Ok, not exactly diy in the sense of repairing or building something, but
setting wifi up at home.

I am fairly IT techie, but this subject is a bit OTT for me. I know what
I want, but not sure about what is needed.

I have a samsung TV, connected to a Pioneer amplifier, and from that a
pair of speakers which the sound from both tv and cd player is output to.

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices, but not
sure if what I buy would do the job.

On 26/04/2016 17:07, BobH wrote:
Ok, not exactly diy in the sense of repairing or building something, but
setting wifi up at home.

I am fairly IT techie, but this subject is a bit OTT for me. I know what
I want, but not sure about what is needed.

I have a samsung TV, connected to a Pioneer amplifier, and from that a
pair of speakers which the sound from both tv and cd player is output to.

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices, but not
sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.


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John.

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

But again why wireless for the audio link? Any speaker worth its salt
is going to need a decent bit of power and there is the WiFi Rx etc
so that implies a cable. Unless you really want to get into changing
batteries.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 27/04/2016 07:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

But again why wireless for the audio link? Any speaker worth its salt
is going to need a decent bit of power and there is the WiFi Rx etc
so that implies a cable. Unless you really want to get into changing
batteries.


I don't mind if it is a mains electric powered speaker as long as it
plays the music.
I have tried one or two different supposebly wireless speakers, but when
I play the music, which is on the tv from my nas drive, the sound only
comes out of the wired attached speakers.

On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:07:59 +0000, BobH wrote:

Ok, not exactly diy in the sense of repairing or building something, but
setting wifi up at home.

I am fairly IT techie, but this subject is a bit OTT for me. I know what
I want, but not sure about what is needed.

I have a samsung TV, connected to a Pioneer amplifier, and from that a
pair of speakers which the sound from both tv and cd player is output
to.

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices, but not
sure if what I buy would do the job.

You need a wireless transmitter to plug into the audio out where you
normally plug wires.

Then either a matching wireless receiver or a wireless enabled speaker.

That is, nothing clever, just replacing a run of wire with a wireless
transmitter and receiver.

I assume at the moment you feed the output from both the TV and CD player
into the amp, and then have wires between the amp and the speaker.

So you seem to need some kind of wireless speaker extender between your
amp and the speakers.

Cheers


Dave R


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On 27/04/2016 08:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

Indeed - it does depend a bit on your source of music. If its coming off
a home server / nas / dlna box etc, then the speakers will may be able
to get it directly.

But again why wireless for the audio link? Any speaker worth its salt
is going to need a decent bit of power and there is the WiFi Rx etc
so that implies a cable. Unless you really want to get into changing
batteries.

And in these days of homeplug ethernet adaptors, one could argue that if
you have mains, you by default have (wired) network.

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John.

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On 27/04/2016 08:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

Sorry, forgot the link in my previous post:

http://www.sonos.com/en-gb/shop/connect

(that allows normal line level sources to feed into the wireless
distribution system)

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Cheers,

John.

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On 27/04/16 09:49, BobH wrote:
On 27/04/2016 07:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

But again why wireless for the audio link? Any speaker worth its salt
is going to need a decent bit of power and there is the WiFi Rx etc
so that implies a cable. Unless you really want to get into changing
batteries.


I don't mind if it is a mains electric powered speaker as long as it
plays the music.
I have tried one or two different supposebly wireless speakers, but when
I play the music, which is on the tv from my nas drive, the sound only
comes out of the wired attached speakers.

Well generally there is a setup in the telly that says 'don't send the
sound to the internal speakers, send it to the phono sockets on the back
instead.


--
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guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

On 27/04/16 10:40, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/04/2016 08:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

Indeed - it does depend a bit on your source of music. If its coming off
a home server / nas / dlna box etc, then the speakers will may be able
to get it directly.

And only out by 3-6 seconds


I am trying to work out who is the most ignorant - you or the OP.



--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

In message , BobH
writes
On 27/04/2016 07:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

But again why wireless for the audio link? Any speaker worth its salt
is going to need a decent bit of power and there is the WiFi Rx etc
so that implies a cable. Unless you really want to get into changing
batteries.


I don't mind if it is a mains electric powered speaker as long as it
plays the music.
I have tried one or two different supposebly wireless speakers, but
when I play the music, which is on the tv from my nas drive, the sound
only comes out of the wired attached speakers.

What sort of wireless speakers, most are Bluetooth, there are a some
that use wifi. But you TV is unlikely to have a wireless audio output
other than Bluetooth, even that doesn't seem that common.

Reading between the lines, I'm assuming this speaker is maybe in another
room? hence the requirement for not bluetooth as the range isn't very
good. and not wanting to use a cable?

There are wireless audio sender and receivers, plug one into the
amplifier and one into an active speaker (powered, with built in
amplifier) of some sort. There is no standard for this sort of thing,
they are proprietary. I'm not sure though of what range they have.


--
Chris French

Chromecast Audio, 30 quid from Wurrys or bit less on the `bay.

Need one per audio zone, zones can be grouped, uses your phone or tablet as remote use an app like Bubble to stream from your NAS.

Adam Aglionby wrote:

Chromecast Audio

I have one, I like it.

Need one per audio zone, zones can be grouped, uses
your phone or tablet as remote use an app like Bubble to stream from
your NAS.

Not going to send audio from a TV to anything though, is it?

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Well generally there is a setup in the telly that says 'don't send the
sound to the internal speakers, send it to the phono sockets on the back
instead.

You'll be very lucky to find a TV with phono sockets to feed an external
amp these days. And on all of those that were available, they were always
'live'. Only the set speakers could be killed. No earthly reason to do it
differently.

--
*A day without sunshine is like... night.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 12:38:56 PM UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam Aglionby wrote:

Chromecast Audio

I have one, I like it.

Need one per audio zone, zones can be grouped, uses
your phone or tablet as remote use an app like Bubble to stream from
your NAS.

Not going to send audio from a TV to anything though, is it?

Well the lack on any ADC on Chromecast is a pest and leaves Sonos a massive cost premium for the privilige but its an adequate solution if the TV is sourcing its input from a networked source as well.

Recentish LG has L/R audio available from phono on rear.

On 26/04/2016 17:07, BobH wrote:
Ok, not exactly diy in the sense of repairing or building something, but
setting wifi up at home.

I am fairly IT techie, but this subject is a bit OTT for me. I know what
I want, but not sure about what is needed.

I have a samsung TV, connected to a Pioneer amplifier, and from that a
pair of speakers which the sound from both tv and cd player is output to.

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices, but not
sure if what I buy would do the job.

I don't know why the bluetooth hate. With Apt-X it's decent quality
audio, and free from molesting the hell out of the 2.4GHz spectrum and
crapping all over your WiFi like lots of analogue senders do.

I use a transmitter in the headphone jack of my TV, but into any audio
out on the source side would work, headphones on amp, line out,
whatever. This transmitter is an Apt-X bluetooth sender.

On the receiving end, I use an Apt-X enabled bluetooth receiver, with
its output plugged into the powered speaker at the remote end (actually
in my case its another amp and speakers, but standalone powered speaker
would work also).

Works well, sounds good.

HarpingOn Wrote in message:
On 26/04/2016 17:07, BobH wrote:
Ok, not exactly diy in the sense of repairing or building something, but
setting wifi up at home.

I am fairly IT techie, but this subject is a bit OTT for me. I know what
I want, but not sure about what is needed.

I have a samsung TV, connected to a Pioneer amplifier, and from that a
pair of speakers which the sound from both tv and cd player is output to.

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices, but not
sure if what I buy would do the job.

I don't know why the bluetooth hate.

Maybe because the speaker will be too far from the TV? Bluetooth
only has a limited range.
--
Chris French

Andy Burns Wrote in message:
Adam Aglionby wrote:

Chromecast Audio

I have one, I like it.

Need one per audio zone, zones can be grouped, uses
your phone or tablet as remote use an app like Bubble to stream from
your NAS.

Not going to send audio from a TV to anything though, is it?



No, but if the OP has Smartphone/tabletthen he might be able to
use the Chromecast Audio instead (assuming they are either
playing radio or playing back local audio over the
network)
--
--
Chris French

In article ,
BobH wrote:
On 27/04/2016 15:45, Chris French wrote:
Andy Burns Wrote in message:
Adam Aglionby wrote:

Chromecast Audio

I have one, I like it.

Need one per audio zone, zones can be grouped, uses
your phone or tablet as remote use an app like Bubble to stream from
your NAS.

Not going to send audio from a TV to anything though, is it?



No, but if the OP has Smartphone/tablet
then he might be able to
use the Chromecast Audio instead (assuming they are either
playing radio or playing back local audio over the
network)


I do have a smartphone and an android tablet, but I don't want to have
to use them to play music, only from the tv box

Very glad I cabled the whole house for audio when I re-wired some 40 years
ago. I can pick up the output of the main sound system in every room in
the house. And all in sync too. No digital delays.

So not quite sure what is avaiable to do the same job without wires these
days.

--
*Lawyers believe a man is innocent until proven broke.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 27/04/2016 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/04/16 10:40, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/04/2016 08:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

Indeed - it does depend a bit on your source of music. If its coming off
a home server / nas / dlna box etc, then the speakers will may be able
to get it directly.

And only out by 3-6 seconds

I am trying to work out who is the most ignorant - you or the OP.

Compared to you, neither apparently.

If the OP already has the source material available on some form of
central storage, then many of the digital streaming / distribution
systems will be able to stream directly from it.


--
Cheers,

John.

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On 27/04/2016 18:14, BobH wrote:

I wish that were the case on my Samsung tv, but I'll have another look.
I tried that with a wireless speaker I had as in selecting the sound
output but the speaker wasn't listed.

What it is that you are actually trying to do?

Do you really need the TVs audio in a remote location, or is just a case
that you want to stream stuff elsewhere, and thought the TV might be a
good starting point since it can already do it?


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John.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:

On 27/04/2016 15:45, Chris French wrote:

Andy Wrote in message:

Adam Aglionby wrote:


Chromecast Audio

I have one, I like it.


Need one per audio zone, zones can be grouped, uses
your phone or tablet as remote use an app like Bubble to stream from
your NAS.

Not going to send audio from a TV to anything though, is it?



No, but if the OP has Smartphone/tablet
then he might be able to
use the Chromecast Audio instead (assuming they are either
playing radio or playing back local audio over the
network)



I do have a smartphone and an android tablet, but I don't want to have
to use them to play music, only from the tv box

Very glad I cabled the whole house for audio when I re-wired some 40 years
ago. I can pick up the output of the main sound system in every room in
the house. And all in sync too. No digital delays.

So not quite sure what is avaiable to do the same job without wires these
days.



Yes, I can do this to a limited extent. If I sacrificed a few cat5
outlets, I could do the whole house, workshop and garage. I suppose one
way of doing this might be to fit a UHF modulator using only the audio
channel and putting a channel receiver adjacent to the speakers. Haven't
thought this all through properly yet, but there wouldn't be any
significant delays in the coupling. It's difficult to beat wires.

In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Very glad I cabled the whole house for audio when I re-wired some 40
years ago. I can pick up the output of the main sound system in every
room in the house. And all in sync too. No digital delays.

So not quite sure what is avaiable to do the same job without wires
these days.



Yes, I can do this to a limited extent. If I sacrificed a few cat5
outlets, I could do the whole house, workshop and garage. I suppose one
way of doing this might be to fit a UHF modulator using only the audio
channel and putting a channel receiver adjacent to the speakers. Haven't
thought this all through properly yet, but there wouldn't be any
significant delays in the coupling. It's difficult to beat wires.

Knew that from my days in broadcast. Only use a wireless link if there is
no other way. But everyone must have wireless these days - even if it
doesn't work as well. Think doorbells. ;-)

My system is well before CAT5. 10 pair balanced. Ordinary unscreened
telephone cable.

--
*A chicken crossing the road is poultry in motion.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 27/04/2016 09:32, David wrote:
On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:07:59 +0000, BobH wrote:

Ok, not exactly diy in the sense of repairing or building something, but
setting wifi up at home.

I am fairly IT techie, but this subject is a bit OTT for me. I know what
I want, but not sure about what is needed.

I have a samsung TV, connected to a Pioneer amplifier, and from that a
pair of speakers which the sound from both tv and cd player is output
to.

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices, but not
sure if what I buy would do the job.

You need a wireless transmitter to plug into the audio out where you
normally plug wires.

Then either a matching wireless receiver or a wireless enabled speaker.

That is, nothing clever, just replacing a run of wire with a wireless
transmitter and receiver.

I assume at the moment you feed the output from both the TV and CD player
into the amp, and then have wires between the amp and the speaker.

So you seem to need some kind of wireless speaker extender between your
amp and the speakers.

Cheers


Dave R


Yes that is exactly the thing I need then.

On 27/04/2016 15:45, Chris French wrote:
Andy Burns Wrote in message:
Adam Aglionby wrote:

Chromecast Audio

I have one, I like it.

Need one per audio zone, zones can be grouped, uses
your phone or tablet as remote use an app like Bubble to stream from
your NAS.

Not going to send audio from a TV to anything though, is it?



No, but if the OP has Smartphone/tablet
then he might be able to
use the Chromecast Audio instead (assuming they are either
playing radio or playing back local audio over the
network)


I do have a smartphone and an android tablet, but I don't want to have
to use them to play music, only from the tv box

On 27/04/2016 15:41, Chris French wrote:
HarpingOn Wrote in message:
On 26/04/2016 17:07, BobH wrote:
Ok, not exactly diy in the sense of repairing or building something, but
setting wifi up at home.

I am fairly IT techie, but this subject is a bit OTT for me. I know what
I want, but not sure about what is needed.

I have a samsung TV, connected to a Pioneer amplifier, and from that a
pair of speakers which the sound from both tv and cd player is output to.

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices, but not
sure if what I buy would do the job.

I don't know why the bluetooth hate.

Maybe because the speaker will be too far from the TV? Bluetooth
only has a limited range.


Yes that is the reason I would not rather have a bluetooth speaker. I do
have a cheapish £30 one which does work as long as it can see the
bluetooth transmiter.

On 27/04/2016 09:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/04/16 09:49, BobH wrote:
On 27/04/2016 07:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

But again why wireless for the audio link? Any speaker worth its salt
is going to need a decent bit of power and there is the WiFi Rx etc
so that implies a cable. Unless you really want to get into changing
batteries.


I don't mind if it is a mains electric powered speaker as long as it
plays the music.
I have tried one or two different supposebly wireless speakers, but when
I play the music, which is on the tv from my nas drive, the sound only
comes out of the wired attached speakers.

Well generally there is a setup in the telly that says 'don't send the
sound to the internal speakers, send it to the phono sockets on the back
instead.



I wish that were the case on my Samsung tv, but I'll have another look.
I tried that with a wireless speaker I had as in selecting the sound
output but the speaker wasn't listed.

On 27/04/2016 10:07, Chris French wrote:
In message , BobH
writes
On 27/04/2016 07:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

But again why wireless for the audio link? Any speaker worth its salt
is going to need a decent bit of power and there is the WiFi Rx etc
so that implies a cable. Unless you really want to get into changing
batteries.


I don't mind if it is a mains electric powered speaker as long as it
plays the music.
I have tried one or two different supposebly wireless speakers, but
when I play the music, which is on the tv from my nas drive, the sound
only comes out of the wired attached speakers.

What sort of wireless speakers, most are Bluetooth, there are a some
that use wifi. But you TV is unlikely to have a wireless audio output
other than Bluetooth, even that doesn't seem that common.

Reading between the lines, I'm assuming this speaker is maybe in another
room? hence the requirement for not bluetooth as the range isn't very
good. and not wanting to use a cable?

There are wireless audio sender and receivers, plug one into the
amplifier and one into an active speaker (powered, with built in
amplifier) of some sort. There is no standard for this sort of thing,
they are proprietary. I'm not sure though of what range they have.



I tried a Azotom A2 or something which was wireless but wouldn't play
from the TV or TV box. Next was a Sony ALL3, again wireless but same result.

Yes I want a wireless speaker so that it can be in another room.
What wireless transmitter would you suggest for a samsung tv. I have
looked at transmitter for a samsung tv and they are not cheap.

On 27/04/2016 09:40, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/04/2016 08:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

Indeed - it does depend a bit on your source of music. If its coming off
a home server / nas / dlna box etc, then the speakers will may be able
to get it directly.

But again why wireless for the audio link? Any speaker worth its salt
is going to need a decent bit of power and there is the WiFi Rx etc
so that implies a cable. Unless you really want to get into changing
batteries.

And in these days of homeplug ethernet adaptors, one could argue that if
you have mains, you by default have (wired) network.

I have a pair of homeplug ethernet adapters which feed both my amplifier
and tv box,

The source of the music is on my nas server, and it is streamed down to
my tv box and also to my amplifier.

From reading some of the replies I have had it looks like I'll be
needing a usb wireless transmitter.
The reason I want a wireless speaker is so that it can be used in
another room where the wired speakers don't reach.

On 27/04/2016 09:43, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/04/2016 08:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

Sorry, forgot the link in my previous post:

http://www.sonos.com/en-gb/shop/connect

(that allows normal line level sources to feed into the wireless
distribution system)

A bit steep that!

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:07:15 +0000, BobH wrote:

On 27/04/2016 09:32, David wrote:
On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:07:59 +0000, BobH wrote:

Ok, not exactly diy in the sense of repairing or building something,
but setting wifi up at home.

I am fairly IT techie, but this subject is a bit OTT for me. I know
what I want, but not sure about what is needed.

I have a samsung TV, connected to a Pioneer amplifier, and from that a
pair of speakers which the sound from both tv and cd player is output
to.

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices, but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

You need a wireless transmitter to plug into the audio out where you
normally plug wires.

Then either a matching wireless receiver or a wireless enabled speaker.

That is, nothing clever, just replacing a run of wire with a wireless
transmitter and receiver.

I assume at the moment you feed the output from both the TV and CD
player into the amp, and then have wires between the amp and the
speaker.

So you seem to need some kind of wireless speaker extender between your
amp and the speakers.

Cheers


Dave R


Yes that is exactly the thing I need then.

Sadly forgot to mention that you would need an amplifier to drive the
remote speakers or active speakers.

Haven't yet worked out if you are trying to move your main speakers or add
another remote set.

JR seems to be on the money.

Cheers

Dave R



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On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 5:09:14 PM UTC+1, BobH wrote:
On 27/04/2016 15:45, Chris French wrote:
Andy Burns Wrote in message:
Adam Aglionby wrote:

Chromecast Audio

I have one, I like it.

Need one per audio zone, zones can be grouped, uses
your phone or tablet as remote use an app like Bubble to stream from
your NAS.

Not going to send audio from a TV to anything though, is it?



No, but if the OP has Smartphone/tablet
then he might be able to
use the Chromecast Audio instead (assuming they are either
playing radio or playing back local audio over the
network)


I do have a smartphone and an android tablet, but I don't want to have
to use them to play music, only from the tv box

Android device only acts as a remote to a Chromecast Audio, once the CA is set on the stream, can remove the Android device and the CA will carry on with the stream.

Some TV boxes and TVs might be able to act as source via DLNA using Bubble/Plex/Kodi inbetween.

On 27/04/2016 16:34, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/04/2016 18:14, BobH wrote:

I wish that were the case on my Samsung tv, but I'll have another look.
I tried that with a wireless speaker I had as in selecting the sound
output but the speaker wasn't listed.

What it is that you are actually trying to do?

Do you really need the TVs audio in a remote location, or is just a case
that you want to stream stuff elsewhere, and thought the TV might be a
good starting point since it can already do it?



I am wanting to stop the audio coming out of the wired speakers from my
amp, so that it will comer out to a wireless speaker. That's the bottom line

On 27/04/16 17:31, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/04/2016 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/04/16 10:40, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/04/2016 08:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at
the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

Indeed - it does depend a bit on your source of music. If its coming off
a home server / nas / dlna box etc, then the speakers will may be able
to get it directly.

And only out by 3-6 seconds

I am trying to work out who is the most ignorant - you or the OP.

Compared to you, neither apparently.

If the OP already has the source material available on some form of
central storage, then many of the digital streaming / distribution
systems will be able to stream directly from it.


With as I pointed out a completely diferrent arbitrary delay compared
top the picture.

I think you are SO stupid you haven't even cottoned on to the real
problem yet.


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guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

On 27/04/16 18:14, BobH wrote:
On 27/04/2016 09:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/04/16 09:49, BobH wrote:
On 27/04/2016 07:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at
the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

But again why wireless for the audio link? Any speaker worth its salt
is going to need a decent bit of power and there is the WiFi Rx etc
so that implies a cable. Unless you really want to get into changing
batteries.


I don't mind if it is a mains electric powered speaker as long as it
plays the music.
I have tried one or two different supposebly wireless speakers, but when
I play the music, which is on the tv from my nas drive, the sound only
comes out of the wired attached speakers.

Well generally there is a setup in the telly that says 'don't send the
sound to the internal speakers, send it to the phono sockets on the back
instead.



I wish that were the case on my Samsung tv, but I'll have another look.

certainly is on mine


I tried that with a wireless speaker I had as in selecting the sound
output but the speaker wasn't listed.


--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
BobH wrote:
On 27/04/2016 15:45, Chris French wrote:
Andy Burns Wrote in message:
Adam Aglionby wrote:

Chromecast Audio

I have one, I like it.

Need one per audio zone, zones can be grouped, uses
your phone or tablet as remote use an app like Bubble to stream from
your NAS.

Not going to send audio from a TV to anything though, is it?



No, but if the OP has Smartphone/tablet
then he might be able to
use the Chromecast Audio instead (assuming they are either
playing radio or playing back local audio over the
network)


I do have a smartphone and an android tablet, but I don't want to have
to use them to play music, only from the tv box

Very glad I cabled the whole house for audio when I re-wired some 40 years
ago. I can pick up the output of the main sound system in every room in
the house. And all in sync too. No digital delays.

So not quite sure what is avaiable to do the same job without wires these
days.

Basically the same thing done wirelessly either with bluetooth or
wifi if you need to cover an area that is too large for bluetooth.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 7:38:56 PM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

If the OP already has the source material available on some form of
central storage, then many of the digital streaming / distribution
systems will be able to stream directly from it.


With as I pointed out a completely diferrent arbitrary delay compared
top the picture.

Thats what Sonos got all the money for, being expensive but less ludicrously priced than other multi room systems.

Syncing in multiple rooms , what the CA can now do cheaply but only from a digitised source.



I think you are SO stupid you haven't even cottoned on to the real
problem yet.



Not entirely sure you have...

--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

On 27/04/16 20:03, Adam Aglionby wrote:
On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 7:38:56 PM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

If the OP already has the source material available on some form of
central storage, then many of the digital streaming / distribution
systems will be able to stream directly from it.


With as I pointed out a completely diferrent arbitrary delay compared
top the picture.

Thats what Sonos got all the money for, being expensive but less ludicrously priced than other multi room systems.

Syncing in multiple rooms , what the CA can now do cheaply but only from a digitised source.



I think you are SO stupid you haven't even cottoned on to the real
problem yet.



Not entirely sure you have...


If the signals is in a room which doesn't have a picture, you dont need
to synch anyway.

If the sound is from off air TV, its not 'on the network already' anyway.

It its in the room with the TV, whether the source is a server or off
air it MUST pass through the TV decoder to get picture/sound synch.



--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin


--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 27/04/2016 18:44, BobH wrote:
On 27/04/2016 09:43, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/04/2016 08:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

Sorry, forgot the link in my previous post:

http://www.sonos.com/en-gb/shop/connect

(that allows normal line level sources to feed into the wireless
distribution system)

A bit steep that!

You think that's bad, you should see some of the Meridian Sooloos kit ;-)

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 27/04/2016 18:38, BobH wrote:
On 27/04/2016 10:07, Chris French wrote:
In message , BobH
writes
On 27/04/2016 07:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at
the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

But again why wireless for the audio link? Any speaker worth its salt
is going to need a decent bit of power and there is the WiFi Rx etc
so that implies a cable. Unless you really want to get into changing
batteries.


I don't mind if it is a mains electric powered speaker as long as it
plays the music.
I have tried one or two different supposebly wireless speakers, but
when I play the music, which is on the tv from my nas drive, the sound
only comes out of the wired attached speakers.

What sort of wireless speakers, most are Bluetooth, there are a some
that use wifi. But you TV is unlikely to have a wireless audio output
other than Bluetooth, even that doesn't seem that common.

Reading between the lines, I'm assuming this speaker is maybe in another
room? hence the requirement for not bluetooth as the range isn't very
good. and not wanting to use a cable?

There are wireless audio sender and receivers, plug one into the
amplifier and one into an active speaker (powered, with built in
amplifier) of some sort. There is no standard for this sort of thing,
they are proprietary. I'm not sure though of what range they have.



I tried a Azotom A2 or something which was wireless but wouldn't play
from the TV or TV box. Next was a Sony ALL3, again wireless but same
result.

Yes I want a wireless speaker so that it can be in another room.
What wireless transmitter would you suggest for a samsung tv. I have
looked at transmitter for a samsung tv and they are not cheap.

What I am perhaps missing is why you want a wireless speaker for the TV
- since presumably if you are listening in another room, you won't be
able to see the TV anyway?


--
Cheers,

John.

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On 27/04/2016 19:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/04/16 17:31, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/04/2016 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/04/16 10:40, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/04/2016 08:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:17:55 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

I would like a wireless speaker , not bluetooth, to play music
from
either tv or amplifier.
I've looked at wifi dongles for my tv and other similar devices,
but
not sure if what I buy would do the job.

There are quite a few WiFi enabled speakers about... have a look at
the
Sonos range for example.

Yes but I'm not sure they will work for this application. I think the
problem will be that TV (presumably that has the USB port for the
dongle) won't have any means of streaming live audio out over the
WiFi or serving files. TV's tend to be "clients" not "servers".

Indeed - it does depend a bit on your source of music. If its coming
off
a home server / nas / dlna box etc, then the speakers will may be able
to get it directly.

And only out by 3-6 seconds

I am trying to work out who is the most ignorant - you or the OP.

Compared to you, neither apparently.

If the OP already has the source material available on some form of
central storage, then many of the digital streaming / distribution
systems will be able to stream directly from it.


With as I pointed out a completely diferrent arbitrary delay compared
top the picture.

A picture on a TV in another room where you can't see it?

Yup I can see that will be a *real* problem...

I think you are SO stupid you haven't even cottoned on to the real
problem yet.

Are you depriving a village of an idiot somewhere?


--
Cheers,

John.

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