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Hi there,
We are renovating our house as we go along, we have put new doors on the existing carcass of our kitchen, and they look great. One problem we have is the worktops, really out of date and naf looking. We can't afford to replace all the worktops yet, as the cooker fits into the corner of one of them and they we can't get the depth without ordering it, and it is going to cost quite a lot.... My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? If so, how was it? Does it still look ok, and is it a good idea. Obviously we realise that we would have to be careful with the surface with sharp objects etc .. but nothing can be as bad as it looks at the moment. There are some quite nice patterns available these days too :-) Many thanks in advance for your help. Regards Rachel |
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Rachel wrote:
snip My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? The owner of the next door flat did this prior to letting it and yes, it does look as bad as it sounds. Fits in well with the state of the rest of his flat though. :) It may look ok for a little while though, if you are careful about applying it and what you put on it... Lee -- To reply use lee.blaver and ntlworld.com |
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Rachel wrote: My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? As in the sticky back plastic stuff? Can't see that lasting long at all if I'm thinking of the right stuff. A friend when presented with a similar problem fitted a thin hardwood strip along the front of the worktop to square it off and tiled onto the worktop with cheap white tiles (the type that are 3 quid per acre in Wickes etc). Looked surprisingly good and lasted several years. I seem to remember him using some special grout that didn't get so dirty though - I'm sure others on here could advise. Tiled worktops can be a bit of a nightmare but if the one you have is really that bad it maybe worth a try. Certainly I would have thought it would be better than sticky back plastic (if fablon isn't sticky back plastic then ignore me :-))! Darren |
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"Rachel" wrote
| My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering | the existing worktops using FABLON ? s/FABLON/sticky-back-plastic because I might not have been using the authentic trademarked stuff. Yes. And cupboard fronts. | If so, how was it? Vile. | Does it still look ok, No. | and is it a good idea. No. | Obviously we realise that we would have to be careful with the surface | with sharp objects etc .. but nothing can be as bad as it looks at | the moment. Sticky-back-plastic works okay for things that have *very light* use. I've had very good results converting a bedside chest of drawers from white to "pine" and changing the knobs to brass. However, it seems to shrink after a while leaving sticky edges, it is difficult to get edges to stick down, and any 3-dimesnional curves go wrinkly. joints are an absolute no-no. If your worktops are square edged you might be able to just stick new laminate on the top and front edge. Owain |
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On 25 Feb 2004 05:59:25 -0800,
(Lobster) wrote: How about Formica (if you can still buy it)? I remember doing the same job a few years ago using this, bought from B&Q I think? It's quite thick and durable, needs to be cut very carefully with a fine saw, and is glued down with Evostik or similar. I haven't seen formica in many years, but I remember my father doing a whole kitchen with it. I thought that you scored and snapped it? I might be wrong though! PoP ----- My published email address probably won't work. If you need to contact me please submit your comments via the web form at http://www.anyoldtripe.co.uk I apologise for the additional effort, however the level of unsolicited email I receive makes it impossible to advertise my real email address! |
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:26:13 +0000, PoP wrote:
On 25 Feb 2004 05:59:25 -0800, (Lobster) wrote: How about Formica (if you can still buy it)? I remember doing the same job a few years ago using this, bought from B&Q I think? It's quite thick and durable, needs to be cut very carefully with a fine saw, and is glued down with Evostik or similar. I haven't seen formica in many years, but I remember my father doing a whole kitchen with it. I thought that you scored and snapped it? I might be wrong though! It's obtainable and useful in certain applications. A good trimming method is a router with trimming cutter - i.e. ball race on the bottom. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:50:20 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote: A good trimming method is a router with trimming cutter - i.e. ball race on the bottom. Back in the 60's when the design objectives for B&Q hadn't yet taken shape in the scrotum of its originator routers weren't exactly the routine tool a DIYer acquired. A simple electric drill and sander was about it. I just have this vision of Dad doing the formica by scribing and snapping - but I'm still not sure if this is right! PoP ----- My published email address probably won't work. If you need to contact me please submit your comments via the web form at http://www.anyoldtripe.co.uk I apologise for the additional effort, however the level of unsolicited email I receive makes it impossible to advertise my real email address! |
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:16:54 +0000, PoP wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:50:20 +0000, Andy Hall wrote: A good trimming method is a router with trimming cutter - i.e. ball race on the bottom. Back in the 60's when the design objectives for B&Q hadn't yet taken shape in the scrotum of its originator routers weren't exactly the routine tool a DIYer acquired. That seminal moment had not taken place. A simple electric drill and sander was about it. I just have this vision of Dad doing the formica by scribing and snapping - but I'm still not sure if this is right! That was how it was done and it's still effective. The other tool was something like a Surform to clean up the edges. PoP ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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replying to Rachel, pollywolly wrote:
rwallis wrote: Hi there, We are renovating our house as we go along, we have put new doors on the existing carcass of our kitchen, and they look great. One problem we have is the worktops, really out of date and naf looking. We can't afford to replace all the worktops yet, as the cooker fits into the corner of one of them and they we can't get the depth without ordering it, and it is going to cost quite a lot.... My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? If so, how was it? Does it still look ok, and is it a good idea. Obviously we realise that we would have to be careful with the surface with sharp objects etc .. but nothing can be as bad as it looks at the moment. There are some quite nice patterns available these days too :-) Many thanks in advance for your help. Regards Rachel We did ours 3 years ago and its still like new, we chose a nice green. The cupboards are white so it looked good and still does so for 28 pounds itsvwas a bargain. -- |
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I've seen some Fablon-like stuff being applied to car bodies - I think there was a vehicle on George Clarke's Amazing Spaces on which they used it and it cost a fortune but made it look very good. I think it was a Land Rover being used as an outdoor cocktail bar. |
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On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 7:18:03 PM UTC, Murmansk wrote:
I've seen some Fablon-like stuff being applied to car bodies - I think there was a vehicle on George Clarke's Amazing Spaces on which they used it and it cost a fortune but made it look very good. I think it was a Land Rover being used as an outdoor cocktail bar. But on wood it peels & splits with time. The adhesive picks up lots of dirt.... gross. NT |
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On 16/01/15 18:44, pollywolly wrote:
replying to Rachel, pollywolly wrote: rwallis wrote: Hi there, We are renovating our house as we go along, we have put new doors on the existing carcass of our kitchen, and they look great. One problem we have is the worktops, really out of date and naf looking. We can't afford to replace all the worktops yet, as the cooker fits into the corner of one of them and they we can't get the depth without ordering it, and it is going to cost quite a lot.... My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? If so, how was it? Does it still look ok, and is it a good idea. Obviously we realise that we would have to be careful with the surface with sharp objects etc .. but nothing can be as bad as it looks at the moment. There are some quite nice patterns available these days too :-) Many thanks in advance for your help. Regards Rachel We did ours 3 years ago and its still like new, we chose a nice green. The cupboards are white so it looked good and still does so for 28 pounds itsvwas a bargain. We used to do that in the 80's - it generally works really quite well. Shelves and also tarted up a small freezer that looked a bit sad. If you clean the surface with a good degreaser (sugar soap if it is greasy would work best) it should last for many years. |
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On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 8:18:45 PM UTC, Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/01/15 18:44, pollywolly wrote: replying to Rachel, pollywolly wrote: rwallis wrote: Hi there, We are renovating our house as we go along, we have put new doors on the existing carcass of our kitchen, and they look great. One problem we have is the worktops, really out of date and naf looking. We can't afford to replace all the worktops yet, as the cooker fits into the corner of one of them and they we can't get the depth without ordering it, and it is going to cost quite a lot.... My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? If so, how was it? Does it still look ok, and is it a good idea. Obviously we realise that we would have to be careful with the surface with sharp objects etc .. but nothing can be as bad as it looks at the moment. There are some quite nice patterns available these days too :-) Many thanks in advance for your help. Regards Rachel We did ours 3 years ago and its still like new, we chose a nice green. The cupboards are white so it looked good and still does so for 28 pounds itsvwas a bargain. We used to do that in the 80's - it generally works really quite well. Shelves and also tarted up a small freezer that looked a bit sad. If you clean the surface with a good degreaser (sugar soap if it is greasy would work best) it should last for many years. Worktops last much longer though, and have a harder life. NT |
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"pollywolly" wrote in message roups.com... replying to Rachel, pollywolly wrote: rwallis wrote: Hi there, We are renovating our house as we go along, we have put new doors on the existing carcass of our kitchen, and they look great. One problem we have is the worktops, really out of date and naf looking. We can't afford to replace all the worktops yet, as the cooker fits into the corner of one of them and they we can't get the depth without ordering it, and it is going to cost quite a lot.... My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? If so, how was it? Does it still look ok, and is it a good idea. Obviously we realise that we would have to be careful with the surface with sharp objects etc .. but nothing can be as bad as it looks at the moment. There are some quite nice patterns available these days too :-) Many thanks in advance for your help. Regards Rachel Didn't know you could still get Fablon. I used it years ago, As you applied it, it stretched. Over time it then recovered leaving gaps. Seemed to stick OK on smooth surfaces |
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wrote in message ... On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 8:18:45 PM UTC, Tim Watts wrote: On 16/01/15 18:44, pollywolly wrote: replying to Rachel, pollywolly wrote: rwallis wrote: Hi there, We are renovating our house as we go along, we have put new doors on the existing carcass of our kitchen, and they look great. One problem we have is the worktops, really out of date and naf looking. We can't afford to replace all the worktops yet, as the cooker fits into the corner of one of them and they we can't get the depth without ordering it, and it is going to cost quite a lot.... My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? If so, how was it? Does it still look ok, and is it a good idea. Obviously we realise that we would have to be careful with the surface with sharp objects etc .. but nothing can be as bad as it looks at the moment. There are some quite nice patterns available these days too :-) Many thanks in advance for your help. Regards Rachel We did ours 3 years ago and its still like new, we chose a nice green. The cupboards are white so it looked good and still does so for 28 pounds itsvwas a bargain. We used to do that in the 80's - it generally works really quite well. Shelves and also tarted up a small freezer that looked a bit sad. If you clean the surface with a good degreaser (sugar soap if it is greasy would work best) it should last for many years. Worktops last much longer though, and have a harder life. Yes, it's very thin. Definitely not suitable for a wearing surface. |
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On 17/01/2015 07:56, harryagain wrote:
"pollywolly" wrote in message roups.com... replying to Rachel, pollywolly wrote: rwallis wrote: Hi there, We are renovating our house as we go along, we have put new doors on the existing carcass of our kitchen, and they look great. One problem we have is the worktops, really out of date and naf looking. We can't afford to replace all the worktops yet, as the cooker fits into the corner of one of them and they we can't get the depth without ordering it, and it is going to cost quite a lot.... My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? If so, how was it? Does it still look ok, and is it a good idea. Obviously we realise that we would have to be careful with the surface with sharp objects etc .. but nothing can be as bad as it looks at the moment. There are some quite nice patterns available these days too :-) Many thanks in advance for your help. Regards Rachel Didn't know you could still get Fablon. I used it years ago, As you applied it, it stretched. Over time it then recovered leaving gaps. Seemed to stick OK on smooth surfaces What do you think they wrap cars in when they do a custom wrap? Its the same stuff, you heat set it which fixes it so it doesn't shrink. You can watch them going around with a heat gun and IR thermometer if you know where they do it. |
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On Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:51:30 UTC, Rachel wrote:
My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? Fablon type sticky-back-plastic won't be anywhere near hard-wearing enough. Alternatives might be: linoleum http://www.svane.com/svane---uk/fors.../linoleum.aspx http://www.forbo.com/flooring/en-uk/...inoleum/bt4vgq http://www.tsbooker.co.uk/Worktops/L..._worktops.html tile over it with worktop tiles and waterproof grout surface over it with stainless steel If it's just the cooker area that is going to need expensive special worktop, you could cost up getting that done in steel by a fabricator and use cheap ordinary worktop for the rest. Cheap ordinary worktop is probably cheaper than anything else. You can also of course buy melamine laminate on its own and apply to the existing worktops, especially if you can de-assemble them rather than relaminating in situ. Owain |
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Car wrap really ain`t the same as the horrendous crap once available as Fablon.
Top end is 3M Di-Noc but there are a lot of alternatives: http://www.mdpsupplies.co.uk/vehiclewrapping.asp Great decorative finishes that take to wood just fine, your right in that they don`t shrink back, also air-release liners that mean less chasing the bubbles.. Decorative rather than wearing, how do you think cupboard fronts are done. Fridge wraps are becoming popular. |
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pollywolly wrote:
replying to Rachel, pollywolly wrote: rwallis wrote: Hi there, We are renovating our house as we go along, we have put new doors on the existing carcass of our kitchen, and they look great. One problem we have is the worktops, really out of date and naf looking. We can't afford to replace all the worktops yet, as the cooker fits into the corner of one of them and they we can't get the depth without ordering it, and it is going to cost quite a lot.... My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? If so, how was it? Does it still look ok, and is it a good idea. Obviously we realise that we would have to be careful with the surface with sharp objects etc .. but nothing can be as bad as it looks at the moment. There are some quite nice patterns available these days too :-) Many thanks in advance for your help. Regards Rachel We did ours 3 years ago and its still like new, we chose a nice green. The cupboards are white so it looked good and still does so for 28 pounds itsvwas a bargain. -- 11 years ago I bet Rachel would have been interested in your reply. Always worth checking the date of any message you're replying to on groups Google. Tim |
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On 17/01/2015 15:06, Tim+ wrote:
pollywolly wrote: replying to Rachel, pollywolly wrote: rwallis wrote: Hi there, We are renovating our house as we go along, we have put new doors on the existing carcass of our kitchen, and they look great. One problem we have is the worktops, really out of date and naf looking. We can't afford to replace all the worktops yet, as the cooker fits into the corner of one of them and they we can't get the depth without ordering it, and it is going to cost quite a lot.... My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? If so, how was it? Does it still look ok, and is it a good idea. Obviously we realise that we would have to be careful with the surface with sharp objects etc .. but nothing can be as bad as it looks at the moment. There are some quite nice patterns available these days too :-) Many thanks in advance for your help. Regards Rachel We did ours 3 years ago and its still like new, we chose a nice green. The cupboards are white so it looked good and still does so for 28 pounds itsvwas a bargain. -- 11 years ago I bet Rachel would have been interested in your reply. Always worth checking the date of any message you're replying to on groups Google. Tim Almost long enough for the answer to include Contact self-adhesive vinyl from Woolworths... :-) -- Rod |
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On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 12:31:27 PM UTC, wrote:
On Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:51:30 UTC, Rachel wrote: My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? Fablon type sticky-back-plastic won't be anywhere near hard-wearing enough. Alternatives might be: linoleum http://www.svane.com/svane---uk/fors.../linoleum.aspx http://www.forbo.com/flooring/en-uk/...inoleum/bt4vgq http://www.tsbooker.co.uk/Worktops/L..._worktops.html tile over it with worktop tiles and waterproof grout surface over it with stainless steel If it's just the cooker area that is going to need expensive special worktop, you could cost up getting that done in steel by a fabricator and use cheap ordinary worktop for the rest. Cheap ordinary worktop is probably cheaper than anything else. You can also of course buy melamine laminate on its own and apply to the existing worktops, especially if you can de-assemble them rather than relaminating in situ. Owain Surely lino is rapidly damaged by hot pans NT |
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On 17/01/2015 17:16, wrote:
On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 12:31:27 PM UTC, wrote: On Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:51:30 UTC, Rachel wrote: My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? Fablon type sticky-back-plastic won't be anywhere near hard-wearing enough. Alternatives might be: linoleum http://www.svane.com/svane---uk/fors.../linoleum.aspx http://www.forbo.com/flooring/en-uk/...inoleum/bt4vgq http://www.tsbooker.co.uk/Worktops/L..._worktops.html tile over it with worktop tiles and waterproof grout surface over it with stainless steel If it's just the cooker area that is going to need expensive special worktop, you could cost up getting that done in steel by a fabricator and use cheap ordinary worktop for the rest. Cheap ordinary worktop is probably cheaper than anything else. You can also of course buy melamine laminate on its own and apply to the existing worktops, especially if you can de-assemble them rather than relaminating in situ. Owain Surely lino is rapidly damaged by hot pans NT Melamine (e.g. Formica) is quite heat resistant (unlike genuine lino or the modern vinyl replacement). I havn't seen Formica for ages but it is (or used to be) a good fix for shelves, worktops, or work benches which see heavy duty. No good on modern style radiussed worktops though. |
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newshound writes On 17/01/2015 17:16, wrote: On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 12:31:27 PM UTC, wrote: On Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:51:30 UTC, Rachel wrote: My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? Fablon type sticky-back-plastic won't be anywhere near hard-wearing enough. Alternatives might be: linoleum http://www.svane.com/svane---uk/fors.../linoleum.aspx http://www.forbo.com/flooring/en-uk/...urniture-linol eum/bt4vgq http://www.tsbooker.co.uk/Worktops/L..._worktops.html tile over it with worktop tiles and waterproof grout surface over it with stainless steel If it's just the cooker area that is going to need expensive special worktop, you could cost up getting that done in steel by a fabricator and use cheap ordinary worktop for the rest. Cheap ordinary worktop is probably cheaper than anything else. You can also of course buy melamine laminate on its own and apply to the existing worktops, especially if you can de-assemble them rather than relaminating in situ. Owain Surely lino is rapidly damaged by hot pans NT Melamine (e.g. Formica) is quite heat resistant (unlike genuine lino or the modern vinyl replacement). I havn't seen Formica for ages but it is (or used to be) a good fix for shelves, worktops, or work benches which see heavy duty. No good on modern style radiussed worktops though. Formica is still around. apparently is was 100 years old in 2013 http://www.theguardian.com/artanddes...n-blog/2013/ja n/17/formica-turns-100 And I know the original post is ancient, but I'd probably just replace the worktops rather than bother covering them with formica -- Chris French |
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On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 8:38:49 PM UTC, newshound wrote:
On 17/01/2015 17:16, wrote: On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 12:31:27 PM UTC, wrote: On Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:51:30 UTC, Rachel wrote: My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? Fablon type sticky-back-plastic won't be anywhere near hard-wearing enough. Alternatives might be: linoleum http://www.svane.com/svane---uk/fors.../linoleum.aspx http://www.forbo.com/flooring/en-uk/...inoleum/bt4vgq http://www.tsbooker.co.uk/Worktops/L..._worktops.html tile over it with worktop tiles and waterproof grout surface over it with stainless steel If it's just the cooker area that is going to need expensive special worktop, you could cost up getting that done in steel by a fabricator and use cheap ordinary worktop for the rest. Cheap ordinary worktop is probably cheaper than anything else. You can also of course buy melamine laminate on its own and apply to the existing worktops, especially if you can de-assemble them rather than relaminating in situ. Owain Surely lino is rapidly damaged by hot pans NT Melamine (e.g. Formica) is quite heat resistant (unlike genuine lino or the modern vinyl replacement). I havn't seen Formica for ages but it is (or used to be) a good fix for shelves, worktops, or work benches which see heavy duty. No good on modern style radiussed worktops though. Melamine is NOT Formica |
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In article , fred
wrote: On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 8:38:49 PM UTC, newshound wrote: On 17/01/2015 17:16, wrote: On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 12:31:27 PM UTC, wrote: On Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:51:30 UTC, Rachel wrote: My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? Fablon type sticky-back-plastic won't be anywhere near hard-wearing enough. Alternatives might be: linoleum http://www.svane.com/svane---uk/fors.../linoleum.aspx http://www.forbo.com/flooring/en-uk/...inoleum/bt4vgq http://www.tsbooker.co.uk/Worktops/L..._worktops.html tile over it with worktop tiles and waterproof grout surface over it with stainless steel If it's just the cooker area that is going to need expensive special worktop, you could cost up getting that done in steel by a fabricator and use cheap ordinary worktop for the rest. Cheap ordinary worktop is probably cheaper than anything else. You can also of course buy melamine laminate on its own and apply to the existing worktops, especially if you can de-assemble them rather than relaminating in situ. Owain Surely lino is rapidly damaged by hot pans NT Melamine (e.g. Formica) is quite heat resistant (unlike genuine lino or the modern vinyl replacement). I havn't seen Formica for ages but it is (or used to be) a good fix for shelves, worktops, or work benches which see heavy duty. No good on modern style radiussed worktops though. Melamine is NOT Formica Formica is a trade name for a form of Melamine. -- From KT24 in Surrey Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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"fred" wrote in message ... On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 8:38:49 PM UTC, newshound wrote: On 17/01/2015 17:16, wrote: On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 12:31:27 PM UTC, wrote: On Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:51:30 UTC, Rachel wrote: My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? Fablon type sticky-back-plastic won't be anywhere near hard-wearing enough. Alternatives might be: linoleum http://www.svane.com/svane---uk/fors.../linoleum.aspx http://www.forbo.com/flooring/en-uk/...inoleum/bt4vgq http://www.tsbooker.co.uk/Worktops/L..._worktops.html tile over it with worktop tiles and waterproof grout surface over it with stainless steel If it's just the cooker area that is going to need expensive special worktop, you could cost up getting that done in steel by a fabricator and use cheap ordinary worktop for the rest. Cheap ordinary worktop is probably cheaper than anything else. You can also of course buy melamine laminate on its own and apply to the existing worktops, especially if you can de-assemble them rather than relaminating in situ. Owain Surely lino is rapidly damaged by hot pans NT Melamine (e.g. Formica) is quite heat resistant (unlike genuine lino or the modern vinyl replacement). I havn't seen Formica for ages but it is (or used to be) a good fix for shelves, worktops, or work benches which see heavy duty. No good on modern style radiussed worktops though. While Formica is still in business what probably did for it was the fact that they manufactured their decorative laminate sheets in so many different patterns and colours. Which may have been economical at some point but was hit by the rise of the modular kitchen manufacturers who made their own. So that their prices nowadays are a lot higher relative to other materials than was formerly the case as they mainly serve a niche market who are willing to pay high prices so as to be different from everybody else. They even do a range Younique allowing buyers to design their own. Melamine is NOT Formica It's been used for the surface veneer though, since 1938. When it was invented Formica used bakelite resin as a bonding agent and surface veneer using layers of fabric as a filler. From 1938 onwards it used melanine resin as a bonding agent and surface veneer, using kraft paper as a filler. Which presumably accounts for the brown colour. Melamine was chosen because of its heat, abrasion and moisture resistance and the same would apply to any material coated with melamine. michael adams .... |
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On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 12:03:09 PM UTC, michael adams wrote:
"fred" wrote in message ... On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 8:38:49 PM UTC, newshound wrote: On 17/01/2015 17:16, wrote: On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 12:31:27 PM UTC, wrote: On Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:51:30 UTC, Rachel wrote: My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? Fablon type sticky-back-plastic won't be anywhere near hard-wearing enough. Alternatives might be: linoleum http://www.svane.com/svane---uk/fors.../linoleum.aspx http://www.forbo.com/flooring/en-uk/...inoleum/bt4vgq http://www.tsbooker.co.uk/Worktops/L..._worktops.html tile over it with worktop tiles and waterproof grout surface over it with stainless steel If it's just the cooker area that is going to need expensive special worktop, you could cost up getting that done in steel by a fabricator and use cheap ordinary worktop for the rest. Cheap ordinary worktop is probably cheaper than anything else. You can also of course buy melamine laminate on its own and apply to the existing worktops, especially if you can de-assemble them rather than relaminating in situ. Owain Surely lino is rapidly damaged by hot pans NT Melamine (e.g. Formica) is quite heat resistant (unlike genuine lino or the modern vinyl replacement). I havn't seen Formica for ages but it is (or used to be) a good fix for shelves, worktops, or work benches which see heavy duty. No good on modern style radiussed worktops though. While Formica is still in business what probably did for it was the fact that they manufactured their decorative laminate sheets in so many different patterns and colours. Which may have been economical at some point but was hit by the rise of the modular kitchen manufacturers who made their own. So that their prices nowadays are a lot higher relative to other materials than was formerly the case as they mainly serve a niche market who are willing to pay high prices so as to be different from everybody else. They even do a range Younique allowing buyers to design their own. Melamine is NOT Formica It's been used for the surface veneer though, since 1938. When it was invented Formica used bakelite resin as a bonding agent and surface veneer using layers of fabric as a filler. From 1938 onwards it used melanine resin as a bonding agent and surface veneer, using kraft paper as a filler. Which presumably accounts for the brown colour. Melamine was chosen because of its heat, abrasion and moisture resistance and the same would apply to any material coated with melamine. michael adams ... My beef was that melamine veneers as generally applied to chipboard or mdf are literally paper thin as opposed to formica which is relatively thick The pattern on malamine will eventually wear away whereas Formica is pretty indestructible in normal use. High Pressure Laminate appears to be the new poster boy in this area |
Covering worktop with Fablon
"fred" wrote in message ... On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 12:03:09 PM UTC, michael adams wrote: "fred" wrote in message ... On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 8:38:49 PM UTC, newshound wrote: On 17/01/2015 17:16, wrote: On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 12:31:27 PM UTC, wrote: On Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:51:30 UTC, Rachel wrote: My question is : Has anyone had any experience of covering the existing worktops using FABLON ? Fablon type sticky-back-plastic won't be anywhere near hard-wearing enough. Alternatives might be: linoleum http://www.svane.com/svane---uk/fors.../linoleum.aspx http://www.forbo.com/flooring/en-uk/...inoleum/bt4vgq http://www.tsbooker.co.uk/Worktops/L..._worktops.html tile over it with worktop tiles and waterproof grout surface over it with stainless steel If it's just the cooker area that is going to need expensive special worktop, you could cost up getting that done in steel by a fabricator and use cheap ordinary worktop for the rest. Cheap ordinary worktop is probably cheaper than anything else. You can also of course buy melamine laminate on its own and apply to the existing worktops, especially if you can de-assemble them rather than relaminating in situ. Owain Surely lino is rapidly damaged by hot pans NT Melamine (e.g. Formica) is quite heat resistant (unlike genuine lino or the modern vinyl replacement). I havn't seen Formica for ages but it is (or used to be) a good fix for shelves, worktops, or work benches which see heavy duty. No good on modern style radiussed worktops though. While Formica is still in business what probably did for it was the fact that they manufactured their decorative laminate sheets in so many different patterns and colours. Which may have been economical at some point but was hit by the rise of the modular kitchen manufacturers who made their own. So that their prices nowadays are a lot higher relative to other materials than was formerly the case as they mainly serve a niche market who are willing to pay high prices so as to be different from everybody else. They even do a range Younique allowing buyers to design their own. Melamine is NOT Formica It's been used for the surface veneer though, since 1938. When it was invented Formica used bakelite resin as a bonding agent and surface veneer using layers of fabric as a filler. From 1938 onwards it used melanine resin as a bonding agent and surface veneer, using kraft paper as a filler. Which presumably accounts for the brown colour. Melamine was chosen because of its heat, abrasion and moisture resistance and the same would apply to any material coated with melamine. michael adams ... My beef was that melamine veneers as generally applied to chipboard or mdf are literally paper thin as opposed to formica which is relatively thick The pattern on malamine will eventually wear away whereas Formica is pretty indestructible in normal use. Indeed its galling to see perfectly serviceable*Formica laminate on tables etc being sent to landfill. All for the lack of a solvent to get it off cleanly and the problem of being stuck with the tables *Serviceable for workshop purposes at least. High Pressure Laminate appears to be the new poster boy in this area Nowadays most kitchens will probably go out of style before the laminate shows any signs of wear. Similarly I can't see that many granite worktops, being handed down from mother to daughter, down the generations. michael adams .... |
Covering worktop with Fablon
On 17/01/2015 21:01, Chris French wrote:
snip Formica is still around. apparently is was 100 years old in 2013 And it was originally intended to be a substitute for mica. NALOPKT Cheers -- Syd |
Covering worktop with Fablon
"Syd Rumpo" wrote in message ... On 17/01/2015 21:01, Chris French wrote: snip Formica is still around. apparently is was 100 years old in 2013 And it was originally intended to be a substitute for mica. NALOPKT So it's not made of crushed ants (Formicidae) then ? michael adams .... |
Covering worktop with Fablon
On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 12:58:21 PM UTC, michael adams wrote:
Nowadays most kitchens will probably go out of style before the laminate shows any signs of wear. Similarly I can't see So what. Keep it long enough & it'll come back in fashion. NT |
Covering worktop with Fablon
wrote in message ... On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 12:58:21 PM UTC, michael adams wrote: Nowadays most kitchens will probably go out of style before the laminate shows any signs of wear. Similarly I can't see So what. Keep it long enough & it'll come back in fashion. 25 years of constant earache, just so as to be proved right, all along ? michael adams .... |
Covering worktop with Fablon
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 12:41:21 AM UTC, michael adams wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 12:58:21 PM UTC, michael adams wrote: Nowadays most kitchens will probably go out of style before the laminate shows any signs of wear. Similarly I can't see So what. Keep it long enough & it'll come back in fashion. 25 years of constant earache, just so as to be proved right, all along ? 25? The last kitchen was over a century old. Fashion is meaningless. The exact same item is fashionable, then not, then fashionable, etc. Just a way to get people to throw out what they bought and buy again. Why choose to follow it. NT |
Covering worktop with Fablon
wrote in message ... On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 12:41:21 AM UTC, michael adams wrote: wrote in message ... On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 12:58:21 PM UTC, michael adams wrote: Nowadays most kitchens will probably go out of style before the laminate shows any signs of wear. Similarly I can't see So what. Keep it long enough & it'll come back in fashion. 25 years of constant earache, just so as to be proved right, all along ? 25? The last kitchen was over a century old. Fashion is meaningless. The exact same item is fashionable, then not, then fashionable, etc. Just a way to get people to throw out what they bought and buy again. Why choose to follow it. We do however see significant improvements on the technology available over that sort of time and it can be worth using. |
Covering worktop with Fablon
In message , michael adams
writes wrote in message ... On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 12:58:21 PM UTC, michael adams wrote: Nowadays most kitchens will probably go out of style before the laminate shows any signs of wear. Similarly I can't see So what. Keep it long enough & it'll come back in fashion. 25 years of constant earache, just so as to be proved right, all along ? 20 years and counting:-( The expectation appears to be that a sufficient application of money will neatly house all the kit that cannot be fitted into the existing space..... -- Tim Lamb |
Covering worktop with Fablon
On 21/01/2015 08:34, Tim Lamb wrote:
20 years and counting:-( The expectation appears to be that a sufficient application of money will neatly house all the kit that cannot be fitted into the existing space..... .... and free up enough space to acquire yet more kit. -- Mike Clarke |
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