[Dave Osborne[_2_]]

Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s.

Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg

here's the other side: -

http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg

Cheers,
DaveyOz

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Dave Osborne wrote:
Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s.

Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg

here's the other side: -

http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg

Perhaps to do with a group of manufacturers who produced an identical
product - and at the same price?

--
*Can vegetarians eat animal crackers?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Jonathan]

On 3 Nov, 13:18, Dave Osborne wrote:
Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s.

Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg

here's the other side: -

http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg

Cheers,
DaveyOz

Google turned up this - don't know if it's relevant given the time
difference:

http://www.info4fire.com/news-conten...able-suppliers

Jonathan

[Jim K[_3_]]

On 3 Nov, 13:49, Jonathan wrote:
On 3 Nov, 13:18, Dave Osborne wrote:

Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s.

Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg

here's the other side: -

http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg

Cheers,
DaveyOz

Google turned up this - don't know if it's relevant given the time
difference:

http://www.info4fire.com/news-conten...name-and-shame...

Jonathan

curious why the presumably dubious sparky/builder left the labels
lying around?

Jim K

[Chris J Dixon]

Dave Osborne wrote:

Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s.

Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg

here's the other side: -

http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg


Interesting snippet at
http://www.stbryde.co.uk/right%20angle/news_2004.htm

As the building neared completion relations between the Lodge and Architect became strained. The building had been wired in non-association cable instead of association cable as specified. The mistake was made by the foreman and a rebate of £2 17/- was offered or the job rewired to comply with the main cable run by the Clyde Valley Power Company.

The decision was that the Hall would be rewired. Remarkable, even more so, when you consider that this took place two weeks before the consecration ceremony on 9th. September 1924

So it looks as though it was some sort of cable standard, whose
use was at the discretion of the specifier.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

[Peter Parry]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:18:57 +0000, Dave Osborne
wrote:

Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s.

Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

Rubber cable pre about 1948 was largely made by a group of companies
who formed the CMA (Cable Manufacturers Association) and fixed prices,
standards and supply quantities. Cable from non members was a cheaper
and lower quality "Nonazo" (non-Association) cable which was only
considered to be good enough for "ordinary" installations. Both CMA
and Nonazo were superceeded during WW2 by "war emergency cable" and I
believe production of Nonazo stopped in about 1948.

http://www.competition-commission.or....../004c07.pdf

[Ronald Raygun]

Peter Parry wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:18:57 +0000, Dave Osborne
wrote:

Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early
'60s.

Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

Rubber cable pre about 1948 was largely made by a group of companies
who formed the CMA (Cable Manufacturers Association) and fixed prices,
standards and supply quantities. Cable from non members was a cheaper
and lower quality "Nonazo" (non-Association) cable which was only
considered to be good enough for "ordinary" installations. Both CMA
and Nonazo were superceeded during WW2 by "war emergency cable" and I
believe production of Nonazo stopped in about 1948.

http://www.competition-commission.or....../004c07.pdf

One wonders whether Nonazo was really of lower quality, or just cheaper
because it wasn't as overpriced as the market leaders.

Much in the same way as a non-Heinz baked bean is cheaper than but not
necessarily inferior to a Heinz one.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Chris J Dixon
saying something like:

Interesting snippet at
http://www.stbryde.co.uk/right%20angle/news_2004.htm

Good grief, I probably know some o' they buggers.

[ARWadsworth]

Dave Osborne wrote:
Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or
early '60s.
Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg

here's the other side: -

http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg

Cheers,
DaveyOz

Okay so the book is dated 1931. These scans might answer the question.

http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img010.jpg
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img011.jpg


There other sections covering steel conduit, lead covered wiring and wood
casing that I can scan if anyone is interested. There is also a brilliant
section on how to light a house.

HTH

--
Adam

[ARWadsworth]

ARWadsworth wrote:
Dave Osborne wrote:
Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or
early '60s.
Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg

here's the other side: -

http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg

Cheers,
DaveyOz

Okay so the book is dated 1931. These scans might answer the question.

http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img010.jpg
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img011.jpg

Quick point.

Only the last scan mentions the Non-Association cable but I showed all three
pages for those who may be interested


--
Adam

[Dave Osborne[_2_]]

ARWadsworth wrote:
Dave Osborne wrote:
Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or
early '60s.
Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg

here's the other side: -

http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg

Cheers,
DaveyOz

Okay so the book is dated 1931. These scans might answer the question.

http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img010.jpg
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img011.jpg


There other sections covering steel conduit, lead covered wiring and wood
casing that I can scan if anyone is interested. There is also a brilliant
section on how to light a house.

HTH


Perfick. Thanks Adam.

[Frank Erskine]

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:14:29 -0000, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:

Dave Osborne wrote:
Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or
early '60s.
Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg

here's the other side: -

http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg

Cheers,
DaveyOz

Okay so the book is dated 1931. These scans might answer the question.

http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img010.jpg
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img011.jpg


There other sections covering steel conduit, lead covered wiring and wood
casing that I can scan if anyone is interested. There is also a brilliant
section on how to light a house.

HTH

My 1936 "Sunco" trade catalogue lists their VIR cable as "Association
Quality", and their Cab Tyre Sheath (CTS) merely as British Made.
There are two types of VIR listed - "S.C.V." 600 Megohm grade rated
test pressure 1,000 volts after 24 hours immersion in water at 60F,
and "S.C.X." 2,500 Megohm grade with similar test pressure.
The CTS is merely shown as 600 Megohm grade.
All are allegedly made to I.E.E. specification.

--
Frank Erskine

[nightjar]

On 03/11/2010 15:47, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Peter Parry wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:18:57 +0000, Dave Osborne
wrote:

Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early
'60s.

Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

Rubber cable pre about 1948 was largely made by a group of companies
who formed the CMA (Cable Manufacturers Association) and fixed prices,
standards and supply quantities. Cable from non members was a cheaper
and lower quality "Nonazo" (non-Association) cable which was only
considered to be good enough for "ordinary" installations. Both CMA
and Nonazo were superceeded during WW2 by "war emergency cable" and I
believe production of Nonazo stopped in about 1948.

http://www.competition-commission.or....../004c07.pdf

One wonders whether Nonazo was really of lower quality, or just cheaper
because it wasn't as overpriced as the market leaders.

Manufacturer's associations set up to maintain product quality were not
uncommon before the establishment of British Standards. They followed in
the tradition of the medieval Guilds.

As with British Standards, you could be sure that association products
met a certain minimum standard. Non-association products would be
cheaper because they were not inspected or tested to the same standard
and, therefore, there was no guarantee of the quality.

Much in the same way as a non-Heinz baked bean is cheaper than but not
necessarily inferior to a Heinz one.

I've never found one that was not.

Colin Bignell

[ARWadsworth]

Frank Erskine wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:14:29 -0000, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:

Dave Osborne wrote:
Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or
early '60s.
Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg

here's the other side: -

http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg

Cheers,
DaveyOz

Okay so the book is dated 1931. These scans might answer the
question.

http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img010.jpg
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img011.jpg


There other sections covering steel conduit, lead covered wiring and
wood casing that I can scan if anyone is interested. There is also a
brilliant section on how to light a house.

HTH

My 1936 "Sunco" trade catalogue lists their VIR cable as "Association
Quality", and their Cab Tyre Sheath (CTS) merely as British Made.
There are two types of VIR listed - "S.C.V." 600 Megohm grade rated
test pressure 1,000 volts after 24 hours immersion in water at 60F,
and "S.C.X." 2,500 Megohm grade with similar test pressure.
The CTS is merely shown as 600 Megohm grade.
All are allegedly made to I.E.E. specification.


CTS is here

http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img013.jpg

--
Adam

[Dave Osborne[_2_]]

Frank Erskine wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:14:29 -0000, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:

Dave Osborne wrote:
Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or
early '60s.
Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg

here's the other side: -

http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg

Cheers,
DaveyOz
Okay so the book is dated 1931. These scans might answer the question.

http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img010.jpg
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img011.jpg


There other sections covering steel conduit, lead covered wiring and wood
casing that I can scan if anyone is interested. There is also a brilliant
section on how to light a house.

HTH

My 1936 "Sunco" trade catalogue lists their VIR cable as "Association
Quality", and their Cab Tyre Sheath (CTS) merely as British Made.
There are two types of VIR listed - "S.C.V." 600 Megohm grade rated
test pressure 1,000 volts after 24 hours immersion in water at 60F,
and "S.C.X." 2,500 Megohm grade with similar test pressure.
The CTS is merely shown as 600 Megohm grade.
All are allegedly made to I.E.E. specification.


Is this where the expression "CTS gland" comes from, I wonder?

[Frank Erskine]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:56:15 +0000, Dave Osborne
wrote:

Frank Erskine wrote:

My 1936 "Sunco" trade catalogue lists their VIR cable as "Association
Quality", and their Cab Tyre Sheath (CTS) merely as British Made.
There are two types of VIR listed - "S.C.V." 600 Megohm grade rated
test pressure 1,000 volts after 24 hours immersion in water at 60F,
and "S.C.X." 2,500 Megohm grade with similar test pressure.
The CTS is merely shown as 600 Megohm grade.
All are allegedly made to I.E.E. specification.


Is this where the expression "CTS gland" comes from, I wonder?

Yes.

--
Frank Erskine

[Dave Osborne[_2_]]

Frank Erskine wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:56:15 +0000, Dave Osborne
wrote:

Frank Erskine wrote:

My 1936 "Sunco" trade catalogue lists their VIR cable as "Association
Quality", and their Cab Tyre Sheath (CTS) merely as British Made.
There are two types of VIR listed - "S.C.V." 600 Megohm grade rated
test pressure 1,000 volts after 24 hours immersion in water at 60F,
and "S.C.X." 2,500 Megohm grade with similar test pressure.
The CTS is merely shown as 600 Megohm grade.
All are allegedly made to I.E.E. specification.

Is this where the expression "CTS gland" comes from, I wonder?

Yes.

So was it a gland made out of CTS or a gland for CTS cable?

[Frank Erskine]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 21:03:57 +0000, Dave Osborne
wrote:

Frank Erskine wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:56:15 +0000, Dave Osborne
wrote:

Frank Erskine wrote:

My 1936 "Sunco" trade catalogue lists their VIR cable as "Association
Quality", and their Cab Tyre Sheath (CTS) merely as British Made.
There are two types of VIR listed - "S.C.V." 600 Megohm grade rated
test pressure 1,000 volts after 24 hours immersion in water at 60F,
and "S.C.X." 2,500 Megohm grade with similar test pressure.
The CTS is merely shown as 600 Megohm grade.
All are allegedly made to I.E.E. specification.

Is this where the expression "CTS gland" comes from, I wonder?

Yes.

So was it a gland made out of CTS or a gland for CTS cable?

It was made for CTS cable.

--
Frank Erskine

[Graham.[_5_]]

http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg

2nd para.
Pure copper possesses the highest electrical conductivity of all the metals.

I_beg_to_differ.

--
Graham.

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