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I bought two 8mm ones last week and started to use them yesterday with
my dowelling jig They were, of course, cheap. But totally useless. One was slightly "warped", i.e. it didn't rotate true. And neither one was any good at actually penetrating soft pine. I had to switch to using a standard twist drill that has been used several times, so wasn't new. Also, the wood wasn't knotted. Has anyone else had a bad experience with drills from Wilko? I'm currently thinking of ordering a De Walt product in the hope that this will be better. MM |
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On Monday, October 20, 2014 10:18:07 AM UTC+1, MM wrote:
I bought two 8mm ones last week and started to use them yesterday with my dowelling jig They were, of course, cheap. But totally useless. One was slightly "warped", i.e. it didn't rotate true. And neither one was any good at actually penetrating soft pine. I had to switch to using a standard twist drill that has been used several times, so wasn't new. Also, the wood wasn't knotted. Has anyone else had a bad experience with drills from Wilko? I'm currently thinking of ordering a De Walt product in the hope that this will be better. MM The 99p stores ones are unreassuringly cheap but work. NT |
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"MM" wrote in message ... I bought two 8mm ones last week and started to use them yesterday with my dowelling jig They were, of course, cheap. But totally useless. One was slightly "warped", i.e. it didn't rotate true. And neither one was any good at actually penetrating soft pine. I had to switch to using a standard twist drill that has been used several times, so wasn't new. Also, the wood wasn't knotted. Has anyone else had a bad experience with drills from Wilko? I'm currently thinking of ordering a De Walt product in the hope that this will be better. MM One of the biggest "advantages" of electronic drills is that unlike in the old days its now possible to run them in reverse without actually noticing. Until the burning smell anyway. Same with modern one handed chucks as opposed to old fashioned keyed chucks. It seems much easier for stuff not to seat properly. Nowadays De Walt are just badge engineered Chinese made products for a lot of lines. Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with Chinese stuff except that maybe it may not merit a premium price based simply on the name. +1 for the Poundshop 99p store recommendation but buy now while the pound is strong. michael adams .... |
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MM wrote: I bought two 8mm ones last week and started to use them yesterday with my dowelling jig They were, of course, cheap. But totally useless. One was slightly "warped", i.e. it didn't rotate true. And neither one was any good at actually penetrating soft pine. I had to switch to using a standard twist drill that has been used several times, so wasn't new. Also, the wood wasn't knotted. Has anyone else had a bad experience with drills from Wilko? I'm currently thinking of ordering a De Walt product in the hope that this will be better. Strangely I've seen this too with these type of drills - the set I have is branded Black and Decker. One of them is bent. And none what I'd call sharp. I've never had a bent HSS drill, so I'd guess it's down to how they're made? Softer steel which can bend - whereas HSS just break? -- *Elephants are the only mammals that can't jump * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:08:47 +0100, "michael adams"
wrote: Nowadays De Walt are just badge engineered Chinese made products for a lot of lines. That's my fear should I decide to order the De Walt bits. The Wilko drills are manufactured in China. Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with Chinese stuff except that maybe it may not merit a premium price based simply on the name. I don't care where the stuff originates provided it does the job. I've bought a number of tools from Wilko over the years, all of which have been satisfactory. +1 for the Poundshop 99p store recommendation but buy now while the pound is strong. I doubt Poundshop would sell *brad point* 8mm drills. Twist drills, possibly. MM |
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:18:53 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , MM wrote: I bought two 8mm ones last week and started to use them yesterday with my dowelling jig They were, of course, cheap. But totally useless. One was slightly "warped", i.e. it didn't rotate true. And neither one was any good at actually penetrating soft pine. I had to switch to using a standard twist drill that has been used several times, so wasn't new. Also, the wood wasn't knotted. Has anyone else had a bad experience with drills from Wilko? I'm currently thinking of ordering a De Walt product in the hope that this will be better. Strangely I've seen this too with these type of drills - the set I have is branded Black and Decker. One of them is bent. And none what I'd call sharp. I've never had a bent HSS drill, so I'd guess it's down to how they're made? Softer steel which can bend - whereas HSS just break? Obviously inferior quality steel and/or manufacturing process. The stores don't give a damn as long as they can sell 'em to some mugs (i.e. me in this case). Time to speak to a few carpenters, cabinet makers I reckon. See what they recommend. Of course, there's always flat bits intead... hmm. MM |
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"MM" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:08:47 +0100, "michael adams" wrote: Nowadays De Walt are just badge engineered Chinese made products for a lot of lines. That's my fear should I decide to order the De Walt bits. The Wilko drills are manufactured in China. Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with Chinese stuff except that maybe it may not merit a premium price based simply on the name. I don't care where the stuff originates provided it does the job. I've bought a number of tools from Wilko over the years, all of which have been satisfactory. +1 for the Poundshop 99p store recommendation but buy now while the pound is strong. I doubt Poundshop would sell *brad point* 8mm drills. Twist drills, possibly. Well your doubts are misplaced. Brad points are otherwise known as "wood drills" - a point in the middle and two outside spurs. I've bought sets branded Holtz TIGER 4,5,6,8,10 in a poundshop. Can't remember which one. As I said, buy while the pound is strong as they don't always have them in stock. What I've noticed in the past is that as the pound fluctuates so do the poundshop offerings by way of drill sets. ISTR at one point it was down to four in a set. And then only for cheap twist drills made of cheese rather than HSS. michael adams .... MM |
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On Monday, October 20, 2014 2:42:50 PM UTC+1, MM wrote:
Those were the ones I bought. They didn't work. Useless. I thought you got wilko. I doubt Poundshop would sell *brad point* 8mm drills. Twist drills, possibly. They have sets of brad point aka dowel bits, twist and masonry. For 99p you get about 8 of them. Do inspect the points as I've seen junk ones sometimes. Time to speak to a few carpenters, cabinet makers I reckon. See what they recommend. Cheapo bits are mostly fine, but not always. I dont mind, I regrind any dud. Of course, there's always flat bits intead... hmm. The worst performers of all. For the best performance in wood I use steep angle twist drills. They make dowel bits look crap. NT |
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MM wrote: Strangely I've seen this too with these type of drills - the set I have is branded Black and Decker. One of them is bent. And none what I'd call sharp. I've never had a bent HSS drill, so I'd guess it's down to how they're made? Softer steel which can bend - whereas HSS just break? Obviously inferior quality steel and/or manufacturing process. The stores don't give a damn as long as they can sell 'em to some mugs (i.e. me in this case). Time to speak to a few carpenters, cabinet makers I reckon. See what they recommend. Of course, there's always flat bits intead... hmm. Think the idea of these dedicated wood bit with the strange point is they give a cleaner hole in wood - and are less likely to wander. They also have a different spiral to clear the waste more efficiently? Flat bits are very quick in an electric drill - but can make quite a mess as they exit. I must admit to simply using HSS in wood these days. Lifting out every now and gain to clear the waste. Or augurs where I must have a decent hole, in the larger sizes. -- *Re-elect nobody Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:48:38 +0100, MM wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:18:53 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , MM wrote: I bought two 8mm ones last week and started to use them yesterday with my dowelling jig They were, of course, cheap. But totally useless. One was slightly "warped", i.e. it didn't rotate true. And neither one was any good at actually penetrating soft pine. I had to switch to using a standard twist drill that has been used several times, so wasn't new. Also, the wood wasn't knotted. Has anyone else had a bad experience with drills from Wilko? I'm currently thinking of ordering a De Walt product in the hope that this will be better. Strangely I've seen this too with these type of drills - the set I have is branded Black and Decker. One of them is bent. And none what I'd call sharp. I've never had a bent HSS drill, so I'd guess it's down to how they're made? Softer steel which can bend - whereas HSS just break? Obviously inferior quality steel and/or manufacturing process. The stores don't give a damn as long as they can sell 'em to some mugs (i.e. me in this case). Time to speak to a few carpenters, cabinet makers I reckon. See what they recommend. Of course, there's always flat bits intead... hmm. MM I've a set of Aldidl ones that have done well for 2 or 3 years. One unexpected use was starting into woodchip, as a brad drill avoids the 'bounce' of the lumps, so they've done some plaster as well. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Flat bits are very quick in an electric drill - but can make quite a mess as they exit. Damn dangerous if they snag. Bill |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Think the idea of these dedicated wood bit with the strange point is they give a cleaner hole in wood - and are less likely to wander. They also have a different spiral to clear the waste more efficiently? Flat bits are very quick in an electric drill The Armeg wood-beavers are /very/ fast ... |
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On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 7:28:08 AM UTC+1, MM wrote:
I'm confused now. I did buy WIlko brand from Wilko. What were the "store" ones (99p) you were referring to? From a chain of shops called 99p stores NT |
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writes On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 07:36:19 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Monday, October 20, 2014 2:42:50 PM UTC+1, MM wrote: Those were the ones I bought. They didn't work. Useless. I thought you got wilko. I'm confused now. I did buy WIlko brand from Wilko. What were the "store" ones (99p) you were referring to? I assume NT was referring the '99p Stores' chain of shops. http://www.99pstoresltd.com/ Probably not something you'd be aware of if there wasn't one of their branches in the places you tend to shop. -- Chris French |
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Chris French wrote:
http://www.99pstoresltd.com/ Probably not something you'd be aware of if there wasn't one of their branches in the places you tend to shop. They don't seem to have much of a presence "here", only one in the three counties I was born, live and work in. |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:55:15 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Think the idea of these dedicated wood bit with the strange point is they give a cleaner hole in wood - and are less likely to wander. They also have a different spiral to clear the waste more efficiently? Flat bits are very quick in an electric drill The Armeg wood-beavers are /very/ fast ... I just looked up Armeg on the web. Are their products only available directly from them or from factor like Screwfix? (I don't dare ask the price of the 8 mm brad point drill! They look expensive.) MM |
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MM wrote:
I just looked up Armeg on the web. Are their products only available directly from them or from factor like Screwfix? SF do them, but I think 10mm may be the smallest size http://screwfix.com/p/belvoir/37342 (I don't dare ask the price of the 8 mm brad point drill! They look expensive.) Not cheap, they do a two flute 8mm P/N WBP0080 http://www.accura.ie/woodworking-tools.html |
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Well, not specifically from them, but might be worth going back and asking
the e question if they have been conned by a counterfeiter. I don't think they would be happy supplying this sort of crap. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "MM" wrote in message ... I bought two 8mm ones last week and started to use them yesterday with my dowelling jig They were, of course, cheap. But totally useless. One was slightly "warped", i.e. it didn't rotate true. And neither one was any good at actually penetrating soft pine. I had to switch to using a standard twist drill that has been used several times, so wasn't new. Also, the wood wasn't knotted. Has anyone else had a bad experience with drills from Wilko? I'm currently thinking of ordering a De Walt product in the hope that this will be better. MM |
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Bill Wright wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Flat bits are very quick in an electric drill - but can make quite a mess as they exit. Damn dangerous if they snag. Best to use a drill where you can set the maximum torque. But dunno if this feature has appeared on the average mains drill. -- *How much deeper would the oceans be without sponges? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 00:26:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 7:28:08 AM UTC+1, MM wrote: I'm confused now. I did buy WIlko brand from Wilko. What were the "store" ones (99p) you were referring to? From a chain of shops called 99p stores Ah, we don't have them in Lincolnshire. Closest is Cambridgeshire or Nottinghamshire. MM |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:32:17 +0100, Chris French
wrote: In message , MM writes On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 07:36:19 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Monday, October 20, 2014 2:42:50 PM UTC+1, MM wrote: Those were the ones I bought. They didn't work. Useless. I thought you got wilko. I'm confused now. I did buy WIlko brand from Wilko. What were the "store" ones (99p) you were referring to? I assume NT was referring the '99p Stores' chain of shops. http://www.99pstoresltd.com/ Probably not something you'd be aware of if there wasn't one of their branches in the places you tend to shop. That's right. Never heard of them. There are so many of these "Pound" type stores nowadays. I usually avoid them, though, since the quality generally is absolute rubbish. MM |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:09:02 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote: MM wrote: I just looked up Armeg on the web. Are their products only available directly from them or from factor like Screwfix? SF do them, but I think 10mm may be the smallest size Yep, SF are useless for 8mm brad point. http://screwfix.com/p/belvoir/37342 (I don't dare ask the price of the 8 mm brad point drill! They look expensive.) Not cheap, they do a two flute 8mm P/N WBP0080 http://www.accura.ie/woodworking-tools.html No prices shown. Must mean they're ~very~ expensive! Anyway, I've completed my table now, using ordinary twist drills and 8mm and 6mm dowels. Thanks for all the replies. MM |
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