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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems, but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know 'me grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and own me own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right wing).

Then you need to get out more.


Why would a poor person not want handouts?


Even the Torys do handouts.


They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.

And working class
people arent necessarily poor people anyway.


That's what it means.

Adam certainly isnt.


Then he isn't working class.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?


I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.


And yet you don't vote Labour.


Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know 'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and own me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?


Even the Torys do handouts.


They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.


Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than Labour did.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.


That's what it means.


Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

Adam certainly isnt.


Then he isn't working class.


Corse an electrician is working class.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.


And yet you don't vote Labour.


Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.


It does anyway.

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In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like sheep. I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family have always
voted for Labour".


I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems, but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more important
than left/right politics.


So, the local government election results are exactly what I
predicted above for the general election result.

This is actually slightly surprising to me in the context of the
local elections. I had expected Labour and LibDems to do better
in the local elections than in the General Election, but given
they both failed to achieve even that, it doesn't bode well for
either of them in the General Election.

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In article , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher writes:
On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems, but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know 'me grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and own me own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

I see where you're coming from, but I tend to think of it slightly
differently. Prior to Thatcher, there was a large working class in
the UK. The 1980's saw phenominal growth and improvement in living
standards, and enabled a large number of working class to move into
the middle class, with the middle class outnumbering the working
class by 1990.

However, in spite of this, there wasn't a significant political
party for the middle class. They ended up voting for whichever left
or right party was nearer the centre, and they had become large
enough to carry the swing vote. It wasn't until Labour realised this
that they got back into power, and then served their longest term
ever.

For now, voting is pretty much all about Brexit, and might even
remain so for one more general election after Brexit. Even if
Labour moved back more towards centre, I don't think it will help
them at the moment, although it may do after Brexit.

You should also include the demise of the heavy industrial base of the
unions, coal mining, steel making, car manufacturing etc. The only
unions left with any power are in the public sector.

Unions do nobody any good, ever.

They do arseholes like Scargill a lot of good.


That's not what I meant.


You did say nobody.


Don't be so pedantic.

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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know 'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and own me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.


They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.


Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than Labour did.


It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation. Just enough to appease the chav masses.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.


That's what it means.


Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.


And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Adam certainly isnt.


Then he isn't working class.


Corse an electrician is working class.


There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working class. He runs his own business and owns three properties.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.


Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.


It does anyway.


Moreso with Labour.

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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know 'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and own me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.


They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.


Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than Labour did.


It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.


That's a lie with the most recent change.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.


They don't vote tory anyway.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.


That's what it means.


Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.


And that sort of work doesn't pay much.


Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.


Corse an electrician is working class.


There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.


Adam doesn't do that.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.


It does anyway.


Moreso with Labour.


Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.

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In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like sheep. I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family have always
voted for Labour".


I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems, but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more important
than left/right politics.


So, the local government election results are exactly what I
predicted above for the general election result.

This is actually slightly surprising to me in the context of the
local elections. I had expected Labour and LibDems to do better
in the local elections than in the General Election, but given
they both failed to achieve even that, it doesn't bode well for
either of them in the General Election.


Tory + UKIP : 43%, L:abour + LibDem : 45% (of electorate)

What mandate?
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In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like sheep. I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems, but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more important
than left/right politics.


So, the local government election results are exactly what I
predicted above for the general election result.

This is actually slightly surprising to me in the context of the
local elections. I had expected Labour and LibDems to do better
in the local elections than in the General Election, but given
they both failed to achieve even that, it doesn't bode well for
either of them in the General Election.


Tory + UKIP : 43%, L:abour + LibDem : 45% (of electorate)

What mandate?


You Diane Abbott's advisor?

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(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like sheep. I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family have always
voted for Labour".


I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems, but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more important
than left/right politics.


So, the local government election results are exactly what I
predicted above for the general election result.

This is actually slightly surprising to me in the context of the
local elections. I had expected Labour and LibDems to do better


LDs got 18% of the vote, far beyond their current national polling

that that did not result in more seats almost certainly can be attributed to
the collapse of UKIP votes all going to the Tories

Shire counties are not fertile territory for Labour. Whilst the result was
undoubtedly bad, I don't think it can be extrapolated to a GE quite that
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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know 'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and own me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than Labour did.


It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.


That's a lie with the most recent change.


That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up at all. And it's spread over several years.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.


They don't vote tory anyway.


Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory, but still care for their chav relations.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too? I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP, and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.


That's what it means.


Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.


And that sort of work doesn't pay much.


Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.


I'd call them middle class. The class is a label as to whether you're a poor chav, doing fairly well, or minted.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.


There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.


Adam doesn't do that.


Thought he was in charge of underlings? He must get well over minimum wage.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.


Moreso with Labour.


Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.


Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that spending.

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In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like sheep. I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family have always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems, but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more important
than left/right politics.


So, the local government election results are exactly what I
predicted above for the general election result.

This is actually slightly surprising to me in the context of the
local elections. I had expected Labour and LibDems to do better


LDs got 18% of the vote, far beyond their current national polling

that that did not result in more seats almost certainly can be attributed to


Lack of proportional representation.

the collapse of UKIP votes all going to the Tories

Shire counties are not fertile territory for Labour. Whilst the result was
undoubtedly bad, I don't think it can be extrapolated to a GE quite that
simply


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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know 'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.


That's a lie with the most recent change.


That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up at all.


That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.


It always is.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.


They don't vote tory anyway.


Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory, but still
care for their chav relations.


Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?


Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,


Yep, its only to toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.


But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.


That's what it means.


Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.


And that sort of work doesn't pay much.


Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.


I'd call them middle class.


More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

The class is a label as to whether you're a poor chav, doing fairly well,
or minted.


It isnt about how well you are paid.

Drill riggers, welders etc arent middle class unless
they work for themselves and most of them don't.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.


There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.


Adam doesn't do that.


Thought he was in charge of underlings?


Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.

He must get well over minimum wage.


Corse he does, but so does a hell of a lot of the
working class. In spades with the oil and gas
industry and mining etc.

Someone driving one of these
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/125/3...dd53122cd7.jpg
would leave you and adam for dead income
wise and would still be working class.

Same with someone operating something like this.
http://www.montgomerydesign.com/web_...oy_mining1.jpg

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.


Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.


Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that spending.


Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.

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In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like sheep. I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems, but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more important
than left/right politics.

So, the local government election results are exactly what I
predicted above for the general election result.

This is actually slightly surprising to me in the context of the
local elections. I had expected Labour and LibDems to do better


LDs got 18% of the vote, far beyond their current national polling

that that did not result in more seats almost certainly can be attributed
to


Lack of proportional representation.


LDs usually manage ok on this percentage of the vote as their vote is more
targeted towards winnable seats.

But it didn't seem to work that way this time



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(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like sheep. I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to Lib/Dems, but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more important
than left/right politics.

So, the local government election results are exactly what I
predicted above for the general election result.

This is actually slightly surprising to me in the context of the
local elections. I had expected Labour and LibDems to do better

LDs got 18% of the vote, far beyond their current national polling

that that did not result in more seats almost certainly can be attributed
to


Lack of proportional representation.


LDs usually manage ok on this percentage of the vote as their vote is more
targeted towards winnable seats.

But it didn't seem to work that way this time


I thought they were pretty much spread out, which is why the LDs are the ones in most favour of PR.


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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit, and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit - it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know 'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.

That's a lie with the most recent change.


That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up at all.


That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.


It always is.


It's negligible.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.


Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory, but still
care for their chav relations.


Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.


Cite.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?


Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.


Giving them more money will help.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,


Yep, its only to toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.


A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP, hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.


But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.


SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised this now. As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's ridiculous and has ****ed half of us off.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.


I'd call them middle class.


More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.


They make far more money than a dustman.

The class is a label as to whether you're a poor chav, doing fairly well,
or minted.


It isnt about how well you are paid.


Yes it is.

Drill riggers, welders etc arent middle class unless
they work for themselves and most of them don't.


Bull****. Middle class people do not have to run their own business.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.


Thought he was in charge of underlings?


Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.


Depends what he gets paid. If he's double the minimum wage I'd call him middle class.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.


Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that spending.


Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.


It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to fund it. The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to get rid of the debt the Labour government put us in.

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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my
family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit,
and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with
Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit -
it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the
right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know 'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right
wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.

That's a lie with the most recent change.

That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up at all.


That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.


It always is.


It's negligible.


Bull****.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory, but still
care for their chav relations.


Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.


Cite.


Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?


Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.


Giving them more money will help.


Nope, they don't bother to vote.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,


Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.


A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,


But those don't vote tory, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.


They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.


But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.


SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised this now.


Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.

As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's ridiculous
and has ****ed half of us off.


All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.


More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.


They make far more money than a dustman.


And are still working class anyway.

The class is a label as to whether you're a poor chav, doing fairly
well, or minted.


It isnt about how well you are paid.


Yes it is.


Nope. Someone who was married to say a manager,
doctor etc, whose spouse completely ****ed up their
investments and lost the lot in the 2008 implosion
of much of the world financial system, doesn't turn
into a working person when they have **** all
money to live on. They are still middle class,

Drill riggers, welders etc arent middle class unless
they work for themselves and most of them don't.


Bull****.


Fact.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.


Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.


Thought he was in charge of underlings?


Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.


Depends what he gets paid.


Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.

If he's double the minimum wage I'd call him middle class.


Yes, you are that pig ignorant.

Plenty of small shopkeepers don't earn much, but they
are still middle class even when they earn a lot less than
the best paid of the working class like someone who drives
a haulpak in the mining industry etc.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that
spending.


Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.


It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to fund it.


Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to get rid of
the debt the Labour government put us in.


Mindlessly simplistic.

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In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my
family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit,
and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with
Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit -
it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the
right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know 'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right
wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.

That's a lie with the most recent change.

That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up at all.

That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.

It always is.


It's negligible.


Bull****.


State how much you think it's risen. It's only a quid or two.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory, but still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.


Cite.


Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'


They are evenly scattered, therefore there are no such stats.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.


Giving them more money will help.


Nope, they don't bother to vote.


They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.


A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,


But those don't vote tory, you watch.


Nobody else to vote for.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.


They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.


Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.


SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised this now.


Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.


Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?

As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's ridiculous
and has ****ed half of us off.


All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.


Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it. Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.


They make far more money than a dustman.


And are still working class anyway.


Money is what decides your class.

The class is a label as to whether you're a poor chav, doing fairly
well, or minted.

It isnt about how well you are paid.


Yes it is.


Nope. Someone who was married to say a manager,
doctor etc, whose spouse completely ****ed up their
investments and lost the lot in the 2008 implosion
of much of the world financial system, doesn't turn
into a working person when they have **** all
money to live on. They are still middle class,


Money is what decides your class.

Drill riggers, welders etc arent middle class unless
they work for themselves and most of them don't.


Bull****.


Fact.


Money is what decides your class.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.


Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.


Correct.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.


Depends what he gets paid.


Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.


If they get more money, they become snobbier.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.


It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to fund it.


Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.


Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix it.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to get rid of
the debt the Labour government put us in.


Mindlessly simplistic.


But true.

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No they are not.


Yes they are. That's what capitalists do. It's one of the reasons I vote for them. Why do you think people are up in arms and signing petitions to stop the cutbacks?

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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE
like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my
family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit,
and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with
Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit -
it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will
be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour
and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be
the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the
right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back
a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as
more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know
'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and
own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right
wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.

That's a lie with the most recent change.

That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up at
all.

That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.

It always is.

It's negligible.


Bull****.


State how much you think it's risen. It's only a quid or two.


Still a lot more than Labour did.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory, but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.


Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'


They are evenly scattered,


Like hell they are.

therefore there are no such stats.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.


Nope, they don't bother to vote.


They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.


They don't bother to vote.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,


But those don't vote tory, you watch.


Nobody else to vote for.


They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.


They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.


Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.


Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to leave the EU.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised this
now.


Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.


Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?


Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.

As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's ridiculous
and has ****ed half of us off.


All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.


Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it.


I meant that May wont be having a second referendum now.

Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.


I don't they care what you do.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

They make far more money than a dustman.


And are still working class anyway.


Money is what decides your class.


Wrong.

The class is a label as to whether you're a poor chav, doing fairly
well, or minted.

It isnt about how well you are paid.

Yes it is.


Nope. Someone who was married to say a manager,
doctor etc, whose spouse completely ****ed up their
investments and lost the lot in the 2008 implosion
of much of the world financial system, doesn't turn
into a working person when they have **** all
money to live on. They are still middle class,


Money is what decides your class.


Wrong.

Drill riggers, welders etc arent middle class unless
they work for themselves and most of them don't.


Bull****.


Fact.


Money is what decides your class.


Wrong.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.


Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.


Correct.


So money doesn't decide your class.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.


Depends what he gets paid.


Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.


If they get more money, they become snobbier.


Nope. They stay chavs.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.

It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to fund it.


Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.


Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix it.


And they cant fix it by getting more money out of you.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to get rid
of
the debt the Labour government put us in.


Mindlessly simplistic.


But true.


Nope.



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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE
like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my
family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons, Brexit,
and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with
Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on Brexit -
it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP will
be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour
and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be
the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the
right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move back
a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as
more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know
'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and
own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right
wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.

That's a lie with the most recent change.

That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up at
all.

That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.

It always is.

It's negligible.

Bull****.


State how much you think it's risen. It's only a quid or two.


Still a lot more than Labour did.


Labour are stupid.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory, but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.

Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'


They are evenly scattered,


Like hell they are.


I've looked on the internet, they are everywhere. Prove otherwise.

therefore there are no such stats.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.

Nope, they don't bother to vote.


They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.


They don't bother to vote.


Prove it.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,

But those don't vote tory, you watch.


Nobody else to vote for.


They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.


Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.


Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to leave the EU.


Scots aren't that bright. They can't even talk properly.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised this
now.

Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.


Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?


Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.


Scots are so stupid as to vote for anyone who claims to make Scotland more important than the UK. Patriotic idiots....

As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's ridiculous
and has ****ed half of us off.

All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.


Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it.


I meant that May wont be having a second referendum now.


If Scotland gets independance, we might try to rejoin.

Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.


I don't they care what you do.


And I thought you loved me.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

They make far more money than a dustman.

And are still working class anyway.


Money is what decides your class.


Wrong.


Nobody agrees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.

Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.


Correct.


So money doesn't decide your class.


Those people you listed have a medium amount of money.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.

Depends what he gets paid.

Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.


If they get more money, they become snobbier.


Nope. They stay chavs.


Money corrupts.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.

It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to fund it.

Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.


Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix it.


And they cant fix it by getting more money out of you.


They fix it by stopping wasting money on things like te NHS and child benefits. They've just stopped child benefits for more than two kids.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to get rid
of the debt the Labour government put us in.

Mindlessly simplistic.


But true.


Nope.


Prove it.

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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE
like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my
family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot
of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned
the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons,
Brexit,
and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with
Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need
to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on
Brexit -
it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives
have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP
will
be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour
and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be
the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the
right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move
back
a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as
more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the
white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know
'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and
own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right
wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than
Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.

That's a lie with the most recent change.

That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up at
all.

That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.

It always is.

It's negligible.

Bull****.

State how much you think it's risen. It's only a quid or two.


Still a lot more than Labour did.


Labour are stupid.


All politicians are stupid.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory, but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.

Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'

They are evenly scattered,


Like hell they are.


I've looked on the internet, they are everywhere.


But not EVENLY SCATTERED.

Prove otherwise.


Look at the census data.

therefore there are no such stats.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.

Nope, they don't bother to vote.

They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.


They don't bother to vote.


Prove it.


Look at the percentage who bother to vote.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,

But those don't vote tory, you watch.

Nobody else to vote for.


They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.

Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.


Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to leave the EU.


Scots aren't that bright. They can't even talk properly.


And didn't even manage to invent pants, or underware.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised this
now.

Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.

Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?


Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.


Scots are so stupid as to vote for anyone who claims to make Scotland more
important than the UK. Patriotic idiots....


They did get a lot more out of the english that way.

But never did work out how to stop
the english stealing their oil and gas.

As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's
ridiculous and has ****ed half of us off.

All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.

Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it.


I meant that May wont be having a second referendum now.


If Scotland gets independance, we might try to rejoin.


No may about it, sure to do that, and will succeed in joining too.

Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.


I don't they care what you do.


And I thought you loved me.


Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic fantasys.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

They make far more money than a dustman.

And are still working class anyway.

Money is what decides your class.


Wrong.


Nobody agrees:


Another lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class


Doesn't say anything like your ****.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.

Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.

Correct.


So money doesn't decide your class.


Those people you listed have a medium amount of money.


Not those that end up with **** all because their ****ed up
their investments. They are still middle class with **** all money.

And a chav that wins the lotto doesn't become middle class,
they are still chavs with lots of money, for a while.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.

Depends what he gets paid.

Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.

If they get more money, they become snobbier.


Nope. They stay chavs.


Money corrupts.


Hasn't corrupted me.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.

It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to fund
it.

Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.


Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix it.


And they cant fix it by getting more money out of you.


They fix it by stopping wasting money on things like te NHS and child
benefits.


Not possible, they'd be out of a job if
they were stupid enough to do that.

They've just stopped child benefits for more than two kids.


And so they should. Completely stupid to be taxing everyone,
pumping that money thru the system and then straight back to
the same people the money was collected from in the first place.

There shouldn't be any child benefits for anyone
except those whose kids would starve without it.

And it shouldn't be possible to spend the benefits
on grog and cigarettes and gambling etc, just on
what those kids eat and clothes for them to wear etc.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to get
rid
of the debt the Labour government put us in.

Mindlessly simplistic.

But true.


Nope.


Prove it.


No need, its obvious.

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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters ARE
like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my
family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot
of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned
the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons,
Brexit,
and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with
Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need
to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on
Brexit -
it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives
have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP
will
be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from Labour
and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will be
the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to the
right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move
back
a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as
more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the
white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you know
'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb, and
own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory (right
wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than
Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.

That's a lie with the most recent change.

That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up at
all.

That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.

It always is.

It's negligible.

Bull****.

State how much you think it's risen. It's only a quid or two.

Still a lot more than Labour did.


Labour are stupid.


All politicians are stupid.


Yes, which is why there should be a place to vote for "none" on the ballot papers.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory, but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.

Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'

They are evenly scattered,

Like hell they are.


I've looked on the internet, they are everywhere.


But not EVENLY SCATTERED.


Pretty much so.

Prove otherwise.


Look at the census data.


Gimme a link.

therefore there are no such stats.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.

Nope, they don't bother to vote.

They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.

They don't bother to vote.


Prove it.


Look at the percentage who bother to vote.


2/3rds isn't it?

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,

But those don't vote tory, you watch.

Nobody else to vote for.

They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.

Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.

Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to leave the EU.


Scots aren't that bright. They can't even talk properly.


And didn't even manage to invent pants, or underware.


Underwear is pointless unless you have some kind of problem of being really smelly.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised this
now.

Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.

Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?

Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.


Scots are so stupid as to vote for anyone who claims to make Scotland more
important than the UK. Patriotic idiots....


They did get a lot more out of the english that way.


Yip, the English are quite gullible.

But never did work out how to stop
the english stealing their oil and gas.


Most comes from the Arabs anyway now.

As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's
ridiculous and has ****ed half of us off.

All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.

Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it.

I meant that May wont be having a second referendum now.


If Scotland gets independance, we might try to rejoin.


No may about it, sure to do that, and will succeed in joining too.


I doubt the EU will let us, and I hope they don't.

Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.

I don't they care what you do.


And I thought you loved me.


Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic fantasys.


Aren't I the only person who replies to your posts?

And working class people arent necessarily poor people anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

They make far more money than a dustman.

And are still working class anyway.

Money is what decides your class.

Wrong.


Nobody agrees:


Another lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class


Doesn't say anything like your ****.


Everybody knows that class is based on income. Snobs have huge mansions and speak like the Queen. Chavs live on benefits and live in council flats.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.

Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.

Correct.

So money doesn't decide your class.


Those people you listed have a medium amount of money.


Not those that end up with **** all because their ****ed up
their investments. They are still middle class with **** all money.


They become lower class when they live in a council flat.

And a chav that wins the lotto doesn't become middle class,
they are still chavs with lots of money, for a while.


Depends if they keep the money.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.

Depends what he gets paid.

Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.

If they get more money, they become snobbier.

Nope. They stay chavs.


Money corrupts.


Hasn't corrupted me.


What are your total assets?

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.

It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to fund
it.

Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.

Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix it.

And they cant fix it by getting more money out of you.


They fix it by stopping wasting money on things like te NHS and child
benefits.


Not possible, they'd be out of a job if
they were stupid enough to do that.


Lots of voters would love to pay way less taxes.

They've just stopped child benefits for more than two kids.


And so they should. Completely stupid to be taxing everyone,
pumping that money thru the system and then straight back to
the same people the money was collected from in the first place.

There shouldn't be any child benefits for anyone
except those whose kids would starve without it.

And it shouldn't be possible to spend the benefits
on grog and cigarettes and gambling etc, just on
what those kids eat and clothes for them to wear etc.


Should be no benefits at all.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to get
rid of the debt the Labour government put us in.

Mindlessly simplistic.

But true.

Nope.


Prove it.


No need, its obvious.


It's obvious you're wrong.

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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters
ARE
like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my
family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot
of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned
the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons,
Brexit,
and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with
Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need
to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on
Brexit -
it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives
have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of
Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP
will
be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from
Labour
and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will
be
the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to
the
right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move
back
a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as
more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the
white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher
really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you
know
'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb,
and
own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory
(right
wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away
with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than
Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.

That's a lie with the most recent change.

That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up
at
all.

That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.

It always is.

It's negligible.

Bull****.

State how much you think it's risen. It's only a quid or two.

Still a lot more than Labour did.

Labour are stupid.


All politicians are stupid.


Yes, which is why there should be a place to vote for "none" on the ballot
papers.


No point in farting around with a ballot paper, just don't vote.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory, but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.

Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'

They are evenly scattered,

Like hell they are.

I've looked on the internet, they are everywhere.


But not EVENLY SCATTERED.


Pretty much so.


Nothing even remotely.

Prove otherwise.


Look at the census data.


Gimme a link.


Even you should be able to find that yourself.

therefore there are no such stats.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.

Nope, they don't bother to vote.

They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.

They don't bother to vote.

Prove it.


Look at the percentage who bother to vote.


2/3rds isn't it?


Varys with what is going on politically.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,

But those don't vote tory, you watch.

Nobody else to vote for.

They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.

Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.

Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to leave the
EU.

Scots aren't that bright. They can't even talk properly.


And didn't even manage to invent pants, or underware.


Underwear is pointless unless you have some kind of problem of being
really smelly.


You run the same stupid line about clothes.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised this
now.

Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.

Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?

Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.

Scots are so stupid as to vote for anyone who claims to make Scotland
more
important than the UK. Patriotic idiots....


They did get a lot more out of the english that way.


Yip, the English are quite gullible.


Not gullible so much as that they didn't want Scotland to leave.

Too stupid to do what the Romans did, have a wall to keep them out.

Even that fool Trump worked that one out.

But never did work out how to stop
the english stealing their oil and gas.


Most comes from the Arabs anyway now.


Not the gas it doesn't.

As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's
ridiculous and has ****ed half of us off.

All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.

Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it.

I meant that May wont be having a second referendum now.


If Scotland gets independance, we might try to rejoin.


No might about it, sure to do that, and will succeed in joining too.


I doubt the EU will let us,


Corse they will when they let the dregs like Romania and Poland join.

and I hope they don't.


They will anyway, you watch.

Essentially because they stupidly think that proves
that the EU is a good thing, lots want to sign up.

Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.

I don't they care what you do.

And I thought you loved me.


Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic fantasys.


Aren't I the only person who replies to your posts?


Nope. You're actually in a minority.

And only Dave the sot and me reply to yours.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people
anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

They make far more money than a dustman.

And are still working class anyway.

Money is what decides your class.

Wrong.

Nobody agrees:


Another lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class


Doesn't say anything like your ****.


Everybody knows that class is based on income.


Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

Snobs have huge mansions and speak like the Queen. Chavs live on benefits
and live in council flats.


And a chav that wins lotto etc is still a chav.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.

Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.

Correct.

So money doesn't decide your class.

Those people you listed have a medium amount of money.


Not those that end up with **** all because their ****ed up
their investments. They are still middle class with **** all money.


They become lower class when they live in a council flat.


Nope. And they don't live in council flats anyway.

And a chav that wins the lotto doesn't become middle class,
they are still chavs with lots of money, for a while.


Depends if they keep the money.


Nope, they are still chavs.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.

Depends what he gets paid.

Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.

If they get more money, they become snobbier.

Nope. They stay chavs.

Money corrupts.


Hasn't corrupted me.


What are your total assets?


Leaves yours for dead. I'm rolling in it.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.

It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to fund
it.

Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.

Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix it.

And they cant fix it by getting more money out of you.

They fix it by stopping wasting money on things like te NHS and child
benefits.


Not possible, they'd be out of a job if
they were stupid enough to do that.


Lots of voters would love to pay way less taxes.


Sure, but any polly actually stupid enough to wind up
the NHS and child benefits now would be out of a job so
fast that its feet wouldn't even touch the ****ing ground.

They've just stopped child benefits for more than two kids.


And so they should. Completely stupid to be taxing everyone,
pumping that money thru the system and then straight back to
the same people the money was collected from in the first place.

There shouldn't be any child benefits for anyone
except those whose kids would starve without it.

And it shouldn't be possible to spend the benefits
on grog and cigarettes and gambling etc, just on
what those kids eat and clothes for them to wear etc.


Should be no benefits at all.


Most of the voters don't like seeing dead little kids in the gutter.

But then they arent psychopaths like you.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to get
rid of the debt the Labour government put us in.

Mindlessly simplistic.

But true.

Nope.

Prove it.


No need, its obvious.


It's obvious you're wrong.


Whatever.



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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters
ARE
like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all my
family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a lot
of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have abandoned
the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons,
Brexit,
and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular with
Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they need
to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on
Brexit -
it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the Conservatives
have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of
Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP
will
be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from
Labour
and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will
be
the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to
the
right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move
back
a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit as
more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the
white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher
really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you
know
'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb,
and
own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory
(right
wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away
with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than
Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.

That's a lie with the most recent change.

That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up
at
all.

That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.

It always is.

It's negligible.

Bull****.

State how much you think it's risen. It's only a quid or two.

Still a lot more than Labour did.

Labour are stupid.

All politicians are stupid.


Yes, which is why there should be a place to vote for "none" on the ballot
papers.


No point in farting around with a ballot paper, just don't vote.


That supplies no information, and they simply act on the results from those who do vote. If we had a "none" entry, then there would be the possibility of no arsehole controlling us. What's wrong with freedom? Why should we have anyone in charge?

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory, but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.

Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'

They are evenly scattered,

Like hell they are.

I've looked on the internet, they are everywhere.

But not EVENLY SCATTERED.


Pretty much so.


Nothing even remotely.


Cite.

Prove otherwise.

Look at the census data.


Gimme a link.


Even you should be able to find that yourself.


Have done in the past and there are chavs everywhere.

therefore there are no such stats.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.

Nope, they don't bother to vote.

They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.

They don't bother to vote.

Prove it.

Look at the percentage who bother to vote.


2/3rds isn't it?


Varys with what is going on politically.


Not by much. The same third are to lazy to vote.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,

But those don't vote tory, you watch.

Nobody else to vote for.

They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.

Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.

Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to leave the
EU.

Scots aren't that bright. They can't even talk properly.

And didn't even manage to invent pants, or underware.


Underwear is pointless unless you have some kind of problem of being
really smelly.


You run the same stupid line about clothes.


Different reason. Clothes are not needed in warm blooded mammals.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised this
now.

Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.

Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?

Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.

Scots are so stupid as to vote for anyone who claims to make Scotland
more
important than the UK. Patriotic idiots....

They did get a lot more out of the english that way.


Yip, the English are quite gullible.


Not gullible so much as that they didn't want Scotland to leave.


That;'s because they're stupid. They would have ended up losing a drain on their money.

Too stupid to do what the Romans did, have a wall to keep them out.

Even that fool Trump worked that one out.


Trump is not a fool.

But never did work out how to stop
the english stealing their oil and gas.


Most comes from the Arabs anyway now.


Not the gas it doesn't.


Says who?

As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's
ridiculous and has ****ed half of us off.

All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.

Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it.

I meant that May wont be having a second referendum now.

If Scotland gets independance, we might try to rejoin.

No might about it, sure to do that, and will succeed in joining too.


I doubt the EU will let us,


Corse they will when they let the dregs like Romania and Poland join.


The EU will disappear in it's entirety soon anyway. Plenty countries are telling it to **** off. It's a silly little failure of a club.

Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.

I don't they care what you do.

And I thought you loved me.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic fantasys.


Aren't I the only person who replies to your posts?


Nope. You're actually in a minority.


That's what I just said, most people have you killfiled.

And only Dave the sot and me reply to yours.


Funny how I can't keep up with replies to me.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people
anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

They make far more money than a dustman.

And are still working class anyway.

Money is what decides your class.

Wrong.

Nobody agrees:

Another lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class

Doesn't say anything like your ****.


Everybody knows that class is based on income.


Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.


What's wrong with it?

Snobs have huge mansions and speak like the Queen. Chavs live on benefits
and live in council flats.


And a chav that wins lotto etc is still a chav.


No, they get snobby and bigheaded.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.

Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.

Correct.

So money doesn't decide your class.

Those people you listed have a medium amount of money.

Not those that end up with **** all because their ****ed up
their investments. They are still middle class with **** all money.


They become lower class when they live in a council flat.


Nope. And they don't live in council flats anyway.


If you have **** all, where else would you live?

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.

Depends what he gets paid.

Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.

If they get more money, they become snobbier.

Nope. They stay chavs.

Money corrupts.

Hasn't corrupted me.


What are your total assets?


Leaves yours for dead. I'm rolling in it.


I see, so you won't admit the number.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.

It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to fund
it.

Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.

Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix it.

And they cant fix it by getting more money out of you.

They fix it by stopping wasting money on things like te NHS and child
benefits.

Not possible, they'd be out of a job if
they were stupid enough to do that.


Lots of voters would love to pay way less taxes.


Sure, but any polly actually stupid enough to wind up
the NHS and child benefits now would be out of a job so
fast that its feet wouldn't even touch the ****ing ground.


********. Loads would vote for such a change. Remove the drain on our money.

They've just stopped child benefits for more than two kids.

And so they should. Completely stupid to be taxing everyone,
pumping that money thru the system and then straight back to
the same people the money was collected from in the first place.

There shouldn't be any child benefits for anyone
except those whose kids would starve without it.

And it shouldn't be possible to spend the benefits
on grog and cigarettes and gambling etc, just on
what those kids eat and clothes for them to wear etc.


Should be no benefits at all.


Most of the voters don't like seeing dead little kids in the gutter.


Most of the voters don't care for chavs breeding 10 kids each.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to get
rid of the debt the Labour government put us in.

Mindlessly simplistic.

But true.

Nope.

Prove it.

No need, its obvious.


It's obvious you're wrong.


Whatever.


Try some research.

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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters
ARE
like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all
my
family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a
lot
of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have
abandoned
the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons,
Brexit,
and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular
with
Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they
need
to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on
Brexit -
it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the
Conservatives
have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of
Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP
will
be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers
to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from
Labour
and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will
be
the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to
the
right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move
back
a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit
as
more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the
white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher
really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you
know
'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb,
and
own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory
(right
wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away
with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than
Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.

That's a lie with the most recent change.

That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up
at
all.

That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.

It always is.

It's negligible.

Bull****.

State how much you think it's risen. It's only a quid or two.

Still a lot more than Labour did.

Labour are stupid.

All politicians are stupid.

Yes, which is why there should be a place to vote for "none" on the
ballot
papers.


No point in farting around with a ballot paper, just don't vote.


That supplies no information,


It supplys the information that you arent interest in voting.

and they simply act on the results from those who do vote.


They would do that even if there was a
place to vote none on the ballot paper.

If we had a "none" entry, then there would be the possibility of no
arsehole controlling us.


Nope, because even you should have noticed that no
polly would ever be stupid enough to have a system
where, if there were enough none votes in a particular
seat, that seat would remain without a member.

And pollys don't control us, we decide if they
get the bums rush at the ballot box or not.

What's wrong with freedom? Why should we have anyone in charge?


No one is in charge.

Govts don't control a damned thing.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory,
but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.

Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'

They are evenly scattered,

Like hell they are.

I've looked on the internet, they are everywhere.

But not EVENLY SCATTERED.

Pretty much so.


Nothing even remotely.


Cite.


The census.

Prove otherwise.

Look at the census data.

Gimme a link.


Even you should be able to find that yourself.


Have done in the past and there are chavs everywhere.


But nothing even remotely like EVENLY SCATTERED.

Even you should have noticed that there are a
lot more in the council estates or the worst of
the Glasgow slums than around Buck House etc.

therefore there are no such stats.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.

Nope, they don't bother to vote.

They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.

They don't bother to vote.

Prove it.

Look at the percentage who bother to vote.

2/3rds isn't it?


Varys with what is going on politically.


Not by much.


By a hell of a lot actually.

The same third are to lazy to vote.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

They have no interest in politics and realise that
who gets elected is almost completely irrelevant.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,

But those don't vote tory, you watch.

Nobody else to vote for.

They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.

Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.

Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to leave the
EU.

Scots aren't that bright. They can't even talk properly.

And didn't even manage to invent pants, or underware.


Underwear is pointless unless you have some kind of problem of being
really smelly.


You run the same stupid line about clothes.


Different reason. Clothes are not needed in warm blooded mammals.


You wouldn't last long in the artic or Antarctic without them.

Try it. Please.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised
this
now.

Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.

Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?

Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.

Scots are so stupid as to vote for anyone who claims to make Scotland
more
important than the UK. Patriotic idiots....

They did get a lot more out of the english that way.

Yip, the English are quite gullible.


Not gullible so much as that they didn't want Scotland to leave.


That;'s because they're stupid. They would have ended up losing a drain
on their money.


Just as true of the dregs of any country.

Hardly any of them are happy for them to leave tho.

Too stupid to do what the Romans did, have a wall to keep them out.

Even that fool Trump worked that one out.


Trump is not a fool.


Corse he is. He's never going to get
Mexico to pay for that wall, you watch.

But never did work out how to stop
the english stealing their oil and gas.

Most comes from the Arabs anyway now.


Not the gas it doesn't.


Says who?


Anyone who has enough of a clue to look at the stats.

As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's
ridiculous and has ****ed half of us off.

All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.

Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it.

I meant that May wont be having a second referendum now.

If Scotland gets independance, we might try to rejoin.

No might about it, sure to do that, and will succeed in joining too.


I doubt the EU will let us,


Corse they will when they let the dregs like Romania and Poland join.


The EU will disappear in it's entirety soon anyway.


Bet it doesn't. It may well end up rather different than it is
now, but its being doing that ever since it started anyway.

Plenty countries are telling it to **** off.


Only one has had a majority vote to leave.

It's a silly little failure of a club.


It has ensure that you stupid europeans don't try to rip
each others throats out in every single generation at vast
cost which bankrupts countrys stupid enough to try that.

You stupid europeans have been doing that for millennia
now and have finally come to your senses on that.

And a free trade area over the whole
of europe makes a lot of sense too.

Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.

I don't they care what you do.

And I thought you loved me.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic fantasys.

Aren't I the only person who replies to your posts?


Nope. You're actually in a minority.


That's what I just said,


Nope. You are a minority of those who do reply to my posts.

And only Dave the sot and me reply to yours.


Funny how I can't keep up with replies to me.


Yes, you are that stupid.

And that's not funny, its pathetic.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people
anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

They make far more money than a dustman.

And are still working class anyway.

Money is what decides your class.

Wrong.

Nobody agrees:

Another lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class

Doesn't say anything like your ****.

Everybody knows that class is based on income.


Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.


What's wrong with it?


Everything.

Snobs have huge mansions and speak like the Queen. Chavs live on
benefits and live in council flats.


And a chav that wins lotto etc is still a chav.


No,


Yep.

they get snobby and bigheaded.


Doesn't make them middle class.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.

Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.

Correct.

So money doesn't decide your class.

Those people you listed have a medium amount of money.

Not those that end up with **** all because their ****ed up
their investments. They are still middle class with **** all money.

They become lower class when they live in a council flat.


Nope. And they don't live in council flats anyway.


If you have **** all, where else would you live?


Somewhere cheap, bludge off the relos usually
with the middle class fallen on hard times. They
wouldn't be seen dead in a council flat.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly
working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.

Depends what he gets paid.

Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.

If they get more money, they become snobbier.

Nope. They stay chavs.

Money corrupts.

Hasn't corrupted me.

What are your total assets?


Leaves yours for dead. I'm rolling in it.


I see, so you won't admit the number.


Yep, none of your business. And I don't want you chavs
showing up and trying to grab it, the rotty would makes
such a racket that it would wake the neighbours and using
the shotty on you would be even worse in that regard.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.

It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to
fund
it.

Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.

Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix it.

And they cant fix it by getting more money out of you.

They fix it by stopping wasting money on things like te NHS and child
benefits.

Not possible, they'd be out of a job if
they were stupid enough to do that.

Lots of voters would love to pay way less taxes.


Sure, but any polly actually stupid enough to wind up
the NHS and child benefits now would be out of a job so
fast that its feet wouldn't even touch the ****ing ground.


********.


Fact.

Loads would vote for such a change.


How odd that sweet **** all do for the libertarian partys
that have that as their policy. Bet you can't even name
them they are so completely politically irrelevant.

Remove the drain on our money.


Remove your benefits, bludger.

They've just stopped child benefits for more than two kids.

And so they should. Completely stupid to be taxing everyone,
pumping that money thru the system and then straight back to
the same people the money was collected from in the first place.

There shouldn't be any child benefits for anyone
except those whose kids would starve without it.

And it shouldn't be possible to spend the benefits
on grog and cigarettes and gambling etc, just on
what those kids eat and clothes for them to wear etc.

Should be no benefits at all.


Most of the voters don't like seeing dead little kids in the gutter.


Most of the voters don't care for chavs breeding 10 kids each.


Which is why the torys eliminated the child benefits for more than 2 brats.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to
get rid of the debt the Labour government put us in.

Mindlessly simplistic.

But true.

Nope.

Prove it.

No need, its obvious.

It's obvious you're wrong.


Whatever.


Try some research.


Been doing that since long before you were even born, thanks.

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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour voters
ARE
like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because all
my
family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a
lot
of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have
abandoned
the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons,
Brexit,
and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular
with
Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they
need
to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on
Brexit -
it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the
Conservatives
have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of
Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters (UKIP
will
be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some Remainers
to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from
Labour
and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically will
be
the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well to
the
right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably move
back
a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard Brexit
as
more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class - the
white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher
really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you
know
'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the beeb,
and
own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory
(right
wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away
with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more than
Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.

That's a lie with the most recent change.

That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone up
at
all.

That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.

It always is.

It's negligible.

Bull****.

State how much you think it's risen. It's only a quid or two.

Still a lot more than Labour did.

Labour are stupid.

All politicians are stupid.

Yes, which is why there should be a place to vote for "none" on the
ballot
papers.

No point in farting around with a ballot paper, just don't vote.


That supplies no information,


It supplys the information that you arent interest in voting.


They don't care. They just multiply the votes up to the population.

and they simply act on the results from those who do vote.


They would do that even if there was a
place to vote none on the ballot paper.

If we had a "none" entry, then there would be the possibility of no
arsehole controlling us.


Nope, because even you should have noticed that no
polly would ever be stupid enough to have a system
where, if there were enough none votes in a particular
seat, that seat would remain without a member.

And pollys don't control us, we decide if they
get the bums rush at the ballot box or not.


They do control us if what you say is true. Why shouldn't we be allowed to choose nobody to control us?

What's wrong with freedom? Why should we have anyone in charge?


No one is in charge.

Govts don't control a damned thing.


They create the laws we have to follow or their police come after us.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory,
but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.

Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'

They are evenly scattered,

Like hell they are.

I've looked on the internet, they are everywhere.

But not EVENLY SCATTERED.

Pretty much so.

Nothing even remotely.


Cite.


The census.


Link?

Prove otherwise.

Look at the census data.

Gimme a link.

Even you should be able to find that yourself.


Have done in the past and there are chavs everywhere.


But nothing even remotely like EVENLY SCATTERED.

Even you should have noticed that there are a
lot more in the council estates or the worst of
the Glasgow slums than around Buck House etc.


I've looked at stats on the internet, and was surprised to find they are everywhere. I thought there were a lot here, but apparently they're all over the place.

therefore there are no such stats.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.

Nope, they don't bother to vote.

They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.

They don't bother to vote.

Prove it.

Look at the percentage who bother to vote.

2/3rds isn't it?

Varys with what is going on politically.


Not by much.


By a hell of a lot actually.

The same third are to lazy to vote.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

They have no interest in politics and realise that
who gets elected is almost completely irrelevant.


No, they're just thick or ignorant or lazy.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,

But those don't vote tory, you watch.

Nobody else to vote for.

They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.

Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.

Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to leave the
EU.

Scots aren't that bright. They can't even talk properly.

And didn't even manage to invent pants, or underware.

Underwear is pointless unless you have some kind of problem of being
really smelly.

You run the same stupid line about clothes.


Different reason. Clothes are not needed in warm blooded mammals.


You wouldn't last long in the artic or Antarctic without them.

Try it. Please.


Shivering won't kill me, as long as I have enough food to create that heat.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised
this
now.

Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.

Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?

Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.

Scots are so stupid as to vote for anyone who claims to make Scotland
more
important than the UK. Patriotic idiots....

They did get a lot more out of the english that way.

Yip, the English are quite gullible.

Not gullible so much as that they didn't want Scotland to leave.


That;'s because they're stupid. They would have ended up losing a drain
on their money.


Just as true of the dregs of any country.

Hardly any of them are happy for them to leave tho.


Scotland saps money form England. Why would England want to keep us?

Too stupid to do what the Romans did, have a wall to keep them out.

Even that fool Trump worked that one out.


Trump is not a fool.


Corse he is. He's never going to get
Mexico to pay for that wall, you watch.


So what? His ideas are far better than anyone else.

But never did work out how to stop
the english stealing their oil and gas.

Most comes from the Arabs anyway now.

Not the gas it doesn't.


Says who?


Anyone who has enough of a clue to look at the stats.


Show me them.

AFAIK where there's oil there's gas.

As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's
ridiculous and has ****ed half of us off.

All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.

Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it.

I meant that May wont be having a second referendum now.

If Scotland gets independance, we might try to rejoin.

No might about it, sure to do that, and will succeed in joining too.

I doubt the EU will let us,

Corse they will when they let the dregs like Romania and Poland join.


The EU will disappear in it's entirety soon anyway.


Bet it doesn't. It may well end up rather different than it is
now, but its being doing that ever since it started anyway.


Ever since Brexit, the other countries are thinking about leaving too. The **** is about to hit the fan.

Plenty countries are telling it to **** off.


Only one has had a majority vote to leave.


Only one has had a referendum so far.

It's a silly little failure of a club.


It has ensure that you stupid europeans don't try to rip
each others throats out in every single generation at vast
cost which bankrupts countrys stupid enough to try that.

You stupid europeans have been doing that for millennia
now and have finally come to your senses on that.

And a free trade area over the whole
of europe makes a lot of sense too.


You don't need a club for trade. And we don't want to be told what shape our bananas have to be, or what wattage our vacuum cleaners must be.

Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.

I don't they care what you do.

And I thought you loved me.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic fantasys.

Aren't I the only person who replies to your posts?

Nope. You're actually in a minority.


That's what I just said,


Nope. You are a minority of those who do reply to my posts.


Exactly, **** all people talk to you.

And only Dave the sot and me reply to yours.


Funny how I can't keep up with replies to me.


Yes, you are that stupid.

And that's not funny, its pathetic.


You said hardly anyone replies to me, so why do I have hundreds of posts in my replies folder?

And working class people arent necessarily poor people
anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

They make far more money than a dustman.

And are still working class anyway.

Money is what decides your class.

Wrong.

Nobody agrees:

Another lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class

Doesn't say anything like your ****.

Everybody knows that class is based on income.

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.


What's wrong with it?


Everything.


You have no substance to your argument.

Snobs have huge mansions and speak like the Queen. Chavs live on
benefits and live in council flats.

And a chav that wins lotto etc is still a chav.


No,


Yep.

they get snobby and bigheaded.


Doesn't make them middle class.


Yes it does. Money changes what you're like.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.

Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.

Correct.

So money doesn't decide your class.

Those people you listed have a medium amount of money.

Not those that end up with **** all because their ****ed up
their investments. They are still middle class with **** all money.

They become lower class when they live in a council flat.

Nope. And they don't live in council flats anyway.


If you have **** all, where else would you live?


Somewhere cheap, bludge off the relos usually
with the middle class fallen on hard times. They
wouldn't be seen dead in a council flat.


Might not have rich relos.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly
working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.

Depends what he gets paid.

Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.

If they get more money, they become snobbier.

Nope. They stay chavs.

Money corrupts.

Hasn't corrupted me.

What are your total assets?

Leaves yours for dead. I'm rolling in it.


I see, so you won't admit the number.


Yep, none of your business. And I don't want you chavs
showing up and trying to grab it, the rotty would makes
such a racket that it would wake the neighbours and using
the shotty on you would be even worse in that regard.


I can only assume that you aren't rich then.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.

It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to
fund
it.

Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.

Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix it.

And they cant fix it by getting more money out of you.

They fix it by stopping wasting money on things like te NHS and child
benefits.

Not possible, they'd be out of a job if
they were stupid enough to do that.

Lots of voters would love to pay way less taxes.

Sure, but any polly actually stupid enough to wind up
the NHS and child benefits now would be out of a job so
fast that its feet wouldn't even touch the ****ing ground.


********.


Fact.


Plenty of us are fed up of paying for chavs' medical expenses and kids.

Loads would vote for such a change.


How odd that sweet **** all do for the libertarian partys
that have that as their policy. Bet you can't even name
them they are so completely politically irrelevant.


I once voted Libertarian. They rarely have an MP for me to vote for though.

Remove the drain on our money.


Remove your benefits, bludger.


If there were no benefits, people wouldn't be made poor in the first place by huge taxes.

They've just stopped child benefits for more than two kids.

And so they should. Completely stupid to be taxing everyone,
pumping that money thru the system and then straight back to
the same people the money was collected from in the first place.

There shouldn't be any child benefits for anyone
except those whose kids would starve without it.

And it shouldn't be possible to spend the benefits
on grog and cigarettes and gambling etc, just on
what those kids eat and clothes for them to wear etc.

Should be no benefits at all.

Most of the voters don't like seeing dead little kids in the gutter.


Most of the voters don't care for chavs breeding 10 kids each.


Which is why the torys eliminated the child benefits for more than 2 brats.


At last. Hopefully that's only the first step. We've been waiting to get rid of those for several decades.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to
get rid of the debt the Labour government put us in.

Mindlessly simplistic.

But true.

Nope.

Prove it.

No need, its obvious.

It's obvious you're wrong.

Whatever.


Try some research.


Been doing that since long before you were even born, thanks.


Allegedly.

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On 23/04/17 21:47, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bod writes:
From what I've read and heard, most Labour
voters
ARE
like
sheep.
I
hear it all of the time "I vote labour because
all
my
family
have
always
voted for Labour".

I think there's been a lot of truth in that, but a
lot
of
people
who had always voted Labour for decades have
abandoned
the
party
in last couple of years for two different reasons,
Brexit,
and
the
party's recent move towards the far left (popular
with
Labour
members, but less so with the bulk of voters they
need
to
attract).

Both Conservative and Labour voters were split on
Brexit -
it
wasn't a hard left/right issue. Now the
Conservatives
have
come
out heavily for Brexit, they've pulled in lots of
Labour
Brexiters,
and I think they'll pull in all 5M UKIP voters
(UKIP
will
be
dead
in 8 weeks). Conservatives will lose some
Remainers
to
Lib/Dems,
but
that will be small compared with their gains from
Labour
and
UKIP.

I think the most significant thing historically
will
be
the
number
of traditional left wing voters who've moved well
to
the
right
just
to ensure Brexit goes through. They'll probably
move
back
a
few
years after Brexit, but for now, they regard
Brexit
as
more
important
than left/right politics.

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class -
the
white
working
class for two decades or more. Not since Thatcher
really.
Its the party of the nouveau rich middle class, you
know
'me
grandad
were a milkman but I am a sound engineer at the
beeb,
and
own
me
own
house' sort.

Working class are way right of Labour.

You mean way left.

Nope, **** all of the working class is into the
sort of Trotskyite **** that Corbyn and co are.

That's why so many of them kept putting Maggie in.

Every working class person I know does not vote Tory
(right
wing).

Then you need to get out more.

Why would a poor person not want handouts?

Even the Torys do handouts.

They continually reduce them as much as they can get away
with.

Bull****. And they jacked up the minimum wage much more
than
Labour
did.

It's on a very slow rise, barely over inflation.

That's a lie with the most recent change.

That's what I thought until I looked it up. It's hardly gone
up
at
all.

That's bull****. Its gone up a lot more than Labour did.

And it's spread over several years.

It always is.

It's negligible.

Bull****.

State how much you think it's risen. It's only a quid or two.

Still a lot more than Labour did.

Labour are stupid.

All politicians are stupid.

Yes, which is why there should be a place to vote for "none" on the
ballot
papers.

No point in farting around with a ballot paper, just don't vote.

That supplies no information,


It supplys the information that you arent interest in voting.


They don't care.


Neither would they with your stupid system,
they'd just ignore the fools that tick your box.

They just multiply the votes up to the population.


Like hell they do.

and they simply act on the results from those who do vote.


They would do that even if there was a
place to vote none on the ballot paper.

If we had a "none" entry, then there would be the possibility of no
arsehole controlling us.


Nope, because even you should have noticed that no
polly would ever be stupid enough to have a system
where, if there were enough none votes in a particular
seat, that seat would remain without a member.

And pollys don't control us, we decide if they
get the bums rush at the ballot box or not.


They do control us if what you say is true.


Even sillier than you usually manage. You don't even have
compulsory voting so you are free to not vote whenever you like.

Why shouldn't we be allowed to choose nobody to control us?


Because not enough would be stupid enough to vote for that.

And no one controls you anyway, we get to give them the
bums rush at the ballot box if they **** up badly enough.

Even you should have noticed what happened
to Blair and Brown and their parasites.

What's wrong with freedom? Why should we have anyone in charge?


No one is in charge.

Govts don't control a damned thing.


They create the laws we have to follow


Nope, we are free to change who the
govt is and get the laws we want instead.

or their police come after us.


How odd that they don't when you flout the road laws.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory,
but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.

Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'

They are evenly scattered,

Like hell they are.

I've looked on the internet, they are everywhere.

But not EVENLY SCATTERED.

Pretty much so.

Nothing even remotely.

Cite.


The census.


Link?


Even you should be able to use google to find that.

I'm not going to do stuff as basic as that for you.

Prove otherwise.

Look at the census data.

Gimme a link.

Even you should be able to find that yourself.

Have done in the past and there are chavs everywhere.


But nothing even remotely like EVENLY SCATTERED.

Even you should have noticed that there are a
lot more in the council estates or the worst of
the Glasgow slums than around Buck House etc.


I've looked at stats on the internet, and was surprised to find they are
everywhere.


Not EVENLY DISTRIBUTED they arent.

I thought there were a lot here, but apparently they're all over the
place.


Not EVENLY DISTRIBUTED they arent.

therefore there are no such stats.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them
too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.

Nope, they don't bother to vote.

They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.

They don't bother to vote.

Prove it.

Look at the percentage who bother to vote.

2/3rds isn't it?

Varys with what is going on politically.

Not by much.


By a hell of a lot actually.

The same third are to lazy to vote.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

They have no interest in politics and realise that
who gets elected is almost completely irrelevant.


No, they're just thick or ignorant or lazy.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

They have no interest in politics and realise that
who gets elected is almost completely irrelevant.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,

But those don't vote tory, you watch.

Nobody else to vote for.

They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.

Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.

Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to leave
the
EU.

Scots aren't that bright. They can't even talk properly.

And didn't even manage to invent pants, or underware.

Underwear is pointless unless you have some kind of problem of being
really smelly.

You run the same stupid line about clothes.

Different reason. Clothes are not needed in warm blooded mammals.


You wouldn't last long in the artic or Antarctic without them.

Try it. Please.


Shivering won't kill me,


No clothes outside in the Artic or Antarctic will.

Try it. Please.

as long as I have enough food to create that heat.


Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised
this
now.

Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.

Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?

Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.

Scots are so stupid as to vote for anyone who claims to make
Scotland
more
important than the UK. Patriotic idiots....

They did get a lot more out of the english that way.

Yip, the English are quite gullible.

Not gullible so much as that they didn't want Scotland to leave.

That;'s because they're stupid. They would have ended up losing a drain
on their money.


Just as true of the dregs of any country.

Hardly any of them are happy for them to leave tho.


Scotland saps money form England. Why would England want to keep us?


Because that is where quite a bit of the gas comes from,
where they keep Trident, where Liz and Phil choose to
posture quite a bit of the time, presumably because
that is where her mum came from, etc etc etc.

Too stupid to do what the Romans did, have a wall to keep them out.

Even that fool Trump worked that one out.

Trump is not a fool.


Corse he is. He's never going to get
Mexico to pay for that wall, you watch.


So what?


So he's that big of a fool.

His ideas are far better than anyone else.


Name 10 that are.

But never did work out how to stop
the english stealing their oil and gas.

Most comes from the Arabs anyway now.

Not the gas it doesn't.

Says who?


Anyone who has enough of a clue to look at the stats.


Show me them.


Go and find them for yourself.

AFAIK where there's oil there's gas.


Even more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

We have vast amounts of gas in our NW and **** all oil there.

As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's
ridiculous and has ****ed half of us off.

All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.

Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it.

I meant that May wont be having a second referendum now.

If Scotland gets independance, we might try to rejoin.

No might about it, sure to do that, and will succeed in joining too.

I doubt the EU will let us,

Corse they will when they let the dregs like Romania and Poland join.


The EU will disappear in it's entirety soon anyway.


Bet it doesn't. It may well end up rather different than it is
now, but its being doing that ever since it started anyway.


Ever since Brexit, the other countries are thinking about leaving too.


They were thinking about that long before BRexit.

The **** is about to hit the fan.


Nope, no one else will even get a
referendum on leaving, you watch.

Plenty countries are telling it to **** off.


Only one has had a majority vote to leave.


Only one has had a referendum so far.


And no one else will have a referendum, you watch.

It's a silly little failure of a club.


It has ensure that you stupid europeans don't try to rip
each others throats out in every single generation at vast
cost which bankrupts countrys stupid enough to try that.

You stupid europeans have been doing that for millennia
now and have finally come to your senses on that.

And a free trade area over the whole
of europe makes a lot of sense too.


You don't need a club for trade.


But you do need a formal agreement to have a FREE TRADE area.

And we don't want to be told what shape our bananas have to be, or what
wattage our vacuum cleaners must be.


No other free trade area has anything
even remotely like that stupidity.

Or anything like the EP either.

Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.

I don't they care what you do.

And I thought you loved me.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic fantasys.

Aren't I the only person who replies to your posts?

Nope. You're actually in a minority.

That's what I just said,


Nope. You are a minority of those who do reply to my posts.


Exactly, **** all people talk to you.


Lot more talk to me than talk to you.

And only Dave the sot and me reply to yours.

Funny how I can't keep up with replies to me.


Yes, you are that stupid.

And that's not funny, its pathetic.


You said hardly anyone replies to me, so why do I have hundreds of posts
in my replies folder?


Because you are so pathetic that you can't even
manage to keep up with the few you do get.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people
anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

They make far more money than a dustman.

And are still working class anyway.

Money is what decides your class.

Wrong.

Nobody agrees:

Another lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class

Doesn't say anything like your ****.

Everybody knows that class is based on income.

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

What's wrong with it?


Everything.


You have no substance to your argument.


We all swooned at the substance in yours.

Snobs have huge mansions and speak like the Queen. Chavs live on
benefits and live in council flats.

And a chav that wins lotto etc is still a chav.

No,


Yep.

they get snobby and bigheaded.


Doesn't make them middle class.


Yes it does.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

Money changes what you're like.


Didn't change me.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.

Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.

Correct.

So money doesn't decide your class.

Those people you listed have a medium amount of money.

Not those that end up with **** all because their ****ed up
their investments. They are still middle class with **** all money.

They become lower class when they live in a council flat.

Nope. And they don't live in council flats anyway.

If you have **** all, where else would you live?


Somewhere cheap, bludge off the relos usually
with the middle class fallen on hard times. They
wouldn't be seen dead in a council flat.


Might not have rich relos.


Don't need to be rich.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly
working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.

Depends what he gets paid.

Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.

If they get more money, they become snobbier.

Nope. They stay chavs.

Money corrupts.

Hasn't corrupted me.

What are your total assets?

Leaves yours for dead. I'm rolling in it.

I see, so you won't admit the number.


Yep, none of your business. And I don't want you chavs
showing up and trying to grab it, the rotty would makes
such a racket that it would wake the neighbours and using
the shotty on you would be even worse in that regard.


I can only assume that you aren't rich then.


Yes, you actually are that stupid.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone
else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys
do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase
that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or not.

It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes to
fund
it.

Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.

Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix it.

And they cant fix it by getting more money out of you.

They fix it by stopping wasting money on things like te NHS and
child
benefits.

Not possible, they'd be out of a job if
they were stupid enough to do that.

Lots of voters would love to pay way less taxes.

Sure, but any polly actually stupid enough to wind up
the NHS and child benefits now would be out of a job so
fast that its feet wouldn't even touch the ****ing ground.

********.


Fact.


Plenty of us are fed up of paying for chavs' medical expenses and kids.


Sure, but nothing even remotely like enough
to get the NHS and child benefits scrapped.

Loads would vote for such a change.


How odd that sweet **** all do for the libertarian partys
that have that as their policy. Bet you can't even name
them they are so completely politically irrelevant.


I once voted Libertarian. They rarely have an MP for me to vote for
though.


Which should tell even someone as stupid as you
what the electoral prospects are for them, even if
you were too stupid to notice how few votes those
too stupid to work that out actually got.

Remove the drain on our money.


Remove your benefits, bludger.


If there were no benefits, people wouldn't be made poor in the first place
by huge taxes.


The real poor pay **** all in the way of taxes.

They only pay the VAT and gambling
taxes and grog and cigarette taxes.

And even a 20% VAT isnt going to make anyone
with a decent income poor, and isnt a huge tax.

They've just stopped child benefits for more than two kids.

And so they should. Completely stupid to be taxing everyone,
pumping that money thru the system and then straight back to
the same people the money was collected from in the first place.

There shouldn't be any child benefits for anyone
except those whose kids would starve without it.

And it shouldn't be possible to spend the benefits
on grog and cigarettes and gambling etc, just on
what those kids eat and clothes for them to wear etc.

Should be no benefits at all.

Most of the voters don't like seeing dead little kids in the gutter.


Most of the voters don't care for chavs breeding 10 kids each.


Which is why the torys eliminated the child benefits for more than 2
brats.


At last. Hopefully that's only the first step.


Not a chance, you watch.

We've been waiting to get rid of those for several decades.


Getting rid of all child benefits aint gunna happen, you watch.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying to
get rid of the debt the Labour government put us in.

Mindlessly simplistic.

But true.

Nope.

Prove it.

No need, its obvious.

It's obvious you're wrong.

Whatever.

Try some research.


Been doing that since long before you were even born, thanks.


Allegedly.


Even you should be able to find it cited.

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All politicians are stupid.

Yes, which is why there should be a place to vote for "none" on the
ballot
papers.

No point in farting around with a ballot paper, just don't vote.

That supplies no information,

It supplys the information that you arent interest in voting.


They don't care.


Neither would they with your stupid system,
they'd just ignore the fools that tick your box.


Not if it was made as valid a choice as any of the MPs.

They just multiply the votes up to the population.


Like hell they do.


What on earth do you think they do? If 70% of the population vote, they just use those votes to decide the outcome of the election. They ignore the 30% who didn't bother.

and they simply act on the results from those who do vote.

They would do that even if there was a
place to vote none on the ballot paper.

If we had a "none" entry, then there would be the possibility of no
arsehole controlling us.

Nope, because even you should have noticed that no
polly would ever be stupid enough to have a system
where, if there were enough none votes in a particular
seat, that seat would remain without a member.

And pollys don't control us, we decide if they
get the bums rush at the ballot box or not.


They do control us if what you say is true.


Even sillier than you usually manage. You don't even have
compulsory voting so you are free to not vote whenever you like.


But it has no effect. We are forced to have politicians.

Why shouldn't we be allowed to choose nobody to control us?


Because not enough would be stupid enough to vote for that.


What's stupid about it? 99% of what politicians do hinders us not helps us. We'd be better off without them.

And I'd say a very large number of people just hate all politicians equally and would sooner vote for nobody.

And no one controls you anyway, we get to give them the
bums rush at the ballot box if they **** up badly enough.


And vote in someone equally ****. Brilliant....

Even you should have noticed what happened
to Blair and Brown and their parasites.


To be replaced with more morons.

What's wrong with freedom? Why should we have anyone in charge?

No one is in charge.

Govts don't control a damned thing.


They create the laws we have to follow


Nope, we are free to change who the
govt is and get the laws we want instead.


To another equally **** government.

or their police come after us.


How odd that they don't when you flout the road laws.


They do, I'm just good enough to avoid the ****s.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote Tory,
but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.

Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'

They are evenly scattered,

Like hell they are.

I've looked on the internet, they are everywhere.

But not EVENLY SCATTERED.

Pretty much so.

Nothing even remotely.

Cite.

The census.


Link?


Even you should be able to use google to find that.

I'm not going to do stuff as basic as that for you.


I've looked before. The census isn't that detailed. You want to prove your point, you show me the link.

Prove otherwise.

Look at the census data.

Gimme a link.

Even you should be able to find that yourself.

Have done in the past and there are chavs everywhere.

But nothing even remotely like EVENLY SCATTERED.

Even you should have noticed that there are a
lot more in the council estates or the worst of
the Glasgow slums than around Buck House etc.


I've looked at stats on the internet, and was surprised to find they are
everywhere.


Not EVENLY DISTRIBUTED they arent.


Yes they are.

I thought there were a lot here, but apparently they're all over the
place.


Not EVENLY DISTRIBUTED they arent.


Yes they are. And stop repeating yourself.

therefore there are no such stats.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them
too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.

Nope, they don't bother to vote.

They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.

They don't bother to vote.

Prove it.

Look at the percentage who bother to vote.

2/3rds isn't it?

Varys with what is going on politically.

Not by much.

By a hell of a lot actually.

The same third are to lazy to vote.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

They have no interest in politics and realise that
who gets elected is almost completely irrelevant.


No, they're just thick or ignorant or lazy.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

They have no interest in politics and realise that
who gets elected is almost completely irrelevant.


Precisely my point further up. Better off with no polys at all.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,

But those don't vote tory, you watch.

Nobody else to vote for.

They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.

Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.

Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to leave
the
EU.

Scots aren't that bright. They can't even talk properly.

And didn't even manage to invent pants, or underware.

Underwear is pointless unless you have some kind of problem of being
really smelly.

You run the same stupid line about clothes.

Different reason. Clothes are not needed in warm blooded mammals.

You wouldn't last long in the artic or Antarctic without them.

Try it. Please.


Shivering won't kill me,


No clothes outside in the Artic or Antarctic will.

Try it. Please.


Look up warm blooded you ignorant fool.

as long as I have enough food to create that heat.


Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.


Look up warm blooded you ignorant fool.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have realised
this
now.

Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.

Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?

Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.

Scots are so stupid as to vote for anyone who claims to make
Scotland
more
important than the UK. Patriotic idiots....

They did get a lot more out of the english that way.

Yip, the English are quite gullible.

Not gullible so much as that they didn't want Scotland to leave.

That;'s because they're stupid. They would have ended up losing a drain
on their money.

Just as true of the dregs of any country.

Hardly any of them are happy for them to leave tho.


Scotland saps money form England. Why would England want to keep us?


Because that is where quite a bit of the gas comes from,


In the entire world?!

where they keep Trident,


Easy enough to move it.

where Liz and Phil choose to
posture quite a bit of the time, presumably because
that is where her mum came from, etc etc etc.


Hardly the end of the world if they can't. I'm sure they'd prefer the dryer English countryside.

Too stupid to do what the Romans did, have a wall to keep them out.

Even that fool Trump worked that one out.

Trump is not a fool.

Corse he is. He's never going to get
Mexico to pay for that wall, you watch.


So what?


So he's that big of a fool.

His ideas are far better than anyone else.


Name 10 that are.


Getting rid of immigrunts. That's worth 10.

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ridiculous and has ****ed half of us off.

All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.

Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it.

I meant that May wont be having a second referendum now.

If Scotland gets independance, we might try to rejoin.

No might about it, sure to do that, and will succeed in joining
too.

I doubt the EU will let us,

Corse they will when they let the dregs like Romania and Poland join.

The EU will disappear in it's entirety soon anyway.

Bet it doesn't. It may well end up rather different than it is
now, but its being doing that ever since it started anyway.

Ever since Brexit, the other countries are thinking about leaving too.


They were thinking about that long before BRexit.


Not according to the media.


The media is completely irrelevant and there was plenty
of the media reporting that other countrys had some
who wanted to leave line Marine Le Pen LONG before
the BRexit result. Even you should have noticed UKIP
and should even have noticed other MEPs who said
that they wanted their country to leave the EU too
and had go elected on that platform too.

The **** is about to hit the fan.


Nope, no one else will even get a
referendum on leaving, you watch.


Not according to the media.


The media is completely irrelevant on that.

Have fun listing even a single country where the politician
that decides that that country has a referendum will happen
has said that they should have a referendum on that or one
that say has a constitution that says that there will be a
referendum if say enough sign a petition to have one where
there is any prospect of enough signing that to get that.

Plenty countries are telling it to **** off.

Only one has had a majority vote to leave.

Only one has had a referendum so far.


And no one else will have a referendum, you watch.


Not according to the media.


Record's stuck.

It's a silly little failure of a club.

It has ensure that you stupid europeans don't try to rip
each others throats out in every single generation at vast
cost which bankrupts countrys stupid enough to try that.

You stupid europeans have been doing that for millennia
now and have finally come to your senses on that.

And a free trade area over the whole
of europe makes a lot of sense too.

You don't need a club for trade.


But you do need a formal agreement to have a FREE TRADE area.


No, you just need common sense.


Free trade agreements don't work like that.

There is no reason for any country in the entire world to charge any
customs.


Even sillier than you usually manage when a country
chooses to protect a local industry that would otherwise
not be able to compete very well with imports.

Have fun listing even a single country
that has a car industry that has no dutys
or tariffs on any cars or car components
except within a free trade areas which is
a subset of the entire world.

And we don't want to be told what shape our bananas have to be, or what
wattage our vacuum cleaners must be.


No other free trade area has anything
even remotely like that stupidity.


Or anything like the EP either.


The EU does.


The word OTHER was there for a reason.

Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.

I don't they care what you do.

And I thought you loved me.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic
fantasys.

Aren't I the only person who replies to your posts?

Nope. You're actually in a minority.

That's what I just said,

Nope. You are a minority of those who do reply to my posts.

Exactly, **** all people talk to you.


Lot more talk to me than talk to you.


Incorrect.


Nope. Only 3 people talk to you, me, Dave the
sot and that other person with the 3 letter name.

And which of us has a "Who or what is Rod Speed" page?


That's there because I ****ed that fool over so very
comprehensively that its still desperately licking its
wounds quite literally DECADES after.

And only Dave the sot and me reply to yours.

Funny how I can't keep up with replies to me.

Yes, you are that stupid.

And that's not funny, its pathetic.

You said hardly anyone replies to me, so why do I have hundreds of posts
in my replies folder?


Because you are so pathetic that you can't even
manage to keep up with the few you do get.


Maybe I have more of a life than you?


Mowing lawns, hoovering, watering your indoor plants ?

Yeah, right.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people
anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

They make far more money than a dustman.

And are still working class anyway.

Money is what decides your class.

Wrong.

Nobody agrees:

Another lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class

Doesn't say anything like your ****.

Everybody knows that class is based on income.

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

What's wrong with it?

Everything.

You have no substance to your argument.


We all swooned at the substance in yours.


Now you're just contradicting instead of arguing.


Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?

That's a sign of low intelligence that is.


You shouldn't be so hard on yourself, you might end
up topping yourself. Not that we'd mind if you did.

Snobs have huge mansions and speak like the Queen. Chavs live on
benefits and live in council flats.

And a chav that wins lotto etc is still a chav.

No,

Yep.

they get snobby and bigheaded.

Doesn't make them middle class.

Yes it does.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

Money changes what you're like.


Didn't change me.


Aussies aren't human.


Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

Get one to help you before posting again.

If anyone is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.

Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.

Correct.

So money doesn't decide your class.

Those people you listed have a medium amount of money.

Not those that end up with **** all because their ****ed up
their investments. They are still middle class with **** all money.

They become lower class when they live in a council flat.

Nope. And they don't live in council flats anyway.

If you have **** all, where else would you live?

Somewhere cheap, bludge off the relos usually
with the middle class fallen on hard times. They
wouldn't be seen dead in a council flat.

Might not have rich relos.


Don't need to be rich.


Can't bludge of those who aren't rich.


Corse you can. You can bludge of anyone who has
more than you do. Even chavs bludge off each other.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly
working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.

Depends what he gets paid.

Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.

If they get more money, they become snobbier.

Nope. They stay chavs.

Money corrupts.

Hasn't corrupted me.

What are your total assets?

Leaves yours for dead. I'm rolling in it.

I see, so you won't admit the number.

Yep, none of your business. And I don't want you chavs
showing up and trying to grab it, the rotty would makes
such a racket that it would wake the neighbours and using
the shotty on you would be even worse in that regard.


I can only assume that you aren't rich then.


Yes, you actually are that stupid.


You're hiding your alleged riches,


Nope. Everyone who knows me
personally knows I am rolling in it.

In spades with the kids who I told that if the bank wouldn't
lend them the money to buy the house they wanted, that
I would be happy to do a private mortgage instead.

so you're a liar.


Even you should be able to do better than
that pathetic excuse for a troll. Obviously not.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone
else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys
do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase
that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or
not.

It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes
to
fund
it.

Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.

Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix it.

And they cant fix it by getting more money out of you.

They fix it by stopping wasting money on things like te NHS and
child
benefits.

Not possible, they'd be out of a job if
they were stupid enough to do that.

Lots of voters would love to pay way less taxes.

Sure, but any polly actually stupid enough to wind up
the NHS and child benefits now would be out of a job so
fast that its feet wouldn't even touch the ****ing ground.

********.

Fact.

Plenty of us are fed up of paying for chavs' medical expenses and kids.


Sure, but nothing even remotely like enough
to get the NHS and child benefits scrapped.


They're on their way out.


Like hell the NHS is.

Loads would vote for such a change.

How odd that sweet **** all do for the libertarian partys
that have that as their policy. Bet you can't even name
them they are so completely politically irrelevant.

I once voted Libertarian. They rarely have an MP for me to vote for
though.


Which should tell even someone as stupid as you
what the electoral prospects are for them, even if
you were too stupid to notice how few votes those
too stupid to work that out actually got.


Everyone has to start somewhere.


And even you have noticed that they have given up after that result.

Remove the drain on our money.

Remove your benefits, bludger.

If there were no benefits, people wouldn't be made poor in the first
place
by huge taxes.


The real poor pay **** all in the way of taxes.


But they start out having a medium amount of money,


Nope, the real poor are those whose entire income is benefits
or less than that because they arent entitled to benefits.

and are taxed to death


Even a 20% VAT isnt taking them to death.

making them poor.


They are already poor if their entire income is benefits
and those arent even taxed anyway. The govt just takes
some of what it pays them in benefits back in tax.

They only pay the VAT and gambling
taxes and grog and cigarette taxes.


And so on and so forth.


There is no and so on and so forth with the
real poor whose entire income is benefits
and they don't actually pay any tax at all
anyway, the govt just takes back part of
what it hands them in benefits.

Taxes at every corner.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

And even a 20% VAT isnt going to make anyone
with a decent income poor, and isnt a huge tax.


It is when combined with all the others. 400% petrol tax FFS!


The real poor don't have cars so don't buy petrol.

They've just stopped child benefits for more than two kids.

And so they should. Completely stupid to be taxing everyone,
pumping that money thru the system and then straight back to
the same people the money was collected from in the first place.

There shouldn't be any child benefits for anyone
except those whose kids would starve without it.

And it shouldn't be possible to spend the benefits
on grog and cigarettes and gambling etc, just on
what those kids eat and clothes for them to wear etc.

Should be no benefits at all.

Most of the voters don't like seeing dead little kids in the gutter.

Most of the voters don't care for chavs breeding 10 kids each.

Which is why the torys eliminated the child benefits for more than 2
brats.

At last. Hopefully that's only the first step.


Not a chance, you watch.


First time it's reduced in my whole lifetime.


Another lie. Maggie did quite a bit of reducing of that.

We've been waiting to get rid of those for several decades.


Getting rid of all child benefits aint gunna happen, you watch.


First time it's reduced in my whole lifetime.


Another lie. Maggie did quite a bit of reducing of that.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying
to
get rid of the debt the Labour government put us in.

Mindlessly simplistic.

But true.

Nope.

Prove it.

No need, its obvious.

It's obvious you're wrong.

Whatever.

Try some research.

Been doing that since long before you were even born, thanks.

Allegedly.


Even you should be able to find it cited.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...rity_programme


Irrelevant to what research I have been doing since before you were even
born.

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All politicians are stupid.

Yes, which is why there should be a place to vote for "none" on the
ballot
papers.

No point in farting around with a ballot paper, just don't vote.

That supplies no information,

It supplys the information that you arent interest in voting.

They don't care.


Neither would they with your stupid system,
they'd just ignore the fools that tick your box.


Not if it was made as valid a choice as any of the MPs.


Corse they would just ignore that.

They just multiply the votes up to the population.


Like hell they do.


What on earth do you think they do?


Work out who got the most votes and that one gets to be the MP.

Even you should have been able to work that out. Obviously not.

If 70% of the population vote, they just use those votes to decide the
outcome of the election.


So there is no multiply involved.

They ignore the 30% who didn't bother.


Duh.

and they simply act on the results from those who do vote.

They would do that even if there was a
place to vote none on the ballot paper.

If we had a "none" entry, then there would be the possibility of no
arsehole controlling us.

Nope, because even you should have noticed that no
polly would ever be stupid enough to have a system
where, if there were enough none votes in a particular
seat, that seat would remain without a member.

And pollys don't control us, we decide if they
get the bums rush at the ballot box or not.


They do control us if what you say is true.


Even sillier than you usually manage. You don't even have
compulsory voting so you are free to not vote whenever you like.


But it has no effect. We are forced to have politicians.


Because that works better than mob rule.

Why shouldn't we be allowed to choose nobody to control us?


Because not enough would be stupid enough to vote for that.


What's stupid about it?


Mob rule doesn't work.

99% of what politicians do hinders us not helps us.


You'd never have got any benefits without
them and would have ended up dead.

We'd be better off without them.


We'd certainly be better off if you had ended up dead.

And I'd say a very large number of people just hate all politicians
equally


**** all are that stupid.

and would sooner vote for nobody.


Makes more sense to not vote if you arent interest in politics
or have decided that none of those you can vote for are any use.

And no one controls you anyway, we get to give them the
bums rush at the ballot box if they **** up badly enough.


And vote in someone equally ****.


You just said that the torys are doing better because they
pulled the plug on child benefits for more than 2 brats.

Can't even manage a consistent line in mindless silly bull****.

Brilliant....


Even you should have noticed what happened
to Blair and Brown and their parasites.


To be replaced with more morons.


You just said that the torys are doing better because they
pulled the plug on child benefits for more than 2 brats.

Can't even manage a consistent line in mindless silly bull****.

What's wrong with freedom? Why should we have anyone in charge?

No one is in charge.

Govts don't control a damned thing.

They create the laws we have to follow


Nope, we are free to change who the
govt is and get the laws we want instead.


To another equally **** government.


You just said that the torys are doing better because they
pulled the plug on child benefits for more than 2 brats.

Can't even manage a consistent line in mindless silly bull****.

or their police come after us.


How odd that they don't when you flout the road laws.


They do, I'm just good enough to avoid the ****s.


They clearly don't control even how you drive.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote
Tory,
but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.

Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'

They are evenly scattered,

Like hell they are.

I've looked on the internet, they are everywhere.

But not EVENLY SCATTERED.

Pretty much so.

Nothing even remotely.

Cite.

The census.

Link?


Even you should be able to use google to find that.

I'm not going to do stuff as basic as that for you.


I've looked before. The census isn't that detailed.


Bull**** it isnt.

You want to prove your point, you show me the link.


Go and **** yourself, again.

Prove otherwise.

Look at the census data.

Gimme a link.

Even you should be able to find that yourself.

Have done in the past and there are chavs everywhere.

But nothing even remotely like EVENLY SCATTERED.

Even you should have noticed that there are a
lot more in the council estates or the worst of
the Glasgow slums than around Buck House etc.


I've looked at stats on the internet, and was surprised to find they are
everywhere.


Not EVENLY DISTRIBUTED they arent.


Yes they are.


Then you wont have any trouble citing the evidence for that.

I thought there were a lot here, but apparently they're all over the
place.


Not EVENLY DISTRIBUTED they arent.


Yes they are.


Then you wont have any trouble citing the evidence for that.

And stop repeating yourself.


Go and **** yourself, again.

therefore there are no such stats.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them
too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.

Nope, they don't bother to vote.

They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.

They don't bother to vote.

Prove it.

Look at the percentage who bother to vote.

2/3rds isn't it?

Varys with what is going on politically.

Not by much.

By a hell of a lot actually.

The same third are to lazy to vote.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

They have no interest in politics and realise that
who gets elected is almost completely irrelevant.

No, they're just thick or ignorant or lazy.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

They have no interest in politics and realise that
who gets elected is almost completely irrelevant.


Precisely my point further up.


Nope. Its only a minority that believe that.

Better off with no polys at all.


Wrong, as always. Mob rule is much worse.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,

But those don't vote tory, you watch.

Nobody else to vote for.

They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.

Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.

Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to leave
the
EU.

Scots aren't that bright. They can't even talk properly.

And didn't even manage to invent pants, or underware.

Underwear is pointless unless you have some kind of problem of being
really smelly.

You run the same stupid line about clothes.

Different reason. Clothes are not needed in warm blooded mammals.

You wouldn't last long in the artic or Antarctic without them.

Try it. Please.


Shivering won't kill me,


No clothes outside in the Artic or Antarctic will.

Try it. Please.


Look up warm blooded you ignorant fool.


Look up all those who have died in the snow and
after they have fallen into freezing water, ****wit.

as long as I have enough food to create that heat.


Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.


Look up warm blooded you ignorant fool.


Look up all those who have died in the snow and
after they have fallen into freezing water, ****wit.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have
realised
this
now.

Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.

Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?

Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.

Scots are so stupid as to vote for anyone who claims to make
Scotland
more
important than the UK. Patriotic idiots....

They did get a lot more out of the english that way.

Yip, the English are quite gullible.

Not gullible so much as that they didn't want Scotland to leave.

That;'s because they're stupid. They would have ended up losing a
drain
on their money.

Just as true of the dregs of any country.

Hardly any of them are happy for them to leave tho.

Scotland saps money form England. Why would England want to keep us?


Because that is where quite a bit of the gas comes from,


In the entire world?!


What england uses.

where they keep Trident,


Easy enough to move it.


Nope, no one is actually stupid enough to want
to live near what is absolutely certain to be the
target of nukes if the **** ever does hit the fan.

where Liz and Phil choose to posture quite a bit of the time, presumably
because that is where her mum came from, etc etc etc.


Hardly the end of the world if they can't.


Sure, but hardly the end of the world
if scotland stays in britain either.

I'm sure they'd prefer the dryer English countryside.


They don't.

Too stupid to do what the Romans did, have a wall to keep them out.

Even that fool Trump worked that one out.

Trump is not a fool.

Corse he is. He's never going to get
Mexico to pay for that wall, you watch.

So what?


So he's that big of a fool.

His ideas are far better than anyone else.


Name 10 that are.


Getting rid of immigrunts.


Not even possible. And you are an immigrant.


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ridiculous and has ****ed half of us off.

All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.

Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it.

I meant that May wont be having a second referendum now.

If Scotland gets independance, we might try to rejoin.

No might about it, sure to do that, and will succeed in joining
too.

I doubt the EU will let us,

Corse they will when they let the dregs like Romania and Poland join.

The EU will disappear in it's entirety soon anyway.

Bet it doesn't. It may well end up rather different than it is
now, but its being doing that ever since it started anyway.

Ever since Brexit, the other countries are thinking about leaving too.

They were thinking about that long before BRexit.


Not according to the media.


The media is completely irrelevant and there was plenty
of the media reporting that other countrys had some
who wanted to leave line Marine Le Pen LONG before
the BRexit result. Even you should have noticed UKIP
and should even have noticed other MEPs who said
that they wanted their country to leave the EU too
and had go elected on that platform too.


So everything in the papers is a lie?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-Frexit-Grexit

The **** is about to hit the fan.

Nope, no one else will even get a
referendum on leaving, you watch.


Not according to the media.


The media is completely irrelevant on that.

Have fun listing even a single country where the politician
that decides that that country has a referendum will happen
has said that they should have a referendum on that or one
that say has a constitution that says that there will be a
referendum if say enough sign a petition to have one where
there is any prospect of enough signing that to get that.


That's the longest sentence I've ever seen.

Plenty countries are telling it to **** off.

Only one has had a majority vote to leave.

Only one has had a referendum so far.

And no one else will have a referendum, you watch.


Not according to the media.


Record's stuck.


You do it regularly.

It's a silly little failure of a club.

It has ensure that you stupid europeans don't try to rip
each others throats out in every single generation at vast
cost which bankrupts countrys stupid enough to try that.

You stupid europeans have been doing that for millennia
now and have finally come to your senses on that.

And a free trade area over the whole
of europe makes a lot of sense too.

You don't need a club for trade.

But you do need a formal agreement to have a FREE TRADE area.


No, you just need common sense.


Free trade agreements don't work like that.

There is no reason for any country in the entire world to charge any
customs.


Even sillier than you usually manage when a country
chooses to protect a local industry that would otherwise
not be able to compete very well with imports.


If the company can't compete, they should go under.

Have fun listing even a single country
that has a car industry that has no dutys
or tariffs on any cars or car components
except within a free trade areas which is
a subset of the entire world.


I never said they did, I said they should. Clearly free trade worked within the EU, so it could work worldwide.

And we don't want to be told what shape our bananas have to be, or what
wattage our vacuum cleaners must be.


No other free trade area has anything
even remotely like that stupidity.


Or anything like the EP either.


The EU does.


The word OTHER was there for a reason.


But it's the EU we want rid of.

Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.

I don't they care what you do.

And I thought you loved me.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic
fantasys.

Aren't I the only person who replies to your posts?

Nope. You're actually in a minority.

That's what I just said,

Nope. You are a minority of those who do reply to my posts.

Exactly, **** all people talk to you.

Lot more talk to me than talk to you.


Incorrect.


Nope. Only 3 people talk to you, me, Dave the
sot and that other person with the 3 letter name.


In my "replies to me" folder, I have (and this is only unread messages):

Rod Speed
Norman Wells
Meanie
Oren
Janet
Frank
rbowman
notbob
vidcapper
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
cahrles
GordonD
Peter T. Daniels
Tony Cooper
Peter Young
The Todal

[can't be bothered looking further through it]

And which of us has a "Who or what is Rod Speed" page?


That's there because I ****ed that fool over so very
comprehensively that its still desperately licking its
wounds quite literally DECADES after.


But so many people refer to that page.

And only Dave the sot and me reply to yours.

Funny how I can't keep up with replies to me.

Yes, you are that stupid.

And that's not funny, its pathetic.

You said hardly anyone replies to me, so why do I have hundreds of posts
in my replies folder?

Because you are so pathetic that you can't even
manage to keep up with the few you do get.


Maybe I have more of a life than you?


Mowing lawns, hoovering, watering your indoor plants ?

Yeah, right.


Those take up **** all time. Watering plants is 5 minutes every 3 days. Mowing lawns is half an hour every 2 weeks in the warmer half of the year. Hoovering is 10 minutes once a week.

And working class people arent necessarily poor people
anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

They make far more money than a dustman.

And are still working class anyway.

Money is what decides your class.

Wrong.

Nobody agrees:

Another lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class

Doesn't say anything like your ****.

Everybody knows that class is based on income.

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

What's wrong with it?

Everything.

You have no substance to your argument.

We all swooned at the substance in yours.


Now you're just contradicting instead of arguing.


Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?


I always make sure my argument has substance.

That's a sign of low intelligence that is.


You shouldn't be so hard on yourself, you might end
up topping yourself. Not that we'd mind if you did.


What a childish remark. I was clearly talking about you.

Snobs have huge mansions and speak like the Queen. Chavs live on
benefits and live in council flats.

And a chav that wins lotto etc is still a chav.

No,

Yep.

they get snobby and bigheaded.

Doesn't make them middle class.

Yes it does.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Money changes what you're like.

Didn't change me.


Aussies aren't human.


Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.


Yer all descendants of convicts, and Americans are all descendants of people who fled the UK.

Get one to help you before posting again.

If anyone is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.


I can't understand what 2 year olds say.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.

Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.

Correct.

So money doesn't decide your class.

Those people you listed have a medium amount of money.

Not those that end up with **** all because their ****ed up
their investments. They are still middle class with **** all money.

They become lower class when they live in a council flat.

Nope. And they don't live in council flats anyway.

If you have **** all, where else would you live?

Somewhere cheap, bludge off the relos usually
with the middle class fallen on hard times. They
wouldn't be seen dead in a council flat.

Might not have rich relos.

Don't need to be rich.


Can't bludge of those who aren't rich.


Corse you can. You can bludge of anyone who has
more than you do. Even chavs bludge off each other.


But you won't get much because they don't have much.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly
working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.

Depends what he gets paid.

Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.

If they get more money, they become snobbier.

Nope. They stay chavs.

Money corrupts.

Hasn't corrupted me.

What are your total assets?

Leaves yours for dead. I'm rolling in it.

I see, so you won't admit the number.

Yep, none of your business. And I don't want you chavs
showing up and trying to grab it, the rotty would makes
such a racket that it would wake the neighbours and using
the shotty on you would be even worse in that regard.

I can only assume that you aren't rich then.

Yes, you actually are that stupid.


You're hiding your alleged riches,


Nope. Everyone who knows me
personally knows I am rolling in it.


But as I said, you hide it from the group.

In spades with the kids who I told that if the bank wouldn't
lend them the money to buy the house they wanted, that
I would be happy to do a private mortgage instead.


I don't know your kids so I can't confirm that.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone
else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the torys
do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour increase
that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or
not.

It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes
to
fund
it.

Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.

Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix it.

And they cant fix it by getting more money out of you.

They fix it by stopping wasting money on things like te NHS and
child
benefits.

Not possible, they'd be out of a job if
they were stupid enough to do that.

Lots of voters would love to pay way less taxes.

Sure, but any polly actually stupid enough to wind up
the NHS and child benefits now would be out of a job so
fast that its feet wouldn't even touch the ****ing ground.

********.

Fact.

Plenty of us are fed up of paying for chavs' medical expenses and kids.

Sure, but nothing even remotely like enough
to get the NHS and child benefits scrapped.


They're on their way out.


Like hell the NHS is.


As long as we keep the Tories in, they will keep hacking away at it and reducing the money sucking system.

Loads would vote for such a change.

How odd that sweet **** all do for the libertarian partys
that have that as their policy. Bet you can't even name
them they are so completely politically irrelevant.

I once voted Libertarian. They rarely have an MP for me to vote for
though.

Which should tell even someone as stupid as you
what the electoral prospects are for them, even if
you were too stupid to notice how few votes those
too stupid to work that out actually got.


Everyone has to start somewhere.


And even you have noticed that they have given up after that result.


Or just for this mini election that was called too early.

Remove the drain on our money.

Remove your benefits, bludger.

If there were no benefits, people wouldn't be made poor in the first
place by huge taxes.

The real poor pay **** all in the way of taxes.


But they start out having a medium amount of money,


Nope, the real poor are those whose entire income is benefits
or less than that because they arent entitled to benefits.

and are taxed to death


Even a 20% VAT isnt taking them to death.


Its taking a fifth of their money. And plenty poor folk weren't always that poor.

making them poor.


They are already poor if their entire income is benefits
and those arent even taxed anyway. The govt just takes
some of what it pays them in benefits back in tax.


Which is utterly pointless paperwork.

They only pay the VAT and gambling
taxes and grog and cigarette taxes.


And so on and so forth.


There is no and so on and so forth with the
real poor whose entire income is benefits
and they don't actually pay any tax at all
anyway, the govt just takes back part of
what it hands them in benefits.

Taxes at every corner.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

And even a 20% VAT isnt going to make anyone
with a decent income poor, and isnt a huge tax.


It is when combined with all the others. 400% petrol tax FFS!


The real poor don't have cars so don't buy petrol.


Funny how the council estates round here are full of cars, parked on the street in the way. There was actually talk of providing cars to people on benefits as a human right!

They've just stopped child benefits for more than two kids.

And so they should. Completely stupid to be taxing everyone,
pumping that money thru the system and then straight back to
the same people the money was collected from in the first place.

There shouldn't be any child benefits for anyone
except those whose kids would starve without it.

And it shouldn't be possible to spend the benefits
on grog and cigarettes and gambling etc, just on
what those kids eat and clothes for them to wear etc.

Should be no benefits at all.

Most of the voters don't like seeing dead little kids in the gutter.

Most of the voters don't care for chavs breeding 10 kids each.

Which is why the torys eliminated the child benefits for more than 2
brats.

At last. Hopefully that's only the first step.

Not a chance, you watch.


First time it's reduced in my whole lifetime.


Another lie. Maggie did quite a bit of reducing of that.


Not that I noticed.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying
to
get rid of the debt the Labour government put us in.

Mindlessly simplistic.

But true.

Nope.

Prove it.

No need, its obvious.

It's obvious you're wrong.

Whatever.

Try some research.

Been doing that since long before you were even born, thanks.

Allegedly.

Even you should be able to find it cited.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...rity_programme


Irrelevant to what research I have been doing since before you were even
born.


Before I was born is not relevant to what the Tories are currently doing.

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news As for them wanting a SECOND independance referendum, that's
ridiculous and has ****ed half of us off.

All irrelevant now Britain is leaving the EU.

Not if Scotland separates and rejoins it.

I meant that May wont be having a second referendum now.

If Scotland gets independance, we might try to rejoin.

No might about it, sure to do that, and will succeed in joining
too.

I doubt the EU will let us,

Corse they will when they let the dregs like Romania and Poland
join.

The EU will disappear in it's entirety soon anyway.

Bet it doesn't. It may well end up rather different than it is
now, but its being doing that ever since it started anyway.

Ever since Brexit, the other countries are thinking about leaving too.

They were thinking about that long before BRexit.

Not according to the media.


The media is completely irrelevant and there was plenty
of the media reporting that other countrys had some
who wanted to leave line Marine Le Pen LONG before
the BRexit result. Even you should have noticed UKIP
and should even have noticed other MEPs who said
that they wanted their country to leave the EU too
and had go elected on that platform too.


So everything in the papers is a lie?


Nope, there will be an election in Britain quite soon
so the media did somehow manage to get that right.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-Frexit-Grexit


Just some ****wit journo that doesn't have a ****ing clue.
None of those will be leaving any time soon, you watch.

The **** is about to hit the fan.

Nope, no one else will even get a
referendum on leaving, you watch.


Not according to the media.


The media is completely irrelevant on that.

Have fun listing even a single country where the politician
that decides that that country has a referendum will happen
has said that they should have a referendum on that or one
that say has a constitution that says that there will be a
referendum if say enough sign a petition to have one where
there is any prospect of enough signing that to get that.


That's the longest sentence I've ever seen.


Then you need to get out more.

Plenty countries are telling it to **** off.

Only one has had a majority vote to leave.

Only one has had a referendum so far.

And no one else will have a referendum, you watch.

Not according to the media.


Record's stuck.


You do it regularly.

It's a silly little failure of a club.

It has ensure that you stupid europeans don't try to rip
each others throats out in every single generation at vast
cost which bankrupts countrys stupid enough to try that.

You stupid europeans have been doing that for millennia
now and have finally come to your senses on that.

And a free trade area over the whole
of europe makes a lot of sense too.

You don't need a club for trade.

But you do need a formal agreement to have a FREE TRADE area.

No, you just need common sense.


Free trade agreements don't work like that.

There is no reason for any country in the entire world to charge any
customs.


Even sillier than you usually manage when a country
chooses to protect a local industry that would otherwise
not be able to compete very well with imports.


If the company can't compete, they should go under.


Plenty feel otherwise. You get to like that or lump it.

Have fun listing even a single country
that has a car industry that has no dutys
or tariffs on any cars or car components
except within a free trade areas which is
a subset of the entire world.


I never said they did, I said they should.


Plenty feel otherwise. You get to like that or lump it.

Clearly free trade worked within the EU,


Which is nothing like a diverse as the entire world.

so it could work worldwide.


Using that mindlessly silly line, free movement of people
worked within the EU and so would work world wide.

Fraid not.

And we don't want to be told what shape our bananas have to be, or
what wattage our vacuum cleaners must be.


No other free trade area has anything
even remotely like that stupidity.


Or anything like the EP either.


The EU does.


The word OTHER was there for a reason.


But it's the EU we want rid of.


Duh.

Since I'm English by blood, I may just leave.

I don't they care what you do.

And I thought you loved me.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic
fantasys.

Aren't I the only person who replies to your posts?

Nope. You're actually in a minority.

That's what I just said,

Nope. You are a minority of those who do reply to my posts.

Exactly, **** all people talk to you.

Lot more talk to me than talk to you.

Incorrect.


Nope. Only 3 people talk to you, me, Dave the
sot and that other person with the 3 letter name.


And which of us has a "Who or what is Rod Speed" page?


That's there because I ****ed that fool over so very
comprehensively that its still desperately licking its
wounds quite literally DECADES after.


But so many people refer to that page.


**** all do.

And only Dave the sot and me reply to yours.

Funny how I can't keep up with replies to me.

Yes, you are that stupid.

And that's not funny, its pathetic.

You said hardly anyone replies to me, so why do I have hundreds of
posts
in my replies folder?

Because you are so pathetic that you can't even
manage to keep up with the few you do get.

Maybe I have more of a life than you?


Mowing lawns, hoovering, watering your indoor plants ?

Yeah, right.


Those take up **** all time.


Plenty better things to do with that time.

Watering plants is 5 minutes every 3 days. Mowing lawns is half an hour
every 2 weeks in the warmer half of the year. Hoovering is 10 minutes
once a week.


All of them a complete waste of time.

And working class people arent necessarily poor
people
anyway.

That's what it means.

Nope, it JUST means they do that sort of work.

And that sort of work doesn't pay much.

Irrelevant to what is working class.

And quite a bit of working class work
pays very well indeed, particularly in
the oil and gas industry and mining etc.

I'd call them middle class.

More fool you. A drill rigger isnt middle class.

They make far more money than a dustman.

And are still working class anyway.

Money is what decides your class.

Wrong.

Nobody agrees:

Another lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class

Doesn't say anything like your ****.

Everybody knows that class is based on income.

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

What's wrong with it?

Everything.

You have no substance to your argument.

We all swooned at the substance in yours.


Now you're just contradicting instead of arguing.


Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?


I always make sure my argument has substance.


It never does so you are a complete failure at that too.

That's a sign of low intelligence that is.


You shouldn't be so hard on yourself, you might end
up topping yourself. Not that we'd mind if you did.

Snobs have huge mansions and speak like the Queen. Chavs live on
benefits and live in council flats.

And a chav that wins lotto etc is still a chav.

No,

Yep.

they get snobby and bigheaded.

Doesn't make them middle class.

Yes it does.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Money changes what you're like.

Didn't change me.

Aussies aren't human.


Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.


Yer all descendants of convicts, and Americans are all descendants of
people who fled the UK.


Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

Get one to help you before posting again.

If anyone is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.


I can't understand what 2 year olds say.


Your problem, as always.

Middle class people do not have to run their own business.

Yes, clearly anglican ministers, doctors employed by the
NHS, managers working for a salary etc are all middle class.

Correct.

So money doesn't decide your class.

Those people you listed have a medium amount of money.

Not those that end up with **** all because their ****ed up
their investments. They are still middle class with **** all
money.

They become lower class when they live in a council flat.

Nope. And they don't live in council flats anyway.

If you have **** all, where else would you live?

Somewhere cheap, bludge off the relos usually
with the middle class fallen on hard times. They
wouldn't be seen dead in a council flat.

Might not have rich relos.

Don't need to be rich.

Can't bludge of those who aren't rich.


Corse you can. You can bludge off anyone who has
more than you do. Even chavs bludge off each other.


But you won't get much because they don't have much.


Your problem.

Adam certainly isnt.

Then he isn't working class.

Corse an electrician is working class.

There's an electrician three doors down from me. Hardly
working
class.
He runs his own business and owns three properties.

Adam doesn't do that.

Thought he was in charge of underlings?

Foremen are still working class. And in the past
most of the working class had apprentices and
that's the only underlings he has.

Depends what he gets paid.

Nope, there have always been some of the working
class that get much better paid than the dregs of the
working class. Its what they do that determine whether
they are middle class or working class or a toff.

If they get more money, they become snobbier.

Nope. They stay chavs.

Money corrupts.

Hasn't corrupted me.

What are your total assets?

Leaves yours for dead. I'm rolling in it.

I see, so you won't admit the number.

Yep, none of your business. And I don't want you chavs
showing up and trying to grab it, the rotty would makes
such a racket that it would wake the neighbours and using
the shotty on you would be even worse in that regard.

I can only assume that you aren't rich then.

Yes, you actually are that stupid.

You're hiding your alleged riches,


Nope. Everyone who knows me
personally knows I am rolling in it.


But as I said, you hide it from the group.


Nope, just don't say anything about it.

In spades with the kids who I told that if the bank wouldn't
lend them the money to buy the house they wanted, that
I would be happy to do a private mortgage instead.


I don't know your kids so I can't confirm that.


You have always been and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

They want handouts.

Corse you never ever do that yourself, eh ?

I take whatever's available, I'm a scrounger at
heart.

And yet you don't vote Labour.

Because I don't want any money I earn to go to someone
else.

It does anyway.

Moreso with Labour.

Nope, they don't get any more tax out of you than the
torys
do.

Tories are making cutbacks to the NHS etc. Labour
increase
that
spending.

Irrelevant to whether labour got more money out of you or
not.

It's very relevant. If they spend more they need more taxes
to
fund
it.

Nope, they just run up the deficit. And since you are a
tax avoider, they don't get more money out of you anyway.

Labour run up the defecit then the tories have to try to fix
it.

And they cant fix it by getting more money out of you.

They fix it by stopping wasting money on things like te NHS and
child
benefits.

Not possible, they'd be out of a job if
they were stupid enough to do that.

Lots of voters would love to pay way less taxes.

Sure, but any polly actually stupid enough to wind up
the NHS and child benefits now would be out of a job so
fast that its feet wouldn't even touch the ****ing ground.

********.

Fact.

Plenty of us are fed up of paying for chavs' medical expenses and
kids.

Sure, but nothing even remotely like enough
to get the NHS and child benefits scrapped.


They're on their way out.


Like hell the NHS is.


As long as we keep the Tories in, they will keep hacking away at it and
reducing the money sucking system.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

Loads would vote for such a change.

How odd that sweet **** all do for the libertarian partys
that have that as their policy. Bet you can't even name
them they are so completely politically irrelevant.

I once voted Libertarian. They rarely have an MP for me to vote for
though.

Which should tell even someone as stupid as you
what the electoral prospects are for them, even if
you were too stupid to notice how few votes those
too stupid to work that out actually got.


Everyone has to start somewhere.


And even you have noticed that they have given up after that result.


Or just for this mini election that was called too early.


Nope, they wont be running in the next one either.

And it only takes an hour or two to be a candidate this
time, even you could manage it if someone was actually
stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white
cane and you had had enough of a clue to realise that
an election would happen sometime.

Remove the drain on our money.

Remove your benefits, bludger.

If there were no benefits, people wouldn't be made poor in the first
place by huge taxes.

The real poor pay **** all in the way of taxes.


But they start out having a medium amount of money,


Nope, the real poor are those whose entire income is benefits
or less than that because they arent entitled to benefits.

and are taxed to death


Even a 20% VAT isnt taking them to death.


Its taking a fifth of their money.


Nope, its taking back much less than a fifth of what
the govt hands them because quite a bit of stuff
doesn't have VAT to pay.

And plenty poor folk weren't always that poor.


Irrelevant.

making them poor.


They are already poor if their entire income is benefits
and those arent even taxed anyway. The govt just takes
some of what it pays them in benefits back in tax.


Which is utterly pointless paperwork.


Sure, but it would be even more pointless paperwork
to not have those whose entire income is benefits not
paying any VAT or any other govt charges. Lot simpler
to increase what they get handed and have them pay
what everyone else pays.

They only pay the VAT and gambling
taxes and grog and cigarette taxes.


And so on and so forth.


There is no and so on and so forth with the
real poor whose entire income is benefits
and they don't actually pay any tax at all
anyway, the govt just takes back part of
what it hands them in benefits.

Taxes at every corner.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

And even a 20% VAT isnt going to make anyone
with a decent income poor, and isnt a huge tax.


It is when combined with all the others. 400% petrol tax FFS!


The real poor don't have cars so don't buy petrol.


Funny how the council estates round here are full of cars, parked on the
street in the way.


Because plenty of those in council estates arent poor people.

There was actually talk of providing cars to people on benefits as a human
right!


Only by fools.

They've just stopped child benefits for more than two kids.

And so they should. Completely stupid to be taxing everyone,
pumping that money thru the system and then straight back to
the same people the money was collected from in the first place.

There shouldn't be any child benefits for anyone
except those whose kids would starve without it.

And it shouldn't be possible to spend the benefits
on grog and cigarettes and gambling etc, just on
what those kids eat and clothes for them to wear etc.

Should be no benefits at all.

Most of the voters don't like seeing dead little kids in the
gutter.

Most of the voters don't care for chavs breeding 10 kids each.

Which is why the torys eliminated the child benefits for more than 2
brats.

At last. Hopefully that's only the first step.

Not a chance, you watch.

First time it's reduced in my whole lifetime.


Another lie. Maggie did quite a bit of reducing of that.


Not that I noticed.


No surprises there.

The only reason the Tories don't cut taxes is they're trying
to
get rid of the debt the Labour government put us in.

Mindlessly simplistic.

But true.

Nope.

Prove it.

No need, its obvious.

It's obvious you're wrong.

Whatever.

Try some research.

Been doing that since long before you were even born, thanks.

Allegedly.

Even you should be able to find it cited.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...rity_programme


Irrelevant to what research I have been doing since before you were even
born.


Before I was born is not relevant to what the Tories are currently doing.


Irrelevant to what research I have done.



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news Labour are stupid.

All politicians are stupid.

Yes, which is why there should be a place to vote for "none" on the
ballot
papers.

No point in farting around with a ballot paper, just don't vote.

That supplies no information,

It supplys the information that you arent interest in voting.

They don't care.

Neither would they with your stupid system,
they'd just ignore the fools that tick your box.


Not if it was made as valid a choice as any of the MPs.


Corse they would just ignore that.


Not if they'd put it there.

They just multiply the votes up to the population.

Like hell they do.


What on earth do you think they do?


Work out who got the most votes and that one gets to be the MP.

Even you should have been able to work that out. Obviously not.


Same thing.

If 70% of the population vote, they just use those votes to decide the
outcome of the election.


So there is no multiply involved.


It is if you think about it.

and they simply act on the results from those who do vote.

They would do that even if there was a
place to vote none on the ballot paper.

If we had a "none" entry, then there would be the possibility of no
arsehole controlling us.

Nope, because even you should have noticed that no
polly would ever be stupid enough to have a system
where, if there were enough none votes in a particular
seat, that seat would remain without a member.

And pollys don't control us, we decide if they
get the bums rush at the ballot box or not.

They do control us if what you say is true.

Even sillier than you usually manage. You don't even have
compulsory voting so you are free to not vote whenever you like.


But it has no effect. We are forced to have politicians.


Because that works better than mob rule.


Says who? We never get to vote for mob rule.

99% of what politicians do hinders us not helps us.


You'd never have got any benefits without
them and would have ended up dead.


I'd also have paid no ****ing taxes and be a lot better off.

And I'd say a very large number of people just hate all politicians
equally


**** all are that stupid.


A large number actually. Consider all those who don't vote.

and would sooner vote for nobody.


Makes more sense to not vote if you arent interest in politics
or have decided that none of those you can vote for are any use.


But that serves no purpose. You just end up with the politician that others vote for.

And no one controls you anyway, we get to give them the
bums rush at the ballot box if they **** up badly enough.


And vote in someone equally ****.


You just said that the torys are doing better because they
pulled the plug on child benefits for more than 2 brats.

Can't even manage a consistent line in mindless silly bull****.


There's not that much difference between them.

Brilliant....


Even you should have noticed what happened
to Blair and Brown and their parasites.


To be replaced with more morons.


You just said that the torys are doing better because they
pulled the plug on child benefits for more than 2 brats.

Can't even manage a consistent line in mindless silly bull****.


The record's stuck.

What's wrong with freedom? Why should we have anyone in charge?

No one is in charge.

Govts don't control a damned thing.

They create the laws we have to follow

Nope, we are free to change who the
govt is and get the laws we want instead.


To another equally **** government.


You just said that the torys are doing better because they
pulled the plug on child benefits for more than 2 brats.

Can't even manage a consistent line in mindless silly bull****.


The record's still stuck.

or their police come after us.

How odd that they don't when you flout the road laws.


They do, I'm just good enough to avoid the ****s.


They clearly don't control even how you drive.


They try. I'm just smarter than they are.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote
Tory,
but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.

Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'

They are evenly scattered,

Like hell they are.

I've looked on the internet, they are everywhere.

But not EVENLY SCATTERED.

Pretty much so.

Nothing even remotely.

Cite.

The census.

Link?

Even you should be able to use google to find that.

I'm not going to do stuff as basic as that for you.


I've looked before. The census isn't that detailed.


Bull**** it isnt.

You want to prove your point, you show me the link.


Go and **** yourself, again.


Lazy.

Prove otherwise.

Look at the census data.

Gimme a link.

Even you should be able to find that yourself.

Have done in the past and there are chavs everywhere.

But nothing even remotely like EVENLY SCATTERED.

Even you should have noticed that there are a
lot more in the council estates or the worst of
the Glasgow slums than around Buck House etc.

I've looked at stats on the internet, and was surprised to find they are
everywhere.

Not EVENLY DISTRIBUTED they arent.


Yes they are.


Then you wont have any trouble citing the evidence for that.


My experience.

I thought there were a lot here, but apparently they're all over the
place.

Not EVENLY DISTRIBUTED they arent.


Yes they are.


Then you wont have any trouble citing the evidence for that.

And stop repeating yourself.


Go and **** yourself, again.


Got nothing more interesting to say?

therefore there are no such stats.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for them
too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.

Nope, they don't bother to vote.

They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.

They don't bother to vote.

Prove it.

Look at the percentage who bother to vote.

2/3rds isn't it?

Varys with what is going on politically.

Not by much.

By a hell of a lot actually.

The same third are to lazy to vote.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

They have no interest in politics and realise that
who gets elected is almost completely irrelevant.

No, they're just thick or ignorant or lazy.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

They have no interest in politics and realise that
who gets elected is almost completely irrelevant.


Precisely my point further up.


Nope. Its only a minority that believe that.


All those who don't vote believe that.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,

But those don't vote tory, you watch.

Nobody else to vote for.

They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.

Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.

Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to leave
the
EU.

Scots aren't that bright. They can't even talk properly.

And didn't even manage to invent pants, or underware.

Underwear is pointless unless you have some kind of problem of being
really smelly.

You run the same stupid line about clothes.

Different reason. Clothes are not needed in warm blooded mammals.

You wouldn't last long in the artic or Antarctic without them.

Try it. Please.

Shivering won't kill me,

No clothes outside in the Artic or Antarctic will.

Try it. Please.


Look up warm blooded you ignorant fool.


Look up all those who have died in the snow and
after they have fallen into freezing water, ****wit.


Probably drowned or eaten by bears.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have
realised
this
now.

Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.

Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?

Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.

Scots are so stupid as to vote for anyone who claims to make
Scotland
more
important than the UK. Patriotic idiots....

They did get a lot more out of the english that way.

Yip, the English are quite gullible.

Not gullible so much as that they didn't want Scotland to leave.

That;'s because they're stupid. They would have ended up losing a
drain
on their money.

Just as true of the dregs of any country.

Hardly any of them are happy for them to leave tho.

Scotland saps money form England. Why would England want to keep us?

Because that is where quite a bit of the gas comes from,


In the entire world?!


What england uses.


They are free to buy from any other country.

where they keep Trident,


Easy enough to move it.


Nope, no one is actually stupid enough to want
to live near what is absolutely certain to be the
target of nukes if the **** ever does hit the fan.


Not my problem.

where Liz and Phil choose to posture quite a bit of the time, presumably
because that is where her mum came from, etc etc etc.


Hardly the end of the world if they can't.


Sure, but hardly the end of the world
if scotland stays in britain either.


We steal all their money.

I'm sure they'd prefer the dryer English countryside.


They don't.


Probly because England is full of immigrunts, no countryside left.

Too stupid to do what the Romans did, have a wall to keep them out.

Even that fool Trump worked that one out.

Trump is not a fool.

Corse he is. He's never going to get
Mexico to pay for that wall, you watch.

So what?

So he's that big of a fool.

His ideas are far better than anyone else.

Name 10 that are.


Getting rid of immigrunts.


Not even possible.


Why not?

And you are an immigrant.


I was born here.

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news Labour are stupid.

All politicians are stupid.

Yes, which is why there should be a place to vote for "none" on
the
ballot
papers.

No point in farting around with a ballot paper, just don't vote.

That supplies no information,

It supplys the information that you arent interest in voting.

They don't care.

Neither would they with your stupid system,
they'd just ignore the fools that tick your box.


Not if it was made as valid a choice as any of the MPs.


Corse they would just ignore that.


Not if they'd put it there.


Corse they would still just ignore it, just like they do with the
loony partys that never have a hope in hell of getting elected.

They just multiply the votes up to the population.

Like hell they do.

What on earth do you think they do?


Work out who got the most votes and that one gets to be the MP.

Even you should have been able to work that out. Obviously not.


Same thing.


Nope. Nothing even remotely like it.

If 70% of the population vote, they just use those votes to decide the
outcome of the election.


So there is no multiply involved.


It is if you think about it.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

and they simply act on the results from those who do vote.

They would do that even if there was a
place to vote none on the ballot paper.

If we had a "none" entry, then there would be the possibility of no
arsehole controlling us.

Nope, because even you should have noticed that no
polly would ever be stupid enough to have a system
where, if there were enough none votes in a particular
seat, that seat would remain without a member.

And pollys don't control us, we decide if they
get the bums rush at the ballot box or not.

They do control us if what you say is true.

Even sillier than you usually manage. You don't even have
compulsory voting so you are free to not vote whenever you like.


But it has no effect. We are forced to have politicians.


Because that works better than mob rule.


Says who?


Anyone who has ever had a look at mob rule.

We never get to vote for mob rule.


It happens at times anyway.

99% of what politicians do hinders us not helps us.


You'd never have got any benefits without
them and would have ended up dead.


I'd also have paid no ****ing taxes


Corse you would have, those imposed by the mob.

That's what happens with mob rule.

and be a lot better off.


We'd be a lot better off with you dead, certainly.

And I'd say a very large number of people just hate all politicians
equally


**** all are that stupid.


A large number actually.


**** all hate all politicians EQUALLY.

Even you have noticed that the Torys arent quite as bad as Labour.

Consider all those who don't vote.


Most of those arent interested in politics and plenty of them
have enough of a clue to have noticed that their vote will not
make the slightest difference and plenty more don't get who
gets to be the govt because they have noticed that there isnt
a huge difference between the result they get whoever wins.

and would sooner vote for nobody.


Makes more sense to not vote if you arent interest in politics
or have decided that none of those you can vote for are any use.


But that serves no purpose.


Same with voting any way you vote.

You just end up with the politician that others vote for.


Just as true of voting for anyone. Your one vote is completely
irrelevant to who gets to be your MP, let alone which party
gets to be the govt.

And no one controls you anyway, we get to give them the
bums rush at the ballot box if they **** up badly enough.


And vote in someone equally ****.


You just said that the torys are doing better because they
pulled the plug on child benefits for more than 2 brats.

Can't even manage a consistent line in mindless silly bull****.


There's not that much difference between them.


Sure, and that's why so many don't bother to vote.

Doesn't mean that they are actually stupid
enough to prefer mob rule and no govt at all.

Brilliant....


Even you should have noticed what happened
to Blair and Brown and their parasites.


To be replaced with more morons.


You just said that the torys are doing better because they
pulled the plug on child benefits for more than 2 brats.

Can't even manage a consistent line in mindless silly bull****.


The record's stuck.


Can't even manage its own lines or to get a viable job either.

What's wrong with freedom? Why should we have anyone in charge?

No one is in charge.

Govts don't control a damned thing.

They create the laws we have to follow

Nope, we are free to change who the
govt is and get the laws we want instead.


To another equally **** government.


You just said that the torys are doing better because they
pulled the plug on child benefits for more than 2 brats.

Can't even manage a consistent line in mindless silly bull****.


The record's still stuck.


Can't even manage its own lines or to get a viable job either.

or their police come after us.

How odd that they don't when you flout the road laws.

They do, I'm just good enough to avoid the ****s.


They clearly don't control even how you drive.


They try. I'm just smarter than they are.


Nope, its impossible to stop all flouting of the road rules.

Just enough to appease the chav masses.

They don't vote tory anyway.

Ok, the ones who are slightly better off than that, vote
Tory,
but
still
care for their chav relations.

Hardly any of the chav masses bother to vote at all.

Cite.

Look at the voting stats where the chav masses 'live'

They are evenly scattered,

Like hell they are.

I've looked on the internet, they are everywhere.

But not EVENLY SCATTERED.

Pretty much so.

Nothing even remotely.

Cite.

The census.

Link?

Even you should be able to use google to find that.

I'm not going to do stuff as basic as that for you.

I've looked before. The census isn't that detailed.


Bull**** it isnt.

You want to prove your point, you show me the link.


Go and **** yourself, again.


Lazy.


Any 2 year old could leave that for dead.

Prove otherwise.

Look at the census data.

Gimme a link.

Even you should be able to find that yourself.

Have done in the past and there are chavs everywhere.

But nothing even remotely like EVENLY SCATTERED.

Even you should have noticed that there are a
lot more in the council estates or the worst of
the Glasgow slums than around Buck House etc.

I've looked at stats on the internet, and was surprised to find they
are
everywhere.

Not EVENLY DISTRIBUTED they arent.

Yes they are.


Then you wont have any trouble citing the evidence for that.


My experience.


You have no experience what so ever on that.

I thought there were a lot here, but apparently they're all over the
place.

Not EVENLY DISTRIBUTED they arent.

Yes they are.


Then you wont have any trouble citing the evidence for that.

And stop repeating yourself.


Go and **** yourself, again.


Got nothing more interesting to say?


Pathetic excuses for trolls don't qualify.

therefore there are no such stats.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Or maybe the Tories want the chavs to start voting for
them
too?

Corse they do, but it doesn't matter what
they want, it isnt going to happen.

Giving them more money will help.

Nope, they don't bother to vote.

They will vote for whoever gives them the most benefits.

They don't bother to vote.

Prove it.

Look at the percentage who bother to vote.

2/3rds isn't it?

Varys with what is going on politically.

Not by much.

By a hell of a lot actually.

The same third are to lazy to vote.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

They have no interest in politics and realise that
who gets elected is almost completely irrelevant.

No, they're just thick or ignorant or lazy.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

They have no interest in politics and realise that
who gets elected is almost completely irrelevant.

Precisely my point further up.


Nope. Its only a minority that believe that.


All those who don't vote believe that.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

I mean the other alternative in Scotland is SNP,

Yep, its only the toffs that vote tory in scotland
and there are only enough of those to get a
couple of torys elected.

A lot of Scots are ****ed off with the SNP,

But those don't vote tory, you watch.

Nobody else to vote for.

They wont vote, you watch.

hopefully they won't all vote SNP next time.

They are in fact much more likely to do that next
time because most of them are actually stupid
enough to want to stay in the EU and SNP wants
that and the torys have noticed that the majority
of voters who bothered to vote voted to leave
and decided to do what they voted for.

Actually most of the remoaners are in London, not Scotland.

Irrelevant to the fact that most in scotland don't want to
leave
the
EU.

Scots aren't that bright. They can't even talk properly.

And didn't even manage to invent pants, or underware.

Underwear is pointless unless you have some kind of problem of
being
really smelly.

You run the same stupid line about clothes.

Different reason. Clothes are not needed in warm blooded mammals.

You wouldn't last long in the artic or Antarctic without them.

Try it. Please.

Shivering won't kill me,

No clothes outside in the Artic or Antarctic will.

Try it. Please.


Look up warm blooded you ignorant fool.


Look up all those who have died in the snow and
after they have fallen into freezing water, ****wit.


Probably drowned or eaten by bears.


No bears in the antarctic.

and we all know she ****ed things up royally.

But you lot vote SNP anyway if you do bother to vote.

SNP are communist arseholes, hopefully most of us have
realised
this
now.

Even if they have, they will vote for them anyway, you watch.

Why would anyone vote for an arsehole?

Because they like the alternatives even less.

There is no other possible explanation for why
scotland has returned almost no one except the SNP.

Scots are so stupid as to vote for anyone who claims to make
Scotland
more
important than the UK. Patriotic idiots....

They did get a lot more out of the english that way.

Yip, the English are quite gullible.

Not gullible so much as that they didn't want Scotland to leave.

That;'s because they're stupid. They would have ended up losing a
drain
on their money.

Just as true of the dregs of any country.

Hardly any of them are happy for them to leave tho.

Scotland saps money form England. Why would England want to keep us?

Because that is where quite a bit of the gas comes from,

In the entire world?!


What england uses.


They are free to buy from any other country.


Nope, most don't have any way to export gas.

where they keep Trident,


Easy enough to move it.


Nope, no one is actually stupid enough to want
to live near what is absolutely certain to be the
target of nukes if the **** ever does hit the fan.


Not my problem.


But that means they cant move them there.

where Liz and Phil choose to posture quite a bit of the time,
presumably
because that is where her mum came from, etc etc etc.


Hardly the end of the world if they can't.


Sure, but hardly the end of the world
if scotland stays in britain either.


We steal all their money.


Not even possible.

I'm sure they'd prefer the dryer English countryside.


They don't.


Probly because England is full of immigrunts, no countryside left.


Even sillier than you usually manage.

Too stupid to do what the Romans did, have a wall to keep them out.

Even that fool Trump worked that one out.

Trump is not a fool.

Corse he is. He's never going to get
Mexico to pay for that wall, you watch.

So what?

So he's that big of a fool.

His ideas are far better than anyone else.

Name 10 that are.

Getting rid of immigrunts.


Not even possible.


Why not?


The whole ****ing country is immigrants,
just immigrated at different times.

And you are an immigrant.


I was born here.


Not all your ancestors did, so you are the spawn of immigrants.

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