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[email protected] December 28th 03 01:05 AM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 


Andy Evans wrote:

My washing machine won't drain - where do I look first? There's a filter at the
bottom. If it isn't that, is it internal, or just the exit pipe is clogged? Can
I pour that fould drain cleaning fluid in to it or should I - groan - pull the
damn thing out (it's heavy) and look round the back? What's the basic
fault-finding process?
Thank you for helping me avoid BO! Andy


First pull the drain hose and put it lower than the drum, if it runs
freely the pumps stuck, if slowly the interceptor/filter has something
in it, either way you will end up having to drain it and/or flood the
floor. Thats why ours is right next to the conservatory door, easy to
drain outside! Oh yeas look for a new one pence piece stuck where the
hose fits to a spigot if its fully plumbed in, BTDT!#

Niel.


Andy Evans December 28th 03 09:55 PM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
My washing machine won't drain - where do I look first? There's a filter at the
bottom. If it isn't that, is it internal, or just the exit pipe is clogged? Can
I pour that fould drain cleaning fluid in to it or should I - groan - pull the
damn thing out (it's heavy) and look round the back? What's the basic
fault-finding process?
Thank you for helping me avoid BO! Andy

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Tom December 28th 03 10:10 PM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
Water pump failed?

Cheers,
Tom

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
My washing machine won't drain - where do I look first? There's a filter

at the
bottom. If it isn't that, is it internal, or just the exit pipe is

clogged? Can
I pour that fould drain cleaning fluid in to it or should I - groan - pull

the
damn thing out (it's heavy) and look round the back? What's the basic
fault-finding process?
Thank you for helping me avoid BO! Andy

=== Andy Evans ===
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R P McMurphy December 28th 03 10:20 PM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
My washing machine won't drain - where do I look first? There's a filter

at the
bottom. If it isn't that, is it internal, or just the exit pipe is

clogged? Can
I pour that fould drain cleaning fluid in to it or should I - groan - pull

the
damn thing out (it's heavy) and look round the back? What's the basic
fault-finding process?
Thank you for helping me avoid BO! Andy

=== Andy Evans ===


Check for missing sox, undies ect in the pump or the sump under neathe the
machine if no luck with the pre pump filter that is proberbly on the front
of the machine.

steve



Bob Minchin December 28th 03 10:28 PM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
Andy Evans wrote:
My washing machine won't drain - where do I look first? There's a filter at the
bottom. If it isn't that, is it internal, or just the exit pipe is clogged? Can
I pour that fould drain cleaning fluid in to it or should I - groan - pull the
damn thing out (it's heavy) and look round the back? What's the basic
fault-finding process?
Thank you for helping me avoid BO! Andy

=== Andy Evans ===
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The first approach depends on whether you like playing with water or
electricity!
Taking the filter cover off will dump all the water on the floor.
It is possible that the pump is jammed. Turen off the power and water
Pull out the machine, take off the back and turn the pump by hand (there
is usually a fan to get hold of.
Assuming this is free to turn, disconnect the wiresfrom the pump and
make up a lead with a plug on on end and and connect the other end to
the pump. This should make the pump run. If it does not turn, then get
ready for the big puddle on the floor method.
If it pumps out then - fine.
If the pump runs but it does not pump out then you could have a blocked
drain pipe. With care and being prepared for the flood, remove the
outlet hose and unblock it.
Having got the water out and the washing out too. you can then
investigate why the pump is not being powered by the controller.
Pumps are relatively unversal with the main coice being the relative
position of the inlet, outlet and mounting holes. Your local repair shop
will possibly sell you a genereic model much cheaper than the
manufacturer's spare part.

Good luck

Bob

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Harry Bloomfield December 29th 03 12:02 AM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
On 28/12/2003 "Andy Evans" opined:-
My washing machine won't drain - where do I look first? There's a filter at
the bottom. If it isn't that, is it internal, or just the exit pipe is
clogged? Can I pour that fould drain cleaning fluid in to it or should I -
groan - pull the damn thing out (it's heavy) and look round the back? What's
the basic fault-finding process?


1. Check the drain pipe is not kinked.
2. Check it is not blocked.

Then pull it out, remove the cover and see if there is rotation of the
pump. There is often a small cooling fan on the end of the pump shaft,
which will give a clue. If there is no rotation, it could be jammed,
burnt out, seized or perhaps no supply to the pump.

You can drain it by lowering the pump outlet pipe into a bowl or
similar.

Our machines pump stopped working a few months back, it turned out to
be some coins simply jamming the pump impellor. The cooling fan fins
could be moved a little way, which proved it wasn't seized.

I removed both rubber hoses and got the coins out with a pair of long
nosed pliers. Enough for a pint down the pub, in there ;-)

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Harry Bloomfield December 29th 03 12:04 AM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
"Andy Evans" wrote on Sunday (28/12/2003) :
Can
I pour that fould drain cleaning fluid in to it


No, don't do that....!

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http://www.ukradioamateur.org


Andy Evans December 29th 03 12:12 AM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
This is all very helpful. Now, the machine is currently empty - I've done the
'draining through the front' theatre. Conveniently I live on the 2nd floor. So
given that the machine's empty, can I try some other method?

It's looking like the machine needs to come out. I'm fine with electrics, so
after I check that the pipe's not blocked, I'll look at the pump. No cute
diagnostic tricks I can use before I pull the bloody thing out?

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Red Herring December 29th 03 01:35 AM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 

"Tom" wrote in message
.. .
Water pump failed?

If it is a faulty pump, in my experience, the impeller free's itself from
the knurled shaft. Drill through the impeller & shaft and insert a piece of
stainless rod, 1/16" maybe. Seems to last forever after that.



PoP December 29th 03 07:20 AM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
On 29 Dec 2003 00:12:44 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

This is all very helpful. Now, the machine is currently empty - I've done the
'draining through the front' theatre. Conveniently I live on the 2nd floor. So
given that the machine's empty, can I try some other method?


I have visions of the two flats immediately below you having put up
umbrellas..... ;)

It's looking like the machine needs to come out. I'm fine with electrics, so
after I check that the pipe's not blocked, I'll look at the pump. No cute
diagnostic tricks I can use before I pull the bloody thing out?


Not that I'm aware of.

Make sure you disconnect from the electrical supply before you start
diving in (pun not intended).

The pump is a fairly common thing to go wrong. Your mission in
removing the back cover will be to locate the pump (shouldn't be hard,
it'll be at the bottom), then try spinning the rotor by hand if
possible.

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Phil December 29th 03 09:27 AM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
Harry Bloomfield wrote in message .uk...
"Andy Evans" wrote on Sunday (28/12/2003) :
Can
I pour that fould drain cleaning fluid in to it


No, don't do that....!


Smell Lad Smell
It is often a good idea to give a pump or any motor a quick sniff for
burning odour as this may stop you wasting a lot of time with messing
around
HTH Phil

Chippy December 29th 03 12:14 PM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
PoP wrote in message . ..

Make sure you disconnect from the electrical supply before you start
diving in (pun not intended).

The pump is a fairly common thing to go wrong. Your mission in
removing the back cover will be to locate the pump (shouldn't be hard,
it'll be at the bottom), then try spinning the rotor by hand if
possible.


Before removing anything, and before disconnecting the electricity, if
the machine has a rotary electro-mechanical control knob this should
be rotated while listening for the pump cutting in.

It also might help if the OP stated make and model.

N. Thornton December 29th 03 02:13 PM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
ohawker (Andy Evans) wrote in message ...
This is all very helpful. Now, the machine is currently empty - I've done the
'draining through the front' theatre. Conveniently I live on the 2nd floor. So
given that the machine's empty, can I try some other method?


Then the machine is NOT empty. Knowing this will help you avoid
flooding.

The basic method to disgnosis is divide and conquer. Each time you can
narrow the fault down to anything less than all possible items, youre
eliminating some possibles from the list of suspects. Eventually you
end up with just one thing on the list.

The water path is as follows:
drum
short fat wiggly rubber hose in bottom of machine
pump - clogged, broken, or burnt out
machine drain pipe
U bend on wall
drain pipe attached to wall.
You may also have a filter and a second rubber tube.


Regards, NT

Andy Evans December 29th 03 03:54 PM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
Before removing anything, and before disconnecting the electricity, if
the machine has a rotary electro-mechanical control knob this should be rotated
while listening for the pump cutting in. It also might help if the OP stated
make and model.

Ah! helpful. But can I do this without water, i.e. by shutting the taps going
into the machine? It's a Whirlpool W100 also says "1000" on it.

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John Rouse December 29th 03 10:33 PM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
In article , Andy Evans
writes
This is all very helpful. Now, the machine is currently empty - I've done the
'draining through the front' theatre. Conveniently I live on the 2nd floor. So
given that the machine's empty, can I try some other method?

It's looking like the machine needs to come out. I'm fine with electrics, so
after I check that the pipe's not blocked, I'll look at the pump. No cute
diagnostic tricks I can use before I pull the bloody thing out?


I found after I drained the thing a trayful at a time that there is a
little hose tucked away next to the fluff filter that allows you to
drain the pump completely. I bought a replacement pump from one of the
internet sites, and the hose connector was fractionally smaller than on
the original, which meant a lot of creative tie-wrapping to get it to
fit.

John
--
John Rouse

Chippy December 30th 03 01:23 AM

Help - washing machine won't drain!
 
ohawker (Andy Evans) wrote in message ...
Before removing anything, and before disconnecting the electricity, if
the machine has a rotary electro-mechanical control knob this should be rotated
while listening for the pump cutting in. It also might help if the OP stated
make and model.

Ah! helpful. But can I do this without water, i.e. by shutting the taps going
into the machine? It's a Whirlpool W100 also says "1000" on it.


I've no experience with Whirlpool machines, but, yes, you should do no
harm by trying the pump with water shut off.

If the pump runs you have established that it is not an electrical
fault on the pump circuit. It is therefore a blockage or the impeller
has come loose on the shaft.

In either case it will then be time to move the machine and start
looking inside, either to clear a blockage or to change the pump
(neither are big jobs).

Myself, I would try running another cycle - it could have been one of
those odd one-off faults; a dirty contact in the controller, perhaps,
and the machine might subsequently run OK.


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