Telephone cable stolen again
Hi All
In November I posted about the telephone cable to our village being stolen Last Friday night same thing again This time barely 50 metres of cable or so it seems from within the village outside of a row of houses Although Andy Burns may have more/different info I have today got broadband and both phones back but neither phone is my number I even had a call from India to tell me my residential line was fixed now and it took nearly 10 minutes to make the numpty understand it was a crossed line At least the BT business guy in the UK understood My question is how expensive is fibre optic and the hardware at each end and is fibre optic wirth stealing? Regards |
Telephone cable stolen again
TMC formulated on Wednesday :
My question is how expensive is fibre optic and the hardware at each end and is fibre optic wirth stealing? No, no scrap value that I am aware of - but then copper telephone cable has none either, it has very little copper content. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:19:31 GMT, Harry Bloomfield
wrote: TMC formulated on Wednesday : My question is how expensive is fibre optic and the hardware at each end and is fibre optic wirth stealing? No, no scrap value that I am aware of - but then copper telephone cable has none either, it has very little copper content. Fibre may have little scrap value, but that doesn't stop the thick pikeys stealing it anyway, not knowing what it is... -- Frank Erskine |
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In message , TMC
writes Hi All In November I posted about the telephone cable to our village being stolen Last Friday night same thing again Move to, as they say in UKRM, a less pikey area Nothing been nicked round here since the summer when they plunged half of NW London into darkness -- geoff |
Telephone cable stolen again
On Jan 12, 8:30*pm, "TMC" wrote:
Hi All In November I posted about the telephone cable to our village being stolen Last Friday night same thing again This time barely 50 metres of cable or so it seems from within the village outside of a row of houses Although Andy Burns may have more/different info I have today got broadband and both phones back but neither phone is my number I even had a call from India to tell me my residential line was fixed now and it took nearly 10 minutes to make the numpty understand it was a crossed line At least the BT business guy in the UK understood My question is how expensive is fibre optic and the hardware at each end and is fibre optic wirth stealing? Regards if its copper coated steel, adding notices to that effect _might_ deter people. NT |
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"Tabby" wrote in message
... On Jan 12, 8:30 pm, "TMC" wrote: Hi All In November I posted about the telephone cable to our village being stolen Last Friday night same thing again This time barely 50 metres of cable or so it seems from within the village outside of a row of houses Although Andy Burns may have more/different info I have today got broadband and both phones back but neither phone is my number I even had a call from India to tell me my residential line was fixed now and it took nearly 10 minutes to make the numpty understand it was a crossed line At least the BT business guy in the UK understood My question is how expensive is fibre optic and the hardware at each end and is fibre optic wirth stealing? Regards if its copper coated steel, adding notices to that effect _might_ deter people. Assuming that the culprits are literate! Peter Crosland |
Telephone cable stolen again
In article , Harry
Bloomfield scribeth thus TMC formulated on Wednesday : My question is how expensive is fibre optic and the hardware at each end and is fibre optic wirth stealing? No, no scrap value that I am aware of - but then copper telephone cable has none either, it has very little copper content. We've seen Mr Pikey nick Six inches of copper braiding recently. You might wonder about the sense these people have it must have cost them more in petrol than what they got as scrap;!.. Unless the petrol was half-inched as well;(.. -- Tony Sayer |
Telephone cable stolen again
On 12/01/2011 20:30, TMC wrote:
Hi All In November I posted about the telephone cable to our village being stolen Last Friday night same thing again This time barely 50 metres of cable or so it seems from within the village outside of a row of houses Although Andy Burns may have more/different info I have today got broadband and both phones back but neither phone is my number I even had a call from India to tell me my residential line was fixed now and it took nearly 10 minutes to make the numpty understand it was a crossed line At least the BT business guy in the UK understood My question is how expensive is fibre optic and the hardware at each end and is fibre optic wirth stealing? A local industrial estate has had half a kilometre of phone cable serving it taken on four separate occasions in the past six months and that appparently has not justified the change. However, on the radio, BT claimed to have installed monitors on the lines that will alert them if they are cut again. Colin Bignell |
Telephone cable stolen again
On 13/01/2011 09:31, Nightjar "cpb"@ insertmysurnamehere wrote:
A local industrial estate has had half a kilometre of phone cable serving it taken on four separate occasions in the past six months and that appparently has not justified the change. However, on the radio, BT claimed to have installed monitors on the lines that will alert them if they are cut again. Perhaps a neat bit of Time-domain reflectometry so they can judge exactly to the nearest metre where the wires have been cut, so they can send some burly lads round? -- Adrian C |
Telephone cable stolen again
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"cpb"@ "insertmysurnamehere@?.? scribeth thus On 12/01/2011 20:30, TMC wrote: Hi All In November I posted about the telephone cable to our village being stolen Last Friday night same thing again This time barely 50 metres of cable or so it seems from within the village outside of a row of houses Although Andy Burns may have more/different info I have today got broadband and both phones back but neither phone is my number I even had a call from India to tell me my residential line was fixed now and it took nearly 10 minutes to make the numpty understand it was a crossed line At least the BT business guy in the UK understood My question is how expensive is fibre optic and the hardware at each end and is fibre optic wirth stealing? A local industrial estate has had half a kilometre of phone cable serving it taken on four separate occasions in the past six months and that appparently has not justified the change. However, on the radio, BT claimed to have installed monitors on the lines that will alert them if they are cut again. Colin Bignell And who are BT gonna call .. I wonder;?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On 13/01/2011 09:43, Adrian C wrote:
On 13/01/2011 09:31, Nightjar "cpb"@ insertmysurnamehere wrote: A local industrial estate has had half a kilometre of phone cable serving it taken on four separate occasions in the past six months and that appparently has not justified the change. However, on the radio, BT claimed to have installed monitors on the lines that will alert them if they are cut again. Perhaps a neat bit of Time-domain reflectometry so they can judge exactly to the nearest metre where the wires have been cut, so they can send some burly lads round? They were, understandably, being a bit vague about exactly what they were doing. However, it has been the same two manholes used each time, so they may not need anything that sophisticated. Colin Bignell |
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Nightjar "cpb"@ insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 13/01/2011 09:43, Adrian C wrote: On 13/01/2011 09:31, Nightjar "cpb"@ insertmysurnamehere wrote: A local industrial estate has had half a kilometre of phone cable serving it taken on four separate occasions in the past six months and that appparently has not justified the change. However, on the radio, BT claimed to have installed monitors on the lines that will alert them if they are cut again. Perhaps a neat bit of Time-domain reflectometry so they can judge exactly to the nearest metre where the wires have been cut, so they can send some burly lads round? They were, understandably, being a bit vague about exactly what they were doing. However, it has been the same two manholes used each time, so they may not need anything that sophisticated. Colin Bignell Never understood why they don't just securely lock manhole covers. Yes I know lost key etc. but it can't be that hard surely? -- Cheers Andy |
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Andy gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying: Never understood why they don't just securely lock manhole covers. Yes I know lost key etc. but it can't be that hard surely? So there's either a monumentally huge collection of keys, one per manhole, with an almost 100% guarantee that the bloke who needs to gain access won't have the right one - or they're all keyed alike, in which case how long do you think it'd take the scrotes to get a copy? Always assuming they didn't just use brute force and ignorance to get round it, of course, thereby hugely increasing the repair costs. When it comes down to it - all you can do is lock the cover to the frame. And the frame can always be removed from the tarmac... |
Telephone cable stolen again
Adrian wrote:
Andy gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: Never understood why they don't just securely lock manhole covers. Yes I know lost key etc. but it can't be that hard surely? So there's either a monumentally huge collection of keys, one per manhole, with an almost 100% guarantee that the bloke who needs to gain access won't have the right one - or they're all keyed alike, in which case how long do you think it'd take the scrotes to get a copy? Always assuming they didn't just use brute force and ignorance to get round it, of course, thereby hugely increasing the repair costs. When it comes down to it - all you can do is lock the cover to the frame. And the frame can always be removed from the tarmac... New I shouldn't have posted that ;o) -- Cheers Andy |
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Adrian wrote:
Andy gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: Never understood why they don't just securely lock manhole covers. Yes I know lost key etc. but it can't be that hard surely? So there's either a monumentally huge collection of keys, one per manhole, with an almost 100% guarantee that the bloke who needs to gain access won't have the right one - or they're all keyed alike, in which case how long do you think it'd take the scrotes to get a copy? Always assuming they didn't just use brute force and ignorance to get round it, of course, thereby hugely increasing the repair costs. When it comes down to it - all you can do is lock the cover to the frame. And the frame can always be removed from the tarmac... And locking it shut would mean leaving what would have to be a fairly fine tolerance locking system in close proximity to the groundwater, rain, and all the other insults such things suffer at ground level. Manholes can be hard enough to lift even if they're not locked down, IME. T-key locks on vehicle access flaps are bad enough..... -- Tciao for Now! John. |
Telephone cable stolen again
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:08:26 -0800 (PST), Tabby wrote:
On Jan 12, 8:30*pm, "TMC" wrote: Hi All In November I posted about the telephone cable to our village being stolen Last Friday night same thing again This time barely 50 metres of cable or so it seems from within the village outside of a row of houses Although Andy Burns may have more/different info I have today got broadband and both phones back but neither phone is my number I even had a call from India to tell me my residential line was fixed now and it took nearly 10 minutes to make the numpty understand it was a crossed line At least the BT business guy in the UK understood My question is how expensive is fibre optic and the hardware at each end and is fibre optic wirth stealing? Regards if its copper coated steel, adding notices to that effect _might_ deter people. I think the only thing that works is word of mouth ... It seems to work like this: Some toerag nicks a length of telephone cable, about which there is a lot of (local) publicity. Every other villain in the vicinity thinks it's a good idea and, suddenly, there's cable being nicked all over the place. Then, as they all realise that what they've nicked is a large lump of plastic with minimal copper added and, no doubt, moan about it to their mates, the word gets around that it isn't worth the effort and the problem goes away ... Of course, by this time, the initial news has spread and the next thing you know, ther's another outbreak at the other end of the county ...! We had it happen here twice within a short period a few years ago but, thankfully, it hasn't happened again since ... -- Terry |
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On 13/01/2011 10:26, Andy wrote:
Never understood why they don't just securely lock manhole covers. Yes I know lost key etc. but it can't be that hard surely? Virgin Media do have keys, but we have their roadside cabinets around here that all feature doors that flap in the wind, they are permanently open. Most are unlocked by the cable installers who fail to walk back down the road to secure, and others are unlocked (and locks broken) by dumb peeps up to some mischief - perhaps they can reconnect their cable service, "it's only them wires disconnected, ain't it?" Folks who have moved away from BT to cable rely on the security of these things to call 999. Slightly worrying :-( -- Adrian C |
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Adrian C gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying: Folks who have moved away from BT to cable rely on the security of these things to call 999. Assuming, of course, they don't own a mobile. Or have any neighbours with a BT line and/or a mobile. |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:47:58 +0000, Adrian C wrote:
Folks who have moved away from BT to cable rely on the security of these things to call 999. Just as easy to access most BT street boxes as well, be they green boxes above ground or a cable joint in a hole. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:31:41 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote:
Fibre may have little scrap value, but that doesn't stop the thick pikeys stealing it anyway, not knowing what it is... isa cable innit, copper like, nine grand a ton. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:08:26 -0800 (PST), Tabby wrote:
if its copper coated steel, adding notices to that effect _might_ deter people. Do they have coppered steel? They have coppered aluminium (and blooming awful stuff that is, too brittle) -- Cheers Dave. |
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Harry Bloomfield writes: TMC formulated on Wednesday : My question is how expensive is fibre optic and the hardware at each end and is fibre optic wirth stealing? No, no scrap value that I am aware of - but then copper telephone cable has none either, it has very little copper content. Unfortunately copper telephone cable does have scrap value - that's the problem. Not the 2 pair pinned to your skirting board, but the 200 pair yanked out of the ground ducts by a 4x4 does. The scrap value is probably minescule compared with replacement cost, but that's not something the thieves consider. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On 13 Jan,
"Dave Liquorice" wrote: Do they have coppered steel? They have coppered aluminium (and blooming awful stuff that is, too brittle) Copper coated steel is certainly available. Used for aerial and feeder wire. Some PO drop wire was steel cored, not sure what it's coated with, just it is very stiff. I've got a sample somewhere in the loft. -- B Thumbs Change lycos to yahoo to reply |
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"Andy" wrote in message
o.uk... Nightjar "cpb"@ insertmysurnamehere wrote: On 13/01/2011 09:43, Adrian C wrote: Never understood why they don't just securely lock manhole covers. Yes I know lost key etc. but it can't be that hard surely? When it happened to our village the third time they concreted over the manhole. Presumably it's easier to break up the concrete when access is needed than to keep replacing the cable. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , Harry Bloomfield writes: TMC formulated on Wednesday : My question is how expensive is fibre optic and the hardware at each end and is fibre optic wirth stealing? No, no scrap value that I am aware of - but then copper telephone cable has none either, it has very little copper content. Unfortunately copper telephone cable does have scrap value - that's the problem. Not the 2 pair pinned to your skirting board, but the 200 pair yanked out of the ground ducts by a 4x4 does. The scrap value is probably minescule compared with replacement cost, but that's not something the thieves consider. And is minuscule compared to what the same time spent labouring on a building site would net them. When my garden shed got broken into, at most there was 300 quids worth (retail) of stuff taken: That must have taken them at least three blokes several hours to plan, and execute, plus petrol (assuming that was in fact paid for) plus the hassle of finding a fence etc. I mean compared with - say - dealing drugs, or defrauding investors at a hedge fund, petty thievery is completely ******** in terms of cost benefit analysis. I suspect its simply a way of life for some people. |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:52:06 -0800, "Colonel Edmund J. Burke"
wrote: "TMC" wrote in message ... Hi All In November I posted about the telephone cable to our village being stolen You didn't "posted about" anything, you ignorant ****. Get to the point! Keep yer writing clear! The English are under the misinterpretation that verbal circumlocution is good for the sake of sounding important, when in fact it is the height of idiocy. If that's the case, Kernel, you've reached the summit of idiocy! LOL |
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TMC wrote:
In November I posted about the telephone cable to our village being stolen Last Friday night same thing again Yep at 01:40 according to my router monitoring This time barely 50 metres of cable or so it seems from within the village outside of a row of houses I went out early on Saturday morning and I did see the BT vans opposite Griffs, but couldn't really see anyone stealing cable from there Although Andy Burns may have more/different info At the bottom of the hill, round the bed before Crow Mills I noticed the manhole had been pulled out of the ground, I saw them running a new cable in on Sunday night, but I wasn't reconnected until last night My broadband speed has more than halved from 2.6Mb to 1.1Mb! |
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Adrian C wrote:
Perhaps a neat bit of Time-domain reflectometry so they can judge exactly to the nearest metre where the wires have been cut, so they can send some burly lads round? They do seem to that, an old school friend works for BT and as they are hopeless at keeping us informed on progress, I phoned him both times the cable has been stolen and the system he logged into gave an exact distance to the fault. He also says they are now using a loopback pair in each 1000 pair cable to give them an alarm as soon as the cable is hacksawed through ... |
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On 13 Jan,
"Dave Liquorice" wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:07:22 GMT, wrote: Some PO drop wire was steel cored, not sure what it's coated with, just it is very stiff. I've got a sample somewhere in the loft. Dropwire No.10 has steel strainers (plain yellow insulation IIRC) but the pairs are just copper. The stiffness comes more from the jolly tough jacket than the cores. Just dug out my sample. cores about 18 or 20 swg. Steel core (sticks to magnet and exposed end was rusty). Stripped back fairly tough PVC insulation to reveal a copper coloured core. It's a figure 8 construction. As used by PO around 1970. I'm sure lots of it is now being abused by ADSL. It may have been overhead for final drop from DP. -- B Thumbs Change lycos to yahoo to reply |
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Andy Burns wrote:
TMC wrote: In November I posted about the telephone cable to our village being stolen Last Friday night same thing again Yep at 01:40 according to my router monitoring This time barely 50 metres of cable or so it seems from within the village outside of a row of houses I went out early on Saturday morning and I did see the BT vans opposite Griffs, but couldn't really see anyone stealing cable from there Although Andy Burns may have more/different info At the bottom of the hill, round the bed before Crow Mills I noticed the manhole had been pulled out of the ground, I saw them running a new cable in on Sunday night, but I wasn't reconnected until last night My broadband speed has more than halved from 2.6Mb to 1.1Mb! You are ringing bells now - You're in Countesthorpe. Yes, BT vans arrived around 10.30am on Sunday, and have been there all week. Has the cable been stolen then? It seems strange that they have done it there, it isnt a road that is quiet at many times. Also, there were 2 cars in the ditch on Sunday, just where the manhole is - maybe they had something to do with it? Alan. -- To reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'. |
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A.Lee wrote:
You are ringing bells now - You're in Countesthorpe. Yep Yes, BT vans arrived around 10.30am on Sunday, and have been there all week. The two vans *in* the village were there at least on sat and sun morning, maybe an unrelated fault? I did speak to them to let them know of the manhole problem, but they weren't very interested. Has the cable been stolen then? Yes, there's a crime reference recorded for it on BT's internal system. I saw two BT lorries pulling the new cable in on Sunday evening, last time it happened they seemed to chuck lots of vans full of engineers at it 24x7 once the new cable was in, this time they seemed to only work on it during the day, but I haven't been around all the time, so just based on my observations "in passing" It seems strange that they have done it there, it isnt a road that is quiet at many times. Also, there were 2 cars in the ditch on Sunday, just where the manhole is - maybe they had something to do with it? Dunno, it happened early saturday morning, rather than sunday ... still bloody annoying. |
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Telephone cable stolen again
"Andy Burns" wrote in message o.uk... A.Lee wrote: You are ringing bells now - You're in Countesthorpe. Yep Yes, BT vans arrived around 10.30am on Sunday, and have been there all week. The two vans *in* the village were there at least on sat and sun morning, maybe an unrelated fault? I did speak to them to let them know of the manhole problem, but they weren't very interested. Has the cable been stolen then? Yes, there's a crime reference recorded for it on BT's internal system. I saw two BT lorries pulling the new cable in on Sunday evening, last time it happened they seemed to chuck lots of vans full of engineers at it 24x7 once the new cable was in, this time they seemed to only work on it during the day, but I haven't been around all the time, so just based on my observations "in passing" Cable was solen from near crow mills then any idea from where to where? Swmbo saw BT at a manhole just before and opposite the raised pavement yesterday with what looked like a water pump, big yellow hose attached Odd when I drove by the work in the village on Saturday (a week ago) I saw the engineer handling what looked like 25mm diameter cables in the pit at the green box near to the church just along from Griffs. A friend asked the engineer who told him that the cables had been cut there |
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TMC wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message o.uk... A.Lee wrote: You are ringing bells now - You're in Countesthorpe. Yep Yes, BT vans arrived around 10.30am on Sunday, and have been there all week. The two vans *in* the village were there at least on sat and sun morning, maybe an unrelated fault? I did speak to them to let them know of the manhole problem, but they weren't very interested. Has the cable been stolen then? Yes, there's a crime reference recorded for it on BT's internal system. I saw two BT lorries pulling the new cable in on Sunday evening, last time it happened they seemed to chuck lots of vans full of engineers at it 24x7 once the new cable was in, this time they seemed to only work on it during the day, but I haven't been around all the time, so just based on my observations "in passing" Cable was solen from near crow mills then any idea from where to where? From about 50 yards one side of the 'big' bend to about 50 yards the other side of it ... Swmbo saw BT at a manhole just before and opposite the raised pavement yesterday with what looked like a water pump, big yellow hose attached Might explain why my broadband has been down to ISDN speeds since yesterday. Odd when I drove by the work in the village on Saturday (a week ago) I saw the engineer handling what looked like 25mm diameter cables in the pit at the green box near to the church just along from Griffs. A friend asked the engineer who told him that the cables had been cut there BT certainly were working there, I saw they had the joint 'tube' propped up on sticks, they weren't very talkative when I told them about the other manhole problem. If the *******s *did* have the cheek to cut the cable there, they'll try to cut it anywhere, surely some folks in the houses close by are still up and about at 12:40 on Friday night, or getting kicked out of the pubs? |
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message ... TMC wrote: "Andy Burns" wrote in message o.uk... A.Lee wrote: You are ringing bells now - You're in Countesthorpe. Yep Yes, BT vans arrived around 10.30am on Sunday, and have been there all week. The two vans *in* the village were there at least on sat and sun morning, maybe an unrelated fault? I did speak to them to let them know of the manhole problem, but they weren't very interested. Has the cable been stolen then? Yes, there's a crime reference recorded for it on BT's internal system. I saw two BT lorries pulling the new cable in on Sunday evening, last time it happened they seemed to chuck lots of vans full of engineers at it 24x7 once the new cable was in, this time they seemed to only work on it during the day, but I haven't been around all the time, so just based on my observations "in passing" Cable was solen from near crow mills then any idea from where to where? From about 50 yards one side of the 'big' bend to about 50 yards the other side of it ... Swmbo saw BT at a manhole just before and opposite the raised pavement yesterday with what looked like a water pump, big yellow hose attached Might explain why my broadband has been down to ISDN speeds since yesterday. Odd when I drove by the work in the village on Saturday (a week ago) I saw the engineer handling what looked like 25mm diameter cables in the pit at the green box near to the church just along from Griffs. A friend asked the engineer who told him that the cables had been cut there BT certainly were working there, I saw they had the joint 'tube' propped up on sticks, they weren't very talkative when I told them about the other manhole problem. If the *******s *did* have the cheek to cut the cable there, they'll try to cut it anywhere, surely some folks in the houses close by are still up and about at 12:40 on Friday night, or getting kicked out of the pubs? I wonder if the thieving b*****ds were double teamed and hit 2 locations at the same time My broadband is still at normalish speed showing as 2240 down and 480 up Have just got my first phone number corrected was a crossed line second number is still crossed Regards |
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