[Tim Lamb[_2_]]

Now that the block paving project is nearing completion (road entrance
to be excavated and re-concreted) management attention has moved to the
idea of installing a *water feature*!

Google offers a plethora but this is d-i-y and we already have an
imitation terracotta water butt which meets artistic approval so...

Any thoughts?

Some things are obvious:-

The pump head will need to overcome the lift height with a bit
spare for flow.

When the pump stops, all the water in the system will gravitate
to the sump. Thus huge sump, big variation in water level or take up
space in water butt with something. Perhaps water:-)

Solar powered + battery/mains back up sounds nice but may have non
obvious issues.

Algae formation??

Frost? Drain down provision?

Dribbling water down the side of a glass fibre terracotta container may
not prove very exciting.

regards
--
Tim Lamb

[Jim K[_2_]]

On 16 July, 11:33, Owain wrote:
On 16 July, 11:06, Tim Lamb wrote:

Now that the block paving project is nearing completion (road entrance
to be excavated and re-concreted) management attention has moved to the
idea of installing a *water feature*! ....
Dribbling water down the side of a glass fibre terracotta container may
not prove very exciting.

If you put a sump under your block paving project you could have your
entire driveway a water feature, with some nice LED uplights etc.

With a remote control in the house you could squirt doorstep salesmen.

Some strategically placed nozzles could also act as window or car
washers.

http://www.water-garden.co.uk/Water_...cing_water.php

http://www.aquabatics.co.uk/bespoke.htm

Alternatively Argos have £24 off a Boy and Girl Water Fountain in
Luxury Poly Resin.

Owain

does it come with a free "crying boy with unfeasibly large eyes"
print to hang in "pride of place" just above the Fing ornaments?

Jim K

[The Medway Handyman[_2_]]

Tim Lamb wrote:
Now that the block paving project is nearing completion (road entrance
to be excavated and re-concreted) management attention has moved to
the idea of installing a *water feature*!

Google offers a plethora but this is d-i-y and we already have an
imitation terracotta water butt which meets artistic approval so...

Any thoughts?

Have a look here http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/wat...tures-c-1.html

I install awnings for these guys. I can buy the awnings trade so maybe I
could get you a bit off.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

[Tim Lamb[_2_]]

In message Cy10o.241632$Hs4.40976@hurricane, The Medway Handyman
writes
Tim Lamb wrote:
Now that the block paving project is nearing completion (road entrance
to be excavated and re-concreted) management attention has moved to
the idea of installing a *water feature*!

Google offers a plethora but this is d-i-y and we already have an
imitation terracotta water butt which meets artistic approval so...

Any thoughts?

Have a look here http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/wat...tures-c-1.html

I install awnings for these guys. I can buy the awnings trade so maybe I
could get you a bit off.

I like the plastic milk churn. Very authentic:-) But discontinued.

It is very easy to spend lots of money!

I'm still pursuing the d-i-y ideas but thanks for the offer.

regards



--
Tim Lamb

[Tim Lamb[_2_]]

In message
,
Owain writes
On 16 July, 11:06, Tim Lamb wrote:
Now that the block paving project is nearing completion (road entrance
to be excavated and re-concreted) management attention has moved to the
idea of installing a *water feature*! ....
Dribbling water down the side of a glass fibre terracotta container may
not prove very exciting.

If you put a sump under your block paving project you could have your
entire driveway a water feature, with some nice LED uplights etc.

It is actually the yard where my father's dairy cows stood waiting to be
milked.

With a remote control in the house you could squirt doorstep salesmen.

:-)

Some strategically placed nozzles could also act as window or car
washers.

I am confident that s-i-l will find cleaning his car there irresistible.

http://www.water-garden.co.uk/Water_...cing_water.php

http://www.aquabatics.co.uk/bespoke.htm

Hmm.. bit trendy. I'm looking for the Victorian era mode.

Alternatively Argos have £24 off a Boy and Girl Water Fountain in
Luxury Poly Resin.

I did notice that the solar powered, battery back up jobs have a 1 hour
timed to off feature to protect the batteries from fully discharging.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

[The Natural Philosopher[_2_]]

Owain wrote:
On 16 July, 20:03, Tim Lamb wrote:
It is actually the yard where my father's dairy cows stood waiting to be
milked. ....
Hmm.. bit trendy. I'm looking for the Victorian era mode.

An eternally dribbling pump and barrel might be more the thing then.

http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/new...ml?cPath=1_160

Owain

how about an authentic two holer,. complete with newspaper, buckets and
flies?

Oh.. you wanted water as well. Hmm. dig a cess pit and plumb in a couple
of cisterns then.

I cant understand why people who love all things Victorian, never seem
to install Victorian toilets.

A coal fired cooking range, single glazing, zero insulation, and the odd
paraffin stove, Hurricane lamps and a bit of rotting lino to ensure
copious condensation would complete the experience I feel.

[geoff]

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
Now that the block paving project is nearing completion (road entrance
to be excavated and re-concreted) management attention has moved to the
idea of installing a *water feature*!

Just ask yourself "is it REALLY worth the bother and hassle I'm stacking
up for myself"

Yes, algae and freezing, clogging and failing

How much are you really going to appreciate it ?

If you're sure, go ahead, don't forget the work it'll take with
maintenance



Google offers a plethora but this is d-i-y and we already have an
imitation terracotta water butt which meets artistic approval so...

Any thoughts?

Some things are obvious:-

The pump head will need to overcome the lift height with a bit
spare for flow.

When the pump stops, all the water in the system will gravitate
to the sump. Thus huge sump, big variation in water level or take up
space in water butt with something. Perhaps water:-)

Solar powered + battery/mains back up sounds nice but may have non
obvious issues.

Algae formation??

Frost? Drain down provision?

Dribbling water down the side of a glass fibre terracotta container may
not prove very exciting.

regards

--
geoff

[Adam Aglionby]

On 16 July, 11:06, Tim Lamb wrote:
Now that the block paving project is nearing completion (road entrance
to be excavated and re-concreted) management attention has moved to the
idea of installing a *water feature*!

Google offers a plethora but this is d-i-y and we already have an
imitation terracotta water butt which meets artistic approval so...

Any thoughts?

Some things are obvious:-

* * * * The pump head will need to overcome the lift height with a bit
spare for flow.

* * * * When the pump stops, all the water in the system will gravitate
to the sump. Thus huge sump, big variation in water level or take up
space in water butt with something. Perhaps water:-)

Solar powered + battery/mains back up sounds nice but may have non
obvious issues.

Algae formation??

Frost? Drain down provision?

Dribbling water down the side of a glass fibre terracotta container may
not prove very exciting.

regards
--
Tim Lamb

Water feature can be very satisfying and worth the fairly minimal
maitenance.

Do want look or look and sound?

Waterfalls at any drop into plastic, sound like a plastic bucket
filling....

Fountains into a pool make a great sound, but need some unobstructed
depth to the pool.

Dissapearing into gravel is popular, can do fountains , urns or even a
stream that dissapears into gravel if it suits the hard landscaping
better.

http://www.exoticwaterscapes.com/pon...waterfalls.php

Jumping jets alrady been mentioned, and they go well into gravel
catchers, Oase make some reasonable cost ones but its DIY

http://laminar.forumotion.com/forum.htm

Cheers
Adam

[Tim Lamb[_2_]]

In message
,
Owain writes
On 16 July, 20:03, Tim Lamb wrote:
It is actually the yard where my father's dairy cows stood waiting to be
milked. ....
Hmm.. bit trendy. I'm looking for the Victorian era mode.

An eternally dribbling pump and barrel might be more the thing then.

http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/new...-barrel-water-
feature-p-1548.html?cPath=1_160

Yes. I found that. My price as well.

Unfortunately it didn't come up to managerial expectations.

A friend has put the word *gurgle* in her mind!

regards

--
Tim Lamb

[Tim Lamb[_2_]]

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
Owain wrote:
On 16 July, 20:03, Tim Lamb wrote:
It is actually the yard where my father's dairy cows stood waiting to be
milked. ....
Hmm.. bit trendy. I'm looking for the Victorian era mode.
An eternally dribbling pump and barrel might be more the thing then.

http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/new...n-barrel-water
-feature-p-1548.html?cPath=1_160
Owain

how about an authentic two holer,. complete with newspaper, buckets and
flies?

Oh.. you wanted water as well. Hmm. dig a cess pit and plumb in a
couple of cisterns then.

Mains drainage since 1975 but, in this drought, you can see the weeper
pipe routes under the lawn from the old dairy waste system.

I cant understand why people who love all things Victorian, never seem
to install Victorian toilets.

A coal fired cooking range, single glazing, zero insulation, and the
odd paraffin stove, Hurricane lamps and a bit of rotting lino to ensure
copious condensation would complete the experience I feel.

The previous tenants to my father took in washing and he *inherited* two
solid fuel boilers; a bit like engineered missionary cooking pots.

Part of my youth was Friday night stoking the boiler cooking beetroot
for sale the following day.

One of those would make a really serious *gurgle*:-)

regards

--
Tim Lamb

[Tim Lamb[_2_]]

In message , geoff
writes
In message , Tim Lamb
writes
Now that the block paving project is nearing completion (road entrance
to be excavated and re-concreted) management attention has moved to the
idea of installing a *water feature*!

Just ask yourself "is it REALLY worth the bother and hassle I'm
stacking up for myself"

Umm.. Happy relationships are a mutual exchange system with unwritten
rules. As I wish to continue being well fed as certain effort is
necessary. Sometimes it is better to fail visibly than attempt reasoned
persuasion.

Yes, algae and freezing, clogging and failing

How much are you really going to appreciate it ?

Me? Not at all. Something simple which trickles top up water to the
existing main pond when the sun shines would be fine. Unfortunately that
is functional and not artistic.

If you're sure, go ahead, don't forget the work it'll take with
maintenance

Or fight a rear-guard action? The plan so far is to check the depth of
existing obstructive underground pipe runs, lay in a cable duct while it
is easy and send her off on a tour of outlets; hoping the idea will
wither:-)

regards



--
Tim Lamb

[Pete Verdon]

Tim Lamb wrote:
The Medway Handyman writes

Have a look here http://www.primrose-london.co.uk/wat...tures-c-1.html

I like the plastic milk churn. Very authentic:-)

My eye was taken by the plastic meerkat. I'm sure having that stood in
the middle of my lawn would really make the place look nice.

Pete

[Tim Lamb[_2_]]

In message
,
Adam Aglionby writes
On 16 July, 11:06, Tim Lamb wrote:
Now that the block paving project is nearing completion (road entrance
to be excavated and re-concreted) management attention has moved to the
idea of installing a *water feature*!

Google offers a plethora but this is d-i-y and we already have an
imitation terracotta water butt which meets artistic approval so...

Any thoughts?

Some things are obvious:-

* * * * The pump head will need to overcome the lift height with a bit
spare for flow.

* * * * When the pump stops, all the water in the system will gravitate
to the sump. Thus huge sump, big variation in water level or take up
space in water butt with something. Perhaps water:-)

Solar powered + battery/mains back up sounds nice but may have non
obvious issues.

Algae formation??

Frost? Drain down provision?

Dribbling water down the side of a glass fibre terracotta container may
not prove very exciting.

regards
--
Tim Lamb

Water feature can be very satisfying and worth the fairly minimal
maitenance.

Do want look or look and sound?

Just look. Sound would be incidental. Rather than pave the whole yard, I
have retained a rectangular area around 3mx4m which I have been *told*
to fill with blue slate chippings. The *Victorian bucket and pump* would
suit the location but have fallen short of ambition elsewhere.

Waterfalls at any drop into plastic, sound like a plastic bucket
filling....

Fountains into a pool make a great sound, but need some unobstructed
depth to the pool.

Dissapearing into gravel is popular, can do fountains , urns or even a
stream that dissapears into gravel if it suits the hard landscaping
better.

http://www.exoticwaterscapes.com/pon...waterfalls.php

Really serious stuff!

Jumping jets alrady been mentioned, and they go well into gravel
catchers, Oase make some reasonable cost ones but its DIY

http://laminar.forumotion.com/forum.htm

OK Lots to follow up. I may try to get away with laying in provision for
some future feature once we find out how the new space is used.

regards
--
Tim Lamb