I`ve just installed a new shower with a 8" wide 'can' type head on it. As
suspected the water flow through it isn`t that great hence I need a pump.
The instructions say the shower will support anything from 0.5bar to 4bar.
The system is gravity feed with the CW tanks in the loft and HW tank in the
basement. A total of 8m head between bottom of CW tank and top of HW tank.
Supply to HW tank is fed in 28mm, feed off HW tank to shower (approx 3m) is
in 22mm. HW tank is 200l capacity, not sure on total capacity of CW tanks as
I have three plumbed in series next to each other due to the limited space
(not big enough for one large CW tank). Shower head is approx 1m above top
of HW tank.
I have come across a Stuart Turner Showermate 1.8bar pump for a reasonable
price. Is this likely to provide me with a decent shower?
I must add that this pump may well feed another can type shower in the
future. It is highly unlikely they would be used together hence I would
prefer not to have to fork out a lot more cash for a 3bar or similar pump at
the moment.

Steve

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:46:16 -0000, "steve" wrote:

I`ve just installed a new shower with a 8" wide 'can' type head on it. As
suspected the water flow through it isn`t that great hence I need a pump.
The instructions say the shower will support anything from 0.5bar to 4bar.
The system is gravity feed with the CW tanks in the loft and HW tank in the
basement. A total of 8m head between bottom of CW tank and top of HW tank.
Supply to HW tank is fed in 28mm, feed off HW tank to shower (approx 3m) is
in 22mm. HW tank is 200l capacity, not sure on total capacity of CW tanks as
I have three plumbed in series next to each other due to the limited space
(not big enough for one large CW tank). Shower head is approx 1m above top
of HW tank.
I have come across a Stuart Turner Showermate 1.8bar pump for a reasonable
price. Is this likely to provide me with a decent shower?
I must add that this pump may well feed another can type shower in the
future. It is highly unlikely they would be used together hence I would
prefer not to have to fork out a lot more cash for a 3bar or similar pump at
the moment.

Steve

It really depends on what kind of effect you are looking for. This
type of pump will give a quite respectable power shower with a
standard head, but with this type you will get an increased volume of
water rather than much more of a power effect. That would probably
even be true on a 3bar pump, although it would be better.

Presumably you also have a 22mm feed to the shower from the roof tank
for cold water?

The main limiting factor, I suspect, will be how long the shower runs
for given the flow rate of the tanks and the fill rate from the mains.
Before you go and spend money on increasing the flow rate, I would
measure how long the shower runs for as is and decide whether that's
acceptable, also measuring the flow rate using timing of filling a
vessel of known size. That done, take a look at the pump performance
- I would expect it to increase the flow rate by a factor of two or
three - and decide whether the run time of the shower is going to be
enough.



..andy

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A total of 8m head between bottom of CW tank and top of HW tank.

Wow! That's a tall house!

Shower head is approx 1m above top of HW tank.

Your total "head", is therefore 7m. The height of the HWC is not relevent.
Only the height difference between the shower head and the cold water
cistern is important.

I have come across a Stuart Turner Showermate 1.8bar pump for a
reasonable price. Is this likely to provide me with a decent shower?

Absolutely.

I must add that this pump may well feed another can type shower in the
future. It is highly unlikely they would be used together hence I
would prefer not to have to fork out a lot more cash for a 3bar or
similar pump at the moment.

It would probably run both at the same time anyway, depending on just how
much water these shower heads take.

With the head available and the 28mm feed, I suspect you'll get away without
using a flange on the hot water cylinder. However, if you do get entrained
air, or it sucks the vent dry, then you will need to install one. Ensure
that any valves on the HWC feed line are fully open. (If gate valves, don't
actually open against the stop, close a tiny amount again to prevent
binding).

Also, put the pump as close to the cylinder as you can. Pushing is much
better than pulling. Ensure your bath taps are on the pump, too. It makes a
bath fill in no time.

Christian.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:46:16 -0000, "steve" wrote:

I`ve just installed a new shower with a 8" wide 'can' type head on it. As
suspected the water flow through it isn`t that great hence I need a pump.
The instructions say the shower will support anything from 0.5bar to
4bar.
The system is gravity feed with the CW tanks in the loft and HW tank in
the
basement. A total of 8m head between bottom of CW tank and top of HW
tank.
Supply to HW tank is fed in 28mm, feed off HW tank to shower (approx 3m)
is
in 22mm. HW tank is 200l capacity, not sure on total capacity of CW tanks
as
I have three plumbed in series next to each other due to the limited
space
(not big enough for one large CW tank). Shower head is approx 1m above
top
of HW tank.
I have come across a Stuart Turner Showermate 1.8bar pump for a
reasonable
price. Is this likely to provide me with a decent shower?
I must add that this pump may well feed another can type shower in the
future. It is highly unlikely they would be used together hence I would
prefer not to have to fork out a lot more cash for a 3bar or similar pump
at
the moment.

Steve

It really depends on what kind of effect you are looking for. This
type of pump will give a quite respectable power shower with a
standard head, but with this type you will get an increased volume of
water rather than much more of a power effect. That would probably
even be true on a 3bar pump, although it would be better.

Presumably you also have a 22mm feed to the shower from the roof tank
for cold water?

The main limiting factor, I suspect, will be how long the shower runs
for given the flow rate of the tanks and the fill rate from the mains.
Before you go and spend money on increasing the flow rate, I would
measure how long the shower runs for as is and decide whether that's
acceptable, also measuring the flow rate using timing of filling a
vessel of known size. That done, take a look at the pump performance
- I would expect it to increase the flow rate by a factor of two or
three - and decide whether the run time of the shower is going to be
enough.
Thanks Andy,
Yes there will be a seperate 22mm feed from the CW tanks.
At the moment the water just dribbles out of all of the holes in the can
head. So I suspect the shower would run for a few hours!
I think this is due to the design of the head, it seems to have some plastic
insert inside the head that evenly distributes the water to all holes in the
shower head.
I`m not really looking for a power effect, just a decent flow of water to
this and possibly one other shower.

Steve