes
I have a 17 month old Baxi solo 3 boiler which started throwing fuses
yesterday. Initially when I realised the heating had gone off I found a
circuit breaker in the CU had tripped, reset this and all was OK. Next day
the same thing happened but once the circuit was reset this time only the
'Boiler On' light on the control panel illuminated, no 'Fan On' light and no
Pilot or Burner lights.


It sounds to me that the fan is short circuit

i.e. knacked


I located the installation manual and identified the circuit board fuse,
this had blown so I replaced it with the spare and once again all worked
normally for an hour or until this time the 3A fuse on the isolation switch
blew (Baxi state this should be 5A?). Once again replacing this worked for
about 20 mins until it blew both the isolation switch 3A and the circuit
board fuse.

Any ideas what may be causing this and where can I source a replacement fuse
for the circuit board which is marked F4AH250V?

The fuse is telling you that you have a problem (looks like the fan).
Until you solve the problem, you'll keep on blowing fuses

The fuse is a 4A fast blow

look at my site www.cetltd.com
--
geoff

Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld May 6th 04 08:26 AM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
geoff wrote:
The fuse is telling you that you have a problem (looks like the fan).
Until you solve the problem, you'll keep on blowing fuses

The fuse is a 4A fast blow

look at my site www.cetltd.com


Thanks Geoff, is there an easy way of confirming that this is the cause? If
I can be ceratin it is then I can contact you regarding a recon replacement.

--
Darren



Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld May 6th 04 06:08 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
geoff wrote:
It sounds to me that the fan is short circuit
i.e. knacked
The fuse is telling you that you have a problem (looks like the fan).
Until you solve the problem, you'll keep on blowing fuses
The fuse is a 4A fast blow
look at my site www.cetltd.com


Geoff, even with the fan unit unplugged the system blows the fuse in the
isolation switch?, with the thermostat set to OFF I switch the isolator ON
and a fter a few seconds the boiler ON light illuminates and the fuse blows.
--
Darren



geoff May 6th 04 08:00 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
In message , Darren Griffin -
PocketGPSWorld writes
geoff wrote:
The fuse is telling you that you have a problem (looks like the fan).
Until you solve the problem, you'll keep on blowing fuses

The fuse is a 4A fast blow

look at my site www.cetltd.com


Thanks Geoff, is there an easy way of confirming that this is the cause? If
I can be ceratin it is then I can contact you regarding a recon replacement.

Only by disconnecting the fan (at the fan as the connector on the pcb
also has the air pressure switch connections)

If the fuse doesn't blow, it's probably the fan

The boiler won't go any further through it's sequence as the APS has to
change state for anything else to happen

--
geoff

geoff May 6th 04 08:01 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
In message , Darren Griffin -
PocketGPSWorld writes
geoff wrote:
It sounds to me that the fan is short circuit
i.e. knacked
The fuse is telling you that you have a problem (looks like the fan).
Until you solve the problem, you'll keep on blowing fuses
The fuse is a 4A fast blow
look at my site www.cetltd.com


Geoff, even with the fan unit unplugged the system blows the fuse in the
isolation switch?, with the thermostat set to OFF I switch the isolator ON
and a fter a few seconds the boiler ON light illuminates and the fuse blows.



Do you have a wire trapped somewhere?

Is there water damage on the board?

What happens if you disconnect the pump?

--
geoff

Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld May 7th 04 08:52 AM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
geoff wrote:
Do you have a wire trapped somewhere?

Is there water damage on the board?

What happens if you disconnect the pump?


No obvious signs of damage on the PCB, no arcing, burns or any water damage
ceratinly. If I disconnect the Pump supply from the PCB (fan is now
reconnected) I no longer get any blown fuses, Boiler ON light illuminates
but I have left the thermostat OFF.

Appreciate your help here, I assume this means the fault points towards the
pump and I should be looking in the airing cupboard now?

--
Darren Griffin
Pocket GPS World - http://www.pocketgpsworld.com
The Premier GPS Resource for News, Reviews and Forums



Set Square May 7th 04 10:30 AM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld wrote:

geoff wrote:
Do you have a wire trapped somewhere?

Is there water damage on the board?

What happens if you disconnect the pump?


No obvious signs of damage on the PCB, no arcing, burns or any water
damage ceratinly. If I disconnect the Pump supply from the PCB (fan
is now reconnected) I no longer get any blown fuses, Boiler ON light
illuminates but I have left the thermostat OFF.

Appreciate your help here, I assume this means the fault points
towards the pump and I should be looking in the airing cupboard now?


Probably. You could bottom this out by disconnecting the pump from its
current supply (junction box, or whatever) and putting a 13amp plug with 3
amp fuse on the end of its lead. Plug this into a 13amp socket (with the
help of an extension lead if necessary) and see what happens. If the fuse
blows, it's pretty conclusive.
--
Cheers,
Set Square
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Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld May 7th 04 10:45 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
Set Square wrote:
Probably. You could bottom this out by disconnecting the pump from its
current supply (junction box, or whatever) and putting a 13amp plug
with 3 amp fuse on the end of its lead. Plug this into a 13amp socket
(with the help of an extension lead if necessary) and see what
happens. If the fuse blows, it's pretty conclusive.


I'm about to give up on fixing this and call a pro, the only problem is, is
this an electrician's job or a heating engineer? I'm not rolling in cash
and would like to get this fixed in one hit, I don't fancy paying for a
hetaing engineer only for him to say it needs an electrician after I have
forked out for his call out fee :(
--
Darren



geoff May 7th 04 10:51 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
In message , Darren Griffin -
PocketGPSWorld writes
geoff wrote:
Do you have a wire trapped somewhere?

Is there water damage on the board?

What happens if you disconnect the pump?


No obvious signs of damage on the PCB, no arcing, burns or any water damage
ceratinly. If I disconnect the Pump supply from the PCB (fan is now
reconnected) I no longer get any blown fuses, Boiler ON light illuminates
but I have left the thermostat OFF.

Appreciate your help here, I assume this means the fault points towards the
pump and I should be looking in the airing cupboard now?

If that's where it is, yes.

It certainly seems to be the first thing to look at

If you are confident enough with electricity, you could try connecting
it up to the mains (via a plug with a 5A fuse in (unless you like big
bangs))

If it blows the fuse, you've found your problem

--
geoff

geoff May 7th 04 10:58 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
In message , Darren Griffin -
PocketGPSWorld writes
Set Square wrote:
Probably. You could bottom this out by disconnecting the pump from its
current supply (junction box, or whatever) and putting a 13amp plug
with 3 amp fuse on the end of its lead. Plug this into a 13amp socket
(with the help of an extension lead if necessary) and see what
happens. If the fuse blows, it's pretty conclusive.


I'm about to give up on fixing this and call a pro, the only problem is, is
this an electrician's job or a heating engineer? I'm not rolling in cash
and would like to get this fixed in one hit, I don't fancy paying for a
hetaing engineer only for him to say it needs an electrician after I have
forked out for his call out fee :(


If you look at the cost of calling someone out, it would be cheaper to
just buy a pump and replace the old one

When you find the pump, tell us whether it has a valve on each side of
the pump - if so you can change it without draining down the system.

When I say easy, it depends how easy it is to undo the connectors

You can be sure that there is enough expertise in this group to lead you
through doing it (unless you listen to IMM, in which case it's bound to
leak)

--
geoff

Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld May 8th 04 12:04 AM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
geoff wrote:
If you look at the cost of calling someone out, it would be cheaper to
just buy a pump and replace the old one

When you find the pump, tell us whether it has a valve on each side of
the pump - if so you can change it without draining down the system.

When I say easy, it depends how easy it is to undo the connectors

You can be sure that there is enough expertise in this group to lead
you through doing it (unless you listen to IMM, in which case it's
bound to leak)


Thanks Geoff, I'll test the pump first thing and report back, gotta be worth
a try!

--
Darren Griffin
Pocket GPS World - http://www.pocketgpsworld.com
The Premier GPS Resource for News, Reviews and Forums



Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld May 8th 04 12:34 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
geoff wrote:
It certainly seems to be the first thing to look at

If you are confident enough with electricity, you could try connecting
it up to the mains (via a plug with a 5A fuse in (unless you like big
bangs))

If it blows the fuse, you've found your problem


OK, firstly I now appear to have blown the PCB, tested last night without
pump connected and all was OK, switched off, connected pump, switched on and
there was a pop, noticed fuse on PCB had blown so replaced and even without
pump conncted this time there was no light indicating Boiler ON, removed PCB
and there is a small burn mark towards rear around two resistors, so I'll be
needing a recon replacement from you for starters! (Baxi Part: 231711).

As for the pump, disconnected, attached plug (with 5A fuse) and connected to
mains, as soon as it is switched on the master trip in the CU activates
although the 5A fuse does not blow! This obvioulsy suggests the pump has a
problem but my electrical knowledge is not good enough to explain why the
fuse remains intact. The good news is there are valves directly above and
below the pump so a full system drain is not necessary.

Would you agree that the pump appears to have been the culprit here? I'll
source a new replacement, it's a Grundfos Selectric UPS 15-50 and hopefully
this should be relatively simple to replace. As for the PCB, I'll contact
you directly regards a replacement.

--
Darren



Set Square May 8th 04 02:23 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld wrote:

geoff wrote:
It certainly seems to be the first thing to look at

If you are confident enough with electricity, you could try
connecting it up to the mains (via a plug with a 5A fuse in (unless
you like big bangs))

If it blows the fuse, you've found your problem


OK, firstly I now appear to have blown the PCB, tested last night
without pump connected and all was OK, switched off, connected pump,
switched on and there was a pop, noticed fuse on PCB had blown so
replaced and even without pump conncted this time there was no light
indicating Boiler ON, removed PCB and there is a small burn mark
towards rear around two resistors, so I'll be needing a recon
replacement from you for starters! (Baxi Part: 231711).

As for the pump, disconnected, attached plug (with 5A fuse) and
connected to mains, as soon as it is switched on the master trip in
the CU activates although the 5A fuse does not blow! This obvioulsy
suggests the pump has a problem but my electrical knowledge is not
good enough to explain why the fuse remains intact. The good news is
there are valves directly above and below the pump so a full system
drain is not necessary.

Would you agree that the pump appears to have been the culprit here?
I'll source a new replacement, it's a Grundfos Selectric UPS 15-50
and hopefully this should be relatively simple to replace. As for
the PCB, I'll contact you directly regards a replacement.


Why, oh why didn't you follow the advice of testing the pump on its own
FIRST? You'd have saved yourself the cost of the new PCB for the boiler!

The pump almost certainly has a short between live and earth. The mains
socket you plugged it into is probably protected by an earth leakage
breaker - which tripped before the fuse blew. The central heating - along
with freezers etc. - is probably on a circuit which doesn't have earth
leakage protection - causing the fuse to blow instead when the pump was
normally connected.

You'll need a large spanner (or adjustable) to undo the nuts on the pump -
and they might take a bit of shifting. It often helps to have an assistant
to hang on to the pump while you tap the spanner round with a copper mallet.
Make sure that you replace the (rubber or fibre) washers between the valve
flanges and pump body - and try not to strain the surrounding pipework more
than absolutely necessary - since this can induce leaks elsewhere.

--
Cheers,
Set Square
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Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld May 8th 04 03:41 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
Set Square wrote:
Why, oh why didn't you follow the advice of testing the pump on its
own FIRST? You'd have saved yourself the cost of the new PCB for the
boiler!

The pump almost certainly has a short between live and earth. The
mains socket you plugged it into is probably protected by an earth
leakage breaker - which tripped before the fuse blew. The central
heating - along with freezers etc. - is probably on a circuit which
doesn't have earth leakage protection - causing the fuse to blow
instead when the pump was normally connected.

You'll need a large spanner (or adjustable) to undo the nuts on the
pump - and they might take a bit of shifting. It often helps to have
an assistant to hang on to the pump while you tap the spanner round
with a copper mallet. Make sure that you replace the (rubber or
fibre) washers between the valve flanges and pump body - and try not
to strain the surrounding pipework more than absolutely necessary -
since this can induce leaks elsewhere.


I know, it was stupid but in my defence I found a number of wires in the
airing cupboard junction box were loose and could be pulled out easily so
having tightened and checked those I foolishly thought I'd test in the vain
hope that this may have fixed it, of course it didn't and a blown PCB is the
price I'll have to pay for my idiocy!

--
Darren



John May 8th 04 04:29 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 

"Set Square" wrote in message
...
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld wrote:

geoff wrote:
It certainly seems to be the first thing to look at

If you are confident enough with electricity, you could try
connecting it up to the mains (via a plug with a 5A fuse in (unless
you like big bangs))

If it blows the fuse, you've found your problem


OK, firstly I now appear to have blown the PCB, tested last night
without pump connected and all was OK, switched off, connected pump,
switched on and there was a pop, noticed fuse on PCB had blown so
replaced and even without pump conncted this time there was no light
indicating Boiler ON, removed PCB and there is a small burn mark
towards rear around two resistors, so I'll be needing a recon
replacement from you for starters! (Baxi Part: 231711).

As for the pump, disconnected, attached plug (with 5A fuse) and
connected to mains, as soon as it is switched on the master trip in
the CU activates although the 5A fuse does not blow! This obvioulsy
suggests the pump has a problem but my electrical knowledge is not
good enough to explain why the fuse remains intact. The good news is
there are valves directly above and below the pump so a full system
drain is not necessary.

Would you agree that the pump appears to have been the culprit here?
I'll source a new replacement, it's a Grundfos Selectric UPS 15-50
and hopefully this should be relatively simple to replace. As for
the PCB, I'll contact you directly regards a replacement.


Why, oh why didn't you follow the advice of testing the pump on its own
FIRST? You'd have saved yourself the cost of the new PCB for the boiler!

The pump almost certainly has a short between live and earth. The mains
socket you plugged it into is probably protected by an earth leakage
breaker - which tripped before the fuse blew. The central heating - along
with freezers etc. - is probably on a circuit which doesn't have earth
leakage protection - causing the fuse to blow instead when the pump was
normally connected.

You'll need a large spanner (or adjustable) to undo the nuts on the pump -
and they might take a bit of shifting. It often helps to have an assistant
to hang on to the pump while you tap the spanner round with a copper

mallet.
Make sure that you replace the (rubber or fibre) washers between the valve
flanges and pump body - and try not to strain the surrounding pipework

more
than absolutely necessary - since this can induce leaks elsewhere.


shut off the service valves and hope they don't leak through the spindle
when you move them if they are more than a couple of years old. (Try to do
the job when merchants are open to buy replacements if they do).
Sometimes the nuts move easily but often they require a bit of tapping with
a small hammer to break the crud seal which may have formed on the threads.
With a bit of practice you can strike it on the "corners" to persuade it to
undo. Ensure the new pump goes back in the same flow direction as per arrow
on body and apply grease to the threads to facilitate future removal. Most
pumps come with 2 new joint gaskets in the box but make sure the faces of
the old unions are clean. Its sometimes easier to fit the wiring while the
pump is loose and easy to work on. Refill and vent the pump through the
spindle plug then away you go.



geoff May 8th 04 08:01 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
In message , Darren Griffin -
PocketGPSWorld writes
geoff wrote:
It certainly seems to be the first thing to look at

If you are confident enough with electricity, you could try connecting
it up to the mains (via a plug with a 5A fuse in (unless you like big
bangs))

If it blows the fuse, you've found your problem


OK, firstly I now appear to have blown the PCB, tested last night without
pump connected and all was OK, switched off, connected pump, switched on and
there was a pop, noticed fuse on PCB had blown so replaced and even without
pump conncted this time there was no light indicating Boiler ON, removed PCB
and there is a small burn mark towards rear around two resistors, so I'll be
needing a recon replacement from you for starters! (Baxi Part: 231711).


Has the short circuit of the pump blown a track on the board?


As for the pump, disconnected, attached plug (with 5A fuse) and connected to
mains, as soon as it is switched on the master trip in the CU activates
although the 5A fuse does not blow! This obvioulsy suggests the pump has a
problem but my electrical knowledge is not good enough to explain why the
fuse remains intact.


The CU operated faster than the fuse blowing, or it is a short to earth.

The good news is there are valves directly above and
below the pump so a full system drain is not necessary.


So you can remove the pump after closing the valves

I'm not an expert on pump removal, but maybe a bit of WD40 or plus gas
on the threads now might be a good idea to let it penetrate for a while
before trying to undo it


Would you agree that the pump appears to have been the culprit here?


It looks very much like it

I'll
source a new replacement, it's a Grundfos Selectric UPS 15-50 and hopefully
this should be relatively simple to replace.


Two nuts (don't forget the washers) and the L N E connections.

There is a 3 way rotary switch on the pump which is probably set to II.
You should set the new one to the same power setting

Make sure you fit the new pump the same way round as the old one (which
may sound pretty obvious, but I thought I'd mention it anyway)

As for the PCB, I'll contact
you directly regards a replacement.


--
geoff

Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld May 9th 04 11:00 AM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
geoff wrote:
Has the short circuit of the pump blown a track on the board?


Geoff, have taken a phot of the PCB to indicate the area where damage
appears to have ocurred. There do not appear to be any damage tracks, just
faint brun marks on front and back around the three components indicated by
the arrow.

http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/images/pcb_front.png
http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/images/pcb_rear.png
--
Darren



geoff May 9th 04 10:19 PM

Baxi Solo 3 PF
 
In message , Darren Griffin -
PocketGPSWorld writes
geoff wrote:
Has the short circuit of the pump blown a track on the board?


Geoff, have taken a phot of the PCB to indicate the area where damage
appears to have ocurred. There do not appear to be any damage tracks, just
faint brun marks on front and back around the three components indicated by
the arrow.

http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/images/pcb_front.png
http://www.griffinnet.co.uk/images/pcb_rear.png


That bit often gets a bit hot and browns a bit, it's a dropper circuit.

I can't see anything obvious, (If you had kept the board still, it would
have helped), but the tracks associated with the pump don't appear to
have blown, it's a component failure

--
geoff

[email protected] June 13th 12 06:37 AM

Storm Damage & Carpet Cleaning Warren Michigan
 
Serving those who need it most! Anytime Restoration is a family operated company built on strong principles that makes recovering from a disaster the least intrusive as possible. We specialize in Storm Damage & Carpet Cleaning Warren Michigan
http://www.anytimerestorationservices.com


Rod Speed June 13th 12 08:00 AM

Storm Damage & Carpet Cleaning Warren Michigan
 
wrote

Serving those who need it most! Anytime Restoration is a
family operated company built on strong principles that
makes recovering from a disaster the least intrusive as possible.
We specialize in Storm Damage & Carpet Cleaning Warren Michigan


But is so stupid they cant work out what uk means. It doesn't mean under
krap, stupid.


gazz June 13th 12 12:55 PM

Storm Damage & Carpet Cleaning Warren Michigan
 

wrote the following ****e:

Serving those who need it most! Anytime Restoration is a family operated
company
built on strong principles that makes recovering from a disaster the least
intrusive as
possible. We specialize in Storm Damage & Carpet Cleaning Warren Michigan


Who the **** is this Warren Michigan, and why does he need 'specialized'
repairing and cleaning so often?


Grimly Curmudgeon[_3_] June 13th 12 01:13 PM

Storm Damage & Carpet Cleaning Warren Michigan
 
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:37:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Serving those who need it most!


Hi Warren,
I think you're a little bit optimistic, don't you?
The cost of transporting one of your vans via an Atlantic ship to the
UK would be prohibitive and I doubt many people this side of the pond
would be interested in supplying you with 110V AC.
Nice try, no cigar.

Have a nice day, now.

Grimly.

ps. if you really must be a clueless ****, do it out of sight.

Davey June 13th 12 01:14 PM

Storm Damage & Carpet Cleaning Warren Michigan
 
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:55:36 +0100
"Gazz" wrote:


wrote the following ****e:

Serving those who need it most! Anytime Restoration is a family
operated company
built on strong principles that makes recovering from a disaster
the least intrusive as
possible. We specialize in Storm Damage & Carpet Cleaning Warren
Michigan


Who the **** is this Warren Michigan, and why does he need
'specialized' repairing and cleaning so often?


If you knew the Detroit area as well as I do, you would understand!
--
Davey.

Brian Gaff June 13th 12 02:18 PM

Storm Damage & Carpet Cleaning Warren Michigan
 
I was going to say, the call out charge must be huge!

Brian

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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
wrote

Serving those who need it most! Anytime Restoration is a
family operated company built on strong principles that
makes recovering from a disaster the least intrusive as possible.
We specialize in Storm Damage & Carpet Cleaning Warren Michigan


But is so stupid they cant work out what uk means. It doesn't mean under
krap, stupid.





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