"dave" wrote in message
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We have an antique elec. storge system still under something called
Tarrif 19
(could easily be called something similar I can't recall what!). The
heaters
themselves are somewhat newer though and working ok so don't want to
change
them. We were sent a notice that a "Statutory meter change" is going to
happen
and that we will then be on Economy 7. So I asked the "chap who came to
change
the meter, but on this the second visit, turned up again without the
appropriate
meter", to confirm that Economy 7 still has two ON cycles per day. He said
yes
it has. Could someone please confirm that for me that this in in fact
correct?
Is there any difference?
tia

thought it was 2.00 am till 8.00 a.m.

"Mindwipe" wrote in message
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"dave" wrote in message
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We have an antique elec. storge system still under something
called
Tarrif 19
(could easily be called something similar I can't recall what!).
The
heaters
themselves are somewhat newer though and working ok so don't want
to
change
them. We were sent a notice that a "Statutory meter change" is
going to
happen
and that we will then be on Economy 7. So I asked the "chap who
came to
change
the meter, but on this the second visit, turned up again without
the
appropriate
meter", to confirm that Economy 7 still has two ON cycles per day.
He said
yes
it has. Could someone please confirm that for me that this in in
fact
correct?
Is there any difference?
tia

thought it was 2.00 am till 8.00 a.m.


Economy 7 on my system is 00:30 till 07:30 in winter, and 01:30 toll
08:30 BST, but this is not with storage heating.
--
Gavin Gillespie
Giltbrook
Nottingham UK

"Gavin Gillespie" wrote in message
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"Mindwipe" wrote in message
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"dave" wrote in message
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We have an antique elec. storge system still under something
called
Tarrif 19
(could easily be called something similar I can't recall what!).
The
heaters
themselves are somewhat newer though and working ok so don't want
to
change
them. We were sent a notice that a "Statutory meter change" is
going to
happen
and that we will then be on Economy 7. So I asked the "chap who
came to
change
the meter, but on this the second visit, turned up again without
the
appropriate
meter", to confirm that Economy 7 still has two ON cycles per day.
He said
yes
it has. Could someone please confirm that for me that this in in
fact
correct?
Is there any difference?
tia

thought it was 2.00 am till 8.00 a.m.


Economy 7 on my system is 00:30 till 07:30 in winter, and 01:30 toll
08:30 BST, but this is not with storage heating.

The man from the leccy set mine to 22:30-00:30 and 02:30-07:30.
as it runs off the time signal I think it's the same in the summer

Tim



--
Gavin Gillespie
Giltbrook
Nottingham UK

thought it was 2.00 am till 8.00 a.m.


I was on economy 7 until a couple of years ago, i think it has a 1 hour
boost at some time in the afternoon.

Glenn

We have an antique elec. storge system still under something called Tarrif 19
(could easily be called something similar I can't recall what!) snip
Is there any difference?

I would think there is a difference. I`m on a tariff called Option 14
which gives 14 hours of "off peak" per day (9-8am and 1-4pm or something
similar).

If they are trying to force you onto a different tariff, you may find
there is some form of "tariff protection" in force which will allow you
to remain under the original tariff - speak to www.energywatch.org.uk if
they try to talk you into a different one !

Just because a tariff is no longer available to new customers, it doesn`t
mean existing customers having an SMC can be made to lose theirs.

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:45:35 +0000, dave wrote:

We have an antique elec. storge system still under something called Tarrif 19
(could easily be called something similar I can't recall what!). The heaters
themselves are somewhat newer though and working ok so don't want to change
them. We were sent a notice that a "Statutory meter change" is going to happen
and that we will then be on Economy 7. So I asked the "chap who came to change
the meter, but on this the second visit, turned up again without the appropriate
meter", to confirm that Economy 7 still has two ON cycles per day. He said yes
it has. Could someone please confirm that for me that this in in fact correct?
Is there any difference?
tia.

E7 does *not* have a cheap rate boost during the daytime. Your whole
installation is either connected at day (expensive) rate or night
(cheap) rate. The meter or timeswitch should have a switching contact
that allows your heaters only to be operative during the night period,
probably by using a contactor. You need to be certain that the heaters
are restricted to the night period for the charge, otherwise your next
bill will be astronomical!

You say that the heaters are somewhat newer, but be warned, unless they
are (manufacturer) designed and intended to function properly on a 7
hour cheap rate charge period, they will not be as effective at keeping
you warm on a straight day/night tariff as on an old off-peak tariff
with a day boost.

Unless legislation has changed things in the last few years, your supply
company *cannot* unilaterally change your tariff. That they sent you a
notification advising that you would be put onto E7 when the meter is
changed seems like a bit of sharp practice on the part of the supply
company. If you just accept it, they can argue that you have agreed to
go to E7 by not protesting about the change of tariff.

In your situation, I'd (a) contact energywatch pdq for further advice
and (b) tell the supply company that you don't want to change your
tariff to E7, and also tell them that you're asking energywatch for
further advice!

Energywatch may be more than a little interested if they think that the
supply company is up to sharp practice, and the supply companies don't
like appearing in the energywatch list of complaints!

glenn wrote:


thought it was 2.00 am till 8.00 a.m.


I was on economy 7 until a couple of years ago, i think it has a 1 hour
boost at some time in the afternoon.

.... but that's nothing to do with the cost of the electricity.

All the Economy 7 tariffs I've seen simply change the price of your
electricity for a period overnight, it's cheaper from about 00:30 to
07:30 but the times can be variable due to innaccuracies in the clock
settings and to BST/GMT changes.

The time clock (if any) which controls your storage heaters is quite
independent of the Economy 7 settings, it will usually heat up the storage
heaters in the later part of the Economy 7 cheap period. If it has a
'boost' period in the late afternoon or evening that electricity will
cost the full day time price.

Systems where the storage heaters are independently wired to an entirely
separate meter are quite different and I'm not even sure if there are
such systems around now.

--
Chris Green )

In article , dave
writes
Phew! Many thanks for the warning. Yes our heaters are indeed wired to a
completly separate meter and timer from the rest of the house. Due to their
(two) failed attepts at changing the meter hopefully this will give me time to
contact (a) and (b) and see what's going on.

My father is on a similar tariff to yourself, E7 is just *7* hours of cheap elec
*overnight* and very different, I can only support the energywatch complaint
comments made by others, and suggest you find yourself too busy to
accept another appointment for another fitting in the meantime ;-)
--
fred

In article ,
says...

Systems where the storage heaters are independently wired to an entirely
separate meter are quite different and I'm not even sure if there are
such systems around now.

I used to live in a flat built in 1991 and it had a radio signal
controlled meter with two outputs - One ou put was live all the time,
the other was only live during the E7 overnight period. These outputs
were taken to a split CU with the storage heaters and immersion heater
fed from the switched meter feed and the rest ofthe flat from the
unswitched feed.

Peter

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glenn wrote:


thought it was 2.00 am till 8.00 a.m.


I was on economy 7 until a couple of years ago, i think it has a 1 hour
boost at some time in the afternoon.

... but that's nothing to do with the cost of the electricity.

All the Economy 7 tariffs I've seen simply change the price of your
electricity for a period overnight, it's cheaper from about 00:30 to
07:30 but the times can be variable due to innaccuracies in the clock
settings and to BST/GMT changes.

The time clock (if any) which controls your storage heaters is quite
independent of the Economy 7 settings,

This is wrong. In a properly set up system, the time clock that
switches the meter between over the High/Low tariffs is the same
one that is used to turn the heaters on. Of course you can set it up
wrongly with two clock if you like.
Tariffs that have an afternoon boost are not E7 and it could be that
this boost is provided at the normal rate.

Tim



it will usually heat up the storage
heaters in the later part of the Economy 7 cheap period. If it has a
'boost' period in the late afternoon or evening that electricity will
cost the full day time price.

Systems where the storage heaters are independently wired to an entirely
separate meter are quite different and I'm not even sure if there are
such systems around now.

--
Chris Green )