[Harry Bloomfield[_3_]]

Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to
the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension
ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as
to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but
filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working
level on.

No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at
the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to
the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension
ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as
to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but
filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working
level on.

No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at
the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.

That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of
all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm.

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[bm[_2_]]

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to
the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension
ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as
to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but
filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working
level on.

No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at
the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.

That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of
all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm.

It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end to
Brexit.
McDonnell knows it.

[Harry Bloomfield[_3_]]

bm presented the following explanation :
It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end to
Brexit.
McDonnell knows it.

When ??? Seems very unlikely to me..

[RJH[_2_]]

On 02/05/2017 15:39, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
bm presented the following explanation :
It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end
to Brexit.
McDonnell knows it.

When ??? Seems very unlikely to me..

If somehow Labour can hint at an exit Brexit option they may well have a
chance at the election.

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[bm[_2_]]

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
bm presented the following explanation :
It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end to
Brexit.
McDonnell knows it.

When ??? Seems very unlikely to me..

McDonnell is certain that they'll win. At PMQ's last week, whilst admiring
his leader, he was shouting "bring it on, bring it on".

Incidentally, i'm taking the ****.

[Martin Barclay[_2_]]

On Tue, 02 May 2017 14:05:30 +0100, bm wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to
the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension
ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as
to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but
filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working
level on.

No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at
the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.

That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of
all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm.

It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end to
Brexit.
McDonnell knows it.

McDonnell would take the UK back to the 1970s.
Strikes, RedRobbo (remember him?) etc.
He'd probably support the return of the IRA too, & introduce Mao's Little
Red Book into schools.
Lovely!

[Mark]

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the
roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders
leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support
a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a
board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on.

No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at
the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.

They were called suicide brackets years ago
I pointed a 3story flank wall off them when I still had a disregard for H+S
and no fear of heights

-

[Jim]

Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to
the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension
ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as
to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but
filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working
level on.

No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at
the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.


Polish?
Seen French troughing fitters work off similar lashed up nonsenses.
--
Jim K


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[Harry Bloomfield[_3_]]

jim expressed precisely :
Polish?

Quite possibly, I wasn't able to read the signage on the van, due to
the angle.

Seen French troughing fitters work off similar lashed up nonsenses.

[critcher[_5_]]

On 02/05/2017 16:58, Martin Barclay wrote:
On Tue, 02 May 2017 14:05:30 +0100, bm wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,


That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of
all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm.

It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end to
Brexit.
McDonnell knows it.

McDonnell would take the UK back to the 1970s.
Strikes, RedRobbo (remember him?) etc.
He'd probably support the return of the IRA too, & introduce Mao's Little
Red Book into schools.
Lovely!


like we don't have strikes now !!!

[Dennis@home]

On 02/05/2017 13:35, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to
the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension
ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as
to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but
filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working
level on.

No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at
the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.

That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of
all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm.


Its one of the few freedoms they really hope for, the ability to kill
others without breaking the silly EU rules.

Shame that the EU doesn't make the rules.
Its more down to insurance companies these days.

[Vir Campestris]

On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!!

You don't remember the 1970s do you.

Andy

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!!

You don't remember the 1970s do you.

I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign
owners tend to value their workforce rather more.

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[John Rumm]

On 02/05/2017 17:07, Mark wrote:
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the
roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders
leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support
a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a
board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on.

No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at
the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.

They were called suicide brackets years ago

aka a "Ladder Cripple"

(you can still get posh versions that have added guard rails etc)

http://www.ladderstore.com/high-leve...m-5-metre.html

I pointed a 3story flank wall off them when I still had a disregard for H+S
and no fear of heights



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John.

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[Halmyre]

On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 2:44:48 AM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 02/05/2017 17:07, Mark wrote:
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the
roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders
leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support
a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a
board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on.

No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at
the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.

They were called suicide brackets years ago

aka a "Ladder Cripple"

(you can still get posh versions that have added guard rails etc)

http://www.ladderstore.com/high-leve...m-5-metre.html



Blimey, £700 and ladders and stabilisers (and toe board) not included?! I like the comment in the review "Don't forget to charge your customers as if you had hired it and then you will be well in profit." I'll remember that next time I get an estimate for work done on my house, I'll want to see the price for hiring of staging, etc.!

On a similar subject, I spent a couple of hours last weekend perched on the very top step of an aluminium ladder with a long handled brush in one hand and a hose in the other, cleaning the mossy crud off the top of a caravan. T'was a bit wobbly...

[Harry Bloomfield[_3_]]

Halmyre presented the following explanation :
On a similar subject, I spent a couple of hours last weekend perched on the
very top step of an aluminium ladder with a long handled brush in one hand
and a hose in the other, cleaning the mossy crud off the top of a caravan.
T'was a bit wobbly...

I park the caravan tight up to the garage and work from it's flat roof.
Then for the far out of reach bits, I put board over the caravan's
roof.

[Jim]

Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
jim expressed precisely :
Polish?

Quite possibly, I wasn't able to read the signage on the van, due to
the angle.

:-)
I doubt that would have been in Polish.

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[Harry Bloomfield[_3_]]

jim brought next idea :
Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
jim expressed precisely :
Polish?

Quite possibly, I wasn't able to read the signage on the van, due to
the angle.

:-)
I doubt that would have been in Polish.

I doubt the longevity of the work too, they did the entire wall in two
days and I saw no attempt to cut out the old mortar :-)

[Brian Gaff]

Maybe they are ex Circus performers?

Brian

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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to the
roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension ladders
leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as to support
a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but filled by a
board. A third double extension to climb up to working level on.

No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at
the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.

[harry]

On Tuesday, 2 May 2017 11:13:21 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to
the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension
ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as
to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but
filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working
level on.

No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at
the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.

Pole I'spect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVkvhtgk8T8

[Harry Bloomfield[_3_]]

John Rumm expressed precisely :
aka a "Ladder Cripple"

(you can still get posh versions that have added guard rails etc)

http://www.ladderstore.com/high-leve...m-5-metre.html

That, but with just the brackets and board, no kick boards, no safety
rail. There was also no stabilisers on the ladders, because there was
no space between the wall and a garage to use them.

[Andrew[_22_]]

On 03/05/2017 00:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!!

You don't remember the 1970s do you.

I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign
owners tend to value their workforce rather more.


Tell that to the ex-Rowntree and/or cadbury workers who have seen the
products they used to make in the UK, have production moved to
Poland and other places.

[Richard[_10_]]

"Andrew" wrote in message news

On 03/05/2017 00:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!!

You don't remember the 1970s do you.

I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign
owners tend to value their workforce rather more.


Tell that to the ex-Rowntree and/or cadbury workers who have seen the
products they used to make in the UK, have production moved to
Poland and other places.

Don't worry, Dave will blame the previous owners for selling.

[critcher[_5_]]

On 02/05/2017 21:10, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!!

You don't remember the 1970s do you.

Andy


I was in them

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article ,
RJH writes:
On 02/05/2017 15:39, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
bm presented the following explanation :
It's not gonna happen, Dave. When Corbyn gets elected he'll put an end
to Brexit.
McDonnell knows it.

When ??? Seems very unlikely to me..

If somehow Labour can hint at an exit Brexit option they may well have a
chance at the election.

Labour can't win either way on brexit/remain from a numbers perspective.
Their traditional voters are split 1/3rd brexit, 2/3rds remain.
However, the brexit 1/3rd were more heavily on the left, where the party
has decided to concentrate its direction, at the cost of losing its more
centre voters. If it were to move to a remain position, it would lose
both its left and centre voters. (It's already thought it's lost a
significant part of its left to Conservatives, purely because they don't
think Labour is brexit enough, and they feel more strongly about brexit
than they do about Labour/socialism.)

This shows the difference in position between the Labour Party members,
and the traditional Labour voters.

Conserveratives have exactly the same issue in mirror image. However,
Conservative remainers are much less likely to vote non-Conservative
than Labour brexiters are likey to vote non-Labour. Conservatives will
almost certainly lose some seats to LibDems, but nowhere near as many
as they stand to gain from Labour (bearing in mind they'll probably
get all 5M UKIP votes too).

If Labour were nearer the centre (e.g. New Labour), then a Labour
remain stance would work from a figures perspective, because it would
match the views of a much larger number of traditional Labour voters,
and they could steal the Conservative remainers, and probably all the
LibDem votes too.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield writes:
jim brought next idea :
Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
jim expressed precisely :
Polish?

Quite possibly, I wasn't able to read the signage on the van, due to
the angle.

:-)
I doubt that would have been in Polish.

I doubt the longevity of the work too, they did the entire wall in two
days and I saw no attempt to cut out the old mortar :-)

If you didn't see an angle grinder, they might actually have known
what they were doing.

--
Andrew Gabriel
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[Rod Speed]

"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
On 02/05/2017 13:35, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Just spotted a couple of guys, with a signed up Transit, doing some
pointing on a semi gable end wall, type where the wall continues up to
the roof apex and pointing right up to the apex. Two double extension
ladders leaning against the wall, with metal brackets at the top, so as
to support a walk board level. The walk board like an alloy ladder, but
filled by a board. A third double extension to climb up to working
level on.

No safety ropes, no kick boards nothing and there they were pointing at
the apex down. It made me cringe to just watch them.

That will give the Brexiteers hope. Once we leave the EU and get rid of
all that silly H&S legislation, such things will be the norm.


Its one of the few freedoms they really hope for, the ability to kill
others without breaking the silly EU rules.

Shame that the EU doesn't make the rules.
Its more down to insurance companies these days.

There obviously wasnt any insurance company involved with that lot, stupid.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 03/05/2017 00:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!!

You don't remember the 1970s do you.

I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign
owners tend to value their workforce rather more.


Tell that to the ex-Rowntree and/or cadbury workers who have seen the
products they used to make in the UK, have production moved to
Poland and other places.

And that is because of a striking workforce?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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[bm[_2_]]

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 03/05/2017 00:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!!

You don't remember the 1970s do you.

I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign
owners tend to value their workforce rather more.


Tell that to the ex-Rowntree and/or cadbury workers who have seen the
products they used to make in the UK, have production moved to
Poland and other places.

And that is because of a striking workforce?

LOL

[Richard[_10_]]

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 03/05/2017 00:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!!

You don't remember the 1970s do you.

I do. That was when UK companies were owned by the UK. The now foreign
owners tend to value their workforce rather more.


Tell that to the ex-Rowntree and/or cadbury workers who have seen the
products they used to make in the UK, have production moved to
Poland and other places.

And that is because of a striking workforce?

You are not stupid merely a ****, stirring ****. You know that and everyone
else knows it.

[Vir Campestris]

On 03/05/2017 19:47, critcher wrote:
On 02/05/2017 21:10, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!!

You don't remember the 1970s do you.

Andy


I was in them

In that case you'll recall how industrial relations got so bad that we
had rubbish piling up in the streets, soldiers driving fire engines, and
the three day week.

Compared with that, even bearing in mind the SR thing, we have no real
problems.

Several sources point to tens of millions of work days being lost to
strikes in the 70s, compared to hundreds of thousands now.

Andy
--
Sources:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...every-year-uk/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-years-in-data

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Vir Campestris wrote:
On 03/05/2017 19:47, critcher wrote:
On 02/05/2017 21:10, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!!

You don't remember the 1970s do you.

Andy


I was in them

In that case you'll recall how industrial relations got so bad that we
had rubbish piling up in the streets, soldiers driving fire engines, and
the three day week.

Compared with that, even bearing in mind the SR thing, we have no real
problems.

Several sources point to tens of millions of work days being lost to
strikes in the 70s, compared to hundreds of thousands now.

True. You flood the country with immigrants willing to to virtually any
job under any conditions. Change from staff jobs to so called self
employment. Zero hours contracts, etc. That is the easy way to keep the
workforce in their place.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Dennis@home]

On 06/05/2017 00:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

True. You flood the country with immigrants willing to to virtually any
job under any conditions. Change from staff jobs to so called self
employment. Zero hours contracts, etc. That is the easy way to keep the
workforce in their place.


The employment rules stop that most of the time.
Its only the racists that exploit the illegal immigrants that make them
work below the legal levels.

[Rod Speed]

"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
On 06/05/2017 00:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

True. You flood the country with immigrants willing to to virtually any
job under any conditions. Change from staff jobs to so called self
employment. Zero hours contracts, etc. That is the easy way to keep the
workforce in their place.


The employment rules stop that most of the time.
Its only the racists that exploit the illegal immigrants that make them
work below the legal levels.

We arent talking about below legal levels.

We are actually talking about doing what you are paid to do.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

True. You flood the country with immigrants willing to to virtually any
job under any conditions. Change from staff jobs to so called self
employment. Zero hours contracts, etc. That is the easy way to keep the
workforce in their place.


The employment rules stop that most of the time.

Employment rules only really apply to the employed. Hence all these self
employed doing jobs once done by staff. And the taxman losing out heavily
from those now not on PAYE, who would have been in older times.

Its only the racists that exploit the illegal immigrants that make them
work below the legal levels.

Plenty UK born seem to prefer living off benefits than working for a
minimum wage. And you don't have to be a racist to exploit workers. Just
the average capitalist. ;-)

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Dave Plowman London SW
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[Roger Hayter[_2_]]

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
snip

If Labour were nearer the centre (e.g. New Labour), then a Labour
remain stance would work from a figures perspective, because it would
match the views of a much larger number of traditional Labour voters,
and they could steal the Conservative remainers, and probably all the
LibDem votes too.

OTOH, they would then be Tories. While it would be a great gravy
train ticket for Labour MPs it would not do the rest of us any good, as
we would then have elected the Tory 'B' team and be in the same position
as now, minus a bit of political skill.

--

Roger Hayter

[Roger Hayter[_2_]]

Vir Campestris wrote:

On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!!

You don't remember the 1970s do you.

Andy
The 1970s entailed the Labour Party making the first moves at
globalisation and lowering real wages. And then blaming the Trade Union
movement for trying to resist this. Rather successfully, it seems, but
that does not make it the unions' fault.





--

Roger Hayter

[Dennis@home]

On 06/05/2017 12:13, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
On 06/05/2017 00:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

True. You flood the country with immigrants willing to to virtually any
job under any conditions. Change from staff jobs to so called self
employment. Zero hours contracts, etc. That is the easy way to keep the
workforce in their place.


The employment rules stop that most of the time.

Employment rules only really apply to the employed. Hence all these self
employed doing jobs once done by staff. And the taxman losing out heavily
from those now not on PAYE, who would have been in older times.

The laws apply to "self employed" too.
Its really only sole traders that can avoid the laws.
Most of them want to avoid the laws.

[Roger Hayter[_2_]]

Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Roger Hayter
wrote:

Vir Campestris wrote:

On 02/05/2017 19:18, critcher wrote:
like we don't have strikes now !!!

You don't remember the 1970s do you.

Andy
The 1970s entailed the Labour Party making the first moves at
globalisation and lowering real wages. And then blaming the Trade Union
movement for trying to resist this. Rather successfully, it seems, but
that does not make it the unions' fault.

The unions have always been keen on trying to have employers retain
jobs that don't exist any more.

Possibly, but that's a completely separate issue.

--

Roger Hayter