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A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean
for the EU's budget ... http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/brexiteubudget-haasrubio-jdi-jdib-jan17.pdf?pdf=ok |
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message ... A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean for the EU's budget ... http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/brexiteubudget-haasrubio-jdi-jdib-jan17.pdf?pdf=ok the EU doesn't understand the term "cutting spending" that option has no chance tim |
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On 19/01/2017 10:23, tim... wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message ... A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean for the EU's budget ... http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/brexiteubudget-haasrubio-jdi-jdib-jan17.pdf?pdf=ok the EU doesn't understand the term "cutting spending" that option has no chance tim I think someone needs to bill the brexiteers for any such divorce payments. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message web.com... On 19/01/2017 10:23, tim... wrote: "Andy Burns" wrote in message ... A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean for the EU's budget ... http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/brexiteubudget-haasrubio-jdi-jdib-jan17.pdf?pdf=ok the EU doesn't understand the term "cutting spending" that option has no chance tim I think someone needs to bill the brexiteers for any such divorce payments. they are it's called taxation tim |
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On 19/01/17 09:54, Andy Burns wrote:
A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean for the EU's budget ... http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/brexiteubudget-haasrubio-jdi-jdib-jan17.pdf?pdf=ok Oh dear. How sad. Nevermind. -- Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns. |
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Rumour has it that a number of UK scientists are after dual nationality so
they can be protected from any barriers. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active Remember, if you don't like where I post or what I say, you don't have to read my posts! :-) "Andy Burns" wrote in message ... A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean for the EU's budget ... http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/brexiteubudget-haasrubio-jdi-jdib-jan17.pdf?pdf=ok |
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Chris Hogg wrote: +1 Especially as they's all have to agree to it, and I can't see the net beneficiaries doing that. They're going to be 10 billion Euros worse off, per annum. No wonder they're trying to make things difficult. The other side of that coin is that we'll be the same amount better off. It should go some way to cover the cost of paying World Trade Association tariffs if we come out hard. Not only that, but a while ago I heard minigod Nige say that the dues we'd receive on EU imports to the UK would be greater than the dues we'd pay on our exports to the EU. Whether the Delors analysis takes that into account, I didn't go looking. Ah. UKIP. That font of all knowledge. I take it you didn't hear Paul Nuttall being interviewed on R4 Today on Tuesday? Where he said after leaving the EU, the UK would be free to make trade agreements with those EU countries it chose to - like Germany. Of course he was pulled up on this and attempted to back pedal. But it does show the sort of thing their supporters are told to believe. The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. -- *Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:05:09 UTC, Brian-Gaff wrote:
Rumour has it that a number of UK scientists are after dual nationality so they can be protected from any barriers. Brian Strange rumours where have they caome from and by who. You can't just choose to have dual nationality at the drop of a hat. |
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tim... wrote: I think someone needs to bill the brexiteers for any such divorce payments. they are it's called taxation But this government is committed to reduce taxation - for the rich. And are threatening to make us a tax haven if we can't get a decent agreement with the EU after leaving. All of which is *really* going to help those poor in the rust belt of the UK who voted out to get 'change'. -- *Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 19/01/17 11:05, Brian-Gaff wrote:
Rumour has it that a number of UK scientists are after dual nationality so they can be protected from any barriers. Brian It would be stupid if the EU excluded scientists on the basis that they were British, as against US, Chinese, Indian, S African, Belgian or Portuguese. The EU's new clothes are looking increasingly threadbare, as more and more the real ugly truth is revealed. The EU desperately needs the UK, but the UK needs the EU like a hole in the head. -- Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx |
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pamela wrote:
On 11:05 19 Jan 2017, Brian-Gaff wrote: Rumour has it that a number of UK scientists are after dual nationality so they can be protected from any barriers. Brian Lucky me, I think I may qualify for dual nationality and a passport from an EU member state. I won't pass that up if I can get it. It may be very useful to leave this sinking ship behind in a few years. What could better symbolise Britain's exaggerated pride in it's own shoddiness than the old blue passport? Oversized, creasable, with shabby paper behind windows, prone to letters rubbing off, and all that. Yet many retain a strange proud hypnotic attachment to it. I wonder if Brexiteers will turn back the clock and restore it? I don't mind the colour but the rest of it is so ugh! Suggestion, leave now! |
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Chris Hogg wrote:
I heard minigod Nige say that the dues we'd receive on EU imports to the UK would be greater than the dues we'd pay on our exports to the EU. Whether the Delors analysis takes that into account, I didn't go looking. It does mention that if we end up with WTO trade, the dues the EU would receive from UK trade could halve their "brexit gap" but would eventually see individual EU states income drop - whether they'll allow that to influence their decision to allow us better than WTO trade, we'll have to see. |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Chris Hogg wrote: +1 Especially as they's all have to agree to it, and I can't see the net beneficiaries doing that. They're going to be 10 billion Euros worse off, per annum. No wonder they're trying to make things difficult. The other side of that coin is that we'll be the same amount better off. It should go some way to cover the cost of paying World Trade Association tariffs if we come out hard. Not only that, but a while ago I heard minigod Nige say that the dues we'd receive on EU imports to the UK would be greater than the dues we'd pay on our exports to the EU. Whether the Delors analysis takes that into account, I didn't go looking. Ah. UKIP. That font of all knowledge. I take it you didn't hear Paul Nuttall being interviewed on R4 Today on Tuesday? Where he said after leaving the EU, the UK would be free to make trade agreements with those EU countries it chose to - like Germany. Of course he was pulled up on this and attempted to back pedal. But it does show the sort of thing their supporters are told to believe. Not to mention saying that it would be good to get the UK out of Schengen. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/brexiteubudget-haasrubio-jdi-jdib-jan17.pdf?pdf=ok Oh dear. How sad. Nevermind. Well, it's the sort of decisions those agreeing the terms of our leaving are going to be facing, so yes tough on them, but still of interest to us ... |
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On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:18:05 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. What do you mean by we ? Apple have biut prices up on teh app store by 25% for the UK but as I havent; brought an app surely it will only cost those buying rather than the whole country. You'll notice that they say it;s due to BREXIT but this doesn't explain why they put the cost up by 33% in india and 30% in Turkey is this all because of BREXIT too ? Could you explain this because I can't but that's what we're told. https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...llowing-brexit So every price rise from now until teh end of time will be due to BREXIT I guess the house price riss over the last decade are due to BREXIT too. I recon Trump being inaugrated tomorrow is due to BREXIT too. ;-) -- *Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:18:05 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. What do you mean by we ? Apple have biut prices up on teh app store by 25% for the UK but as I havent; brought an app surely it will only cost those buying rather than the whole country. You'll notice that they say it;s due to BREXIT but this doesn't explain why they put the cost up by 33% in india and 30% in Turkey is this all because of BREXIT too ? You've missed a step. The rise in Apple's prices is becasue of the fall in the value of sterling. This appears to be because of Brexit. For India & Turkey, the rise is due to the fall in their currencies against the dollar. No Brexit connection. You might not by Apple's products, but you will probably buy other goods made or grown abroad. These are also creeping (or jumping) up in price. Could you explain this because I can't but that's what we're told. https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...llowing-brexit So every price rise from now until teh end of time will be due to BREXIT I guess the house price riss over the last decade are due to BREXIT too. Since nearly all the bricks used in UK housebuilding come from The Netherlands that might be true. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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On 19/01/2017 11:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , tim... wrote: I think someone needs to bill the brexiteers for any such divorce payments. they are it's called taxation But this government is committed to reduce taxation - for the rich. And are threatening to make us a tax haven if we can't get a decent agreement with the EU after leaving. All of which is *really* going to help those poor in the rust belt of the UK who voted out to get 'change'. Well they are going to get change, they may well regret it though. |
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On 19/01/2017 11:57, pamela wrote:
On 11:05 19 Jan 2017, Brian-Gaff wrote: Rumour has it that a number of UK scientists are after dual nationality so they can be protected from any barriers. Brian Lucky me, I think I may qualify for dual nationality and a passport from an EU member state. I won't pass that up if I can get it. It may be very useful to leave this sinking ship behind in a few years. What could better symbolise Britain's exaggerated pride in it's own shoddiness than the old blue passport? Oversized, creasable, with shabby paper behind windows, prone to letters rubbing off, and all that. Yet many retain a strange proud hypnotic attachment to it. I wonder if Brexiteers will turn back the clock and restore it? I don't mind the colour but the rest of it is so ugh! Well there will need to be new passports issued at some time. If the EU or other countries refuse to accept an EU passport from the UK as no longer being valid it will have to be before anyone can travel abroad so there could be a mass application for passports and it could take a while to process them. I expect everyone will have to *pay* for a new passport soon. |
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message ... Chris Hogg wrote: I heard minigod Nige say that the dues we'd receive on EU imports to the UK would be greater than the dues we'd pay on our exports to the EU. Whether the Delors analysis takes that into account, I didn't go looking. It does mention that if we end up with WTO trade, the dues the EU would receive from UK trade could halve their "brexit gap" but would eventually see individual EU states income drop - whether they'll allow that to influence their decision to allow us better than WTO trade, we'll have to see. The point is that countries look at WTO tariffs as if they are inter-country governmental payments when they are not they are payments by consumers (who buy the end products with the tariffs added) So instead of HMG (from UK taxes) giving the EU countries 20 Billion (or whatever the figures is), EU consumers will give their own governments an extra 20 Billion in tariff payments (aka local taxes) tim |
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"charles" wrote in message ... In article , whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:18:05 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. What do you mean by we ? Apple have biut prices up on teh app store by 25% for the UK but as I havent; brought an app surely it will only cost those buying rather than the whole country. You'll notice that they say it;s due to BREXIT but this doesn't explain why they put the cost up by 33% in india and 30% in Turkey is this all because of BREXIT too ? You've missed a step. The rise in Apple's prices is becasue of the fall in the value of sterling. This appears to be because of Brexit. For India & Turkey, the rise is due to the fall in their currencies against the dollar. No Brexit connection. You might not by Apple's products, but you will probably buy other goods made or grown abroad. These are also creeping (or jumping) up in price. Could you explain this because I can't but that's what we're told. https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...llowing-brexit what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how this 18% fall in the pound is affecting prices is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the pound crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02) yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time yet not a squeak there was tim |
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Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. Conveniently ignoring the benefit to exporters, of course. Devaluation is generally good for a country; why else did Harold Wilson devalue the pound by 14% in 1967, and why else is the FTSE at record highs ATM, why else is unemployment at its lowest value for 11 years. But you always do do your best to present a miserable view, don't you. when a country has a negative balance of payments - devaluation is NOT a good thing. Balance of payments tends to get worse. If we are douing so well why is the pound only half its international value since Harold Wilson's day. According to those who know the stoc=k markets the FTSE has risen because many of the big companies receive most of their profits from abroad. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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Terry Casey wrote: In article 78bfda97-b11c-4310-9555- , says... 1953 pound worth 2.18 dollars we we'rent in the EEC or EU How do you work that out? Exchange rates were fixed in 1953 as they still were in 1967 when Wilson devalued sterling from $2.80 to £2.40 to the pound ... he confused eighty with eighteen -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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On 19/01/2017 13:28, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com, dennis@home wrote: On 19/01/2017 11:57, pamela wrote: On 11:05 19 Jan 2017, Brian-Gaff wrote: Rumour has it that a number of UK scientists are after dual nationality so they can be protected from any barriers. Brian Lucky me, I think I may qualify for dual nationality and a passport from an EU member state. I won't pass that up if I can get it. It may be very useful to leave this sinking ship behind in a few years. What could better symbolise Britain's exaggerated pride in it's own shoddiness than the old blue passport? Oversized, creasable, with shabby paper behind windows, prone to letters rubbing off, and all that. Yet many retain a strange proud hypnotic attachment to it. I wonder if Brexiteers will turn back the clock and restore it? I don't mind the colour but the rest of it is so ugh! Well there will need to be new passports issued at some time. If the EU or other countries refuse to accept an EU passport from the UK We don't have EU passports Den they are all issued by the member state. The only change I expect is removing the "European Union" bit at the top of the front cover and possibly changing the colour but I don't suppose many people will give a monkey's. as no longer being valid it will have to be before anyone can travel abroad so there could be a mass application for passports and it could take a while to process them. Why would it no longer be valid? A passport is whatever the issuing authority says it is. Rubbish. The country of entry has the say on what's valid not the issuing country. Why do you think you need a visa as well as a passport to get into some countries? What if the country of entry says "well its says you are a citizen of the EU but you aren't so go home"? What's the UK going to do as issuing country? I expect everyone will have to *pay* for a new passport soon. We already pay for new passports. When they expire? Are they all going to expire on brexit? Passports are becoming more and more similar anyway so that all countries can machine-process them if they want to. So? |
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In article , Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. Conveniently ignoring the benefit to exporters, of course. Devaluation is generally good for a country; why else did Harold Wilson devalue the pound by 14% in 1967, and why else is the FTSE at record highs ATM, why else is unemployment at its lowest value for 11 years. But you always do do your best to present a miserable view, don't you. when a country has a negative balance of payments - devaluation is NOT a good thing. Balance of payments tends to get worse. In fact it's *exactly* the other way around. If you have a BoP deficit, the a devaluation makes your exports cheaper (in $) and imports dearer in £. This makes people in Britain import less and export more, so the deficit is reduced. If we are douing so well why is the pound only half its international value since Harold Wilson's day. Because in those long-ago days, sterling's value was boosted by its traditional role as a reserve currency. Once that came to an end, its value plummeted to a level determined purely by trade volumes and price levels. -- Jack |
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On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:18:05 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , tim... wrote: I think someone needs to bill the brexiteers for any such divorce payments. they are it's called taxation But this government is committed to reduce taxation - for the rich. And are threatening to make us a tax haven if we can't get a decent agreement with the EU after leaving. All of which is *really* going to help those poor in the rust belt of the UK who voted out to get 'change'. -- *Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. They have already cut tax for the poor. Such as yourself I imagine since you're always whinging. |
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whisky-dave wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. What do you mean by we ? Ah - right. You don't personally contribute to the EU budget. I forgot. -- *I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. Conveniently ignoring the benefit to exporters, of course. Depends what they're exporting. If that contains a significant amount of costs from imported bits like say energy, it's going to cost more to make. Devaluation is generally good for a country; why else did Harold Wilson devalue the pound by 14% in 1967, Nice to think Harold Wilson's economic strategy worth praising. and why else is the FTSE at record highs ATM, why else is unemployment at its lowest value for 11 years. Many of the companies quoted in the FTSE don't get all their income from sterling. If they earn in, say, dollars, rather obviously the company value in sterling goes up. But you always do do your best to present a miserable view, don't you. I'd rather say realistic. I'll leave the head in the sand optimism to the BREXITEERS. BTW, if UK business is your god, you might consider why the vast majority didn't want to leave the EU. -- *Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:20:08 +0000 (GMT), charles wrote: In article , Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. Conveniently ignoring the benefit to exporters, of course. Devaluation is generally good for a country; why else did Harold Wilson devalue the pound by 14% in 1967, and why else is the FTSE at record highs ATM, why else is unemployment at its lowest value for 11 years. But you always do do your best to present a miserable view, don't you. when a country has a negative balance of payments - devaluation is NOT a good thing. Balance of payments tends to get worse. If we are douing so well why is the pound only half its international value since Harold Wilson's day. According to those who know the stoc=k markets the FTSE has risen because many of the big companies receive most of their profits from abroad. But HW devalued _because_ of the balance of payments deficit, considered unsustainable at the time (although small potatoes by today's standards). Did he do the wrong thing? Did Labour make a mess of the economy before devaluation, or was the devaluation bound to make a mess of the economy, by your argument? At the time, and it was about 50 years ago, there was a still a major manufacturing industry in this country ands we could probably get away with buying less from abroad and "Buying British". Now, just about everything we buy is made in China or elsewhere and we haven't the chance of "buying british". So we just make the balance of payments worse. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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tim... wrote: what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how this 18% fall in the pound is affecting prices is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the pound crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02) yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time yet not a squeak there was Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value of the pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with banks all around the world crashing. -- *I tried to catch some fog, but I mist.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thursday, 19 January 2017 13:07:48 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 19/01/2017 11:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , tim... wrote: I think someone needs to bill the brexiteers for any such divorce payments. they are it's called taxation But this government is committed to reduce taxation - for the rich. And are threatening to make us a tax haven if we can't get a decent agreement with the EU after leaving. All of which is *really* going to help those poor in the rust belt of the UK who voted out to get 'change'. Well they are going to get change, they may well regret it though. Yep they might regret not being able to cheap ****y polish lager or even stella. Last year I was with a northern female friend and we passed a group of 4 lads of about 18-22 years old drinking cans of that crap larger that starts with ZyX or similar , we had 6 bottles of ale, so she went over to them and said try some decent beer, don't drink that it's crap chemical **** and handed them a bottle of spitfire ale. My prefenrce is abbot ale, london pride or old peculier. But I'll expect each of the above to double in price because of BREXIT should I maybe polish lager will come down in price as the pound drops against the dollar and Euro . There's few 'forign' drinks I like in pubs staropramen but at £5.40 a pint and poured into a plastic 'glass' my limit was one for the night. |
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On Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:49:25 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , whisky-dave wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. What do you mean by we ? Ah - right. You don't personally contribute to the EU budget. I forgot. Why would I be contributing after we leave the EU ? I can understand now why I have to contribute to the EU as we are part of it. Wouldn;t suprie me though if the EU still isnisted we pay for things the EU won't be supplying. |
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On Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:00:46 UTC, charles wrote:
In article , Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:20:08 +0000 (GMT), charles wrote: In article , Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. Conveniently ignoring the benefit to exporters, of course. Devaluation is generally good for a country; why else did Harold Wilson devalue the pound by 14% in 1967, and why else is the FTSE at record highs ATM, why else is unemployment at its lowest value for 11 years. But you always do do your best to present a miserable view, don't you. when a country has a negative balance of payments - devaluation is NOT a good thing. Balance of payments tends to get worse. If we are douing so well why is the pound only half its international value since Harold Wilson's day. According to those who know the stoc=k markets the FTSE has risen because many of the big companies receive most of their profits from abroad. But HW devalued _because_ of the balance of payments deficit, considered unsustainable at the time (although small potatoes by today's standards). Did he do the wrong thing? Did Labour make a mess of the economy before devaluation, or was the devaluation bound to make a mess of the economy, by your argument? At the time, and it was about 50 years ago, there was a still a major manufacturing industry in this country ands we could probably get away with buying less from abroad and "Buying British". Now, just about everything we buy is made in China or elsewhere and we haven't the chance of "buying british". So we just make the balance of payments worse. Yep same goes with prostitition did you see the ross kemp thing on teh other night importing prostitutes who really want to come, essex girls give it away free donlt they so why havenl;t we got our own cheap proses. Maybe it;s good for the EU and the UK but it;s another example of British workers being priced out of the market. ;-) so what is the solution here ? Bring back slavery ? |
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On Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:09:36 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , tim... wrote: what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how this 18% fall in the pound is affecting prices is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the pound crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02) yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time yet not a squeak there was Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value of the pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with banks all around the world crashing. I thought that sort of thing only happened with BREXIT. Maybe it;s an illustion then and not cause by BREXIT but merchant investors lokoing to make a killiong because tey want to buy up the UK cheaply so are devaluoing the pound from afar. Not that I;'m suspicious that qatar and china have brought the national grid no fiddling there I can assure you. ;-o |
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whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:09:36 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , tim... wrote: what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how this 18% fall in the pound is affecting prices is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the pound crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02) yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time yet not a squeak there was Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value of the pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with banks all around the world crashing. I thought that sort of thing only happened with BREXIT. Maybe it;s an illustion then and not cause by BREXIT but merchant investors lokoing to make a killiong because tey want to buy up the UK cheaply so are devaluoing the pound from afar. Not that I;'m suspicious that qatar and china have brought the national grid no fiddling there I can assure you. ;-o may I suggest you use a spellcheck on your posts. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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On Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:35:52 UTC, charles wrote:
In article , whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:09:36 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , tim... wrote: what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how this 18% fall in the pound is affecting prices is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the pound crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02) yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time yet not a squeak there was Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value of the pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with banks all around the world crashing. I thought that sort of thing only happened with BREXIT. Maybe it;s an illustion then and not cause by BREXIT but merchant investors lokoing to make a killiong because tey want to buy up the UK cheaply so are devaluoing the pound from afar. Not that I;'m suspicious that qatar and china have brought the national grid no fiddling there I can assure you. ;-o may I suggest you use a spellcheck on your posts. you may suggest anything you like. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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Tim Streater wrote: Passports are becoming more and more similar anyway so that all countries can machine-process them if they want to. So? So any twaddle to the effect that we might go back to the old blue cardboard and paste jobs of yesteryear is just that: twaddle. Given how much St Nige went on and on about going back to that nice blue passport, good to know you think he was talking twaddle. But of course many of us already knew that. -- *Virtual reality is its own reward * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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charles wrote: I thought that sort of thing only happened with BREXIT. Maybe it;s an illustion then and not cause by BREXIT but merchant investors lokoing to make a killiong because tey want to buy up the UK cheaply so are devaluoing the pound from afar. Not that I;'m suspicious that qatar and china have brought the national grid no fiddling there I can assure you. ;-o may I suggest you use a spellcheck on your posts. Mr Dave loves Apple products. You probably don't want their spelling either. ;-) -- *Ham and Eggs: Just a day's work for a chicken, but a lifetime commitment Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:35:52 UTC, charles wrote: In article , whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:09:36 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , tim... wrote: what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how this 18% fall in the pound is affecting prices is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the pound crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02) yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time yet not a squeak there was Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value of the pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with banks all around the world crashing. I thought that sort of thing only happened with BREXIT. Maybe it;s an illustion then and not cause by BREXIT but merchant investors lokoing to make a killiong because tey want to buy up the UK cheaply so are devaluoing the pound from afar. Not that I;'m suspicious that qatar and china have brought the national grid no fiddling there I can assure you. ;-o may I suggest you use a spellcheck on your posts. you may suggest anything you like. how kind -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , charles wrote: I thought that sort of thing only happened with BREXIT. Maybe it;s an illustion then and not cause by BREXIT but merchant investors lokoing to make a killiong because tey want to buy up the UK cheaply so are devaluoing the pound from afar. Not that I;'m suspicious that qatar and china have brought the national grid no fiddling there I can assure you. ;-o may I suggest you use a spellcheck on your posts. Mr Dave loves Apple products. You probably don't want their spelling either. ;-) it's probably 'mercan - but that would be a bit easier to understand -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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