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Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job.
Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into the house. To be supplied and fitted: a very basic kitchen, comprising sink, 2 units and 3 metre worktop, outlet for washing machine. Upstairs, there is no bathroom, so a bedroom is being divided up with a stud wall, a shower, bog and sink being fitted. No holes in walls, so sewer pipe has to go through walls etc. and water supply taken up through floor. Rewire. Currently just 4 sockets in the house. Dead easy job, 3 rooms upstairs, 2 down, nothing fancy included, just supplies for 2 storage heaters, shower, and instant water heater in kitchen and bathroom, and 8 or so socket outlets. We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? -- To reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'. |
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Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into the house. To be supplied and fitted: a very basic kitchen, comprising sink, 2 units and 3 metre worktop, outlet for washing machine. Upstairs, there is no bathroom, so a bedroom is being divided up with a stud wall, a shower, bog and sink being fitted. No holes in walls, so sewer pipe has to go through walls etc. and water supply taken up through floor. Rewire. Currently just 4 sockets in the house. Dead easy job, 3 rooms upstairs, 2 down, nothing fancy included, just supplies for 2 storage heaters, shower, and instant water heater in kitchen and bathroom, and 8 or so socket outlets. We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Yes. Tell them to **** off. -- Adam |
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On 24/02/2013 13:36, A.Lee wrote:
Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into the house. To be supplied and fitted: a very basic kitchen, comprising sink, 2 units and 3 metre worktop, outlet for washing machine. Upstairs, there is no bathroom, so a bedroom is being divided up with a stud wall, a shower, bog and sink being fitted. No holes in walls, so sewer pipe has to go through walls etc. and water supply taken up through floor. Rewire. Currently just 4 sockets in the house. Dead easy job, 3 rooms upstairs, 2 down, nothing fancy included, just supplies for 2 storage heaters, shower, and instant water heater in kitchen and bathroom, and 8 or so socket outlets. We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Tell them that is your best price, and the quote is good for 30 days, and then walk away... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 24/02/2013 13:44, John Rumm wrote:
On 24/02/2013 13:36, A.Lee wrote: Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into the house. To be supplied and fitted: a very basic kitchen, comprising sink, 2 units and 3 metre worktop, outlet for washing machine. Upstairs, there is no bathroom, so a bedroom is being divided up with a stud wall, a shower, bog and sink being fitted. No holes in walls, so sewer pipe has to go through walls etc. and water supply taken up through floor. Rewire. Currently just 4 sockets in the house. Dead easy job, 3 rooms upstairs, 2 down, nothing fancy included, just supplies for 2 storage heaters, shower, and instant water heater in kitchen and bathroom, and 8 or so socket outlets. We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Tell them that is your best price, and the quote is good for 30 days, and then walk away... They will be working on the basis that no matter what the price you can always take a bit more off...Dont budge, thats a very good price. Give them the 30 days good, I doubt if they will better that. |
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On 24/02/2013 14:04, ss wrote:
On 24/02/2013 13:44, John Rumm wrote: On 24/02/2013 13:36, A.Lee wrote: Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into the house. To be supplied and fitted: a very basic kitchen, comprising sink, 2 units and 3 metre worktop, outlet for washing machine. Upstairs, there is no bathroom, so a bedroom is being divided up with a stud wall, a shower, bog and sink being fitted. No holes in walls, so sewer pipe has to go through walls etc. and water supply taken up through floor. Rewire. Currently just 4 sockets in the house. Dead easy job, 3 rooms upstairs, 2 down, nothing fancy included, just supplies for 2 storage heaters, shower, and instant water heater in kitchen and bathroom, and 8 or so socket outlets. We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Tell them that is your best price, and the quote is good for 30 days, and then walk away... They will be working on the basis that no matter what the price you can always take a bit more off...Dont budge, thats a very good price. Give them the 30 days good, I doubt if they will better that. Indeed, and if someone is prepared to do it for less, then let them - sounds like they probably deserve each other! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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A.Lee wrote:
Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Honestly, that's far too cheap. If I were you I'd pray they don't change their minds. Your contingency allowance is obviously £0. Just a few snags and you'll be working for nowt. Bill |
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In article , John
Rumm scribeth thus On 24/02/2013 13:36, A.Lee wrote: Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into the house. To be supplied and fitted: a very basic kitchen, comprising sink, 2 units and 3 metre worktop, outlet for washing machine. Upstairs, there is no bathroom, so a bedroom is being divided up with a stud wall, a shower, bog and sink being fitted. No holes in walls, so sewer pipe has to go through walls etc. and water supply taken up through floor. Rewire. Currently just 4 sockets in the house. Dead easy job, 3 rooms upstairs, 2 down, nothing fancy included, just supplies for 2 storage heaters, shower, and instant water heater in kitchen and bathroom, and 8 or so socket outlets. We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Tell them that is your best price, and the quote is good for 30 days, and then walk away... Someone we know has just had their drive which was gravel redone into paving blocks. Around 40 M2 in all. Cost just over 4K and it was 4 days work inc material and plant hire and skip 2 blokes doing the job. Does anyone think that was a rip off or a bargain?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On 24/02/2013 14:09, John Rumm wrote:
On 24/02/2013 14:04, ss wrote: On 24/02/2013 13:44, John Rumm wrote: On 24/02/2013 13:36, A.Lee wrote: Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into the house. To be supplied and fitted: a very basic kitchen, comprising sink, 2 units and 3 metre worktop, outlet for washing machine. Upstairs, there is no bathroom, so a bedroom is being divided up with a stud wall, a shower, bog and sink being fitted. No holes in walls, so sewer pipe has to go through walls etc. and water supply taken up through floor. Rewire. Currently just 4 sockets in the house. Dead easy job, 3 rooms upstairs, 2 down, nothing fancy included, just supplies for 2 storage heaters, shower, and instant water heater in kitchen and bathroom, and 8 or so socket outlets. We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Tell them that is your best price, and the quote is good for 30 days, and then walk away... They will be working on the basis that no matter what the price you can always take a bit more off...Dont budge, thats a very good price. Give them the 30 days good, I doubt if they will better that. Indeed, and if someone is prepared to do it for less, then let them - sounds like they probably deserve each other! Absolutely. Hell, are you anywhere near Gloucestershire? :-) |
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writes Someone we know has just had their drive which was gravel redone into paving blocks. Around 40 M2 in all. Cost just over 4K and it was 4 days work inc material and plant hire and skip 2 blokes doing the job. Does anyone think that was a rip off or a bargain?.. If it is still good in 5 years time then I would err on the side of bargain. -- Bill |
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On 24/02/2013 15:02, Bill wrote:
In message , tony sayer writes Someone we know has just had their drive which was gravel redone into paving blocks. Around 40 M2 in all. Cost just over 4K and it was 4 days work inc material and plant hire and skip 2 blokes doing the job. Does anyone think that was a rip off or a bargain?.. If it is still good in 5 years time then I would err on the side of bargain. +1. It's a job which is hugely dependent on how well it's been done - you could have two brand-new identical-looking drives side by side, each looking fab; but a few years (months?) down the line, the one which has 9" too little hardcore underneath and wasn't compacted etc will be totally ****e. -- David |
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On 24/02/2013 13:36, A.Lee wrote:
Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into the house. To be supplied and fitted: a very basic kitchen, comprising sink, 2 units and 3 metre worktop, outlet for washing machine. Upstairs, there is no bathroom, so a bedroom is being divided up with a stud wall, a shower, bog and sink being fitted. No holes in walls, so sewer pipe has to go through walls etc. and water supply taken up through floor. Rewire. Currently just 4 sockets in the house. Dead easy job, 3 rooms upstairs, 2 down, nothing fancy included, just supplies for 2 storage heaters, shower, and instant water heater in kitchen and bathroom, and 8 or so socket outlets. We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? It is cheap. Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On 24/02/2013 14:28, Bill Wright wrote:
A.Lee wrote: Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Honestly, that's far too cheap. If I were you I'd pray they don't change their minds. Your contingency allowance is obviously £0. Just a few snags and you'll be working for nowt. Quite. I've been 'lucky' enough to get some work done for far less than I think I should have paid because they were simply priced too low. Gives me no pleasure. Rob |
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In article , Lobster davidlobsterpot601
@hotmail.com scribeth thus On 24/02/2013 15:02, Bill wrote: In message , tony sayer writes Someone we know has just had their drive which was gravel redone into paving blocks. Around 40 M2 in all. Cost just over 4K and it was 4 days work inc material and plant hire and skip 2 blokes doing the job. Does anyone think that was a rip off or a bargain?.. If it is still good in 5 years time then I would err on the side of bargain. +1. It's a job which is hugely dependent on how well it's been done - you could have two brand-new identical-looking drives side by side, each looking fab; but a few years (months?) down the line, the one which has 9" too little hardcore underneath and wasn't compacted etc will be totally ****e. Well it was on a rough concrete base that was in existence before they did that, seemed as if they did it how they should have done... -- Tony Sayer |
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On Feb 24, 2:53*pm, tony sayer wrote:
In article , John Rumm scribeth thus On 24/02/2013 13:36, A.Lee wrote: Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into the house. To be supplied and fitted: a very basic kitchen, comprising sink, 2 units and 3 metre worktop, outlet for washing machine. Upstairs, there is no bathroom, so a bedroom is being divided up with a stud wall, a shower, bog and sink being fitted. No holes in walls, so sewer pipe has to go through walls etc. and water supply taken up through floor. Rewire. Currently just 4 sockets in the house. Dead easy job, 3 rooms upstairs, 2 down, nothing fancy included, just supplies for 2 storage heaters, shower, and instant water heater in kitchen and bathroom, and 8 or so socket outlets. We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - 3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on 150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Tell them that is your best price, and the quote is good for 30 days, and then walk away... Someone we know has just had their drive which was gravel redone into paving blocks. Around 40 M2 in all. Cost just over 4K and it was 4 days work inc material and plant hire and skip *2 blokes doing the job. Does anyone think that was a rip off or a bargain?.. Did the contractor's van have a proper traceable company name and phone number or just a mobile? Did they visit all the neighbours to say "while we're in the area..."? MBQ |
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On 25/02/2013 08:22, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Lobster davidlobsterpot601 @hotmail.com scribeth thus On 24/02/2013 15:02, Bill wrote: In message , tony sayer writes Someone we know has just had their drive which was gravel redone into paving blocks. Around 40 M2 in all. Cost just over 4K and it was 4 days work inc material and plant hire and skip 2 blokes doing the job. Does anyone think that was a rip off or a bargain?.. If it is still good in 5 years time then I would err on the side of bargain. +1. It's a job which is hugely dependent on how well it's been done - you could have two brand-new identical-looking drives side by side, each looking fab; but a few years (months?) down the line, the one which has 9" too little hardcore underneath and wasn't compacted etc will be totally ****e. Well it was on a rough concrete base that was in existence before they did that, seemed as if they did it how they should have done... If so that's probably the reason for the good price then; when we had our drive block-paved some years ago, the guys who did it took out what seemed to be a huge amount of earth and replaced it with hardcore - I guess there's a good chunk of the cost in that, which will have been avoided if there was already a solid foundation. -- David |
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"A.Lee" wrote in message ...
Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Yes, come do some work for me. Mike |
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Tell them that is your best price, and the quote is good for 30 days, and then walk away... Someone we know has just had their drive which was gravel redone into paving blocks. Around 40 M2 in all. Cost just over 4K and it was 4 days work inc material and plant hire and skip *2 blokes doing the job. Does anyone think that was a rip off or a bargain?.. Did the contractor's van have a proper traceable company name and phone number or just a mobile? Neither... Did they visit all the neighbours to say "while we're in the area..."? No... But the did proffer me a card whilst talking to them... MBQ -- Tony Sayer |
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On 24/02/2013 14:53, tony sayer wrote:
Someone we know has just had their drive which was gravel redone into paving blocks. Around 40 M2 in all. Cost just over 4K and it was 4 days work inc material and plant hire and skip 2 blokes doing the job. Does anyone think that was a rip off or a bargain?.. Last year I did about 2.5 m2 by myself in about 6 hours so it appears to take them a long time. How much did they dig out and hardcore? How much drainage needed (it takes me quite a while if I have to do any)? |
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On 24/02/2013 14:28, Bill Wright wrote:
A.Lee wrote: Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Honestly, that's far too cheap. If I were you I'd pray they don't change their minds. Your contingency allowance is obviously £0. Just a few snags and you'll be working for nowt. Not forgetting the buggeration factor of at least 20% to allow for all the messing about that will be required as the client changes their mind......... -- Regards Peter Crosland |
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Muddymike wrote:
"A.Lee" wrote in message ... Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Yes, come do some work for me. And I will say that you would get a good job done. -- Adam |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:36:20 +0000, A.Lee wrote:
Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into the house. To be supplied and fitted: a very basic kitchen, comprising sink, 2 units and 3 metre worktop, outlet for washing machine. Upstairs, there is no bathroom, so a bedroom is being divided up with a stud wall, a shower, bog and sink being fitted. No holes in walls, so sewer pipe has to go through walls etc. and water supply taken up through floor. Rewire. Currently just 4 sockets in the house. Dead easy job, 3 rooms upstairs, 2 down, nothing fancy included, just supplies for 2 storage heaters, shower, and instant water heater in kitchen and bathroom, and 8 or so socket outlets. We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Next time add 10% on to your price. Then when they ask for a reduction take it off again. That way both sides get the result they want :-) |
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dennis@home scribeth thus On 24/02/2013 14:53, tony sayer wrote: Someone we know has just had their drive which was gravel redone into paving blocks. Around 40 M2 in all. Cost just over 4K and it was 4 days work inc material and plant hire and skip 2 blokes doing the job. Does anyone think that was a rip off or a bargain?.. Last year I did about 2.5 m2 by myself in about 6 hours so it appears to take them a long time. How much did they dig out and hardcore? How much drainage needed (it takes me quite a while if I have to do any)? They scraped off the gravel with a mini digger there was a sort of concrete subbase already there. They did put in a surface drain. It took them 4 days from start to finish.. -- Tony Sayer |
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A.Lee wrote: Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. .... Yes. Tell them to **** off. I spoke to him today. He said he cannot afford that amount, but if he was to buy the materilas, would we fit it. Of course we would, but the total cost would be more as we'll know where to get it the cheapest. So, he reckons he can get it all cheaper than us, and that there is no need for a new consumer unit too, he doesnt mind if we just supply the shower and water heaters off the 3 way Wylex fuse box, which is a TT supply, with no earth rod or water bonding. Clearly he hasnt a clue, so we'll be giving it a miss. -- To reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'. |
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On 24/02/2013 14:09, John Rumm wrote: On 24/02/2013 14:04, ss wrote: On 24/02/2013 13:44, John Rumm wrote: On 24/02/2013 13:36, A.Lee wrote: Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. Currently it is a bare shell, a single pipe of cold water coming into the house. To be supplied and fitted: a very basic kitchen, comprising sink, 2 units and 3 metre worktop, outlet for washing machine. Upstairs, there is no bathroom, so a bedroom is being divided up with a stud wall, a shower, bog and sink being fitted. No holes in walls, so sewer pipe has to go through walls etc. and water supply taken up through floor. Rewire. Currently just 4 sockets in the house. Dead easy job, 3 rooms upstairs, 2 down, nothing fancy included, just supplies for 2 storage heaters, shower, and instant water heater in kitchen and bathroom, and 8 or so socket outlets. We've worked it out, and can do it in 10 man days pretty easily. Total inc. supplying everything above - £3350. That is too much apparently. I thought it was incredibly cheap. We were budgeting on £150/day each, and put 5.5 days down. Any thoughts? Tell them that is your best price, and the quote is good for 30 days, and then walk away... They will be working on the basis that no matter what the price you can always take a bit more off...Dont budge, thats a very good price. Give them the 30 days good, I doubt if they will better that. Indeed, and if someone is prepared to do it for less, then let them - sounds like they probably deserve each other! Absolutely. Hell, are you anywhere near Gloucestershire? :-) I will be in a few weeks time. Offering a brew as I pass by? -- Adam |
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ARW wrote: A.Lee wrote: Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. ... Yes. Tell them to **** off. I spoke to him today. He said he cannot afford that amount, but if he was to buy the materilas, would we fit it. Of course we would, but the total cost would be more as we'll know where to get it the cheapest. So, he reckons he can get it all cheaper than us, and that there is no need for a new consumer unit too, he doesnt mind if we just supply the shower and water heaters off the 3 way Wylex fuse box, which is a TT supply, with no earth rod or water bonding. Clearly he hasnt a clue, so we'll be giving it a miss. Oh but he does have a clue. He's a rogue customer and you are not a rogue trader. I know the sort of person he is. You deserve better customers than that Alan and walking away from this one is the correct thing to do. I think ALL other posters to this thread have agreed and said the same thing. I would not accept the job even if he came back and said he could now afford your quote. This **** will try to rip you off. -- Adam |
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Streater writes In article , "ARW" wrote: A.Lee wrote: ARW wrote: A.Lee wrote: Me and my builder mate have just priced up a job. ... Yes. Tell them to **** off. I spoke to him today. He said he cannot afford that amount, but if he was to buy the materilas, would we fit it. Of course we would, but the total cost would be more as we'll know where to get it the cheapest. So, he reckons he can get it all cheaper than us, and that there is no need for a new consumer unit too, he doesnt mind if we just supply the shower and water heaters off the 3 way Wylex fuse box, which is a TT supply, with no earth rod or water bonding. Clearly he hasnt a clue, so we'll be giving it a miss. Oh but he does have a clue. He's a rogue customer and you are not a rogue trader. I know the sort of person he is. You deserve better customers than that Alan and walking away from this one is the correct thing to do. I think ALL other posters to this thread have agreed and said the same thing. I would not accept the job even if he came back and said he could now afford your quote. This **** will try to rip you off. Or even if he doesn't do that, he'll expect you to cut corners and not do the job according to regs. Or try to renegotiate the price after you've finished the job - or just not pay up. -- bert |
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