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On 19/01/17 12:41, charles wrote:
In article , whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:18:05 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. What do you mean by we ? Apple have biut prices up on teh app store by 25% for the UK but as I havent; brought an app surely it will only cost those buying rather than the whole country. You'll notice that they say it;s due to BREXIT but this doesn't explain why they put the cost up by 33% in india and 30% in Turkey is this all because of BREXIT too ? You've missed a step. The rise in Apple's prices is becasue of the fall in the value of sterling. This appears to be because of Brexit. For India & Turkey, the rise is due to the fall in their currencies against the dollar. No Brexit connection. You might not by Apple's products, but you will probably buy other goods made or grown abroad. These are also creeping (or jumping) up in price. Could you explain this because I can't but that's what we're told. https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...llowing-brexit So every price rise from now until teh end of time will be due to BREXIT I guess the house price riss over the last decade are due to BREXIT too. Since nearly all the bricks used in UK housebuilding come from The Netherlands that might be true. Do you really think so0? -- "The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll look exactly the same afterwards." Billy Connolly |
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On 19/01/2017 16:16, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:49:25 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , whisky-dave wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. What do you mean by we ? Ah - right. You don't personally contribute to the EU budget. I forgot. Why would I be contributing after we leave the EU ? I can understand now why I have to contribute to the EU as we are part of it. contracts, like ending your mobile contract early, you still have to pay, sometimes as a lump sum. Wouldn;t suprie me though if the EU still isnisted we pay for things the EU won't be supplying. if its a contract then you pay or suffer the consequences. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message
b.com... On 19/01/2017 11:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , tim... wrote: I think someone needs to bill the brexiteers for any such divorce payments. they are it's called taxation But this government is committed to reduce taxation - for the rich. And are threatening to make us a tax haven if we can't get a decent agreement with the EU after leaving. All of which is *really* going to help those poor in the rust belt of the UK who voted out to get 'change'. Well they are going to get change, they may well regret it though. You emigrating? If not, you're getting the same change so suck it up. |
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In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote: On 19/01/17 12:41, charles wrote: In article , whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:18:05 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. What do you mean by we ? Apple have biut prices up on teh app store by 25% for the UK but as I havent; brought an app surely it will only cost those buying rather than the whole country. You'll notice that they say it;s due to BREXIT but this doesn't explain why they put the cost up by 33% in india and 30% in Turkey is this all because of BREXIT too ? You've missed a step. The rise in Apple's prices is becasue of the fall in the value of sterling. This appears to be because of Brexit. For India & Turkey, the rise is due to the fall in their currencies against the dollar. No Brexit connection. You might not by Apple's products, but you will probably buy other goods made or grown abroad. These are also creeping (or jumping) up in price. Could you explain this because I can't but that's what we're told. https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...llowing-brexit So every price rise from now until teh end of time will be due to BREXIT I guess the house price riss over the last decade are due to BREXIT too. Since nearly all the bricks used in UK housebuilding come from The Netherlands that might be true. Do you really think so0? yes, just look at the shrink wrapped packs of bricks on building sites. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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"charles" wrote in message ...
In article , whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:35:52 UTC, charles wrote: In article , whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:09:36 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , tim... wrote: what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how this 18% fall in the pound is affecting prices is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the pound crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02) yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time yet not a squeak there was Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value of the pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with banks all around the world crashing. I thought that sort of thing only happened with BREXIT. Maybe it;s an illustion then and not cause by BREXIT but merchant investors lokoing to make a killiong because tey want to buy up the UK cheaply so are devaluoing the pound from afar. Not that I;'m suspicious that qatar and china have brought the national grid no fiddling there I can assure you. ;-o may I suggest you use a spellcheck on your posts. you may suggest anything you like. how kind He must have heeded your advice as his reply had no spelling errors. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , tim... wrote: what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how this 18% fall in the pound is affecting prices is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the pound crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02) yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time yet not a squeak there was Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value of the pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with banks all around the world crashing. Oh I'm sure that the fall in value was reported what wasn't reported was the constant "everything going up because of it" tim |
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On 19/01/2017 19:42, tim... wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , tim... wrote: what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how this 18% fall in the pound is affecting prices is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the pound crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02) yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time yet not a squeak there was Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value of the pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with banks all around the world crashing. Oh I'm sure that the fall in value was reported what wasn't reported was the constant "everything going up because of it" tim In those days we probably didn't import as much so the price rise would have been less for most people. Now just about all the affordable electronics and stuff is going to go up if the pound goes down. This is also true of a lot of food stuff. |
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Andy Burns wrote A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean for the EU's budget ... http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/brexiteubudget-haasrubio-jdi-jdib-jan17.pdf?pdf=ok the EU doesn't understand the term "cutting spending" that option has no chance The money still has to come from somewhere. |
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tim... wrote Andy Burns wrote A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean for the EU's budget ... http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/brexiteubudget-haasrubio-jdi-jdib-jan17.pdf?pdf=ok the EU doesn't understand the term "cutting spending" that option has no chance I think someone needs to bill the brexiteers for any such divorce payments. Not even possible and there will be no such divorce payments anyway. Not even legally possible to have any divorce payments. There is no provision for anything like that in anything Britain has signed up to. |
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On 19/01/2017 20:44, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com, dennis@home wrote: On 19/01/2017 19:42, tim... wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , tim... wrote: what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how this 18% fall in the pound is affecting prices is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the pound crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02) yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time yet not a squeak there was Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value of the pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with banks all around the world crashing. Oh I'm sure that the fall in value was reported what wasn't reported was the constant "everything going up because of it" In those days we probably didn't import as much so the price rise would have been less for most people. What, back in 2008 you mean? Opps, not Harold Wilson then. The drop in 2008 didn't last long enough to have much effect did it? |
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On 19/01/2017 18:03, Tim Streater wrote:
So what contract would that be then? Anything we have agreed to with anyone else. If we choose to renege on our commitments then it will seriously affect any future agreements with anyone else including the EU. Just like a bankruptcy would with you. Brexiteers that think there is a clean exit must be in lala land. |
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In message , Chris Hogg
writes On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. Conveniently ignoring the benefit to exporters, of course. Devaluation is generally good for a country; why else did Harold Wilson devalue the pound by 14% in 1967, and why else is the FTSE at record highs ATM, why else is unemployment at its lowest value for 11 years. But you always do do your best to present a miserable view, don't you. I've been wondering about that. I don't see much of a surge in manufacturing or other employment opportunities except perhaps care for the elderly. Ting! Is that the answer? Employment is buoyant because all us bulge babies are retired and our jobs are being done by others plus we need people to look after us:-) -- Tim Lamb |
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On 19/01/17 17:42, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 19/01/17 12:41, charles wrote: In article , whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:18:05 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. What do you mean by we ? Apple have biut prices up on teh app store by 25% for the UK but as I havent; brought an app surely it will only cost those buying rather than the whole country. You'll notice that they say it;s due to BREXIT but this doesn't explain why they put the cost up by 33% in india and 30% in Turkey is this all because of BREXIT too ? You've missed a step. The rise in Apple's prices is becasue of the fall in the value of sterling. This appears to be because of Brexit. For India & Turkey, the rise is due to the fall in their currencies against the dollar. No Brexit connection. You might not by Apple's products, but you will probably buy other goods made or grown abroad. These are also creeping (or jumping) up in price. Could you explain this because I can't but that's what we're told. https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...llowing-brexit So every price rise from now until teh end of time will be due to BREXIT I guess the house price riss over the last decade are due to BREXIT too. Since nearly all the bricks used in UK housebuilding come from The Netherlands that might be true. Do you really think so0? yes, just look at the shrink wrapped packs of bricks on building sites. London brick company. -- "Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing...." "What kind of person is not interested in those things?" "Jeremy Corbyn?" |
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On 19/01/2017 13:55, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. Conveniently ignoring the benefit to exporters, of course. Devaluation is generally good for a country; why else did Harold Wilson devalue the pound by 14% in 1967, It called quantitative easing these days -- mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 19/01/17 17:42, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 19/01/17 12:41, charles wrote: In article , whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:18:05 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. What do you mean by we ? Apple have biut prices up on teh app store by 25% for the UK but as I havent; brought an app surely it will only cost those buying rather than the whole country. You'll notice that they say it;s due to BREXIT but this doesn't explain why they put the cost up by 33% in india and 30% in Turkey is this all because of BREXIT too ? You've missed a step. The rise in Apple's prices is becasue of the fall in the value of sterling. This appears to be because of Brexit. For India & Turkey, the rise is due to the fall in their currencies against the dollar. No Brexit connection. You might not by Apple's products, but you will probably buy other goods made or grown abroad. These are also creeping (or jumping) up in price. Could you explain this because I can't but that's what we're told. https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...llowing-brexit So every price rise from now until teh end of time will be due to BREXIT I guess the house price riss over the last decade are due to BREXIT too. Since nearly all the bricks used in UK housebuilding come from The Netherlands that might be true. Do you really think so0? yes, just look at the shrink wrapped packs of bricks on building sites. http://www.ibstock.com/ -- "Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing...." "What kind of person is not interested in those things?" "Jeremy Corbyn?" |
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pamela wrote
Brian-Gaff wrote Rumour has it that a number of UK scientists are after dual nationality so they can be protected from any barriers. Lucky me, I think I may qualify for dual nationality and a passport from an EU member state. I won't pass that up if I can get it. It may be very useful to leave this sinking ship behind in a few years. Bet you will find that Britain floats fine outside the EU and that it will be most of the countrys that stay inside the EU where it isnt much of a place to be in the future. And that places like Spain will continue to be happy for you to show up there with a British passport if you want to too. What could better symbolise Britain's exaggerated pride in it's own shoddiness than the old blue passport? Oversized, creasable, with shabby paper behind windows, prone to letters rubbing off, and all that. Yet many retain a strange proud hypnotic attachment to it. I wonder if Brexiteers will turn back the clock and restore it? Unlikely any BRexiters will ever get any say on that, remoaner. I don't mind the colour but the rest of it is so ugh! |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message b.com... On 19/01/2017 11:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , tim... wrote: I think someone needs to bill the brexiteers for any such divorce payments. they are it's called taxation But this government is committed to reduce taxation - for the rich. And are threatening to make us a tax haven if we can't get a decent agreement with the EU after leaving. All of which is *really* going to help those poor in the rust belt of the UK who voted out to get 'change'. Well they are going to get change, Yes, but that is just as true of remaining. they may well regret it though. Yes, but that is just as true of remaining. |
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On 19/01/2017 22:20, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com, dennis@home wrote: On 19/01/2017 18:03, Tim Streater wrote: So what contract would that be then? Anything we have agreed to with anyone else. If we choose to renege on our commitments then it will seriously affect any future agreements with anyone else including the EU. Just like a bankruptcy would with you. Brexiteers that think there is a clean exit must be in lala land. What we have agreed to is covered by the treaties. Once we leave, the treaties cease to apply - it says so in clause 50. So don't trade with the UK as you won't get anything they agree to. Brilliant brixitism there. Now in the real world.. |
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On 19/01/2017 15:33, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com, dennis@home wrote: On 19/01/2017 13:28, Tim Streater wrote: In article . com, dennis@home wrote: as no longer being valid it will have to be before anyone can travel abroad so there could be a mass application for passports and it could take a while to process them. Why would it no longer be valid? A passport is whatever the issuing authority says it is. Rubbish. The country of entry has the say on what's valid not the issuing country. Why do you think you need a visa as well as a passport to get into some countries? The visa may be needed but so is the passport, which also has to be valid as issued by the issuing country, not the country of entry. Or do you think that you can get a visa added to an expired passport? I used to have a USA visa in my expired passport and it was still valid for multiple entry, indefinite stay. It remained valid until they decided to pull all the current visas because of terrorism. Or that you can get a visa stamped onto some scrap of paper and they'll let you in on the basis of that? Not all visas are put into your passport. You need the passport to get back. They didn't check it on going to France from the UK but they did check it on the way back. Something to do with the fact we control out borders and not the EU. The french check more of them now. |
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On 19/01/2017 23:38, Rod Speed wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote in message b.com... On 19/01/2017 11:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , tim... wrote: I think someone needs to bill the brexiteers for any such divorce payments. they are it's called taxation But this government is committed to reduce taxation - for the rich. And are threatening to make us a tax haven if we can't get a decent agreement with the EU after leaving. All of which is *really* going to help those poor in the rust belt of the UK who voted out to get 'change'. Well they are going to get change, Yes, but that is just as true of remaining. they may well regret it though. Yes, but that is just as true of remaining. If we had remained they would have regretted losing, now they will regret winning the same as the rest of us. |
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"tim..." wrote in message news "Andy Burns" wrote in message ... Chris Hogg wrote: I heard minigod Nige say that the dues we'd receive on EU imports to the UK would be greater than the dues we'd pay on our exports to the EU. Whether the Delors analysis takes that into account, I didn't go looking. It does mention that if we end up with WTO trade, the dues the EU would receive from UK trade could halve their "brexit gap" but would eventually see individual EU states income drop - whether they'll allow that to influence their decision to allow us better than WTO trade, we'll have to see. The point is that countries look at WTO tariffs as if they are inter-country governmental payments when they are not they are payments by consumers (who buy the end products with the tariffs added) So instead of HMG (from UK taxes) giving the EU countries 20 Billion (or whatever the figures is), EU consumers will give their own governments an extra 20 Billion in tariff payments (aka local taxes) Or not in the case of stuff imported into the EU which has a tariff applied currently which doesn’t have to have a tariff applied when Britain is outside the EU. |
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"charles" wrote in message ... In article , Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. Conveniently ignoring the benefit to exporters, of course. Devaluation is generally good for a country; why else did Harold Wilson devalue the pound by 14% in 1967, and why else is the FTSE at record highs ATM, why else is unemployment at its lowest value for 11 years. But you always do do your best to present a miserable view, don't you. when a country has a negative balance of payments - devaluation is NOT a good thing. Balance of payments tends to get worse. Even more pig ignorant than you usually manage. Devaluation usually improves the exports and that helps the balance of payments. If we are douing so well No if about it. That’s the reason so many from Poland, Romania etc keep pouring into the country, because Britain is doing much better than where they are coming from, and why so many are trying to get from France to Britain illegally, because Britain is doing rather better than almost anywhere else in the EU. why is the pound only half its international value since Harold Wilson's day. Because currency relativitys are RELATIVE, by definition. And there is no such thing as 'its international value' with a currency. According to those who know the stoc=k markets the FTSE has risen because many of the big companies receive most of their profits from abroad. Even sillier than you usually manage. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message web.com... On 19/01/2017 13:28, Tim Streater wrote: In article . com, dennis@home wrote: On 19/01/2017 11:57, pamela wrote: On 11:05 19 Jan 2017, Brian-Gaff wrote: Rumour has it that a number of UK scientists are after dual nationality so they can be protected from any barriers. Brian Lucky me, I think I may qualify for dual nationality and a passport from an EU member state. I won't pass that up if I can get it. It may be very useful to leave this sinking ship behind in a few years. What could better symbolise Britain's exaggerated pride in it's own shoddiness than the old blue passport? Oversized, creasable, with shabby paper behind windows, prone to letters rubbing off, and all that. Yet many retain a strange proud hypnotic attachment to it. I wonder if Brexiteers will turn back the clock and restore it? I don't mind the colour but the rest of it is so ugh! Well there will need to be new passports issued at some time. If the EU or other countries refuse to accept an EU passport from the UK We don't have EU passports Den they are all issued by the member state. The only change I expect is removing the "European Union" bit at the top of the front cover and possibly changing the colour but I don't suppose many people will give a monkey's. as no longer being valid it will have to be before anyone can travel abroad so there could be a mass application for passports and it could take a while to process them. Why would it no longer be valid? A passport is whatever the issuing authority says it is. Rubbish. Fact. The country of entry has the say on what's valid not the issuing country. Not with passports they dont. Why do you think you need a visa as well as a passport to get into some countries? Because that is what visas are about. They are recorded in the passport, a separate matter entirely to whether the passport itself is valid or not. What if the country of entry says "well its says you are a citizen of the EU No country passport says that. but you aren't so go home"? They get no say on where the passport holder has to go, JUST that the passport holder can not legally enter THAT COUNTRY. What's the UK going to do as issuing country? Realise that it is still a valid passport. I expect everyone will have to *pay* for a new passport soon. We already pay for new passports. When they expire? Or when they are lost. Are they all going to expire on brexit? Nope, because all they say is that the passport holder is a UK citizen. Even if the passport does have some reference to the EU on it, even the stupidest paper shuffler at the border will know that Britain has left the EU when that has happened. Passports are becoming more and more similar anyway so that all countries can machine-process them if they want to. So? So they will be changed for that reason. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Chris Hogg wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. Conveniently ignoring the benefit to exporters, of course. Depends what they're exporting. If that contains a significant amount of costs from imported bits like say energy, it's going to cost more to make. Hardly anything that the UK exports does. Devaluation is generally good for a country; why else did Harold Wilson devalue the pound by 14% in 1967, Nice to think Harold Wilson's economic strategy worth praising. and why else is the FTSE at record highs ATM, why else is unemployment at its lowest value for 11 years. Many of the companies quoted in the FTSE don't get all their income from sterling. If they earn in, say, dollars, rather obviously the company value in sterling goes up. But you always do do your best to present a miserable view, don't you. I'd rather say realistic. I'll leave the head in the sand optimism to the BREXITEERS. BTW, if UK business is your god, you might consider why the vast majority didn't want to leave the EU. You don’t know that. -- *Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"grjw" wrote in message ... Do **** off Wod. |
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"whisky-dave" wrote in message ... On Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:09:36 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , tim... wrote: what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how this 18% fall in the pound is affecting prices is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the pound crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02) yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time yet not a squeak there was Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value of the pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with banks all around the world crashing. I thought that sort of thing only happened with BREXIT. Maybe it;s an illustion then and not cause by BREXIT but merchant investors lokoing to make a killiong because tey want to buy up the UK cheaply so are devaluoing the pound from afar. Not possible for them to do that. Not that I;'m suspicious that qatar and china have brought the national grid no fiddling there I can assure you. ;-o |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Do **** off Wod. How long before your termination? |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Do **** off Wod. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message eb.com... On 19/01/2017 16:16, whisky-dave wrote: On Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:49:25 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , whisky-dave wrote: The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave. What do you mean by we ? Ah - right. You don't personally contribute to the EU budget. I forgot. Why would I be contributing after we leave the EU ? I can understand now why I have to contribute to the EU as we are part of it. contracts, No such animal with the EU. like ending your mobile contract early, Nothing like, in fact. you still have to pay, Not with the EU when a country leaves. sometimes as a lump sum. Not with the EU when a country leaves. Have fun listing the part of the Treaty of Lisbon that says anything even remotely like that. Wouldn;t suprie me though if the EU still isnisted we pay for things the EU won't be supplying. if its a contract It isnt. then you pay or suffer the consequences. So what would they be, the EU will send in the tanks eh ? |
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Tim Streater wrote So what contract would that be then? Anything we have agreed to with anyone else. Britain has never agreed to continue to pay the EU anything after it has left the EU. If we choose to renege on our commitments There is no such commitment to be reneged on. then it will seriously affect any future agreements with anyone else including the EU. Even sillier and more flagrantly dishonest than you usually manage. Just like a bankruptcy would with you. Nothing even remotely like personal bankruptcy in fact. Brexiteers that think there is a clean exit must be in lala land. More flagrant dishonesty. What was being discussed was the flagrantly dishonest claim by you that there is some contract that requires Britain to continue to send billions to the EU once it has left the EU. There is no such contract, liar. |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Do **** off Wod. |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Do **** off Wod. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message web.com... On 19/01/2017 15:33, Tim Streater wrote: In article . com, dennis@home wrote: On 19/01/2017 13:28, Tim Streater wrote: In article . com, dennis@home wrote: as no longer being valid it will have to be before anyone can travel abroad so there could be a mass application for passports and it could take a while to process them. Why would it no longer be valid? A passport is whatever the issuing authority says it is. Rubbish. The country of entry has the say on what's valid not the issuing country. Why do you think you need a visa as well as a passport to get into some countries? The visa may be needed but so is the passport, which also has to be valid as issued by the issuing country, not the country of entry. Or do you think that you can get a visa added to an expired passport? I used to have a USA visa in my expired passport and it was still valid for multiple entry, indefinite stay. It remained valid until they decided to pull all the current visas because of terrorism. Or that you can get a visa stamped onto some scrap of paper and they'll let you in on the basis of that? Not all visas are put into your passport. You need the passport to get back. Nope, if you have lost it there are other ways to prove that you are a UK citizen, like checking that you were issued with one. They didn't check it on going to France from the UK but they did check it on the way back. But would have still let you come home even if you had lost it. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message web.com... On 19/01/2017 23:38, Rod Speed wrote: "dennis@home" wrote in message b.com... On 19/01/2017 11:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , tim... wrote: I think someone needs to bill the brexiteers for any such divorce payments. they are it's called taxation But this government is committed to reduce taxation - for the rich. And are threatening to make us a tax haven if we can't get a decent agreement with the EU after leaving. All of which is *really* going to help those poor in the rust belt of the UK who voted out to get 'change'. Well they are going to get change, Yes, but that is just as true of remaining. they may well regret it though. Yes, but that is just as true of remaining. If we had remained they would have regretted losing, Just like you regret losing. now they will regret winning the same as the rest of us. Bet they don’t. |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Do **** off Wod. |
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You know it would be great if countries and the eu had to account for every
bit of the budget collected and spent in detail so we could allsee where the waste occurred . In todays electronic society, it surly cannot be that hard to do. revenue streams in, admin costs and project spending streams and how much was used. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "Andy Burns" wrote in message ... A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean for the EU's budget ... http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/brexiteubudget-haasrubio-jdi-jdib-jan17.pdf?pdf=ok |
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Tim Streater wrote:
dennis@home wrote: I used to have a USA visa in my expired passport and it was still valid for multiple entry, indefinite stay. You mean they were letting you in with an expired passport containing an unexpired visa? Presume you carry the expired passport with the visa *and* a replacement passport. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote But this government is committed to reduce taxation - for the rich. More remoaner lies. It has in fact reduced taxation for the lowest income taxpayers too with the increase in the income tax free threshold. Also, taxes have increased very significantly for the rich, through the medium of new capital taxes such as ATED and the second-home stamp duty surcharge, CGT on foreign properties, and the elimination of various tax reliefs on property letting. They are about to increase even more sharply for non-doms in April. -- Jack |
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In article ,
Handsome Jack wrote: Rod Speed posted Dave Plowman (News) wrote But this government is committed to reduce taxation - for the rich. More remoaner lies. It has in fact reduced taxation for the lowest income taxpayers too with the increase in the income tax free threshold. Also, taxes have increased very significantly for the rich, through the medium of new capital taxes such as ATED and the second-home stamp duty surcharge, CGT on foreign properties, and the elimination of various tax reliefs on property letting. They are about to increase even more sharply for non-doms in April. I'd guess you've not kept up with the fact that the spread of incomes has increased dramatically over the past few decades. In other words, the differential between the richest and poorest has increased. But of course it's the poor's fault for being poor. -- *Wrinkled was not one of the things I wanted to be when I grew up Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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