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? Oil for cable conduit pull through?
I need to pull some cable through a flexi plastic conduit which is a little on
the tight side - the cable is twin and earth and the conduit is that grey flexi, convoluted stuff frequently seen on the continent (as it came from there) and apparently there is a yellow lubricant I think like a thin silicon grease that eases its way through the conduit. I haven't got the yellow grease,.... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? Thanks, Nick |
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nick smith wrote: I need to pull some cable through a flexi plastic conduit which is a little on the tight side - the cable is twin and earth and the conduit is that grey flexi, convoluted stuff frequently seen on the continent (as it came from there) and apparently there is a yellow lubricant I think like a thin silicon grease that eases its way through the conduit. I haven't got the yellow grease,.... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? Hellerman sleeve oil - that's what's used to ease rubber sleeves onto electronic cable. Electronics suppliers like RS etc. Quite pricey, but a little goes a long way, and it keeps well. Other thing might be a medical lubricant safe on latex etc gloves? Probably more expensive, though. -- *Procrastinate now Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"nick smith" wrote in message ... I need to pull some cable through a flexi plastic conduit which is a little on the tight side - the cable is twin and earth and the conduit is that grey flexi, convoluted stuff frequently seen on the continent (as it came from there) and apparently there is a yellow lubricant I think like a thin silicon grease that eases its way through the conduit. I haven't got the yellow grease,.... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? Thanks, Nick A smear of margarine or washing-up liquid will do just as well. Not too much though, just a little on the leading end for about six inches, should work OK. |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:51:40 GMT, nick smith wrote:
I need to pull some cable through a flexi plastic conduit which is a little on the tight side - the cable is twin and earth and the conduit is that grey flexi, convoluted stuff frequently seen on the continent (as it came from there) and apparently there is a yellow lubricant I think like a thin silicon grease that eases its way through the conduit. I haven't got the yellow grease,.... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? I've seen cable jointers using Swarfega to get pvc-sheathed concentric service cable through service ducting, if that's any help. -- the dot wanderer at tesco dot net |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:51:40 GMT, "nick smith"
strung together this: so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? Washing up liquid or squirty soap. (Probably be someone along in a minute to tell us of the scientific reasons why you shouldn't do this). -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd |
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so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ?
Talc - probably :-} What sort of load are you pulling from the other end of the cable - have you allowed for changes to the rating of the cable given the "tight" nature of the conduit (unless its only a short run) ? Do you intend to use the conduit and T&E in a "flexible" environment, where the cable might need to move with an appliance etc ? -- Please add "[newsgroup]" in the subject of any personal replies via email --- My new email address has "ngspamtrap" & @btinternet.com in it ;-) --- |
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"nick smith" wrote in message ... I need to pull some cable through a flexi plastic conduit which is a little on the tight side - the cable is twin and earth and the conduit is that grey flexi, convoluted stuff frequently seen on the continent (as it came from there) and apparently there is a yellow lubricant I think like a thin silicon grease that eases its way through the conduit. I haven't got the yellow grease,.... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? Thanks, Nick ============= The lubricant you're thinking about is probably tallow. Buy it at: www.cromwell.co.uk Cic. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , nick smith wrote: I need to pull some cable through a flexi plastic conduit which is a little on the tight side - the cable is twin and earth and the conduit is that grey flexi, convoluted stuff frequently seen on the continent (as it came from there) and apparently there is a yellow lubricant I think like a thin silicon grease that eases its way through the conduit. I haven't got the yellow grease,.... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? Hellerman sleeve oil - that's what's used to ease rubber sleeves onto electronic cable. Electronics suppliers like RS etc. Quite pricey, but a little goes a long way, and it keeps well. Other thing might be a medical lubricant safe on latex etc gloves? Probably more expensive, though. I've always used KY Gel in these tight situations grin Don. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.794 / Virus Database: 538 - Release Date: 10/11/2004 |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Other thing might be a medical lubricant safe on latex etc gloves? Probably more expensive, though. KY or something similar? But don't buy in in a chemist - go to a "country store" (eg. Mole Valley Farmers) and get some cow lube by the litre, complete with retractable applicator tube... Gordon |
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"Colin Wilson" wrote in message t... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? Talc - probably :-} No, AIUI talc or French chalk use to be used with the old cotton rubber cable (i.e. single core cable for conduit installation), I've certainly come across chalk residue in old installation in the past whilst replacing (many years ago) cotton covered with PVC cable. I can't what used to be suggested for PVC but it wasn't chalk. |
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In message , nick smith
writes I need to pull some cable through a flexi plastic conduit which is a little on the tight side - the cable is twin and earth and the conduit is that grey flexi, convoluted stuff frequently seen on the continent (as it came from there) and apparently there is a yellow lubricant I think like a thin silicon grease that eases its way through the conduit. I haven't got the yellow grease,.... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? Why not use KY Jelly ? - should be safe on plastics and rubber .... and guarantee satisfaction -- geoff |
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"nick smith" wrote in message
... I need to pull some cable through a flexi plastic conduit which is a little on the tight side - the cable is twin and earth and the conduit is that grey flexi, convoluted stuff frequently seen on the continent (as it came from there) and apparently there is a yellow lubricant I think like a thin silicon grease that eases its way through the conduit. I haven't got the yellow grease,.... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? I am sure you will get some somewhat, er, interesting replies to this! I was faced with an almost identical problem recently, when I had to pull a couple of grey twin-and-earth mains cables plus three 4-core alarm cables through a long length of flexible conduit. The solution I used, one that has worked for me many times before, is to squirt Mister Sheen or some similar silicone-based cleaner/polish on the cables, and then give them a quick wipe. Works a treat, but I don't recommend it for bedroom activities! Rick |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , nick smith wrote: I need to pull some cable through a flexi plastic conduit which is a little on the tight side - the cable is twin and earth and the conduit is that grey flexi, convoluted stuff frequently seen on the continent (as it came from there) and apparently there is a yellow lubricant I think like a thin silicon grease that eases its way through the conduit. I haven't got the yellow grease,.... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? Hellerman sleeve oil - that's what's used to ease rubber sleeves onto electronic cable. Electronics suppliers like RS etc. Quite pricey, but a little goes a long way, and it keeps well. oooooooooooo, I remember those rubber sleeves so well, and the 3 pronged 'virgin breakers' we used to apply them with. |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:48:04 -0000, "Richard Sterry"
strung together this: I had to pull a couple of grey twin-and-earth mains cables plus three 4-core alarm cables through a long length of flexible conduit. Oh dear oh dear, that's a failure for a start. -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd |
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raden wrote:
In message , nick smith writes I need to pull some cable through a flexi plastic conduit which is a little on the tight side - the cable is twin and earth and the conduit is that grey flexi, convoluted stuff frequently seen on the continent (as it came from there) and apparently there is a yellow lubricant I think like a thin silicon grease that eases its way through the conduit. I haven't got the yellow grease,.... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? Why not use KY Jelly ? - should be safe on plastics and rubber ... and guarantee satisfaction. Try http://www.micro90.net for a free sample of P-80 THIX rubber lubricant. You can't buy it at a chemist's but a free bottle goes a long way. -- Eiron. |
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"Colin Wilson" wrote in message t... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? Talc - probably :-} What sort of load are you pulling from the other end of the cable - have you allowed for changes to the rating of the cable given the "tight" nature of the conduit (unless its only a short run) ? Do you intend to use the conduit and T&E in a "flexible" environment, where the cable might need to move with an appliance etc ? -- Please add "[newsgroup]" in the subject of any personal replies via email --- My new email address has "ngspamtrap" & @btinternet.com in it ;-) --- Yes - load is about 300 watts and the cable is 1.5mm twin and earth, so I think there is enough margin of safety there.... I could use 1.0mm but 1.5mm is what I have so I am using it. No - its a fixed environment - twin and earth is not intended for a flexible environment as the copper will work harden and fracture. Nick |
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I've always used KY Gel in these tight situations grin Don. I used it all up on the first run - now eyeing up the washing up liquid... if I can find it... I last saw it on the bedside table I think, by the batteries... Nick |
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fred wrote: Hellerman sleeve oil - that's what's used to ease rubber sleeves onto electronic cable. Electronics suppliers like RS etc. Quite pricey, but a little goes a long way, and it keeps well. oooooooooooo, I remember those rubber sleeves so well, and the 3 pronged 'virgin breakers' we used to apply them with. Heh heh. I've heard it called the honeymoon tool. I use them lots - nothing to beat them. Difficult to get the selection of colours that were once available. -- *Upon the advice of my attorney, my shirt bears no message at this time Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , fred wrote: Hellerman sleeve oil - that's what's used to ease rubber sleeves onto electronic cable. Electronics suppliers like RS etc. Quite pricey, but a little goes a long way, and it keeps well. oooooooooooo, I remember those rubber sleeves so well, and the 3 pronged 'virgin breakers' we used to apply them with. Heh heh. I've heard it called the honeymoon tool. Err ... excuse me, the correct term is "fanny stretcher" -- geoff |
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"Lurch" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:51:40 GMT, "nick smith" strung together this: so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? Washing up liquid or squirty soap. (Probably be someone along in a minute to tell us of the scientific reasons why you shouldn't do this). SJW A.C.S. Ltd The only scientific reason I can think of not to use squirty soap is that it's expensive. :-)) Washing-up liquid is cheaper. |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:14:21 GMT, raden wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article , fred wrote: Hellerman sleeve oil - that's what's used to ease rubber sleeves onto electronic cable. Electronics suppliers like RS etc. Quite pricey, but a little goes a long way, and it keeps well. oooooooooooo, I remember those rubber sleeves so well, and the 3 pronged 'virgin breakers' we used to apply them with. Heh heh. I've heard it called the honeymoon tool. Err ... excuse me, the correct term is "fanny stretcher" Virgin Urgers or Honeymoon (as opposed to Hellerman) Pliers -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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nick smith wrote:
I need to pull some cable through a flexi plastic conduit which is a little on the tight side - the cable is twin and earth and the conduit is that grey flexi, convoluted stuff frequently seen on the continent (as it came from there) and apparently there is a yellow lubricant I think like a thin silicon grease that eases its way through the conduit. I haven't got the yellow grease,.... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? The stuff you want is Yellow 77 Pulling Lubricant:- http://custom1.farnell.com/cpc/produ...5Fid=TL0059066 Having said that it is always simpler to run singles through conduit rather than T&E. If needs be then strip of the outer sheath of the T&E. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message news On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:14:21 GMT, raden wrote: In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article , fred wrote: Hellerman sleeve oil - that's what's used to ease rubber sleeves onto electronic cable. Electronics suppliers like RS etc. Quite pricey, but a little goes a long way, and it keeps well. oooooooooooo, I remember those rubber sleeves so well, and the 3 pronged 'virgin breakers' we used to apply them with. Heh heh. I've heard it called the honeymoon tool. Err ... excuse me, the correct term is "fanny stretcher" Virgin Urgers or Honeymoon (as opposed to Hellerman) Pliers .andy Hymen, not Hellerman, pliers....was what I always knew them as. :-)) |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message ... nick smith wrote: I need to pull some cable through a flexi plastic conduit which is a little on the tight side - the cable is twin and earth and the conduit is that grey flexi, convoluted stuff frequently seen on the continent (as it came from there) and apparently there is a yellow lubricant I think like a thin silicon grease that eases its way through the conduit. I haven't got the yellow grease,.... so the question is.... is there a suitable everyday UK alternative ? The stuff you want is Yellow 77 Pulling Lubricant:- http://custom1.farnell.com/cpc/produ...5Fid=TL0059066 Having said that it is always simpler to run singles through conduit rather than T&E. If needs be then strip of the outer sheath of the T&E. Cheers, John. But then you're left with a bare copper strand as the earth though and, in plastic conduit especially, that's not a good idea if you need a proper earth bond at the other end. |
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BigWallop wrote:
But then you're left with a bare copper strand as the earth though and, in plastic conduit especially, that's not a good idea if you need a proper earth bond at the other end. Well buy a reel of earth single then... having said that, last time I bought earth sleaving from screwfix it came in a 50m bundle! So you could sleave it yourself. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article , fred wrote: Hellerman sleeve oil - that's what's used to ease rubber sleeves onto electronic cable. Electronics suppliers like RS etc. Quite pricey, but a little goes a long way, and it keeps well. oooooooooooo, I remember those rubber sleeves so well, and the 3 pronged 'virgin breakers' we used to apply them with. Heh heh. I've heard it called the honeymoon tool. Err ... excuse me, the correct term is "fanny stretcher" Maxie, sex on the brain again, after I thought you were a true romantic. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" writes: In article , fred wrote: Hellerman sleeve oil - that's what's used to ease rubber sleeves onto electronic cable. Electronics suppliers like RS etc. Quite pricey, but a little goes a long way, and it keeps well. oooooooooooo, I remember those rubber sleeves so well, and the 3 pronged 'virgin breakers' we used to apply them with. Heh heh. I've heard it called the honeymoon tool. I use them lots - nothing to beat them. Difficult to get the selection of colours that were once available. When I worked at GEC some years back, we had dustbins full of them on the production lines. I grabbed some handfulls from our engineering model shop when they decided to close it and chuck the contents in the skip. Some 15 years later, I've run out of that stock and as you say, finding anyone selling all the colours now is impossible. I now use the dark grey ones, normally bought from Farnell. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes: In article , fred wrote: Hellerman sleeve oil - that's what's used to ease rubber sleeves onto electronic cable. Electronics suppliers like RS etc. Quite pricey, but a little goes a long way, and it keeps well. oooooooooooo, I remember those rubber sleeves so well, and the 3 pronged 'virgin breakers' we used to apply them with. Heh heh. I've heard it called the honeymoon tool. I use them lots - nothing to beat them. Difficult to get the selection of colours that were once available. When I worked at GEC some years back, we had dustbins full of them on the production lines. I grabbed some handfulls from our engineering model shop when they decided to close it and chuck the contents in the skip. Some 15 years later, I've run out of that stock and as you say, finding anyone selling all the colours now is impossible. I now use the dark grey ones, normally bought from Farnell. All this talk of Hellerman oil, pliers and coloured sleeves ... what mnemonic do 'they' (pc brigade) use to teach the 'colour code' nowadays? I was taught it (by rote) in the early sixties - can't believe the teaching method has survived until this century. -- Brian |
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"Gordon Henderson" wrote
| Dave Plowman (News) wrote: | Other thing might be a medical lubricant safe on latex etc gloves? | Probably more expensive, though. | KY or something similar? But don't buy in in a chemist - go to a | "country store" (eg. Mole Valley Farmers) and get some cow lube | by the litre, complete with retractable applicator tube... And watch the assistant's face as you ask "is this condom friendly" ;-) Owain |
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"John Rumm" wrote
| The stuff you want is Yellow 77 Pulling Lubricant:- Now *that* sounds a useful product ;-) Is it based on pheronomes? Owain |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:24:29 +0000, Lurch
wrote: Washing up liquid or squirty soap. (Probably be someone along in a minute to tell us of the scientific reasons why you shouldn't do this). Cheap washing up liquid is thickened with salt. |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:24:29 +0000, Lurch wrote: Washing up liquid or squirty soap. (Probably be someone along in a minute to tell us of the scientific reasons why you shouldn't do this). Cheap washing up liquid is thickened with salt. wots wrong with KY gel. |
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wots wrong with KY gel. Tastes better than swarfega, , WD 40 or washing up liquid, apparently !! Nick |
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Owain wrote:
"Gordon Henderson" wrote | Dave Plowman (News) wrote: | Other thing might be a medical lubricant safe on latex etc gloves? | Probably more expensive, though. | KY or something similar? But don't buy in in a chemist - go to a | "country store" (eg. Mole Valley Farmers) and get some cow lube | by the litre, complete with retractable applicator tube... And watch the assistant's face as you ask "is this condom friendly" ;-) "Do you have any flavoured ones?" |
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"Lurch" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:48:04 -0000, "Richard Sterry" strung together this: I had to pull a couple of grey twin-and-earth mains cables plus three 4-core alarm cables through a long length of flexible conduit. Oh dear oh dear, that's a failure for a start. Not at all. I said it was alarm cable - I did not say it was used for an alarm! (It isn't.) I do recall terrible problems many years ago when petrol pump signal cables were run in the same conduit as the motor power cables, but that's another story... :-) Rick |
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:09:56 -0000, "Richard Sterry"
strung together this: Not at all. I said it was alarm cable - I did not say it was used for an alarm! (It isn't.) Well, what are you using them for then? Doesn't sound very good to me..... -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd |
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