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Trianco boiler problems
Hi all, Parents are away in austria and the the person who is dogsitting for them rung the other day to say that the heating has gone wrong. She claims that on wednesday the boiler ran all day and night - this is believable as it used 4 skuttles of coal - it would usually only have 1 - 1.5. I managed to drive over and take a look on thursday my which time water was running out of the overflow from the central heating expansion tank. A quick look in the loft revealed that the ball on the valve in the expansion tank was full of water and therefore not floating (quick bodge with empty bottle sorted that for now as I had no tools with me and it was 10pm) but I can' see anything wrong with the boiler. There was a lot of condensation on the insulation on the expansion tank which suggests that it was pumping over at some point but it was cold when I got there (even though the heating had been on all day). The constant trickle of cold water running in from the knackered ballvalve would have cooled it down though I suppose. Anyway, valve is obviously toast - could this have been damaged by sitting in a steam filled expansion tank? Seems too much of a coincidence. I'm assuming that the ball valve couldn't have caused the boiler to run permenantly? I can't think of a way that this could happen... Finally, is it likely that the thermostat in the boiler went wrong (thats happened before) but then somehow "fixed" itself? Dodgy connections aside, this seems an unlikely failure mode - views? I'm coming to the conclusion that when the dogsitter filled the boiler on tue eve and empty the ashes she didn't manage to shut the fire door correctly and the constant draft made the boiler sound like it was running all of the time, boiled the water (she says it was *very* hot) and this hot water knackered the ball valve. Plausible? Of course, its probably just getting ready to expire on Xmas eve... Cheers, Darren |
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"dmc" wrote in message ... Hi all, Parents are away in austria and the the person who is dogsitting for them rung the other day to say that the heating has gone wrong. She claims that on wednesday the boiler ran all day and night - this is believable as it used 4 skuttles of coal - it would usually only have 1 - 1.5. I managed to drive over and take a look on thursday my which time water was running out of the overflow from the central heating expansion tank. A quick look in the loft revealed that the ball on the valve in the expansion tank was full of water and therefore not floating (quick bodge with empty bottle sorted that for now as I had no tools with me and it was 10pm) but I can' see anything wrong with the boiler. There was a lot of condensation on the insulation on the expansion tank which suggests that it was pumping over at some point but it was cold when I got there (even though the heating had been on all day). The constant trickle of cold water running in from the knackered ballvalve would have cooled it down though I suppose. Anyway, valve is obviously toast - could this have been damaged by sitting in a steam filled expansion tank? Seems too much of a coincidence. I'm assuming that the ball valve couldn't have caused the boiler to run permenantly? I can't think of a way that this could happen... Finally, is it likely that the thermostat in the boiler went wrong (thats happened before) but then somehow "fixed" itself? Dodgy connections aside, this seems an unlikely failure mode - views? I'm coming to the conclusion that when the dogsitter filled the boiler on tue eve and empty the ashes she didn't manage to shut the fire door correctly and the constant draft made the boiler sound like it was running all of the time, boiled the water (she says it was *very* hot) and this hot water knackered the ball valve. Plausible? I'd suggest the most likely scenario would be either incorrectly shut door as you suggest or a bit of cinder had become trapped in the air intake, if its a natural draught unit, so the thermostat couldn't close the flap to slow the burn when the boiler got hot. Result the boiler would actually boil projecting steam into the F&E tank, melting the ball and causing the mayhem you describe. It is a good idea to use a metal (copper) float on an F&E tank for just this reason. In either of the above cause options opening and closing the offending item may clear the problem. Of course you could be on the way to a failed thermostat but this doesnt usually cure itself |
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John wrote: I'd suggest the most likely scenario would be either incorrectly shut door as you suggest or a bit of cinder had become trapped in the air intake, if its a natural draught unit, so the thermostat couldn't close the flap to slow the burn when the boiler got hot. It's not natural draft - it has a fan that blows to fan the fire. I guess there is just enough of a vent somewhere that it slowly smolders for days if heat isn't needed. I've checked with the dogsitter again and it is apparantly working fine so I think the door not shut properly idea is favourite. She can't remember if the fan was actually running or not. Result the boiler would actually boil projecting steam into the F&E tank, melting the ball and causing the mayhem you describe. It is a good idea to use a metal (copper) float on an F&E tank for just this reason. just popped in wickes to grab a new valve and ball. They don't do anything other than plastic Proper plumbers merchant for that I guess (or maybe BnQ whorehouse I suppose) In either of the above cause options opening and closing the offending item may clear the problem. Yeah. Of course you could be on the way to a failed thermostat but this doesnt usually cure itself As I said, it didn't strike me as sounding like a failed thermostat as it seemed to cure itself. I'll go with not shutting the fire door properly as the problem I think. Thanks for confirming my thoughts, Darren |
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