Grand Designs tonight is about a couple who build a Huf Haus.

Ch4, 9pm.

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...
Grand Designs tonight is about a couple who build a Huf Haus.

Ch4, 9pm.



Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I type.....

Jerry. wrote:

Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I type.....

All the wrong ones I bet ;-((

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"Jerry." wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...
Grand Designs tonight is about a couple who build a Huf Haus.

Ch4, 9pm.



Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I type.....



Nah, looks more like another Whitewash job

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:52:16 -0000, "Jerry."
wrote:


"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...
Grand Designs tonight is about a couple who build a Huf Haus.

Ch4, 9pm.



Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I type.....

Pity it's the wrong ones......
..andy

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John Rumm wrote:

Jerry. wrote:

Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I
type.....


All the wrong ones I bet ;-((


Yes, IMM has yet to resign, and is now in charge of government foreign
policy.

Apparently we will find Osama bin laden, by dismantling Afghanistan
stone by stone, since he must be under one of them, the algoihnm is
flawless.

A further single uncorroborated source suggests after that we will move
onto Iraq and do the same, but looking for the weapons of mass
destruction that Tony knows are there.

"I did not have sex with that dossier" chorus Cambell and blair in
perfect harmony "We all say so, and so does hutton, so it must be true"

Raders of Kipling will notice the extreme similarities between this
statement and the Bandar-log's....

The inmates have taken over the asylum, and Crystalnacht approaches...

#

Martin wrote:

"Jerry." wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

Grand Designs tonight is about a couple who build a Huf Haus.

Ch4, 9pm.



Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I type.....




Nah, looks more like another Whitewash job




More like top quality emulsion of considerable opacity.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:52:16 -0000, "Jerry."
wrote:


"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...
Grand Designs tonight is about a couple who build a Huf Haus.

Ch4, 9pm.



Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I
type.....

Pity it's the wrong ones......

Seemed like the sadly inevitable conclusion from the day the inquiry was
announced. Given that Gavyn Davis has fallen on his sword and taken
responsibility for the failings of those beneath him (though as a NuLab
supporter, he'll probably get some honour soon enought), I guess it would be
too much to hope that Hoon would do the same.

Worst of all, it distracts attention from the shambolic and down-right
corrupt vote last night.

Disgusted of Barnsley

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:13:48 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:52:16 -0000, "Jerry."
wrote:


"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...
Grand Designs tonight is about a couple who build a Huf Haus.

Ch4, 9pm.



Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I type.....

Pity it's the wrong ones......
.andy

Makes you wonder if he slept through some of the cross-examinations
and evidence giving.

"No-one" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:13:48 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:52:16 -0000, "Jerry."
wrote:


"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...
Grand Designs tonight is about a couple who build a Huf Haus.

Ch4, 9pm.



Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I
type.....

Pity it's the wrong ones......
.andy

Makes you wonder if he slept through some of the cross-examinations
and evidence giving.

Nah. More like "Remember what happened to Kelly" said by a suitably menacing
Alistair Campbell. Allegedly.

Cheers
Clive

"Martin" wrote in
:



Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I
type.....


Nah, looks more like another Whitewash job

I didn't realise Lord H was Scotch till I heard his speech; so I guess it's
the Scotch Mafia closing ranks again

mike r

"Clive Summerfield" wrote in message
...

Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I
type.....

Pity it's the wrong ones......

You surely don't mean that you'd prefer Our Glorious Leader to be lopped?

No chance, mate. A rose-scented eel if ever there was one.

Mary

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:56:09 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

A rose-scented eel if ever there was one.

Pass the frying-pan and onions :-))

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:21:17 GMT, "Clive Summerfield"
wrote:


"No-one" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:13:48 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:52:16 -0000, "Jerry."
wrote:


"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...
Grand Designs tonight is about a couple who build a Huf Haus.

Ch4, 9pm.



Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I
type.....

Pity it's the wrong ones......
.andy

Makes you wonder if he slept through some of the cross-examinations
and evidence giving.

Nah. More like "Remember what happened to Kelly" said by a suitably menacing
Alistair Campbell. Allegedly.

It will be interesting to read how much more comes out in 30 years
time.....



Cheers
Clive


..andy

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:08:45 GMT, "Clive Summerfield"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:52:16 -0000, "Jerry."
wrote:


"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...
Grand Designs tonight is about a couple who build a Huf Haus.

Ch4, 9pm.



Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I
type.....

Pity it's the wrong ones......

Seemed like the sadly inevitable conclusion from the day the inquiry was
announced. Given that Gavyn Davis has fallen on his sword and taken
responsibility for the failings of those beneath him (though as a NuLab
supporter, he'll probably get some honour soon enought),

He certainly doesn't need the salary.......


I guess it would be
too much to hope that Hoon would do the same.

Houdini more like.......



Worst of all, it distracts attention from the shambolic and down-right
corrupt vote last night.

Dirt as well as blood on their hands........


Disgusted of Barnsley


..andy

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

It will be interesting to read how much more comes out in 30 years
time.....

Indeed. But if I'm still here I shan't remember what it was all about ...
:-)

Mary



Cheers
Clive


.andy

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Andy Hall wrote:

Dirt as well as blood on their hands........

Is it just me or did the country enter a bizzare twilight-zone like
reality sometime during the past 2-3 years? So little seems to make
sense any more.

--
Grunff

"Grunff" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:

Dirt as well as blood on their hands........

Is it just me or did the country enter a bizzare twilight-zone like
reality sometime during the past 2-3 years? So little seems to make
sense any more.


It reminds me of those BBC dramas from the 70s, set in a Britain which has
become either a fascist police state, or some oppressive socialist nightmare
of incompetance. Described at the time as classic examples of the fears and
insecurities of the British middle classes. Looks like they've come true.

Cheers
Clive

In article ,
Clive Summerfield wrote:
Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I
type.....

Pity it's the wrong ones......

Seemed like the sadly inevitable conclusion from the day the inquiry was
announced.

But all these sort of enquiries find the government of the day blameless.
Profumo, anyone?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:21:17 GMT, "Clive Summerfield"
wrote:

snip

Nah. More like "Remember what happened to Kelly" said by a suitably
menacing
Alistair Campbell. Allegedly.

It will be interesting to read how much more comes out in 30 years
time.....


It will either come out with the next flavour of Government or never in our
life time, seeing that most of this can be termed security issues and thus
can be held back indefinitely IIRC.

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:42:10 +0000, Grunff wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

Dirt as well as blood on their hands........

Is it just me or did the country enter a bizzare twilight-zone like
reality sometime during the past 2-3 years? So little seems to make
sense any more.

No it isn't.

It's one thing being an MP and being caught with fingers in the till
or wearing underwear generally suited to the opposite sex and having
to resign, but at some point in the last few years a whole new level
of dishonesty with denial has come into being, one which is quite
unpleasant.

I would have said that it was like crossing the Rubikon, except that
there was no obvious defining moment.

It reminds me much more of a famous line in C.S. Lewis's "The
Screwtape Letters" :=



Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope,
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without
signposts,

Your affectionate uncle
SCREWTAPE


..andy

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Mary Fisher wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

It will be interesting to read how much more comes out in 30 years
time.....

Indeed. But if I'm still here I shan't remember what it was all about ...
:-)


Don't be so sure. I'm 46 and for the last couple of years there's been
things released under the 30-year rule that I've thought, "Hey, I
remember that" (of course I've now forgotten what they were ;-) )

Mary



Cheers
Clive


.andy

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:04:05 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman
wrote:

In article ,
Clive Summerfield wrote:
Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I
type.....

Pity it's the wrong ones......

Seemed like the sadly inevitable conclusion from the day the inquiry was
announced.

But all these sort of enquiries find the government of the day blameless.
Profumo, anyone?

Yes, but the Profumo Affair was a straightforward sex and spy story
leading to an enquiry by none other than Denning and the resignation
of the prime minister. Moral values of the era had been transgressed
and it was the red under the bed era or just after.

Here, the morality is totally gone together with the notion of
wrongdoing. Packaging it up for public consumption is as demeaning
as the thought that it's possible to get away with this type of thing.
It makes Nixon look like a choirboy.





..andy

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In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
It's one thing being an MP and being caught with fingers in the till
or wearing underwear generally suited to the opposite sex and having
to resign, but at some point in the last few years a whole new level
of dishonesty with denial has come into being, one which is quite
unpleasant.

True. Think it really started with the Thatcher woman lying through her
teeth about the sinking of the Belgrano.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Grunff wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

Dirt as well as blood on their hands........


Is it just me or did the country enter a bizzare twilight-zone like
reality sometime during the past 2-3 years? So little seems to make
sense any more.


Its called presidential rule.

Instead of issues being discussed, they are considered by one or two
people, subject to a huge bias to match their preconceptions, and
decisions made.

Then the task of selling those decisons to the public and parliament
(essentially the two mots powerful groups hat can bring you down) is
farmed out to e.g. Alistair Campbell, and the task of Implementing them
to e.g. Geoff Hoon.

In the event the decision turns out to have been oversold, or stupidly
implemented, you now have a pair of fall guys to take the rap.

If it was simply a stupid decision, you have compromised enough people
by getting them to vote for it so that they daren't actually critcise
it, but have to support it or look stupid.


Your one danger is getting voted out of office, so periodically you need
to shaft a few scapegoats. You select the most powerful of your rivals,
give him a plum job, but make it impsossible for him or her to suceed.
Then when he/she cocks up, she takes the rap amd diverts attention awy
from you.

Now and again arrange for false allegations about you to be leaked to
the Press. They will leap on these, and then you can have the
satisfaction of seeing the bosses of media companies resign, and the
investigative reporters slink back into their holes ar you prove the
allegations false.. With luck you will then be able to introcude yet
more of yoir cronies into them to 'look out for the public interest'

Remember the doctrine of credible deniability rules.

One unsupported intelligence source is quite enough to go to war on, but
is totally inadequate defense for a reporter reporting a story.



Finally, if all else fails start a completely pointless expensive and
irrelevant war, and use it as an excuse to clamp down on free speech,
dissent and to dicver attention away from and excuse all domestic failings.

Read a chapter of Machiaevelli with cup of hot ovaltine to avoid having
sex with ghastly wife each night.

Clive Summerfield wrote:

"Grunff" wrote in message
...

Andy Hall wrote:


Dirt as well as blood on their hands........

Is it just me or did the country enter a bizzare twilight-zone like
reality sometime during the past 2-3 years? So little seems to make
sense any more.



It reminds me of those BBC dramas from the 70s, set in a Britain which has
become either a fascist police state, or some oppressive socialist nightmare
of incompetance. Described at the time as classic examples of the fears and
insecurities of the British middle classes. Looks like they've come true.



The only difference between fascism and communism is that communism
pretends its all about the good of the working man, whereas fascism
pretends sits all about the good of the working man.

In all other respects thay are identical.

Remember, Hitler was elected, once.


"Democracy means one man, one vote. I am that man"

(attributed to Robert Mugabe).



Cheers
Clive

Dave Plowman wrote:

In article ,
Clive Summerfield wrote:

Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I
type.....


Pity it's the wrong ones......


Seemed like the sadly inevitable conclusion from the day the inquiry was
announced.


But all these sort of enquiries find the government of the day blameless.
Profumo, anyone?



Indeed. The whole raison d'etre of a publicenquiry is to

(a) put the whole thing sub judoce and avoid discussing it

(b) use it to shut up people who demand an explanaton.

(c) use it to find the minimal scapegoat who can be scarfificed to
preserve your position. If ou can 'subcosnciously affect theLord who is
presiding over it by hinting at knighthopods witheld or granted, you can
een use it to scalp a fe2w enemies as well.

Make sure of course that when the real issue is about whether or not you
had sex with a dossier, the enquiry is defined as whether the dossier
became pregnant with your child, which since you just wanked over it, is
a sure fire bet.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Make sure of course that when the real issue is about whether or not you
had sex with a dossier, the enquiry is defined as whether the dossier
became pregnant with your child, which since you just wanked over it, is
a sure fire bet.


ROFLMAO.

So if Sarah Keays had just given Cecil Parkinson a hand-job he wouldn't
have had to resign?

Dave Plowman wrote:

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:

It's one thing being an MP and being caught with fingers in the till
or wearing underwear generally suited to the opposite sex and having
to resign, but at some point in the last few years a whole new level
of dishonesty with denial has come into being, one which is quite
unpleasant.


True. Think it really started with the Thatcher woman lying through her
teeth about the sinking of the Belgrano.



No, its alays been that way, but the decorum has got worse, and the
sense of public obligation is now almost completely absent.

And the intelligence level is in terminal decline.

Parish wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Make sure of course that when the real issue is about whether or not
you had sex with a dossier, the enquiry is defined as whether the
dossier became pregnant with your child, which since you just wanked
over it, is a sure fire bet.


ROFLMAO.

So if Sarah Keays had just given Cecil Parkinson a hand-job he wouldn't
have had to resign?

Probably not.
No DNA evidence in those days.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Parish wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Make sure of course that when the real issue is about whether or not
you had sex with a dossier, the enquiry is defined as whether the
dossier became pregnant with your child, which since you just wanked
over it, is a sure fire bet.


ROFLMAO.

So if Sarah Keays had just given Cecil Parkinson a hand-job he
wouldn't have had to resign?


Probably not.
No DNA evidence in those days.

See there is a DIY link in there.... Cecil demonstrated how government
is like flat pack furniture, vis: as a result of one mis-placed screw
the whole cabinet falls apart!

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Cheers,

John.

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In message , John Rumm
writes
Jerry. wrote:

Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I type.....

All the wrong ones I bet ;-((

What do you expect with Hutton's track record

Hopefully, it will backfire viciously
--
geoff

In message , Dave Plowman
writes
In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
It's one thing being an MP and being caught with fingers in the till
or wearing underwear generally suited to the opposite sex and having
to resign, but at some point in the last few years a whole new level
of dishonesty with denial has come into being, one which is quite
unpleasant.

True. Think it really started with the Thatcher woman lying through her
teeth about the sinking of the Belgrano.

Yup, Blair's doing a Thatcher, it's just that she held out longer

--
geoff

In message 0, mike
ring writes
"Martin" wrote in
:



Unless Hutton gets in the way I suspect - Heads are rolling as I
type.....


Nah, looks more like another Whitewash job

I didn't realise Lord H was Scotch till I heard his speech; so I guess it's
the Scotch Mafia closing ranks again


If anyone's interested ...

"The 72 year old Baron Hutton of Bresagh, County of Down, North Ireland,
is a classic representative of the British ruling establishment. A
member of the Anglo-Irish elite, he was educated at Shewsbury all boys
boarding school, and then Balliol, Oxford, before entering the exclusive
club of the British Judiciary. Whilst British Judges are overwhelmingly
conservative, upper class, white, male and biased, Hutton's background
is even more compromised.

His name will be familiar to residents of the Six counties of Ulster.
During the bloody thrity years war Hutton was an instrument of British
state repression, starting in the late 1960's as junior counsel to the
Northern Ireland attorney general, and by 1988 rising to the top job of
Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland.

Hutton spent his career as Judge and Jury in the notorious northern
Ireland kangaroo 'Diplock Courts'. These were special non-Jury courts,
condemned by human rights advocates for their miscarriages of justice.
He was hated for this role by the families of the many innocent
catholics wrongly convicted here.

Hutton distinguished himself after the Bloody Sunday massacre of civil
rights protesters in 1972. He played a key role in the ensuing judicial
cover-up called the Widgery Inquiry which absolved British troops of
Murder. This miscarriage of justice is only now being investigated by
the current Saville inquiry.

Then in 1978 he represnted the British Government before the European
Court of Human Rights, defending it against a ruling that it abused and
maltreated detainees from the conflict.

However, he will be remembered in the rest of the UK for his role in the
1999 Pinochet affair. Another senior Judge, Lord Hoffman had contributed
to the decision to arrest and extradite the notorious former dicator of
Chile and mass murderer General Pinochet during his visit to Britain.

As a law lord, Hutton led the rightwing attack on Lord Hoffman, on the
excuse that Hoffman's links to the human rights group amnesty
international invalidated Pinochets arrest! Lord Hutton said "public
confidence in the integrity of the administration of justice would be
shaken" if Lord Hoffman's ruling was not overturned.

More recently, Hutton was also involved in the ruling that David
Shayler, the former MI5 agent, could not argue he was acting in the
public interest by revealing secrets.

This history of intimate links with, and knowledge of Britains secret
military intelligence operations meant he could be a trusted pair of
hands when it came to the Kelly affair. "

--
geoff

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:56:06 +0000, geoff wrote:

What do you expect with Hutton's track record

Would you care to expand on this theory? First I've heard of Hutton
having a track record.

PoP

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:20:00 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

It's one thing being an MP and being caught with fingers in the till
or wearing underwear generally suited to the opposite sex and having
to resign, but at some point in the last few years a whole new level
of dishonesty with denial has come into being, one which is quite
unpleasant.

Well put. I'll be surprised if we don't end up with a civil uprising
like the poll tax if this continues. Mr Stupid who lives up Public
Avenue will one day wake up and smell the coffee. I hope so anyway.

PoP

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:52:32 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman
wrote:

True. Think it really started with the Thatcher woman lying through her
teeth about the sinking of the Belgrano.

Whether the Belgrano sinking was right or wrong, it took place at a
time when war had been announced between two nations.

War was never announced for Iraq (AFAIK), and I never saw the
justification for sending our troops into harms way without being
properly equipped.

PoP

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:02:22 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

See there is a DIY link in there.... Cecil demonstrated how government
is like flat pack furniture, vis: as a result of one mis-placed screw
the whole cabinet falls apart!

Just as a comment - presumably everyone who remembers seeing him on TV
in the past saw him as a fairly substantial guy, probably about 6 feet
tall?

I was on stand duty at Olympia back in the late 80's when he was trade
and industry secretary - and he came onto the stand. This was before
Sarah became famous.

I can safely report that the guy is a midget - I'd guess about 5ft
6in, possibly less. Just shows how TV can give you the wrong
impression!

PoP

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guaranteed to reach me.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:28:10 +0000, Parish wrote:

Don't be so sure. I'm 46 and for the last couple of years there's been
things released under the 30-year rule that I've thought, "Hey, I
remember that" (of course I've now forgotten what they were ;-) )

Less than 10 years to go for The Falklands conflict. I was looking
after Portsmouth Dockyard for HP when that took place so have a vested
interest to find out more.....

PoP

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
snip

See there is a DIY link in there.... Cecil demonstrated how government
is like flat pack furniture, vis: as a result of one mis-placed screw
the whole cabinet falls apart!


LOL, Classic !!! :~)