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Andy Evans
 
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Default How easy is it to fall out of bed?

On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme, but I'm quite
serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor, which is hardwood with a
thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the best of my knowledge, but if I did
I could do myself some damage. What actually stops us falling out of bed -
there must be something? And when does this break down and deposit us unawares
on the floor - nightmares? Drink? This has been playing on my mind. Any ideas?
Any solutions? I have a single bed. Andy

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In article , Andy Evans
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What actually stops us falling out of bed - there must be something?
And when does this break down and deposit us unawares on the floor


I sleep with my [single] bed against the wall. Years ago after
babysitting for friends I slept in their spare bedroom, and did fall
out of bed - presumably because the wall wasn't there.

I caught my foot on something sharp and a few days later it had
ballooned up. At the casualty:

Q: How did this happen
A: I fell out of bed
Q: Was it your own bed
A: No
Q: OK I won't ask you for any more details.

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In article ,
Andy Evans wrote:
On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme, but
I'm quite serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor, which
is hardwood with a thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the best of
my knowledge, but if I did I could do myself some damage. What actually
stops us falling out of bed - there must be something?


Just because you're asleep, all your bodily functions don't cease. You'd
be dead if they did. Only a tiny part of them are put on 'standby' The
rest remain active.

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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme, but I'm
quite
serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor, which is hardwood
with a
thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the best of my knowledge, but if I
did
I could do myself some damage. What actually stops us falling out of bed -
there must be something? And when does this break down and deposit us
unawares
on the floor - nightmares? Drink? This has been playing on my mind. Any
ideas?
Any solutions? I have a single bed. Andy


It's exceedingly rare for anyone normal to fall out of bed, I don't know why
some people are so obsessed about it - mainly parents and bunk bed makers.
That's why upper bunk beds are so difficult and, I think, dangerous to climb
in and out of.

When we stay with one of our offspring we sleep in one of the girl's rooms,
I use the top bunk because I don't get up as often as Spouse does through
the night.

I hate it.

Same in Youth Hostels.

I'd rather sleep on the floor.

Don't worry about falling out of bed, it doesn't happen.

Sits back and waits for stories of people falling out every night ...

Mary


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It's exceedingly rare for anyone normal to fall out of bed, I don't know
why
some people are so obsessed about it - mainly parents and bunk bed makers.
That's why upper bunk beds are so difficult and, I think, dangerous to
climb in and out of.

When we stay with one of our offspring we sleep in one of the girl's
rooms, I use the top bunk because I don't get up as often as Spouse does
through the night.

I hate it.

Same in Youth Hostels.

I'd rather sleep on the floor.

Don't worry about falling out of bed, it doesn't happen.

Sits back and waits for stories of people falling out every night ...

Mary



LOL - I often wake myself up when I get too close to the edge, but haven't
fallen out as an adult.

My youngest often used to fall out of bed - we bought him a loft bed and
thankfully he can't fall out any more.

Jayne




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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme, but I'm

quite
serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor, which is hardwood

with a
thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the best of my knowledge, but if I

did
I could do myself some damage. What actually stops us falling out of bed -
there must be something? And when does this break down and deposit us

unawares
on the floor - nightmares? Drink? This has been playing on my mind. Any

ideas?
Any solutions? I have a single bed. Andy


Mind boggles.... :~)

'us' - 'single bed', intimate but wouldn't it be better to get a double ?!


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What actually stops us falling out of bed -

In the sense of "The weight of British taxation is borne by us" (and not
speaking for HMtQ of whom hopefully the statement is true)

My solution so far - worry about it and put a pillow on the floor in case.
Should I be certified?

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Should I be certified?


You really want that question answered?...


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In uk.d-i-y, Andy Evans wrote:

What actually stops us falling out of bed


I've woken up a few times to find myself gripping the edge of the
mattress with both buttocks ;-)


Do you have any other tricks?

Mary


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In message , Jayne
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It's exceedingly rare for anyone normal to fall out of bed, I don't know
why
some people are so obsessed about it - mainly parents and bunk bed makers.
That's why upper bunk beds are so difficult and, I think, dangerous to
climb in and out of.

When we stay with one of our offspring we sleep in one of the girl's
rooms, I use the top bunk because I don't get up as often as Spouse does
through the night.

I hate it.

Same in Youth Hostels.

I'd rather sleep on the floor.

Don't worry about falling out of bed, it doesn't happen.

Sits back and waits for stories of people falling out every night ...

Mary



LOL - I often wake myself up when I get too close to the edge, but haven't
fallen out as an adult.

My youngest often used to fall out of bed - we bought him a loft bed and
thankfully he can't fall out any more.

Jayne


Our Brat 2 used to fall out of bed regularly, and also used to turn 180
degrees in the bed. One evening I went upstairs after hearing the latest
THUD to find her room apparently empty - she'd fallen out of bed, rolled
under it, and continued to sleep. She was disappointed when we wouldn't
let her sleep in the top bunk on the Harry Chook ferry.
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I've woken up a few times to find myself gripping the edge of the
mattress with both buttocks ;-)


I sometimes find myself right on the edge, but the cause is usually our
two dogs who have crept up the middle of the bed and pushed us outwards
:-}

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On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme, but I'm quite
serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor, which is hardwood with a
thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the best of my knowledge, but if I did
I could do myself some damage


On this very subject, I was watching one of the real life Paramedic /
Casualty style programs on a Discovery channel the other night and they
had to attend to a young bloke (early 30s) who had fallen out of bed and
died.

Not sure if alcohol might have been a factor, ie. fallen out and been
incapable of getting back up / asphyxiating himself in the process

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Colin Wilson wrote:
On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme,
but I'm quite serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor,
which is hardwood with a thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the
best of my knowledge, but if I did I could do myself some damage


On this very subject, I was watching one of the real life Paramedic /
Casualty style programs on a Discovery channel the other night and
they had to attend to a young bloke (early 30s) who had fallen out of
bed and died.

Not sure if alcohol might have been a factor, ie. fallen out and been
incapable of getting back up / asphyxiating himself in the process


Right that's it, time for another quango along the lines of CORGI to oversee
person/bed installations. If it saves the life of one person etc..........


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"James Hart" wrote in message
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Colin Wilson wrote:
On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme,
but I'm quite serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor,
which is hardwood with a thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the
best of my knowledge, but if I did I could do myself some damage


On this very subject, I was watching one of the real life Paramedic /
Casualty style programs on a Discovery channel the other night and
they had to attend to a young bloke (early 30s) who had fallen out of
bed and died.

Not sure if alcohol might have been a factor, ie. fallen out and been
incapable of getting back up / asphyxiating himself in the process


Right that's it, time for another quango along the lines of CORGI to
oversee person/bed installations. If it saves the life of one person
etc..........


Please can I have the job?

I want to see people gripping the bed with their buttocks ...

Mary






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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:50:41 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
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I want to see people gripping the bed with their buttocks ...

I think there's a website for that, I believe it is accessed via a
premium rate dialup connection....
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Right that's it, time for another quango along the lines of CORGI to
oversee person/bed installations. If it saves the life of one person
etc..........


Please can I have the job?

I want to see people gripping the bed with their buttocks ...

Mary


ROFL - that conjures up a wonderful picture!

It seems like mostly fellas that are falling out of bed, or almost falling.
Perhaps a prescription for Viagra might help?

Jayne


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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme, but I'm
quite
serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor, which is hardwood
with a
thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the best of my knowledge, but if I
did
I could do myself some damage. What actually stops us falling out of bed -
there must be something? And when does this break down and deposit us
unawares
on the floor - nightmares? Drink? This has been playing on my mind. Any
ideas?
Any solutions? I have a single bed. Andy


Strange that you should ask this.
For the first time that I can remember I fell out of my bed a few weeks
ago. I woke up as I started to fall, in time to break my fall with my
hand. Weird experience

tim


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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:23:53 -0000, "Jayne"
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Right that's it, time for another quango along the lines of CORGI to
oversee person/bed installations. If it saves the life of one person
etc..........


Please can I have the job?

I want to see people gripping the bed with their buttocks ...

Mary


ROFL - that conjures up a wonderful picture!

It seems like mostly fellas that are falling out of bed, or almost falling.
Perhaps a prescription for Viagra might help?

Jayne


No need......... :-)



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"Jayne" wrote in message
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Right that's it, time for another quango along the lines of CORGI to
oversee person/bed installations. If it saves the life of one person
etc..........


Please can I have the job?

I want to see people gripping the bed with their buttocks ...

Mary


ROFL - that conjures up a wonderful picture!

It seems like mostly fellas that are falling out of bed, or almost
falling. Perhaps a prescription for Viagra might help?


Wossat then:

8-)

Mary

Jayne





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"tim" wrote in message
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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme, but I'm
quite
serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor, which is hardwood
with a
thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the best of my knowledge, but if
I did
I could do myself some damage. What actually stops us falling out of
bed -
there must be something? And when does this break down and deposit us
unawares
on the floor - nightmares? Drink? This has been playing on my mind. Any
ideas?
Any solutions? I have a single bed. Andy


Strange that you should ask this.
For the first time that I can remember I fell out of my bed a few weeks
ago. I woke up as I started to fall, in time to break my fall with my
hand. Weird experience


I must admit that I've been pushed out of bed ...

Spouse insists on cuddling up to me and because he twitches I move away from
him ... I've learned to push him away but used to be too fearful of
upsetting him to do that.

Forty five years cures you of such things. We have a very high bed, it's a
long way down.

Mary

tim




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On 10 Nov 2004 12:28:56 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme, but I'm quite
serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor, which is hardwood with a
thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the best of my knowledge, but if I did
I could do myself some damage. What actually stops us falling out of bed -
there must be something?


I thought I saw on the telly recently that we become partially
paralysed when we sleep to stop us acting out fights and beating up
the missus / girlfriend / partner / dog etc.

And when does this break down and deposit us unawares
on the floor - nightmares?


Possibly .. nightmares might overpower the partial paralysis?

Drink? This has been playing on my mind. Any ideas?

I would have thought drink would make you sleep heavier so less chance
of falling out of bed?

I spent most of my childhood in a top bunk bad and can't remember ever
falling ou. We currently have a foam mattress in an ex waterbed frame
(quite high like yours) so there is a 'slight' wooden edge that you
might sense in your subconscious? Mind you, it is a 'King size' (I'm
6' 2") ;-)

I built a single bed across the top half of our box room, first for my
stepdaughter and now my daughter. It has a 6" raised outer edge and I
can't remember anyone falling out of it .. even with two of them in
there (sleepovers etc). It's about 5' 6" from the floor (served with a
small flight of stairs not a ladder) so I think we would hear if
someone fell out!

Any solutions?


High sides?

I have a single bed.

A bigger bed ?

Sleep well ..

T i m ;-)
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:37:53 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
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I must admit that I've been pushed out of bed ...


That's the problem with picking up drunk men Mary? ;-)

Spouse insists on cuddling up to me


I try the same with my Missus and she insists I'm burning her ..
(she's going through that 'womans thing' .. it might just be an excuse
...) I can't help being hot blooded! Can you knit us a bolster please
Mary?

I've learned to push him away but used to be too fearful of
upsetting him to do that.


Bless ;-)

Forty five years cures you of such things.


Yeah sigh .. I didn't know what sleeping on my own was like till I
got married ;-(

All the best ..

T i m
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In message , James Hart
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Colin Wilson wrote:
On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme,
but I'm quite serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor,
which is hardwood with a thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the
best of my knowledge, but if I did I could do myself some damage


On this very subject, I was watching one of the real life Paramedic /
Casualty style programs on a Discovery channel the other night and
they had to attend to a young bloke (early 30s) who had fallen out of
bed and died.

Not sure if alcohol might have been a factor, ie. fallen out and been
incapable of getting back up / asphyxiating himself in the process


Right that's it, time for another quango along the lines of CORGI to oversee
person/bed installations. If it saves the life of one person etc..........

You mean that beds should only be slept in by professionals?

I wonder what that could mean ... and will they buy these new tax
vouchers ?

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In message , Jayne
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Right that's it, time for another quango along the lines of CORGI to
oversee person/bed installations. If it saves the life of one person
etc..........


Please can I have the job?

I want to see people gripping the bed with their buttocks ...

Mary


ROFL - that conjures up a wonderful picture!

It seems like mostly fellas that are falling out of bed, or almost falling.
Perhaps a prescription for Viagra might help?

In the same way a horny corgi (woof woof kind) can't get up the stairs

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Have a look at these:

http://www.newscientist.com/lastword...e.jsp?id=lw430
http://www.newscientist.com/lastword...e.jsp?id=lw959

Andy Evans wrote:
On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme, but I'm quite
serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor, which is hardwood with a
thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the best of my knowledge, but if I did
I could do myself some damage. What actually stops us falling out of bed -
there must be something? And when does this break down and deposit us unawares
on the floor - nightmares? Drink? This has been playing on my mind. Any ideas?
Any solutions? I have a single bed. Andy

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
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Perfect references - well spotted!

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James Hart wrote:
When you go to bed, take a sleeping pill and a Viagra tablet.
The sleeping pill will send you into a deep sleep.
The Viagra will stop you rolling out of bed.
Simple!


Make sure you take the tablets in the right order though else you'll be up
all night with a snoring todger.


And swallow quickly. Otherwise you'll get a stiff neck.

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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme, but I'm
quite
serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor, which is hardwood
with a
thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the best of my knowledge, but if I
did
I could do myself some damage. What actually stops us falling out of bed -
there must be something?


In my case it is usually a couple of cats on either side, leaning against me
and holding the duvet firmly down.

Colin Bignell


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"raden" wrote in message
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In message , James Hart
writes
Colin Wilson wrote:
On the face of it this is a bit like the "Home Truths" programme,
but I'm quite serious. My mattress top is 2 ft 8ins above the floor,
which is hardwood with a thin carpet. I don't fall out of bed to the
best of my knowledge, but if I did I could do myself some damage

On this very subject, I was watching one of the real life Paramedic /
Casualty style programs on a Discovery channel the other night and
they had to attend to a young bloke (early 30s) who had fallen out of
bed and died.

Not sure if alcohol might have been a factor, ie. fallen out and been
incapable of getting back up / asphyxiating himself in the process


Right that's it, time for another quango along the lines of CORGI to
oversee
person/bed installations. If it saves the life of one person etc..........

You mean that beds should only be slept in by professionals?

I wonder what that could mean ... and will they buy these new tax vouchers
?


Don't give Prescott ideas ...

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"T i m" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:37:53 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

I must admit that I've been pushed out of bed ...


That's the problem with picking up drunk men Mary? ;-)


You didn't read far enough. I knew somebody wouldn't but chose to leave it.*

Spouse insists on cuddling up to me


I try the same with my Missus and she insists I'm burning her ..
(she's going through that 'womans thing' .. it might just be an excuse
..) I can't help being hot blooded! Can you knit us a bolster please
Mary?


Knit your own! My poor old arthritic fingers don't do knitting any more.

I noticed that you can buy bolsters again - but can't think where from. One
of these catalogues offering things you wonder how you've managed to live
without, probably.

I've learned to push him away but used to be too fearful of
upsetting him to do that.


Bless ;-)

Forty five years cures you of such things.


Yeah sigh .. I didn't know what sleeping on my own was like till I
got married ;-(


:-)

Mary
*I HATE drunk men. Not all that keen on drunk women either, before you jump
the gun!.


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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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Perfect references - well spotted!


Well, they're anecdotal, not peer reviewed research so as valuable as what's
opined here.

Before I read them I'd thought about babies. If they sleep in a pram or cot
they're contained of course but if they sleep on the floor they don't
travel, in a large bed they don't fall out - both in my experience. I've had
a lot of experince.

Mary

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In article , James Hart wrote:
Right that's it, time for another quango along the lines of CORGI
to oversee person/bed installations


When you think of the number of people who die in their beds it's
obvious that this is long overdue.

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Right that's it, time for another quango along the lines of CORGI
to oversee person/bed installations


When you think of the number of people who die in their beds it's obvious that
this is long overdue.

Yes - people should be encouraged to die standing up, and be buried vertically,
the epitaph then reading "Upright - In death as in life"

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:27:09 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:37:53 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

I must admit that I've been pushed out of bed ...


That's the problem with picking up drunk men Mary? ;-)


You didn't read far enough. I knew somebody wouldn't but chose to leave it.*

Spouse insists on cuddling up to me


I try the same with my Missus and she insists I'm burning her ..
(she's going through that 'womans thing' .. it might just be an excuse
..) I can't help being hot blooded! Can you knit us a bolster please
Mary?


Knit your own! My poor old arthritic fingers don't do knitting any more.

I noticed that you can buy bolsters again - but can't think where from.


The trouble with bolsters is that you can't get ready-made cases to
match the duvet cover and pillowcases.

Oh - I know some people can make their own... :-)

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"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:27:09 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:37:53 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

I must admit that I've been pushed out of bed ...

That's the problem with picking up drunk men Mary? ;-)


You didn't read far enough. I knew somebody wouldn't but chose to leave
it.*

Spouse insists on cuddling up to me

I try the same with my Missus and she insists I'm burning her ..
(she's going through that 'womans thing' .. it might just be an excuse
..) I can't help being hot blooded! Can you knit us a bolster please
Mary?


Knit your own! My poor old arthritic fingers don't do knitting any more.

I noticed that you can buy bolsters again - but can't think where from.


The trouble with bolsters is that you can't get ready-made cases to
match the duvet cover and pillowcases.



If it's used as a body separator does it matter?

In fact, does it matter at all?

Oh - I know some people can make their own... :-)


It's about time someone brought the thread back on topic. Oh - it didn't
start on topic did it ... ?

Mary

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Yes - people should be encouraged to die standing up, and be
buried vertically,


This isn't a new Prescott wheeze for higher density cemeteries is
it? g

the epitaph then reading "Upright - In death as in life"


Mine can read "planning permission for life extension was refused"

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