I want to replace my front door lock (uPVC door) with a new lock that
has a turn knob for the inside rather than having to use the key to
lock it, and a normal key lock for the outside. It is a euro type
cylinder. I have looked in B&Q and couldn't see one like that. My
neighbour got a locksmith to do it and paid a fortune for the
privilege!! It is such a simple job I want to DIY................can
anyone suggest a supplier online. I have looked at
www.locksonline.com but because I need an 85cm long one (slightly
longer would be ok) I was wondering if there was anyone any
cheaper/better?

TIA

Angela

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:41:25 -0000, "Angela" wrote:

I want to replace my front door lock (uPVC door) with a new lock that
has a turn knob for the inside rather than having to use the key to
lock it, and a normal key lock for the outside. It is a euro type
cylinder. I have looked in B&Q and couldn't see one like that. My
neighbour got a locksmith to do it and paid a fortune for the
privilege!! It is such a simple job I want to DIY................can
anyone suggest a supplier online. I have looked at
www.locksonline.com but because I need an 85cm long one (slightly
longer would be ok) I was wondering if there was anyone any
cheaper/better?

TIA

Angela


I was going to suggest Walters Group, since I've bought from them, but
then realised it's the same company.

Looking at their cylinder prices, there is a fair choice of products
and the prices look reasonable to me.

Two things. Check the dimensions very carefully. It is quite
common for the cam not to be central along the length of the barrel,
so that matters as well as overall 85mm length,

Secondly, the knob is not lockable, so if the door has a glass panel
you do have a potential security risk. On the other hand, if you are
concerned about quick exit in case of fire, then this may be
acceptable to you.



..andy

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:41:25 -0000, "Angela"
wrote:

I was going to suggest Walters Group, since I've bought from them,
but
then realised it's the same company.

Looking at their cylinder prices, there is a fair choice of
products
and the prices look reasonable to me.

Two things. Check the dimensions very carefully. It is quite
common for the cam not to be central along the length of the
barrel,
so that matters as well as overall 85mm length,

Secondly, the knob is not lockable, so if the door has a glass
panel
you do have a potential security risk. On the other hand, if you
are
concerned about quick exit in case of fire, then this may be
acceptable to you.

.andy

Yes they look pretty reasonable, just wanted to see if there were
cheaper!!

I need 40 on the inside and 45 on the outside, I have emailed them to
check the sizing. Fire safety is an issue but the reason I want to
change is much more simple - I locked myself out!! the door slammed
to but the keys were still in the door so although 2 of my neighbours
had keys (because I always feared this would happen) I couldn't get
back in.....................had to pay £75 for a locksmith to come
with a sturdy tool to pull the keys out. Good job I had keys he
would have charged me another £70 to take the lock out which he said
would involve breaking the handle too............and of course a
replacement lock..........I doubt I would have seen much change out
of £200!!

Angela

"Angela" wrote in message
...

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
.....
Secondly, the knob is not lockable, so if the door has a glass
panel
you do have a potential security risk. On the other hand, if you
are
concerned about quick exit in case of fire, then this may be
acceptable to you.

However, it may not be acceptable to your insurance company. Check that it
does not invalidate your household contents insurance.

....
I need 40 on the inside and 45 on the outside, I have emailed them to
check the sizing. Fire safety is an issue but the reason I want to
change is much more simple - I locked myself out!! the door slammed
to but the keys were still in the door so although 2 of my neighbours
had keys (because I always feared this would happen) I couldn't get
back in.....................had to pay £75 for a locksmith to come
with a sturdy tool to pull the keys out. Good job I had keys he
would have charged me another £70 to take the lock out which he said
would involve breaking the handle too............and of course a
replacement lock..........I doubt I would have seen much change out
of £200!!

You could simply get a cylinder pair where having the keys in one side does
not prevent you operating the cylinder on the other. Some do, some don't.
Alternatively, fit a lock that does not slam lock.

Colin Bignell

"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert_my_surname_here wrote in
message . ..
I need 40 on the inside and 45 on the outside, I have emailed
them to
check the sizing. Fire safety is an issue but the reason I want
to
change is much more simple - I locked myself out!! the door
slammed
to but the keys were still in the door so although 2 of my
neighbours
had keys (because I always feared this would happen) I couldn't
get
back in.....................had to pay £75 for a locksmith to
come
with a sturdy tool to pull the keys out. Good job I had keys he
would have charged me another £70 to take the lock out which he
said
would involve breaking the handle too............and of course a
replacement lock..........I doubt I would have seen much change
out
of £200!!

You could simply get a cylinder pair where having the keys in one
side does
not prevent you operating the cylinder on the other. Some do, some
don't.
Alternatively, fit a lock that does not slam lock.

Colin Bignell
Apparently to have a door that doesn't shut behind me requires
replacement of the whole locking mechanism, the locksmith said it
would be about £250 + vat!

Any idea where I can get a double cylinder?

Angela

"Angela" wrote in message
...

"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert_my_surname_here wrote in
message . ..
I need 40 on the inside and 45 on the outside, I have emailed
them to
check the sizing. Fire safety is an issue but the reason I want
to
change is much more simple - I locked myself out!! the door
slammed
to but the keys were still in the door so although 2 of my
neighbours
had keys (because I always feared this would happen) I couldn't
get
back in.....................had to pay £75 for a locksmith to
come
with a sturdy tool to pull the keys out. Good job I had keys he
would have charged me another £70 to take the lock out which he
said
would involve breaking the handle too............and of course a
replacement lock..........I doubt I would have seen much change
out
of £200!!

You could simply get a cylinder pair where having the keys in one
side does
not prevent you operating the cylinder on the other. Some do, some
don't.
Alternatively, fit a lock that does not slam lock.

Colin Bignell
Apparently to have a door that doesn't shut behind me requires
replacement of the whole locking mechanism, the locksmith said it
would be about £250 + vat!

That sounds like a multi-point lock.

Any idea where I can get a double cylinder?

I buy mine from a traditional locksmith, rather than one of the places that
calls itself a Security Centre and charges extra for doing so. Most DIY
sheds sell Europrofile cylinders, but I'm not sure whether they do the
asymmetric type you need. However a symmetrical 45/45 would only mean that
the cylinder protrudes and extra 5mm on the inside, which is less of a
security issue than if it stuck out further on the outside. If the cylinder
is marked to show that one end should be on either the outside or the inside
of the door, it is probably biased, the way yours is, and will not let you
operate it from one side if there is a key in the other. Mine are reversible
and allow me to work the lock from either side, irrespective of whether a
key is in the other side or not.

Colin Bignell

"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert_my_surname_here wrote in
message ...
Any idea where I can get a double cylinder?

I buy mine from a traditional locksmith, rather than one of the
places that
calls itself a Security Centre and charges extra for doing so. Most
DIY
sheds sell Europrofile cylinders, but I'm not sure whether they do
the
asymmetric type you need. However a symmetrical 45/45 would only
mean that
the cylinder protrudes and extra 5mm on the inside, which is less
of a
security issue than if it stuck out further on the outside. If the
cylinder
is marked to show that one end should be on either the outside or
the inside
of the door, it is probably biased, the way yours is, and will not
let you
operate it from one side if there is a key in the other. Mine are
reversible
and allow me to work the lock from either side, irrespective of
whether a
key is in the other side or not.

Colin Bignell

I emailed one of the companies I found online and the reply I got
was:

As the key pushes a clutch, inside the cylinder, from side to side,
there isn't a conventional cylinder available that allows you to
operate the lock from the outside, if the key is on the inside.

So I'm not sure a lock such as you describe even exists! So now I'm
not sure what to do.

Angela

"Angela" wrote in message
...
I want to replace my front door lock (uPVC door) with a new lock that
has a turn knob for the inside rather than having to use the key to
lock it, and a normal key lock for the outside. It is a euro type
cylinder. I have looked in B&Q and couldn't see one like that. My
neighbour got a locksmith to do it and paid a fortune for the
privilege!! It is such a simple job I want to DIY................can
anyone suggest a supplier online. I have looked at
www.locksonline.com but because I need an 85cm long one (slightly
longer would be ok) I was wondering if there was anyone any
cheaper/better?



http://www.lockcentre.com/popup.cfm?p_n=94140&p_i=94140

If not try http://www.lockcentre.com and do a search on Euro

Changing the cylinder is quite easy. There is a long screw which you have to
undo. The screw is accessible when the door is open (i.e. is in the edge of the
door). The head of the screw will be just below the deadlock. You may have to
remove a plate first - undo two small screws first

When you have removed the long screw you can just push the Euro cylinder out.


Michael Chare

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:49:33 +0000 (UTC), "Michael Chare"
wrote:

When you have removed the long screw you can just push the Euro cylinder out.

You'll probably need to put the key in and rotate the cylinder first,
then it should just slip out easily. Plenty of people (posters here
too) have removed the screw and wondered why it still doesn't move.