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Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs
materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. |
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"John" wrote in message ... Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. Cheaper than advertising, possibly? Si |
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On 25/05/2010 21:01, John wrote:
Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible Well, that would be a lie, wouldn't it. and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. And that's just stating how business works. |
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John wrote:
Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! Seriously have you tried it? I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. Why, the suppliers get some very good advertising from it - besides, you only see the ones that agree, there may be many refusals before they get "a bite". I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible Now the suppliers would be telling porkies if they did that - as on most of their stuff the 'mark-up' is around 30-40% of the wholesale price (and that's without what they can charge for delivery) - and if they're in the restaurant business, then that mark-up is more like 60% plus. and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. Now you are showing your naivety, the only thing that customers are subsiding is the owners, holidays and pension funds - and that's what he's in the business and taking the risks for anyway. I would suggest that the 'little green man' inside you is showing a little. Now if you were running a business of your own, and using these suppliers yourself, I would lay odds that if you gave them enough custom over a period of time, then they WOULD give you the odd freebie or six, particularly around Xmas time. LOL Woodworm |
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Woodworm wrote :
John wrote: Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! Seriously have you tried it? I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. Why, the suppliers get some very good advertising from it - besides, you only see the ones that agree, there may be many refusals before they get "a bite". I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible Now the suppliers would be telling porkies if they did that - as on most of their stuff the 'mark-up' is around 30-40% of the wholesale price (and that's without what they can charge for delivery) - and if they're in the restaurant business, then that mark-up is more like 60% plus. and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. Now you are showing your naivety, the only thing that customers are subsiding is the owners, holidays and pension funds - and that's what he's in the business and taking the risks for anyway. I would suggest that the 'little green man' inside you is showing a little. Now if you were running a business of your own, and using these suppliers yourself, I would lay odds that if you gave them enough custom over a period of time, then they WOULD give you the odd freebie or six, particularly around Xmas time. LOL Woodworm I once (only the once) blagged (if that is the right word) a free van hire for a weekend for a not for profit event. The first company I rang, to my complete amazement, agreed to it. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:37:02 +0100, "Woodworm"
wrote: Now the suppliers would be telling porkies if they did that - as on most of their stuff the 'mark-up' is around 30-40% of the wholesale price (and that's without what they can charge for delivery) - and if they're in the restaurant business, then that mark-up is more like 60% plus. Restaurants usually charge a multiple of the cost of ingredients, typically four or five times. But that has to pay for all their overheads, including rent and rates, staff wages, electricity and gas, water, ... It is not a highly profitable business, and the risk of going bust is very high indeed. Lots of people think it's easy, have a go and fail. |
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"Bruce" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:37:02 +0100, "Woodworm" wrote: Now the suppliers would be telling porkies if they did that - as on most of their stuff the 'mark-up' is around 30-40% of the wholesale price (and that's without what they can charge for delivery) - and if they're in the restaurant business, then that mark-up is more like 60% plus. Restaurants usually charge a multiple of the cost of ingredients, typically four or five times. But that has to pay for all their overheads, including rent and rates, staff wages, electricity and gas, water, ... It is not a highly profitable business, and the risk of going bust is very high indeed. Lots of people think it's easy, have a go and fail. .....and the food wastage which is probably considerable. If it is an Indian restaurant then another will open up a few doors away to pinch some of your business............. |
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"Woodworm" wrote:
Now the suppliers would be telling porkies if they did that - as on most of their stuff the 'mark-up' is around 30-40% of the wholesale price (and that's without what they can charge for delivery) - and if they're in the restaurant business, then that mark-up is more like 60% plus. There was a programme last week about the ubiquity of the shipping container now for nearly all goods. Interviewed was a raincoat maker from Manchester, which was the World leader in raincoat manufacture until the 70's. Retailers then would buy in at £10, then sell to the public at £20. This manufacturer said they now buy in from China at £10, and sell for £130. That is why a 50% off sale is still making a profit for the clothes sellers. It is cheaper to ship the goods from China to Felixstow, than it is to truck them from Felixstowe to Manchester. Alan. -- To reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'. |
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On 25 May, 21:01, "John" wrote:
Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. Its fake (like most TV) and agreed by researchers before Melinda goes in. One retailer gave the game away the other week, by saying "I hadn't planned to give you that one ..." So I think researchers first, then Melinda pushes them a bit. The understanding is the free advertising. Simon. |
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In article ,
"John" writes: "Bruce" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:37:02 +0100, "Woodworm" wrote: Now the suppliers would be telling porkies if they did that - as on most of their stuff the 'mark-up' is around 30-40% of the wholesale price (and that's without what they can charge for delivery) - and if they're in the restaurant business, then that mark-up is more like 60% plus. Restaurants usually charge a multiple of the cost of ingredients, typically four or five times. But that has to pay for all their overheads, including rent and rates, staff wages, electricity and gas, water, ... It is not a highly profitable business, and the risk of going bust is very high indeed. Lots of people think it's easy, have a go and fail. ....and the food wastage which is probably considerable. If it is an Indian restaurant then another will open up a few doors away to pinch some of your business............. Wages is the largest part for many resurants, and the wages required to handle the increasing levels of red tape (anti-money laundering measures, etc) has escalated enormously over the last 10 years and bites heavily into the smaller businesses in particular. A friend packed his in because of this - red tape took up more and more time, until he had no leasure time left and not enough time to actually run the business. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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"sm_jamieson" wrote in message ... On 25 May, 21:01, "John" wrote: Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. Its fake (like most TV) and agreed by researchers before Melinda goes in. One retailer gave the game away the other week, by saying "I hadn't planned to give you that one ..." So I think researchers first, then Melinda pushes them a bit. The understanding is the free advertising. Simon. I don't think the advertising is very effective as it isn't obvious who the supplier is (unless I miss it in the credits) - in any case, the fact they can give stuff away would turn me against them - unless they also give me something for free. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , "John" writes: "Bruce" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:37:02 +0100, "Woodworm" wrote: Now the suppliers would be telling porkies if they did that - as on most of their stuff the 'mark-up' is around 30-40% of the wholesale price (and that's without what they can charge for delivery) - and if they're in the restaurant business, then that mark-up is more like 60% plus. Restaurants usually charge a multiple of the cost of ingredients, typically four or five times. But that has to pay for all their overheads, including rent and rates, staff wages, electricity and gas, water, ... It is not a highly profitable business, and the risk of going bust is very high indeed. Lots of people think it's easy, have a go and fail. ....and the food wastage which is probably considerable. If it is an Indian restaurant then another will open up a few doors away to pinch some of your business............. Wages is the largest part for many resurants, and the wages required to handle the increasing levels of red tape (anti-money laundering measures, etc) has escalated enormously over the last 10 years and bites heavily into the smaller businesses in particular. A friend packed his in because of this - red tape took up more and more time, until he had no leasure time left and not enough time to actually run the business. Yep. This may now change: the Labour view of the world is it has two sorts of people - deserving workers and large exploitative bosses, and red tape is a way to keep the latter in check. For small businesses nothing is further from the truth. Labour has kept a class war going that wasn't even relevant by 1960.. |
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Woodworm wrote:
John wrote: Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! Seriously have you tried it? I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. Why, the suppliers get some very good advertising from it - besides, you only see the ones that agree, there may be many refusals before they get "a bite". I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible Now the suppliers would be telling porkies if they did that - as on most of their stuff the 'mark-up' is around 30-40% of the wholesale price (and that's without what they can charge for delivery) - and if they're in the restaurant business, then that mark-up is more like 60% plus. My wife's a VAT Assurance Officer and is forever complaining at the prices of stuff because she knows just how much markup is being put on :-) Two quick examples (not DIY related but you'll get the point): 1. Opticians and spectacle frames - most frames are bought in for a fiver or less, _including_ the 'designer' ones such as D&G, DKNY etc (IIRC as she's not here at the mo to confirm). 2. Pubs. We were in a pub recently where they were selling Westons "Traditional Scrumpy" cider (6.0%) at FOUR QUID a pint! Now, we happen to really like this and buy it ourselves direct from Westons. The cost of a 20-litre box (that's 35.2 pints) is £41.55 plus £7 delivery, all including VAT. If I've got the sums right, that's about £1.37 a pint. And, the pub will get even more discount for bulk buying. |
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On 25 May, 21:01, "John" wrote:
Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. The whole programme is annoying. A family "abandoned" by their builder, with no explanation of why the builder left the site and only the punter's side of the story. An extension/loft conversion that is sometimes badly built, but mostly just part finished ("dangerous") and first-fixed ("dangerous, look at those wires hanging out"). Then there's the set piece of Melinda's pet builder sucking his teeth when asked to do more than he has, allegedly, been paid to do, and the faked blagging from shops. Not to mention the East End bloke doing the full stalking-and-leaping-out-of-a-cupboard-with-a-microphone routine at the slightest excuse. I used to watch it, but nowadays it mostly clashes with Challenge Tommy Walsh, which is, of course, unmissable. Cheers Richard |
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On May 26, 11:49*am, "John" wrote:
Woodworm wrote: John wrote: Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! Seriously have you tried it? I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. Why, the suppliers get some very good advertising from it - besides, you only see the ones that agree, there may be many refusals before they get "a bite". I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible Now the suppliers would be telling porkies if they did that - as on most of their stuff the 'mark-up' is around 30-40% of the wholesale price (and that's without what they can charge for delivery) - and if they're in the restaurant business, then that mark-up is more like 60% plus. My wife's a VAT Assurance Officer and is forever complaining at the prices of stuff because she knows just how much markup is being put on *:-) Two quick examples (not DIY related but you'll get the point): 1. Opticians and spectacle frames - most frames are bought in for a fiver or less, _including_ the 'designer' ones such as D&G, DKNY etc (IIRC as she's not here at the mo to confirm). 2. Pubs. We were in a pub recently where they were selling Westons "Traditional Scrumpy" cider (6.0%) at FOUR QUID a pint! Now, we happen to really like this and buy it ourselves direct from Westons. The cost of a 20-litre box (that's 35.2 pints) is £41.55 plus £7 delivery, all including VAT. If I've got the sums right, that's about £1.37 a pint. And, the pub will get even more discount for bulk buying. How do you think the pubs overheads compare with your overheads? How many domestic staff do you employ for starters? How much do you pay your accountant? How much does your bank charge you each time you sell yourself a pint? etc, etc, etc,... If you don't like the pub prices then don't go to the pub. MBQ |
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On 26 May, 13:51, geraldthehamster wrote:
On 25 May, 21:01, "John" wrote: Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. The whole programme is annoying. A family "abandoned" by their builder, with no explanation of why the builder left the site and only the punter's side of the story. An extension/loft conversion that is sometimes badly built, but mostly just part finished ("dangerous") and first-fixed ("dangerous, look at those wires hanging out"). Then there's the set piece of Melinda's pet builder sucking his teeth when asked to do more than he has, allegedly, been paid to do, and the faked blagging from shops. Not to mention the East End bloke doing the full stalking-and-leaping-out-of-a-cupboard-with-a-microphone routine at the slightest excuse. I used to watch it, but nowadays it mostly clashes with Challenge Tommy Walsh, which is, of course, unmissable. Cheers Richard Whats the Tommy Walsh programme like ? On what channel ? I only have freeview at the moment. I remember spending an entire bank holiday once watching a US series on Sky where they renovated a huge house (well, probably a "normal" US house) complete with big pillars out the front. I "did" all the episodes back to back much like the posh folk "do" Wagner's Ring Cycle ! With a glass of Pimms ;-) Simon. |
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Owain wrote:
On 26 May, 15:19, "John" wrote: If we didn't pay any taxes where would the money for hospitals, roads, schools etc., etc. come from? We all have to pay taxes, like it or not. Given all the taxes we pay, why isn't there enough money for hospitals, roads, schools etc? You, me and about 60 million others would like to know the answer to that one :o) Unless, of course, you take into consideration that all politicians are cheating, lying scumbags out to line their own pockets. |
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Huge wrote:
On 2010-05-26, John wrote: Owain wrote: On 26 May, 15:19, "John" wrote: If we didn't pay any taxes where would the money for hospitals, roads, schools etc., etc. come from? We all have to pay taxes, like it or not. Given all the taxes we pay, why isn't there enough money for hospitals, roads, schools etc? You, me and about 60 million others would like to know the answer to that one :o) Unless, of course, you take into consideration that all politicians are cheating, lying scumbags out to line their own pockets. Phew. You are on the right wavelength, after all. Of course!! :o) |
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"Man at B&Q" wrote in message ... On May 26, 11:49 am, "John" wrote: Woodworm wrote: John wrote: 1. Opticians and spectacle frames - most frames are bought in for a fiver or less, _including_ the 'designer' ones such as D&G, DKNY etc (IIRC as she's not here at the mo to confirm). 2. Pubs. We were in a pub recently where they were selling Westons "Traditional Scrumpy" cider (6.0%) at FOUR QUID a pint! Now, we happen to really like this and buy it ourselves direct from Westons. The cost of a 20-litre box (that's 35.2 pints) is £41.55 plus £7 delivery, all including VAT. If I've got the sums right, that's about £1.37 a pint. And, the pub will get even more discount for bulk buying. }How do you think the pubs overheads compare with your overheads? How }many domestic staff do you employ for starters? How much do you pay }your accountant? How much does your bank charge you each time you sell }yourself a pint? etc, etc, etc,... }If you don't like the pub prices then don't go to the pub. That seems to be what's happening in my area East London, lots of pubs have closed down over the last few years. It is far cheaper to buy booze at the supermarket, and pubs are usually controlled by the brewery who seem to think increasing prices brings in more profit. Sometimes it's area and culture. One local pub to me started specialising in fine wines and spirits to get the punters in, but the aera has become more and more muslim over the years and they tend not to spend much time in pubs. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot" saying something like: Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. Cheaper than advertising, possibly? I've noticed that many of the freeby donors don't get much of a mention, if any at all. |
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On 26 May, 17:55, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote: We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot" saying something like: Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. Cheaper than advertising, possibly? I've noticed that many of the freeby donors don't get much of a mention, if any at all. the shameless lure of "gettin on the telly" maybe? JimK |
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On 26 May, 14:46, sm_jamieson wrote:
On 26 May, 13:51, geraldthehamster wrote: On 25 May, 21:01, "John" wrote: Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. The whole programme is annoying. A family "abandoned" by their builder, with no explanation of why the builder left the site and only the punter's side of the story. An extension/loft conversion that is sometimes badly built, but mostly just part finished ("dangerous") and first-fixed ("dangerous, look at those wires hanging out"). Then there's the set piece of Melinda's pet builder sucking his teeth when asked to do more than he has, allegedly, been paid to do, and the faked blagging from shops. Not to mention the East End bloke doing the full stalking-and-leaping-out-of-a-cupboard-with-a-microphone routine at the slightest excuse. I used to watch it, but nowadays it mostly clashes with Challenge Tommy Walsh, which is, of course, unmissable. Cheers Richard Whats the Tommy Walsh programme like ? On what channel ? I only have freeview at the moment. Challenge Tommy Walsh is on Quest (Freeview 38) most evenings. They're probably old repeats, but I find them interesting, because unlike almost every other housey programme, they actually show you how to do stuff. Cheers Richard |
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geraldthehamster wrote:
Challenge Tommy Walsh is on Quest (Freeview 38) most evenings. They're probably old repeats, but I find them interesting, because unlike almost every other housey programme, they actually show you how to do stuff. Yes, not a lot, but a lot better. |
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"geraldthehamster" wrote in message ... On 26 May, 14:46, sm_jamieson wrote: On 26 May, 13:51, geraldthehamster wrote: On 25 May, 21:01, "John" wrote: Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. The whole programme is annoying. A family "abandoned" by their builder, with no explanation of why the builder left the site and only the punter's side of the story. An extension/loft conversion that is sometimes badly built, but mostly just part finished ("dangerous") and first-fixed ("dangerous, look at those wires hanging out"). Then there's the set piece of Melinda's pet builder sucking his teeth when asked to do more than he has, allegedly, been paid to do, and the faked blagging from shops. Not to mention the East End bloke doing the full stalking-and-leaping-out-of-a-cupboard-with-a-microphone routine at the slightest excuse. I used to watch it, but nowadays it mostly clashes with Challenge Tommy Walsh, which is, of course, unmissable. Cheers Richard Whats the Tommy Walsh programme like ? On what channel ? I only have freeview at the moment. Challenge Tommy Walsh is on Quest (Freeview 38) most evenings. They're probably old repeats, but I find them interesting, because unlike almost every other housey programme, they actually show you how to do stuff. Cheers Richard But do the owners return and keep saying "Oh my God" |
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"Owain" wrote in message ... On 26 May, 13:51, geraldthehamster wrote: ... Then there's the set piece of Melinda's pet builder sucking his teeth when asked to do more than he has, allegedly, been paid to do, and the faked blagging from shops. And the other set piece of Melinda pretending to knock down a wall with a hammer you wouldn't give away with blue bird toffee Owain She has pretend tits. So a 0/10 on my score Adam |
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On 26 May, 23:09, "John" wrote:
Challenge Tommy Walsh is on Quest (Freeview 38) most evenings. They're probably old repeats, but I find them interesting, because unlike almost every other housey programme, they actually show you how to do stuff. Cheers Richard But do the owners return and keep saying "Oh my God"- Hide quoted text - The owner is usually there mucking in. Cheers Richard |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember JimK saying something like: I've noticed that many of the freeby donors don't get much of a mention, if any at all. the shameless lure of "gettin on the telly" maybe? Fifteen seconds of fame. |
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"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message ... We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember JimK saying something like: I've noticed that many of the freeby donors don't get much of a mention, if any at all. the shameless lure of "gettin on the telly" maybe? Fifteen seconds of fame. Might be a blow job. Adam |
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot" saying something like: Some good bits in the programme - but annoying when Melinda goes and begs materials and services and get things free. If I was to try it......! I think it is an abuse of the 'power' of TV. I wish a retailer would tell them that their prices are as low as possible and if they were to give anything away then other customers would have to subsidise it or they would go out of business. Cheaper than advertising, possibly? I've noticed that many of the freeby donors don't get much of a mention, if any at all. I expect there is a huge difference between what the researcher promises & the editor produces. TV producers are only interested in ratings and are completely ruthless in achieving their goal. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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Huge wrote:
On 2010-05-26, John wrote: My wife's a VAT Assurance Officer and is forever complaining at the prices of stuff because she knows just how much markup is being put on :-) Two quick examples (not DIY related but you'll get the point): 1. Opticians and spectacle frames - most frames are bought in for a fiver or less, _including_ the 'designer' ones such as D&G, DKNY etc *All* so-called "designer" crap is a rip-off. It's all about charging what the market will bear. And fashion is a triumph of that - create a demand for something ephemeral and all about looks over substance, and then charge a premium price for it. I'm not sure "rip-off" is the word I'd use. They are exploiting a foible of human nature, and they don't have to lie about what they're providing. Is that ripping people off? To me it's immoral to take advantage of stupidity, but the bizarre truth is that many people seem to like being taken advantage of in this way. "Some of them want to use you, some of them want to be used by you." |
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John wrote:
At least you have the choice, unlike when HMRC are stealing your money. If we didn't pay any taxes where would the money for hospitals, roads, schools etc., etc. come from? We all have to pay taxes, like it or not. Too much sense! |
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John wrote:
Owain wrote: On 26 May, 15:19, "John" wrote: If we didn't pay any taxes where would the money for hospitals, roads, schools etc., etc. come from? We all have to pay taxes, like it or not. Given all the taxes we pay, why isn't there enough money for hospitals, roads, schools etc? You, me and about 60 million others would like to know the answer to that one :o) Unless, of course, you take into consideration that all politicians are cheating, lying scumbags out to line their own pockets. The politicians are just like us, on average. |
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Huge wrote:
Why aren't you prepared to extend the same rights to taxpayers as to consumers instead of spouting the arrant tosh that "We all have to pay taxes"? You can always choose to live in a country where people don't pay taxes. Like the Congo, or Somalia. |
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Gib Bogle wrote:
"Some of them want to use you, some of them want to be used by you." s/use/abuse/g |
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sm_jamieson wrote:
I remember spending an entire bank holiday once watching a US series on Sky where they renovated a huge house (well, probably a "normal" US house) complete with big pillars out the front. I "did" all the episodes back to back much like the posh folk "do" Wagner's Ring Cycle ! With a glass of Pimms ;-) Simon. I used to watch This Old House when I lived in the US. |
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Andy Burns wrote:
Gib Bogle wrote: "Some of them want to use you, some of them want to be used by you." s/use/abuse/g Both versions occur in the song. |
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Gib Bogle wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: Gib Bogle wrote: "Some of them want to use you, some of them want to be used by you." s/use/abuse/g Both versions occur in the song. Well, near enough ... "some of them want to GET used by you" |
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Gib Bogle wrote:
John wrote: At least you have the choice, unlike when HMRC are stealing your money. If we didn't pay any taxes where would the money for hospitals, roads, schools etc., etc. come from? We all have to pay taxes, like it or not. Too much sense! If we didnt pay taxes, we could simply pay for all the above ourselves, minus the extra commission the government takes for acting as a middle man. For all but the dole bound, it would be a net saving. |
Cowboy Builders (TV - Channel 5)
On Wed, 26 May 2010 17:55:01 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
I've noticed that many of the freeby donors don't get much of a mention, if any at all. I bet you see an outside shot of the shop... and after transmission there will be posters in the window "as seen on...". The benefit to the shop owner isn't with the whole national TV audience but the locals. -- Cheers Dave. |
Cowboy Builders (TV - Channel 5)
"Gib Bogle" wrote in message ... John wrote: Owain wrote: On 26 May, 15:19, "John" wrote: If we didn't pay any taxes where would the money for hospitals, roads, schools etc., etc. come from? We all have to pay taxes, like it or not. Given all the taxes we pay, why isn't there enough money for hospitals, roads, schools etc? You, me and about 60 million others would like to know the answer to that one :o) Unless, of course, you take into consideration that all politicians are cheating, lying scumbags out to line their own pockets. The politicians are just like us, on average. Not much like me on average ;-) |
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