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On 22/04/17 15:27, Tim Streater wrote:
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain why there would be tariffs.



The single market is a a tarriff-free zone


I sold a machine to a guy in Chile a few years ago.
There was no duty.

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Did European cars have bluetooth and sat nav at the same time Britain
was building the Allegro?

I wasn't driving then so I didn't realise.

I doubt my parents could have worked it though.
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I'm still waiting for the Remoaners to explain why they wish to be
governed by an unelected quango in Brussels, want lower wages for
British workers and want more immigration.


I'm still waiting for the brexiteers to explain why immigration will
change in a significant way.


I'm waiting for all those right wing Bexiteers to explain who's going to
pay these higher wages which they say will happen after we've left the EU.
Just were the money will come from. No more austerity?


From employers whose access to cheap migrant labour will be reduced. If
that means the price of a latte for well-to-do middle-class BBC
pensioners goes up, so be it. Think of it as income redistribution.

Or could it be they're merely using the first argument that comes out of
their arse? Without thinking it through - like so much else?

As regards immigration, the last few governments have all promised to
reduce it to a trickle, but failed. Even for the 50% or so which had
nothing to do with the EU.


At least we will be able to control those from the EU now.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
And tariffs on imports, even if we went WTO, would be under our
control. You seem to have bought into the lie that being WTO would
*automatically* mean tariffs.

Can you really see this country allowing in all imports with no tariffs
at all?


More ****-stirring and making things up, I see. Did I say anything
about "all imports"? No.


Back pedalling again?

From countries which will have imposed a tariff on our exports?


So if they impose tariffs, our tariffs would automatically spring into
life? You're just spouting more Remoaner bull****.


And you have simply no clue about how such things work in practice.


I'm still waiting for the Remoaners to explain why they wish to be
governed by an unelected quango in Brussels, want lower wages for British
workers and want more immigration.


Because they believe that the economy will do better inside the EU.

IMO they are just plain wrong about that, but thats why they want it.

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On 23/04/2017 09:29, Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
And tariffs on imports, even if we went WTO, would be under our
control. You seem to have bought into the lie that being WTO would
*automatically* mean tariffs.

Can you really see this country allowing in all imports with no
tariffs
at all?

More ****-stirring and making things up, I see. Did I say anything
about "all imports"? No.

Back pedalling again?

From countries which will have imposed a tariff on our exports?

So if they impose tariffs, our tariffs would automatically spring into
life? You're just spouting more Remoaner bull****.

And you have simply no clue about how such things work in practice.


I'm still waiting for the Remoaners to explain why they wish to be
governed by an unelected quango in Brussels, want lower wages for British
workers and want more immigration.


I'm still waiting for the brexiteers to explain why immigration will
change in a significant way.


Corse it will when Britain gets to decide
which EUians are free to move to Britain.

Why would they continue to let the dregs of Romania
and Poland show up in Britain ? Its not as if lots of
poms choose to move to Poland and Romania.

also why they think wages will go up


Even you should have noticed that, particularly with
minimum wage jobs like couriers and car washers
etc, that when there are lots more who can do that
work, no one will pay more than the minimum wage.

and why we wont still have to follow the EU directives to get CE on what
we want to export to the EU.


Sure, but that isnt the only export market for Britain.

and who is going to pay for all the extra red tape.


Those who buy what Britain flogs.



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On 23/04/2017 13:35, Tim Streater wrote:
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dennis@home wrote:

On 23/04/2017 09:29, Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
And tariffs on imports, even if we went WTO, would be under our
control. You seem to have bought into the lie that being WTO would
*automatically* mean tariffs.

Can you really see this country allowing in all imports with no
tariffs
at all?

More ****-stirring and making things up, I see. Did I say anything
about "all imports"? No.

Back pedalling again?

From countries which will have imposed a tariff on our exports?

So if they impose tariffs, our tariffs would automatically spring into
life? You're just spouting more Remoaner bull****.

And you have simply no clue about how such things work in practice.


I'm still waiting for the Remoaners to explain why they wish to
be governed by an unelected quango in Brussels, want lower wages for
British workers and want more immigration.


I'm still waiting for the brexiteers to explain why immigration will
change in a significant way.

also why they think wages will go up

and why we wont still have to follow the EU directives to get CE on
what we want to export to the EU.


Ah, Den reverting to being dim again.

Of course we'll have to comply with EU regs for the stuff we export to
the EU. Just as we do when we export stuff to, say, the US - we have to
follow US norms. But not for stuff we *don't* export, geddit?


So its OK to sell inferior stuff here at extra cost because its another
product to develop, document, stock, etc.

and you call me dim. I suppose its your way of trying to make out how
clever you are.


Perhaps you can explain why it's only taken you almost a year to
understand this simple point.


You clearly still haven't.
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On 23/04/2017 16:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/04/17 16:24, Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Of course we'll have to comply with EU regs for the stuff we export to
the EU. Just as we do when we export stuff to, say, the US - we have to
follow US norms. But not for stuff we *don't* export, geddit?


Right. So we can go back to fitting red green and black flex to
appliances


Why would we deliberately be different for no good reason?



Maybe you can explain it to dim tim and crapitall?

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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , TimW
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On 22/04/17 15:27, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , TimW
wrote:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9-A5RRXcAA0ea9.jpg

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why there would be tariffs.

The single market is a a tarriff-free zone

And tariffs on imports, even if we went WTO, would be under our
control. You seem to have bought into the lie that being WTO would
*automatically* mean tariffs.

Can you really see this country allowing in all imports with no tariffs
at
all?


More ****-stirring and making things up, I see. Did I say anything
about "all imports"? No.

From countries which will have imposed a tariff on our exports?


So if they impose tariffs, our tariffs would automatically spring into
life? You're just spouting more Remoaner bull****.


The problem with that line is there's more than one of "them"

We cannot remove tariffs from imports from the EU without also removing
tariffs from imports (of the same thing) from the USA or China (you can
replace remove with impose in that sentence to get the contra view)

How do we balance this trick if the EU wants to impose tariffs on us, but
the US doesn't? (for the purpose of the discussion, just pretend that
might happen)


Why can the EU selectively impose a tariff on stuff
from Britain, but Britain can't do what with the EU ?

You've had a massive brain fart.

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In article , tim...
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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , TimW
wrote:

On 22/04/17 15:27, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , TimW

wrote:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9-A5RRXcAA0ea9.jpg

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why there would be
tariffs.

The single market is a a tarriff-free zone

And tariffs on imports, even if we went WTO, would be under our
control. You seem to have bought into the lie that being WTO would
*automatically* mean tariffs.

Can you really see this country allowing in all imports with no tariffs
at
all?

More ****-stirring and making things up, I see. Did I say anything
about "all imports"? No.

From countries which will have imposed a tariff on our exports?

So if they impose tariffs, our tariffs would automatically spring into
life? You're just spouting more Remoaner bull****.


The problem with that line is there's more than one of "them"

We cannot remove tariffs from imports from the EU without also ...


There are no tariffs on stuff we import from the EU.


That's because we are in it.

There are also no tariff on stuff that we export to the EU.

Now.

but once we leave, we will have the EU External Tariff imposed on all our
exports to them, unless we enter into a trade deal with them. That's a
given. They aren't going to stop imposing tariffs on NZ lamb (as just one
example) because it means imposing tariffs on UK lamb.

What's our response to this situation? Play nice and not impose tariffs,
retaliate and impose them? Remembering that whatever we apply to the EU
we have to apply to ROW.


Just as true of the EU with with comes from Britain, so
they can't punish Britain for choosing to leave, Britain
gets the same deal everyone else outside the EU gets.

And even you should have noticed that all of the
USA, Canada, India, China, Australia, NZ, Japan etc
etc etc all do fine outside the EU. So will Britain.

And Britain has the added advantage that they make
Airbus wings and aircraft engines etc that Airbus
can't do without and cant start making themselves.

And buy lots of kraut and frog cars etc too.

(FTAOD, I am generally on your side of the argument, it is just on this
point that I disagree with you. Not because I disagree with your choice
on principle, but because I think you are trying to make a too simplistic
choice that is fundamentally impossible)



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On 22/04/17 15:37, TimW wrote:
On 22/04/17 15:27, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , TimW
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain why there would be tariffs.



The single market is a a tarriff-free zone


I sold a machine to a guy in Chile a few years ago.
There was no duty.

Of course the single market is NOT a tarriff free zone. Its a
protectionist walled garden for European manufacturers designed to prop
them and unproductive European Labour up, who can trade freely inside it
only. The rest of the world has to be charged import duty.


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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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In article , tim...
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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , TimW
wrote:

On 22/04/17 15:27, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , TimW

wrote:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9-A5RRXcAA0ea9.jpg

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why there would be
tariffs.

The single market is a a tarriff-free zone

And tariffs on imports, even if we went WTO, would be under our
control. You seem to have bought into the lie that being WTO would
*automatically* mean tariffs.

Can you really see this country allowing in all imports with no
tariffs at
all?

More ****-stirring and making things up, I see. Did I say anything
about "all imports"? No.

From countries which will have imposed a tariff on our exports?

So if they impose tariffs, our tariffs would automatically spring into
life? You're just spouting more Remoaner bull****.


The problem with that line is there's more than one of "them"

We cannot remove tariffs from imports from the EU without also ...

There are no tariffs on stuff we import from the EU.


That's because we are in it.

There are also no tariff on stuff that we export to the EU.

Now.

but once we leave, we will have the EU External Tariff imposed on all
our exports to them, unless we enter into a trade deal with them.
That's a given. They aren't going to stop imposing tariffs on NZ lamb
(as just one example) because it means imposing tariffs on UK lamb.

What's our response to this situation? Play nice and not impose
tariffs, retaliate and impose them? Remembering that whatever we apply
to the EU we have to apply to ROW.

(FTAOD, I am generally on your side of the argument, it is just on this
point that I disagree with you. Not because I disagree with your choice
on principle, but because I think you are trying to make a too
simplistic choice that is fundamentally impossible)


UK tariffs are down to the UK. We can apply any tariff we like within the
WTO rules to any cou7ntry we like.


Not selectively by country under the WTO rules.

So, tax EU lamb, but not New Zealand lamb.


Not possible under the WTO rules without some sort of trade agreement.

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UK tariffs are down to the UK. We can apply any tariff we like
within the WTO rules to any cou7ntry we like. So, tax EU lamb, but not
New Zealand lamb.


(a) There really isn't any EU lamb, We export most of ours.

(b) That is a de facto trade agreement with e.g. New Zealand.


No such animal under the WTO rules.

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tim... wrote:




UK tariffs are down to the UK. We can apply any tariff we like
within the WTO rules to any cou7ntry we like. So, tax EU lamb, but not
New Zealand lamb.


(a) There really isn't any EU lamb, We export most of ours.

(b) That is a de facto trade agreement with e.g. New Zealand.


No such animal under the WTO rules.


So what is a young sheep called?

Hoggit?


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On 23/04/2017 15:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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There are no tariffs on stuff we import from the EU.


Of course not. We are still in the EU. It's what the UK government does
after leaving that is the point.

If the EU slaps a tariff on say Jaguar after we've left, do you really
think the UK won't on BMW? (Just an example for those who can't think for
themselves)

car manufacturing is so intertwined these days that it would be very
difficult to put a tariff on anything to do with car manufacture,


Very few countys dont have tariffs to protect their car industry.

now sheep, that's different.


There is a tariff on gum boots, what you barbarians call wellys, in NZ, for
a reason.

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On 23/04/2017 13:35, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 23/04/2017 09:29, Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
And tariffs on imports, even if we went WTO, would be under our
control. You seem to have bought into the lie that being WTO would
*automatically* mean tariffs.

Can you really see this country allowing in all imports with no
tariffs
at all?

More ****-stirring and making things up, I see. Did I say anything
about "all imports"? No.

Back pedalling again?

From countries which will have imposed a tariff on our exports?

So if they impose tariffs, our tariffs would automatically spring
into
life? You're just spouting more Remoaner bull****.

And you have simply no clue about how such things work in practice.


I'm still waiting for the Remoaners to explain why they wish to
be governed by an unelected quango in Brussels, want lower wages for
British workers and want more immigration.

I'm still waiting for the brexiteers to explain why immigration will
change in a significant way.

also why they think wages will go up

and why we wont still have to follow the EU directives to get CE on
what we want to export to the EU.


Ah, Den reverting to being dim again.

Of course we'll have to comply with EU regs for the stuff we export to
the EU. Just as we do when we export stuff to, say, the US - we have to
follow US norms. But not for stuff we *don't* export, geddit?


So its OK to sell inferior stuff here at extra cost because its another
product to develop, document, stock, etc.

and you call me dim. I suppose its your way of trying to make out how
clever you are.


Perhaps you can explain why it's only taken you almost a year to
understand this simple point.


You clearly still haven't.


If you had ever been involved in British Standards, you would know that
we always try to sell cheap crap, just like the rest of the world.


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On 23/04/2017 13:35, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 23/04/2017 09:29, Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
And tariffs on imports, even if we went WTO, would be under our
control. You seem to have bought into the lie that being WTO would
*automatically* mean tariffs.

Can you really see this country allowing in all imports with no
tariffs
at all?

More ****-stirring and making things up, I see. Did I say anything
about "all imports"? No.

Back pedalling again?

From countries which will have imposed a tariff on our exports?

So if they impose tariffs, our tariffs would automatically spring
into
life? You're just spouting more Remoaner bull****.

And you have simply no clue about how such things work in practice.


I'm still waiting for the Remoaners to explain why they wish to be
governed by an unelected quango in Brussels, want lower wages for
British workers and want more immigration.

I'm still waiting for the brexiteers to explain why immigration will
change in a significant way.

also why they think wages will go up

and why we wont still have to follow the EU directives to get CE on what
we want to export to the EU.


Ah, Den reverting to being dim again.

Of course we'll have to comply with EU regs for the stuff we export to
the EU. Just as we do when we export stuff to, say, the US - we have to
follow US norms. But not for stuff we *don't* export, geddit?


So its OK to sell inferior stuff here


You havent established that it is inferior, particularly
when its a vacuum cleaner with a big enough motor in it.

at extra cost


No reason why it has to cost extra when its got a more
powerful motor in it instead of a much more complicated
arrangement to get enough capability out of a smaller one.

because its another product to develop, document, stock, etc.


Nope, just keep shipping what was shipped before the EU
applied their stupid ban on higher powered vacuum cleaners.

And sell a lot more of them coz they work much better too.

Same with insecticides, weedicide preservatives, paints etc etc etc.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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tim... wrote:



UK tariffs are down to the UK. We can apply any tariff we like
within the WTO rules to any cou7ntry we like. So, tax EU lamb, but not
New Zealand lamb.

(a) There really isn't any EU lamb, We export most of ours.

(b) That is a de facto trade agreement with e.g. New Zealand.


No such animal under the WTO rules.


So what is a young sheep called?


A lamb.

Hoggit?


Nope, thats a teenager sheep. And its hogget.

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Why is it inferior? And we already have to stock etc different models
of a product for each different market we sell into. Or do you imagine
that the Russell-Hobbs kettles we sell into the US [1] are the same as
the ones we might sell into the EU?

[1] And yes we do sell such, I bought one when I lived there.
Interestingly none of the Yanks I knew had heard of the concept of an
electric kettle that turned itself off when the water boiled.


I didn't think they had electric kettles of any sort in the US due to
their shortage of volts.

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I didn't think they had electric kettles of any sort in the US due to
their shortage of volts.


They do, but take forever and a day to boil on 110v outlets.

When I lived there, I took a UK kettle out with me and fitted a 220v
plug so I could use the socket provided for the range (cooker).

If you want to see what a mess American high-voltage, high current plug
and socket configurations are, have a giggle at this.

http://www.nooutage.com/nema_configurations.htm

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dennis@home wrote:

On 23/04/2017 13:35, Tim Streater wrote:


Ah, Den reverting to being dim again.

Of course we'll have to comply with EU regs for the stuff we export to
the EU. Just as we do when we export stuff to, say, the US - we have to
follow US norms. But not for stuff we *don't* export, geddit?


So its OK to sell inferior stuff here at extra cost because its
another product to develop, document, stock, etc.


Why is it inferior?


It must be to met your idea that it costs more to meet EU standards.
If it meets EU standards and isn't cheaper then why make it or are you
suggesting that we need tougher standards and that's why you want to
leave the EU? Of course you can exceed the minimum standards whether in
the EU or not.

And we already have to stock etc different models
of a product for each different market we sell into. Or do you imagine
that the Russell-Hobbs kettles we sell into the US [1] are the same as
the ones we might sell into the EU?


Which Russell Hobs kettles do you think we manufacture in the UK?

[1] And yes we do sell such, I bought one when I lived there.
Interestingly none of the Yanks I knew had heard of the concept of an
electric kettle that turned itself off when the water boiled.


Russell Hobs is just another brand applied to Chinese manufactured items
so we never stock the US one in a UK factory or even the UK ones or the
EU ones.

Are you struggling to think of something we actually make to use as your
example dim tim?


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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
There are no tariffs on stuff we import from the EU.


Of course not. We are still in the EU. It's what the UK government does
after leaving that is the point.

If the EU slaps a tariff on say Jaguar after we've left, do you really
think the UK won't on BMW? (Just an example for those who can't think
for themselves)


They might well. But in whose interest would that be?


You tell me. You are one of those who wanted to leave our free trade area.
And not having a trade agreement inevitably results in tariffs or duty etc.

Tell me Tim. Have you ever done a direct import from the US?

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difficult to put a tariff on anything to do with car manufacture


Be very easy. And likely put up the cost of a Jaguar in the UK since so
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I'm waiting for all those right wing Bexiteers to explain who's going
to pay these higher wages which they say will happen after we've left
the EU. Just were the money will come from. No more austerity?


From employers whose access to cheap migrant labour will be reduced. If
that means the price of a latte for well-to-do middle-class BBC
pensioners goes up, so be it. Think of it as income redistribution.


Ah - right. Just coffee in a high street outlet then?

Oddly, it was EU immigrants in the rust belt of the UK that came up most
often. Agricultural workers and so on. Then we have the care workers and
NHS etc. Heavily reliant on EU workers.

But thanks for confirming you have no clue at all about such things.

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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article om,
dennis@home wrote:


On 23/04/2017 16:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/04/17 16:24, Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Of course we'll have to comply with EU regs for the stuff we export to
the EU. Just as we do when we export stuff to, say, the US - we have to
follow US norms. But not for stuff we *don't* export, geddit?

Right. So we can go back to fitting red green and black flex to
appliances

Why would we deliberately be different for no good reason?


Maybe you can explain it to dim tim and crapitall?


We would if there was a reason, not otherwise. Just Our Dave
****-stirring again.


Very true. Anything that merely points out the nonsense of your arguments
is **** stirring.

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car manufacturing is so intertwined these days that it would be very
difficult to put a tariff on anything to do with car manufacture


Be very easy. And likely put up the cost of a Jaguar in the UK since so
much of it is imported.


Only temporarily until it is resourced. As Jaguar is Indian owned,
guess where the resourcing will come from! Like most consumer goods, the
selling price is more related to marketing costs than material costs.


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car manufacturing is so intertwined these days that it would be very
difficult to put a tariff on anything to do with car manufacture


Be very easy. And likely put up the cost of a Jaguar in the UK since so
much of it is imported.


How much, Mr. Know-it-all?

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:


In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
There are no tariffs on stuff we import from the EU.

Of course not. We are still in the EU. It's what the UK government does
after leaving that is the point.

If the EU slaps a tariff on say Jaguar after we've left, do you really
think the UK won't on BMW? (Just an example for those who can't think
for themselves)


They might well. But in whose interest would that be?


You tell me. You are one of those who wanted to leave our free trade area.
And not having a trade agreement inevitably results in tariffs or duty
etc.


No it doesn't.


On his planet it does.


Tell me Tim. Have you ever done a direct import from the US?


Yes. And I got charged duty and VAT.


Great Scott! And you lived to tell the tale?!

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On 24/04/2017 12:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article om,
dennis@home wrote:


On 23/04/2017 16:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/04/17 16:24, Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Of course we'll have to comply with EU regs for the stuff we export to
the EU. Just as we do when we export stuff to, say, the US - we have to
follow US norms. But not for stuff we *don't* export, geddit?

Right. So we can go back to fitting red green and black flex to
appliances

Why would we deliberately be different for no good reason?

Maybe you can explain it to dim tim and crapitall?


We would if there was a reason, not otherwise. Just Our Dave
****-stirring again.


Very true. Anything that merely points out the nonsense of your arguments
is **** stirring.


Well you are stirring their **** and they admit it.

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On 22/04/2017 17:44, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/04/2017 16:08, Max Demian wrote:
On 22/04/2017 14:58, TimW wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9-A5RRXcAA0ea9.jpg


They forgot to mention the Allegro's square steering wheel.

(Quiz question: Which 1970s car had an oval steering wheel?)


I don't know, the allegros one wasn't an oval so please tell?


The Ford Cortina 2000E.

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What ****ing rubbish that is.

Bill


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What ****ing rubbish that is.

Bill


Of course, but it is an insight into the Remoaner mind, such as it is.

They fully believe that ARM chips that power every mobile phone in the
world almost without exception, were designed in Germany.

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On 25/04/17 05:13, Bill Wright wrote:
On 22/04/2017 14:58, TimW wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9-A5RRXcAA0ea9.jpg


What ****ing rubbish that is.

Bill


Of course, but it is an insight into the Remoaner mind, such as it is.


They fully believe that ARM chips that power every mobile phone in the
world almost without exception, were designed in Germany.


mind you, one of the founders of Acorn was German.

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mind you, one of the founders of Acorn was German.


Austrian, actually.

Reading this thread, it appears that a lack of humour is a requirement
to be a Brexiteer.

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On 24/04/2017 12:46, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:


In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
There are no tariffs on stuff we import from the EU.

Of course not. We are still in the EU. It's what the UK government does
after leaving that is the point.

If the EU slaps a tariff on say Jaguar after we've left, do you really
think the UK won't on BMW? (Just an example for those who can't think
for themselves)


They might well. But in whose interest would that be?


You tell me. You are one of those who wanted to leave our free trade
area.
And not having a trade agreement inevitably results in tariffs or duty
etc.


No it doesn't.


You know you're being disingenuous/trolling there. Hypothetically,
you're right - an aggressive militarised superpower might not. But in
reality it will result in a cost, paid either as a duty, tariff, barter
or subscription.

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mind you, one of the founders of Acorn was German.


Austrian, actually.

Reading this thread, it appears that a lack of humour is a requirement
to be a Brexiteer.

On the contrary, one can only look upon remoaners with a kind of sad wry
humour.


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On 24/04/2017 12:46, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
There are no tariffs on stuff we import from the EU.

Of course not. We are still in the EU. It's what the UK government
does
after leaving that is the point.

If the EU slaps a tariff on say Jaguar after we've left, do you really
think the UK won't on BMW? (Just an example for those who can't think
for themselves)

They might well. But in whose interest would that be?

You tell me. You are one of those who wanted to leave our free trade
area.
And not having a trade agreement inevitably results in tariffs or duty
etc.


No it doesn't.


You know you're being disingenuous/trolling there.


No he isnt.

Hypothetically, you're right


And in the real world he is too.

- an aggressive militarised superpower might not.


And plenty of others dont either.

But in reality it will result in a cost, paid either as a duty, tariff,
barter or subscription.


We'll see...


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In article ,
RJH wrote:
On 24/04/2017 12:46, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
There are no tariffs on stuff we import from the EU.

Of course not. We are still in the EU. It's what the UK government does
after leaving that is the point.

If the EU slaps a tariff on say Jaguar after we've left, do you really
think the UK won't on BMW? (Just an example for those who can't think
for themselves)

They might well. But in whose interest would that be?

You tell me. You are one of those who wanted to leave our free trade
area.
And not having a trade agreement inevitably results in tariffs or duty
etc.


No it doesn't.


You know you're being disingenuous/trolling there. Hypothetically,
you're right - an aggressive militarised superpower might not. But in
reality it will result in a cost, paid either as a duty, tariff, barter
or subscription.


Sadly, it seems to be a standard Brexiteer response to any points brought
up about us leaving the EU. Basically non of the usual tariffs and duties
etc will apply. Such is their brave new world.

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In article ,
RJH wrote:
On 24/04/2017 12:46, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
There are no tariffs on stuff we import from the EU.

Of course not. We are still in the EU. It's what the UK government does
after leaving that is the point.

If the EU slaps a tariff on say Jaguar after we've left, do you really
think the UK won't on BMW? (Just an example for those who can't think
for themselves)

They might well. But in whose interest would that be?

You tell me. You are one of those who wanted to leave our free trade
area.
And not having a trade agreement inevitably results in tariffs or duty
etc.

No it doesn't.


You know you're being disingenuous/trolling there. Hypothetically,
you're right - an aggressive militarised superpower might not. But in
reality it will result in a cost, paid either as a duty, tariff, barter
or subscription.


Sadly, it seems to be a standard Brexiteer response to any points brought
up about us leaving the EU. Basically non of the usual tariffs and duties
etc will apply. Such is their brave new world.


Very few of the consumer goods I buy, do not have tariffs. What is
going to change? I would not be at all surprised if German designed cars
were sourced from China if the EU wants to play hardball. That will
please the German workers no end! The UK is known as treasure island by
the car makers because of it's uncompetitive market. Resourcing will
become common and exports will be more software than hardware in many
cases. It's called change and will be a good thing IMO.
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Sadly, it seems to be a standard Brexiteer response to any points
brought up about us leaving the EU. Basically non of the usual tariffs
and duties etc will apply.


More lies. There are no "usual tariffs and duties". Only the ones we
*choose* to apply.


Go on, then. Give us some real world examples.

Two developed countries with no trade agreement at all produce a similar
thing. Lets say wheat. And it can be freely traded either way.

I'm not really interested in your theoretical 'we don't have to apply a
tariff' arguments, since protecting home grown industry etc by tariffs is
as old as the hills

I'm interested in how Brexit will apply in practice. Perish the notion
that I don't want this country to go bankrupt. Which seems to be the
desire of some on here.

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On Tuesday, 25 April 2017 12:54:21 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Sadly, it seems to be a standard Brexiteer response to any points
brought up about us leaving the EU. Basically non of the usual tariffs
and duties etc will apply.


More lies. There are no "usual tariffs and duties". Only the ones we
*choose* to apply.


Go on, then. Give us some real world examples.


What happened with marmite that shot up in price as brexit was announced.


Two developed countries with no trade agreement at all produce a similar
thing. Lets say wheat. And it can be freely traded either way.

I'm not really interested in your theoretical 'we don't have to apply a
tariff' arguments, since protecting home grown industry etc by tariffs is
as old as the hills


Yes it was what the EU was doing so France didn't loose out agriculturally.



I'm interested in how Brexit will apply in practice.

It will be intresting but we've always assumjed whastever deal German negoitaotors have done has always been best for the EU.

I'm not sure whther the EU has to contribut to the UN nuclear program or not.

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