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On 30/05/2016 08:50, Brian Gaff wrote:
Don't know about that, I've always thought that inductive chargers are pretty inefficient, even if driven at high frequencies. I suppose you could have a bit battery and a cable to your device which would be safer than a mains connection of any kind. Brian Toothbrushes already use an inductive charger - but a proprietary one that typically has plastic "pin" that fits into the body of the brush. I don't think the inefficiencies are going to make much difference overall. -- Rod |
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On 30/05/16 08:50, Brian Gaff wrote:
I've always thought that inductive chargers are pretty inefficient, even if driven at high frequencies. Actually, they are pretty efficient. Especially regulating ones -- Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people. But Marxism is the crack cocaine. |
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polygonum wrote:
How dangerous would it be to use a phone or tablet in the bath whilst it is connected to a mains-powered USB charger? Obviously it could be dangerous to the device itself if you drop it into the water! Obviously a 5 volt low current supply isn't usually life threatening. Obviously we have rules about sockets in bathrooms. But a long USB cable to a socket in another room seems a likely way round that. But if something is wrong somewhere, such as a mis-wired USB charger, could there be any appreciable danger? Is there in future likely to be a bathroom-safe USB socket next to the shaver and toothbrush socket? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...trying-7417805 http://metro.co.uk/2003/10/29/mobile...-death-380929/ |
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On 30/05/2016 10:00, F Murtz wrote:
polygonum wrote: How dangerous would it be to use a phone or tablet in the bath whilst it is connected to a mains-powered USB charger? Obviously it could be dangerous to the device itself if you drop it into the water! Obviously a 5 volt low current supply isn't usually life threatening. Obviously we have rules about sockets in bathrooms. But a long USB cable to a socket in another room seems a likely way round that. But if something is wrong somewhere, such as a mis-wired USB charger, could there be any appreciable danger? Is there in future likely to be a bathroom-safe USB socket next to the shaver and toothbrush socket? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...trying-7417805 http://metro.co.uk/2003/10/29/mobile...-death-380929/ Both of those involve the charger itself - clearly something not to be done. Relevant but what was in my mind was more the danger even if the USB lead were maximum length and the charger and socket were in another room. Or the charger were specially designed for bathroom use (like a shaver/toothbrush socket) - that is, assuming it is possible to design one that is safe. -- Rod |
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"polygonum" wrote in message ... On 30/05/2016 10:00, F Murtz wrote: polygonum wrote: How dangerous would it be to use a phone or tablet in the bath whilst it is connected to a mains-powered USB charger? Obviously it could be dangerous to the device itself if you drop it into the water! Obviously a 5 volt low current supply isn't usually life threatening. Obviously we have rules about sockets in bathrooms. But a long USB cable to a socket in another room seems a likely way round that. But if something is wrong somewhere, such as a mis-wired USB charger, could there be any appreciable danger? Is there in future likely to be a bathroom-safe USB socket next to the shaver and toothbrush socket? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...trying-7417805 http://metro.co.uk/2003/10/29/mobile...-death-380929/ Both of those involve the charger itself - clearly something not to be done. Relevant but what was in my mind was more the danger even if the USB lead were maximum length and the charger and socket were in another room. Or the charger were specially designed for bathroom use (like a shaver/toothbrush socket) - that is, assuming it is possible to design one that is safe. No assumption involved, of course it is possible. |
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... Is there in future likely to be a bathroom-safe USB socket next to the shaver and toothbrush socket? Fitted 12 last week. -- Adam |
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On 30/05/2016 15:16, ARW wrote:
"polygonum" wrote in message ... Is there in future likely to be a bathroom-safe USB socket next to the shaver and toothbrush socket? Fitted 12 last week. You got a link, Adam? -- Rod |
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On Monday, 30 May 2016 08:50:07 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
tabbypurr wrote harry wrote tabbypurr wrote Rod Speed wrote polygonum wrote How dangerous would it be to use a phone or tablet in the bath whilst it is connected to a mains-powered USB charger? Not dangerous at all if the charger is designed properly so that no matter what fails you can ever get any mains voltage on the USB. Of course even a well designed charger doesn't meet that naive expectation. It is possible to do it with a properly designed transformer. But these seem to be none existent these days. Expense I suppose. Harry isn't en electronic engineer. You dont have a ****ing clue about how to design a USB charger so that whatever fails it is never a life threatening problem, even if it is used in a wet area like a bathroom. Fortunately operations like Apple dont actually employ fools like you to design their USB chargers. You may be a waste of space but at least you amuse once a month or 2. I've long since lost count of how many PSUs I've designed. NT |
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On Monday, 30 May 2016 10:15:32 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Perfectly possible to design the charger properly so that it is always completely safe even when something has failed. Good chargers aren't quite that good. But designing a charger to stay safe no matter what fails is an impossibly tall order. As anyone with skills in the relevant area knows. Rodney's ignorant child-like assumptions are frankly not very constructive. NT |
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On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 14:21:00 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 31/05/16 14:00, tabbypurr wrote: On Monday, 30 May 2016 10:15:32 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Perfectly possible to design the charger properly so that it is always completely safe even when something has failed. Good chargers aren't quite that good. But designing a charger to stay safe no matter what fails is an impossibly tall order. As anyone with skills in the relevant area knows. Rodney's ignorant child-like assumptions are frankly not very constructive. Lord. I am going to - if not leap - reluctantly step to to the defense of wodders. Random monkeys and all that. Oh dear The way SMPSUs work, is ultimately by having a high voltage bit and a low voltage bit and separating them physically. They are bridged by typically a high frequency ferrite cored transformer, and its possible to do things that isolate mains from LV almost completely. with several mm of plastic in between. The only other linkage needed is some kind of negative feedback to achieve regulation. You can, in uncritical applications take that off a third winding on the transformer, or for more precision use things like optical isolators. What this means is that there is no chance of mains getting onto the LV side *due to electronic component failure*. You need to somehow breach the integrity of the physical insulators inherent in air gaps, plastic transformer bobbins, or optical isolators. Dropping the thing into a bathtub will do just that of course. Lets have a reality check now. Any of the following can result in mains appearing on the output: Transformer insulation failure. In the real world some have the bobbin missing, once in a blue moon one gets wound wrong, or a wire crossing over where it shouldn't etc. Not common with bobbin transformers but it can happen. Optoisolator failure. Again uncommon, but a big fat voltage spike, which isn't too hard to create, can result in failure here. Dirt bridging the insulating gaps. And finally a stray mains wire touching the low v side. While good design significantly reduces the risk of these, all can and have occurred in the real world. As will some gross manufacturing defects they do happen IRL. That was a one in a million chance. To be so close and yet pass cold testing, to fail in a hot amp in a hot climate.. I recall watching safety critical components that were failing tests get a pass. Again IRL it does happen. In the context of USB sockets in bathrooms, they would however certainly be no worse than an electric shaver socket. In reality direct mains on output is more common with wallwart size supplies, and the user appliance connected typically provides zero insulation between 5v and user. Mains appliances of course do. Ex of gross and deliberate assault with a deadly soldering iron a USB in wall charge point should be mains isolated and completely safe. Should be? Of course. But it's hard to find much that's completely safe or always as it should be in real life. NT |
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wrote in message ... On Monday, 30 May 2016 08:50:07 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: tabbypurr wrote harry wrote tabbypurr wrote Rod Speed wrote polygonum wrote How dangerous would it be to use a phone or tablet in the bath whilst it is connected to a mains-powered USB charger? Not dangerous at all if the charger is designed properly so that no matter what fails you can ever get any mains voltage on the USB. Of course even a well designed charger doesn't meet that naive expectation. It is possible to do it with a properly designed transformer. But these seem to be none existent these days. Expense I suppose. Harry isn't en electronic engineer. You dont have a ****ing clue about how to design a USB charger so that whatever fails it is never a life threatening problem, even if it is used in a wet area like a bathroom. Fortunately operations like Apple dont actually employ fools like you to design their USB chargers. You may be a waste of space but at least you amuse once a month or 2. I've long since lost count of how many PSUs I've designed. But clearly dont have a ****ing clue about how to do the transformer so that whatever fails you can never get the mains voltage on the output. No surprise that the manufacturers with even half a clue like Apple have never actually been stupid enough to get you to design anything for them. |
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Rod Speed wrote Perfectly possible to design the charger properly so that it is always completely safe even when something has failed. Good chargers aren't quite that good. BULL****. But designing a charger to stay safe no matter what fails is an impossibly tall order. BULL****. It is perfectly possible to do a USB charger so that whatever fails there will never be mains voltage on the USB. ALL that is necessary with the transformer is to use a bobbin that mechanically separates the coils so that whatever insulation fails, there is never and electrical connection between the primary and secondary. |
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wrote in message ... On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 14:21:00 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 31/05/16 14:00, tabbypurr wrote: On Monday, 30 May 2016 10:15:32 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Perfectly possible to design the charger properly so that it is always completely safe even when something has failed. Good chargers aren't quite that good. But designing a charger to stay safe no matter what fails is an impossibly tall order. As anyone with skills in the relevant area knows. Rodney's ignorant child-like assumptions are frankly not very constructive. Lord. I am going to - if not leap - reluctantly step to to the defense of wodders. Random monkeys and all that. Oh dear Oh cheep in your case. The way SMPSUs work, is ultimately by having a high voltage bit and a low voltage bit and separating them physically. They are bridged by typically a high frequency ferrite cored transformer, and its possible to do things that isolate mains from LV almost completely. with several mm of plastic in between. The only other linkage needed is some kind of negative feedback to achieve regulation. You can, in uncritical applications take that off a third winding on the transformer, or for more precision use things like optical isolators. What this means is that there is no chance of mains getting onto the LV side *due to electronic component failure*. You need to somehow breach the integrity of the physical insulators inherent in air gaps, plastic transformer bobbins, or optical isolators. Dropping the thing into a bathtub will do just that of course. Lets have a reality check now. Any of the following can result in mains appearing on the output: Transformer insulation failure. Not when there are multiple levels of insulation, the bobbin, the insulation on the wire of the coils. In the real world some have the bobbin missing, Trivial to ensure that those are caught in the quality control. once in a blue moon one gets wound wrong, Trivial to ensure that those are caught in the quality control. or a wire crossing over where it shouldn't etc. Trivial to ensure that those are caught in the quality control. Not common with bobbin transformers but it can happen. And trivial to catch in the quality control. Optoisolator failure. Trivial to design those so they fail safe and dont end up with the mains getting to the USB. Again uncommon, but a big fat voltage spike, which isn't too hard to create, can result in failure here. Trivial to design those so they fail safe and dont end up with the mains getting to the USB. Dirt bridging the insulating gaps. Trivial to ensure that dirt can't get in. And finally a stray mains wire touching the low v side. Trivial to design it so that there are no wires long enough to do that if they do come off what they are attached to. While good design significantly reduces the risk of these, all can and have occurred in the real world. Trivial to ensure that when that does happen you STILL dont get mains on the USB. As will some gross manufacturing defects they do happen IRL. And trivial to ensure that those get caught by quality control. That was a one in a million chance. To be so close and yet pass cold testing, to fail in a hot amp in a hot climate.. I recall watching safety critical components that were failing tests get a pass. Again IRL it does happen. Trivial to ensure that when that happens it fails safe. In the context of USB sockets in bathrooms, they would however certainly be no worse than an electric shaver socket. In reality direct mains on output is more common with wallwart size supplies, Only because ****wits like you dont use proper bobbins in the transformer. and the user appliance connected typically provides zero insulation between 5v and user. Mains appliances of course do. Another lie. Ex of gross and deliberate assault with a deadly soldering iron a USB in wall charge point should be mains isolated and completely safe. Should be? Of course. But it's hard to find much that's completely safe or always as it should be in real life. Pigs arse it is, just use those produced by the manufacturers with a clue like Apple. |
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On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 23:45:16 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message ... On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 14:21:00 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 31/05/16 14:00, tabbypurr wrote: On Monday, 30 May 2016 10:15:32 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Perfectly possible to design the charger properly so that it is always completely safe even when something has failed. Good chargers aren't quite that good. But designing a charger to stay safe no matter what fails is an impossibly tall order. As anyone with skills in the relevant area knows. Rodney's ignorant child-like assumptions are frankly not very constructive. Lord. I am going to - if not leap - reluctantly step to to the defense of wodders. Random monkeys and all that. Oh dear Oh cheep in your case. The way SMPSUs work, is ultimately by having a high voltage bit and a low voltage bit and separating them physically. They are bridged by typically a high frequency ferrite cored transformer, and its possible to do things that isolate mains from LV almost completely. with several mm of plastic in between. The only other linkage needed is some kind of negative feedback to achieve regulation. You can, in uncritical applications take that off a third winding on the transformer, or for more precision use things like optical isolators. What this means is that there is no chance of mains getting onto the LV side *due to electronic component failure*. You need to somehow breach the integrity of the physical insulators inherent in air gaps, plastic transformer bobbins, or optical isolators. Dropping the thing into a bathtub will do just that of course. Lets have a reality check now. Any of the following can result in mains appearing on the output: Transformer insulation failure. Not when there are multiple levels of insulation, the bobbin, the insulation on the wire of the coils. In the real world some have the bobbin missing, Trivial to ensure that those are caught in the quality control. once in a blue moon one gets wound wrong, Trivial to ensure that those are caught in the quality control. or a wire crossing over where it shouldn't etc. Trivial to ensure that those are caught in the quality control. Not common with bobbin transformers but it can happen. And trivial to catch in the quality control. Optoisolator failure. Trivial to design those so they fail safe and dont end up with the mains getting to the USB. Again uncommon, but a big fat voltage spike, which isn't too hard to create, can result in failure here. Trivial to design those so they fail safe and dont end up with the mains getting to the USB. Dirt bridging the insulating gaps. Trivial to ensure that dirt can't get in. And finally a stray mains wire touching the low v side. Trivial to design it so that there are no wires long enough to do that if they do come off what they are attached to. While good design significantly reduces the risk of these, all can and have occurred in the real world. Trivial to ensure that when that does happen you STILL dont get mains on the USB. As will some gross manufacturing defects they do happen IRL. And trivial to ensure that those get caught by quality control. That was a one in a million chance. To be so close and yet pass cold testing, to fail in a hot amp in a hot climate.. I recall watching safety critical components that were failing tests get a pass. Again IRL it does happen. Trivial to ensure that when that happens it fails safe. In the context of USB sockets in bathrooms, they would however certainly be no worse than an electric shaver socket. In reality direct mains on output is more common with wallwart size supplies, Only because ****wits like you dont use proper bobbins in the transformer. and the user appliance connected typically provides zero insulation between 5v and user. Mains appliances of course do. Another lie. Ex of gross and deliberate assault with a deadly soldering iron a USB in wall charge point should be mains isolated and completely safe. Should be? Of course. But it's hard to find much that's completely safe or always as it should be in real life. Pigs arse it is, just use those produced by the manufacturers with a clue like Apple. Welcome back to the retarded morons' corner of the killfile. |
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wrote in message ... On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 23:45:16 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: tabbypurr wrote in message ... On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 14:21:00 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 31/05/16 14:00, tabbypurr wrote: On Monday, 30 May 2016 10:15:32 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Perfectly possible to design the charger properly so that it is always completely safe even when something has failed. Good chargers aren't quite that good. But designing a charger to stay safe no matter what fails is an impossibly tall order. As anyone with skills in the relevant area knows. Rodney's ignorant child-like assumptions are frankly not very constructive. Lord. I am going to - if not leap - reluctantly step to to the defense of wodders. Random monkeys and all that. Oh dear Oh cheep in your case. The way SMPSUs work, is ultimately by having a high voltage bit and a low voltage bit and separating them physically. They are bridged by typically a high frequency ferrite cored transformer, and its possible to do things that isolate mains from LV almost completely. with several mm of plastic in between. The only other linkage needed is some kind of negative feedback to achieve regulation. You can, in uncritical applications take that off a third winding on the transformer, or for more precision use things like optical isolators. What this means is that there is no chance of mains getting onto the LV side *due to electronic component failure*. You need to somehow breach the integrity of the physical insulators inherent in air gaps, plastic transformer bobbins, or optical isolators. Dropping the thing into a bathtub will do just that of course. Lets have a reality check now. Any of the following can result in mains appearing on the output: Transformer insulation failure. Not when there are multiple levels of insulation, the bobbin, the insulation on the wire of the coils. In the real world some have the bobbin missing, Trivial to ensure that those are caught in the quality control. once in a blue moon one gets wound wrong, Trivial to ensure that those are caught in the quality control. or a wire crossing over where it shouldn't etc. Trivial to ensure that those are caught in the quality control. Not common with bobbin transformers but it can happen. And trivial to catch in the quality control. Optoisolator failure. Trivial to design those so they fail safe and dont end up with the mains getting to the USB. Again uncommon, but a big fat voltage spike, which isn't too hard to create, can result in failure here. Trivial to design those so they fail safe and dont end up with the mains getting to the USB. Dirt bridging the insulating gaps. Trivial to ensure that dirt can't get in. And finally a stray mains wire touching the low v side. Trivial to design it so that there are no wires long enough to do that if they do come off what they are attached to. While good design significantly reduces the risk of these, all can and have occurred in the real world. Trivial to ensure that when that does happen you STILL dont get mains on the USB. As will some gross manufacturing defects they do happen IRL. And trivial to ensure that those get caught by quality control. That was a one in a million chance. To be so close and yet pass cold testing, to fail in a hot amp in a hot climate.. I recall watching safety critical components that were failing tests get a pass. Again IRL it does happen. Trivial to ensure that when that happens it fails safe. In the context of USB sockets in bathrooms, they would however certainly be no worse than an electric shaver socket. In reality direct mains on output is more common with wallwart size supplies, Only because ****wits like you dont use proper bobbins in the transformer. and the user appliance connected typically provides zero insulation between 5v and user. Mains appliances of course do. Another lie. Ex of gross and deliberate assault with a deadly soldering iron a USB in wall charge point should be mains isolated and completely safe. Should be? Of course. But it's hard to find much that's completely safe or always as it should be in real life. Pigs arse it is, just use those produced by the manufacturers with a clue like Apple. Welcome back to the retarded morons' corner of the killfile. You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag. |
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You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag. Have I heard that somewhere before? :-) -- Chris Green · |
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On Wednesday, 1 June 2016 09:16:17 UTC+1, wrote:
9pl wrote: You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag. Have I heard that somewhere before? :-) The only one that's ever tried it is wodney. |
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"Huge" wrote in message ... On 2016-05-31, 9pl wrote: [139 lines snipped] You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag. FFS learn to snip. Go and **** yourself. |
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On Wednesday, 1 June 2016 11:31:12 UTC+1, Rodtard wrote:
"Huge" wrote in message ... On 2016-05-31, 9pl wrote: [139 lines snipped] You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag. FFS learn to snip. Go and **** yourself. If only Rodney would learn to take his own advice. No-one here wants him around. Nobody. |
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wrote in message ... On Wednesday, 1 June 2016 11:31:12 UTC+1, Rodtard wrote: "Huge" wrote in message ... On 2016-05-31, 9pl wrote: [139 lines snipped] You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag. FFS learn to snip. Go and **** yourself. If only Rodney would learn to take his own advice. No-one here wants him around. Nobody. He's too stupid to realise it. Even his takers are getting fewer. Maybe he uses usenet as write-only. |
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"polygonum" wrote in message
... On 30/05/2016 15:16, ARW wrote: "polygonum" wrote in message ... Is there in future likely to be a bathroom-safe USB socket next to the shaver and toothbrush socket? Fitted 12 last week. You got a link, Adam? These http://www.anselluk.com/products/APLEDDVRL/p1445 Personally I think they are ****. Don't ask - it's not the work I want to do - but it is possibly 5 years of getting paid very well for doing very little. -- Adam |
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2016 19:10:02 +0100, ARW wrote:
Is there in future likely to be a bathroom-safe USB socket next to the shaver and toothbrush socket? Fitted 12 last week. You got a link, Adam? These http://www.anselluk.com/products/APLEDDVRL/p1445 Personally I think they are ****. Don't ask - it's not the work I want to do - but it is possibly 5 years of getting paid very well for doing very little. scratches head Who the flying ****erigar wants to charge USB **** in the bog? Is it just me who really does not get this? |
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Adrian wrote:
ARW wrote: http://www.anselluk.com/products/APLEDDVRL/p1445 Presumably the USB side is fed from the isolating transformer? Who the flying ****erigar wants to charge USB **** in the bog? Is it just me who really does not get this? Sounds like a beats-as-it-sweeps-as-it-cleans device for e.g. student rooms with a sink in the corner, a remotely switched light, a razor point and a USB charger ... |
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On 01/06/2016 19:10, ARW wrote:
"polygonum" wrote in message ... On 30/05/2016 15:16, ARW wrote: "polygonum" wrote in message ... Is there in future likely to be a bathroom-safe USB socket next to the shaver and toothbrush socket? Fitted 12 last week. You got a link, Adam? These http://www.anselluk.com/products/APLEDDVRL/p1445 Personally I think they are ****. Don't ask - it's not the work I want to do - but it is possibly 5 years of getting paid very well for doing very little. I agree they look **** and, unless and until someone brings out shavers and toothbrushes that charge by USB (and I have one or the other), I wouldn't dream of having one. -- Rod |
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Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind wrote just the puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead after it got done like a ****ing dinner, as always. Is that you wodders? Your fly is undone.. -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere" |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 01/06/16 19:48, Jack James Brown wrote: Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind wrote just the puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead after it got done like a ****ing dinner, as always. Is that you wodders? Your fly is undone.. Jack James Brown LMFAO. What a tit. |
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On Wednesday, 1 June 2016 19:48:34 UTC+1, Jack James Brown wrote:
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind tabbypurr wrote just the puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead after it got done like a ****ing dinner, as always. you sound like a 5 year old. |
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wrote in message ... On Wednesday, 1 June 2016 19:48:34 UTC+1, Jack James Brown wrote: Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind tabbypurr wrote just the puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead after it got done like a ****ing dinner, as always. you sound like a 5 year old. Says the gutless ****wit that does what all little kids do, puts its fingers in its ears, closes its eyes and chants 'nyah nyah, can't hear ya' |
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On Thursday, 2 June 2016 10:18:39 UTC+1, Jack James Brown wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message ... On Wednesday, 1 June 2016 19:48:34 UTC+1, Jack James Brown wrote: Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind tabbypurr wrote just the puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead after it got done like a ****ing dinner, as always. you sound like a 5 year old. Says the gutless ****wit that does what all little kids do, puts its fingers in its ears, closes its eyes and chants 'nyah nyah, can't hear ya' you sound like a 5 year old. Again. If you reply it will only confirm this ever further. No-one here is interested in what you have to say. |
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Jack James Brown wrote: wrote in message ... On Wednesday, 1 June 2016 19:48:34 UTC+1, Jack James Brown wrote: Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind tabbypurr wrote just the puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead after it got done like a ****ing dinner, as always. you sound like a 5 year old. Says the gutless ****wit that does what all little kids do, puts its fingers in its ears, closes its eyes and chants 'nyah nyah, can't hear ya' You need to ask your therapist about little kids who make up new names for themselves all the time. Perhaps imaginary friends? -- *The statement above is false Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
tabbypurr wrote just the puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead after it got done like a ****ing dinner, as always. |
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On Thursday, 2 June 2016 19:27:35 UTC+1, Jack James Brown wrote:
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind tabbypurr wrote just the puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead after it got done like a ****ing dinner, as always. you sure are very persistent at demonstrating your crass immaturity. Keep going |
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Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
tabbypurr wrote just the puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead after it got done like a ****ing dinner, as always. |
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On Thursday, 2 June 2016 23:06:06 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind tabbypurr wrote just the puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead after it got done like a ****ing dinner, as always. lol |
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Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
tabbypurr wrote just the puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead after it got done like a ****ing dinner, as always. |
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