Greetings and Felicitations, O Great Ones!

First see earlier threads:

Back boiler. Stiff nipple screw?!

"We have Lift-off!" Sealed CH System.


Looks like we will be taking the plunge so to speak and changing our boiler
sooner rather than latter.

Requirements:

3 bedrooms, bathroom, DHW cylinder.

Dining room (Double Rad), Parlour/Sitting Room (DoubleRad), Kitchen.

Due to some little know kitchen design regulation the kitchen "must have a
kick-space radiator". There is no appeal against this W.S.

Last year I did my heating calculations using u-values and all that good
stuff from Rocky Prescott's site.

So I think the Rads are speced correctly.

Bed rooms on Zone 2

Downstairs zone 1

DHW (Own zone0

Seperate 3/4" (Yes, we still use Imperial system) flow and return to Kitchen
laid in.

bathroom on when any zone on.

At the moment we have a Baxi Bermuda 552. (BBU and fire front) in dining
room


Now the problem/challenge?!

The new boiler and its location.

We will probably go condensing. No gas fire in fire place. (I'm Googleing
past threads at mo)

All my improvements are beside chimney brest: pump, valves ,programmer etc,
in a specially built cupboard.

So location for boiler?

Have read Ed's faqs and other stuff.



Francis

1 bathroom? go for a decent combi


"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...
Greetings and Felicitations, O Great Ones!

First see earlier threads:

Back boiler. Stiff nipple screw?!

"We have Lift-off!" Sealed CH System.


Looks like we will be taking the plunge so to speak and changing our
boiler
sooner rather than latter.

Requirements:

3 bedrooms, bathroom, DHW cylinder.

Dining room (Double Rad), Parlour/Sitting Room (DoubleRad), Kitchen.

Due to some little know kitchen design regulation the kitchen "must have a
kick-space radiator". There is no appeal against this W.S.

Last year I did my heating calculations using u-values and all that good
stuff from Rocky Prescott's site.

So I think the Rads are speced correctly.

Bed rooms on Zone 2

Downstairs zone 1

DHW (Own zone0

Seperate 3/4" (Yes, we still use Imperial system) flow and return to
Kitchen
laid in.

bathroom on when any zone on.

At the moment we have a Baxi Bermuda 552. (BBU and fire front) in dining
room


Now the problem/challenge?!

The new boiler and its location.

We will probably go condensing. No gas fire in fire place. (I'm Googleing
past threads at mo)

All my improvements are beside chimney brest: pump, valves ,programmer
etc,
in a specially built cupboard.

So location for boiler?

Have read Ed's faqs and other stuff.



Francis

"db" wrote in message
...
1 bathroom? go for a decent combi



Have not researched combis.

Do they need good mains pressure?

Our mains fluctuates during the day. We have a mainswater electric shower
which does not work sometimes cos pressure is to low.



Francis.

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:46:02 +0100, FrancisJK wrote:


"db" wrote in message
...
1 bathroom? go for a decent combi



Have not researched combis.

Do they need good mains pressure?
Well reasonable rather than good.


Our mains fluctuates during the day. We have a mainswater electric shower
which does not work sometimes cos pressure is to low.

In which case no combi.

I urge you to avoid trying to install the new boiler in the fireplace.
The gas supply will likely need upgrading. The fireplace is likely in a
living room which you don't really want a boiler in. So really the only
pros are the flow and return pipes already there. Finally the fireplace
may be more useful in other ways.




--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
FrancisJK wrote:

"db" wrote in message
...
1 bathroom? go for a decent combi



Have not researched combis.

Do they need good mains pressure?

Our mains fluctuates during the day. We have a mainswater electric
shower which does not work sometimes cos pressure is to low.



Francis.

In that case, a combi ain't going to work - because you do need good mains
pressure or - at any rate - good flow.

Measure the flow at your kitchen tap (or the tap nearest to the rising
main), using a calibrated bucket and stopwatch. Perceived wisdom seems to
suggest that you need a consistent flow rate of 20-odd litres per minute -
about *twice* what I get!
--
Cheers,
Set Square
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"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...
Greetings and Felicitations, O Great Ones!

First see earlier threads:

Back boiler. Stiff nipple screw?!

"We have Lift-off!" Sealed CH System.


Looks like we will be taking the plunge so to speak and changing our
boiler
sooner rather than latter.

Requirements:

3 bedrooms, bathroom, DHW cylinder.

Dining room (Double Rad), Parlour/Sitting Room (DoubleRad), Kitchen.

Due to some little know kitchen design regulation the kitchen "must have a
kick-space radiator". There is no appeal against this W.S.

Last year I did my heating calculations using u-values and all that good
stuff from Rocky Prescott's site.

So I think the Rads are speced correctly.

Bed rooms on Zone 2

Downstairs zone 1

DHW (Own zone0

Seperate 3/4" (Yes, we still use Imperial system) flow and return to
Kitchen
laid in.

bathroom on when any zone on.

At the moment we have a Baxi Bermuda 552. (BBU and fire front) in dining
room


Now the problem/challenge?!

The new boiler and its location.

We will probably go condensing. No gas fire in fire place. (I'm Googleing
past threads at mo)

All my improvements are beside chimney brest: pump, valves ,programmer
etc,
in a specially built cupboard.

So location for boiler?

Have read Ed's faqs and other stuff.

If you are in southern Ireland, I belive combi's are banned. is that so? If
so go for a either, if available in Ireland: Worcster-Bosch Greenstar, Glow
Worm condenser. Ideal ICOS. The Quantum boiler has an oulet in Ireland, and
a very good boiler too.

In message , IMM writes

If you are in southern Ireland, I belive combi's are banned. is that so?

I bet you believe in Santa Klaus too

No, they are not


--
geoff

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:46:02 +0100, FrancisJK wrote:


"db" wrote in message
...
1 bathroom? go for a decent combi



Have not researched combis.

Do they need good mains pressure?
Well reasonable rather than good.


Our mains fluctuates during the day. We have a mainswater electric
shower
which does not work sometimes cos pressure is to low.

In which case no combi.

I urge you to avoid trying to install the new boiler in the fireplace.
The gas supply will likely need upgrading. The fireplace is likely in a
living room which you don't really want a boiler in. So really the only
pros are the flow and return pipes already there. Finally the fireplace
may be more useful in other ways.




--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html



Wasn't going to put boiler in fire place.

Thinking of turning it into an aquarium. "NO, YOU ARE NOT"

At present, fire front is rarely turned on, but there is something primeval
and comforting about an open fire when the rain is pelting down.

I saw a trendy electric fire as big as a wide screen tv, ?1500. The security
guard, Russian, was not impressed when I asked him how do I change the
channel on it.

Anyway back to the boiler; our living room is large, certainly by today's
standards, about 10' x 18'. One end has a walk in closet under the stairs,
used for nothing at the moment.

Kitchen is quite small, I may not be allowed to site it there; W.S. and all
that.

I am aware that the gas feed will need upgrading. At present it enters as
3/4" and changes somewhere to 1/2". Don't yet know where.

Will be getting a man in to do this. Is there a scale of charges for such
work? Does it relate to length of pipe run?

Ok. I now have a new battery for my digital multimeter.

Got thermal paste for the boiler thermostat suppository thingy.

Took temp at suppository with DMM. Goes to 82 deg C before burner cuts out.

Tested flow at site where overheat thermostat is, 77 deg C.


Have drained system and added Fernox cleaner.
Running now.


Francis

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...
Greetings and Felicitations, O Great Ones!


SNIP

If you are in southern Ireland, I belive combi's are banned. is that so?
If
so go for a either, if available in Ireland: Worcster-Bosch Greenstar,
Glow
Worm condenser. Ideal ICOS.

The Quantum boiler has an oulet in Ireland, and
a very good boiler too.

Where is its inlet, England?





Don't know about combis being banned here. We have banned smoking in all
workplaces though.

It could be that the pressure fluctuates so much that they are not used
here.

We watched as the infrastructure crumled in the UK and said, "If it is good
enough for the Brits, it is good enough for us Paddys", so we let ours
crumble too!!!


Francis

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM writes

If you are in southern Ireland, I belive combi's are banned. is that so?

I bet you believe in Santa Klaus too

No, they are not

In southerm Ireland not that long ago, certainly unvented systems were not
allowed, so I assumed all mains presure systems were taboo.

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM writes

If you are in southern Ireland, I belive combi's are banned. is that
so?

I bet you believe in Santa Klaus too

No, they are not

In southerm Ireland not that long ago, certainly unvented systems were not
allowed, so I assumed all mains presure systems were taboo.






I saw sealed systems being installed here in the early seventies.


Francis

FrancisJK wrote:

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:46:02 +0100, FrancisJK wrote:
snip
I urge you to avoid trying to install the new boiler in the fireplace.
The gas supply will likely need upgrading. The fireplace is likely in a
living room which you don't really want a boiler in. So really the only
pros are the flow and return pipes already there. Finally the fireplace
may be more useful in other ways.

Wasn't going to put boiler in fire place.

Thinking of turning it into an aquarium. "NO, YOU ARE NOT"

At present, fire front is rarely turned on, but there is something primeval
and comforting about an open fire when the rain is pelting down.

I saw a trendy electric fire as big as a wide screen tv, ?1500. The security
guard, Russian, was not impressed when I asked him how do I change the
channel on it.

Is there such a thing as a longwave IR transparent projector screen?
Projector recessed into ceiling, pointed at 'fireplace', which has
electric radiant heater behind.
Plus, you can change it for a picture of fish.

"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...
Greetings and Felicitations, O Great Ones!

First see earlier threads:

Back boiler. Stiff nipple screw?!

"We have Lift-off!" Sealed CH System.


Looks like we will be taking the plunge so to speak and changing our
boiler
sooner rather than latter.

Requirements:

3 bedrooms, bathroom, DHW cylinder.

Dining room (Double Rad), Parlour/Sitting Room (DoubleRad), Kitchen.

Due to some little know kitchen design regulation the kitchen "must have a
kick-space radiator". There is no appeal against this W.S.

Last year I did my heating calculations using u-values and all that good
stuff from Rocky Prescott's site.

So I think the Rads are speced correctly.

Bed rooms on Zone 2

Downstairs zone 1

DHW (Own zone0

Seperate 3/4" (Yes, we still use Imperial system) flow and return to
Kitchen
laid in.

bathroom on when any zone on.

At the moment we have a Baxi Bermuda 552. (BBU and fire front) in dining
room


Now the problem/challenge?!

The new boiler and its location.

We will probably go condensing. No gas fire in fire place. (I'm Googleing
past threads at mo)

All my improvements are beside chimney brest: pump, valves ,programmer
etc,
in a specially built cupboard.

So location for boiler?

Have read Ed's faqs and other stuff.



Francis





Running with Fernox cleanser; flow now up to 82 deg C, return 70 deg C.

Looks like we will get at least another year out of BBU.


Francis

"Ian Stirling" wrote in message
...
FrancisJK wrote:

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:46:02 +0100, FrancisJK wrote:
snip
I urge you to avoid trying to install the new boiler in the fireplace.
The gas supply will likely need upgrading. The fireplace is likely in a
living room which you don't really want a boiler in. So really the only
pros are the flow and return pipes already there. Finally the fireplace
may be more useful in other ways.

Wasn't going to put boiler in fire place.

Thinking of turning it into an aquarium. "NO, YOU ARE NOT"

At present, fire front is rarely turned on, but there is something
primeval
and comforting about an open fire when the rain is pelting down.

I saw a trendy electric fire as big as a wide screen tv, ?1500. The
security
guard, Russian, was not impressed when I asked him how do I change the
channel on it.

Is there such a thing as a longwave IR transparent projector screen?
Projector recessed into ceiling, pointed at 'fireplace', which has
electric radiant heater behind.
Plus, you can change it for a picture of fish.

Wife impressed with your suggestion.


Francis

"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM
writes

If you are in southern Ireland, I belive combi's are banned. is that
so?

I bet you believe in Santa Klaus too

No, they are not

In southerm Ireland not that long ago, certainly unvented systems were
not
allowed, so I assumed all mains presure systems were taboo.

I saw sealed systems being installed here in the early seventies.

I sealed system is very different to a mains pressure water system.

"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...
Greetings and Felicitations, O Great Ones!


SNIP

If you are in southern Ireland, I belive combi's are banned. is that so?
If
so go for a either, if available in Ireland: Worcster-Bosch Greenstar,
Glow
Worm condenser. Ideal ICOS.

The Quantum boiler has an oulet in Ireland, and
a very good boiler too.

Where is its inlet, England?

http://www.quantum-boilers.co.uk

They show an installation in Ireland.

Don't know about combis being banned here. We have banned smoking in all
workplaces though.

We should do the same, and in pubs and restaurants too.

It could be that the pressure fluctuates so much that they are not used
here.

We watched as the infrastructure crumled in the UK and said, "If it is
good
enough for the Brits, it is good enough for us Paddys", so we let ours
crumble too!!!

You are near the mark.

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM
writes

If you are in southern Ireland, I belive combi's are banned. is
that
so?

I bet you believe in Santa Klaus too

No, they are not

In southerm Ireland not that long ago, certainly unvented systems were
not
allowed, so I assumed all mains presure systems were taboo.

I saw sealed systems being installed here in the early seventies.

I sealed system is very different to a mains pressure water system.



Mains pressure electric showers are permitted.

Francis

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:28:16 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...
Greetings and Felicitations, O Great Ones!


Don't know about combis being banned here. We have banned smoking in all
workplaces though.

We should do the same, and in pubs and restaurants too.


They are workplaces.....


..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

On 2004-08-22, raden wrote:
In message , IMM writes

If you are in southern Ireland, I belive combi's are banned. is that so?

I bet you believe in Santa Klaus too

Is that the German version of Santa?

;-)

Cheers
Dan.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:28:16 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...
Greetings and Felicitations, O Great Ones!


Don't know about combis being banned here. We have banned smoking in
all
workplaces though.

We should do the same, and in pubs and restaurants too.

They are workplaces.....

An astute observation, 10/10.

"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...

"db" wrote in message
...
1 bathroom? go for a decent combi



Have not researched combis.

Do they need good mains pressure?

Yep.

Our mains fluctuates during the day. We have a mainswater electric shower
which does not work sometimes cos pressure is to low.

You are stuck with two choices.

1. Tanks, cylinders and pumps.
2. An accumulator eliminating a cold water storage tank and pumps, but a
cylinder is still required in either an unvented cylinder or a thermal
store/heat bank.

"FrancisJK" wrote in message
...
Greetings and Felicitations, O Great Ones!

First see earlier threads:

Back boiler. Stiff nipple screw?!

"We have Lift-off!" Sealed CH System.


Looks like we will be taking the plunge so to speak and changing our
boiler
sooner rather than latter.

Requirements:

3 bedrooms, bathroom, DHW cylinder.

Dining room (Double Rad), Parlour/Sitting Room (DoubleRad), Kitchen.

Due to some little know kitchen design regulation the kitchen "must have a
kick-space radiator". There is no appeal against this W.S.

Last year I did my heating calculations using u-values and all that good
stuff from Rocky Prescott's site.

So I think the Rads are speced correctly.

Bed rooms on Zone 2

Downstairs zone 1

DHW (Own zone0

Seperate 3/4" (Yes, we still use Imperial system) flow and return to
Kitchen
laid in.

bathroom on when any zone on.

At the moment we have a Baxi Bermuda 552. (BBU and fire front) in dining
room


Now the problem/challenge?!

The new boiler and its location.

We will probably go condensing. No gas fire in fire place. (I'm Googleing
past threads at mo)

All my improvements are beside chimney brest: pump, valves ,programmer
etc,
in a specially built cupboard.

So location for boiler?

Have read Ed's faqs and other stuff.



Francis






Tuesday, 24 August.

Gonna run system with cleanser until Saturday and then flush and refill.

I'll post an update next week.


Francis