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"Roger" wrote in message k... The message from "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk contains these words: It takes less far less keystokes on google to get it all that the tripe you typed here. In other words, you cannot provide any documentary evidence to support your claims. I think you may have underestimated Dribble. It is not that he can't provide any evidence - the chances are that it would be the easiest thing in the world to provide the link to his source - it is just that he would rather leave the source a mystery than expose the gap between his claims and the reality, which may be no more than a sales brochure for a novel pumped storage scheme. It sounds to me like a theoretical exercise by an academic with no practical experience, much like the insolation calculations a couple of years ago, by a member the Cavendish laboratory, that treated the Earth as a black body and showed it couldn't possibly be warming. Actually, I have found some work being done by one university (not Cambridge) on the environmental impact of a number of estuary barrier schemes in the Irish Sea. Between them they would significantly increase the global capacity of tidal generation, but on nothing like the scale he claims. At best, they would provide power for much of NE England, but they aare barrier schemes, not lagoons. I have also found some interesting work being done on multi-pond lagoons, proposed as pumped storage schemes to overcome some of the disadvantages of wind generation. What I have been completely unable to find is anything to support his claims. Colin Bignell |
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"nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... ... So, post your sources and let's look at the figures. .... Cambridge feel confident. Do a Google. It is you making the claims. It is up to you to provide the sources you are relying upon, not for me to call up every possible link to anything to do with the subject. You say you were in to Oceanography, then you would look, instead of trying to make out you know it all. Things have moved on in 40 years, as they don't drop weights in baths any more. Suggesting that I trawl through everything on the internet It takes less far less keystokes on google to get it all that the tripe you typed here. In other words, you cannot provide any documentary evidence to support your claims. Colin Bignell No. You can't use Google. |
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"Roger" wrote in message k... The message from "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk contains these words: It takes less far less keystokes on google to get it all that the tripe you typed here. In other words, you cannot provide any documentary evidence to support your claims. I think you may have This one needs tagging. |
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"nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... Actually, I have found some work being done by one university (not Cambridge) on the environmental impact of a number of estuary barrier schemes in the Irish Sea. Between them they would significantly increase the global capacity of tidal generation, but on nothing like the scale he claims. That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is. |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... Actually, I have found some work being done by one university (not Cambridge) on the environmental impact of a number of estuary barrier schemes in the Irish Sea. Between them they would significantly increase the global capacity of tidal generation, but on nothing like the scale he claims. That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is. No. It indicates that nobody is investigating their use in the Irish Sea, except in the form I mentioned in the bit you snipped. Colin Bignell |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... ... So, post your sources and let's look at the figures. .... Cambridge feel confident. Do a Google. It is you making the claims. It is up to you to provide the sources you are relying upon, not for me to call up every possible link to anything to do with the subject. You say you were in to Oceanography, then you would look, instead of trying to make out you know it all. Things have moved on in 40 years, as they don't drop weights in baths any more. Suggesting that I trawl through everything on the internet It takes less far less keystokes on google to get it all that the tripe you typed here. In other words, you cannot provide any documentary evidence to support your claims. Colin Bignell No. You can't use Google. I have posted elsewhere the only things that Google throws up that is in any way related to the subject matter, some of which is very interesting. However, that does not change the fact that if you consistently refuse to give your sources, the only reasonable conclusion is that you have none that will stand up to inspection. Colin Bignell |
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On May 26, 9:59*pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
"nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in messagenews:BomdnUpvBNCjg4HXnZ2dnUVZ8iednZ2d@gigan ews.com... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message om... I was specifically addressing DD's suggestion that the entire power supply for the UK could be derived from tidal power in the Irish Sea. It can. *Understand what a tidal lagoon is. I do and I also understand their limitations, which is why I question the claim. Those who know think differently. Those who *think* know differently. MBQ |
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from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words: That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is. As usual Dribble has dug himself a hole and instead of trying to justify his assertions he resorts to insults. I think we can safely assume that the evidence he has wouldn't stand up to even the most casual scrutiny. -- Roger Chapman |
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"Roger" wrote in message k... The message from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words: That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is. As usual This plantpot needs tagging. |
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"nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... Actually, I have found some work being done by one university (not Cambridge) on the environmental impact of a number of estuary barrier schemes in the Irish Sea. Between them they would significantly increase the global capacity of tidal generation, but on nothing like the scale he claims. That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is. No. Again..."That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is". |
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"nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... ... So, post your sources and let's look at the figures. .... Cambridge feel confident. Do a Google. It is you making the claims. It is up to you to provide the sources you are relying upon, not for me to call up every possible link to anything to do with the subject. You say you were in to Oceanography, then you would look, instead of trying to make out you know it all. Things have moved on in 40 years, as they don't drop weights in baths any more. Suggesting that I trawl through everything on the internet It takes less far less keystokes on google to get it all that the tripe you typed here. In other words, you cannot provide any documentary evidence to support your claims. Colin Bignell No. You can't use Google. I have posted elsewhere the only things that Google throws up that is in any way related to the subject matter, some of which is very interesting. However, that does not change the fact that if you consistently refuse to give your sources, You still can't use Google. |
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"Man at B&Q" wrote in message ... On May 26, 9:59 pm, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in messagenews:BomdnUpvBNCjg4HXnZ2dnUVZ8iednZ2d@gigan ews.com... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message om... I was specifically addressing DD's suggestion that the entire power supply for the UK could be derived from tidal power in the Irish Sea. It can. Understand what a tidal lagoon is. I do and I also understand their limitations, which is why I question the claim. Those who know think differently. Those who *think* know differently. Thant counts you out then. |
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writes The message from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words: That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is. As usual Dribble has dug himself a cess pit and instead of trying to justify his assertions he resorts to insults. -- geoff |
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 07:26:03 +0100, David Hansen wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2009 18:37:59 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote this:- You only have to read the post that started this thread to see that some, at least, actively promote that view. I did read it. I didn't notice anything in that post which said that oil would run out suddenly. Quote: We have 4 years from now, until there will not be enough energy for travelling, heating and the most important for food for everybody of us. Unquote. Admittedly it does not explicitly state that oil will have run out. However 'not be enough' does rather imply run out, IMHO. After that sentence I realized the OP was an alarmist and a sensationalist... -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... In message , Roger writes The message from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words: That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is. As usual Dribble has dug himself a cess pit Fantastic Maxie, only you could come out with that. Fantastic. Such panache. |
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 22:09:29 GMT someone who may be Ed Sirett
wrote this:- I did read it. I didn't notice anything in that post which said that oil would run out suddenly. Quote: We have 4 years from now, until there will not be enough energy for travelling, heating and the most important for food for everybody of us. Unquote. Admittedly it does not explicitly state that oil will have run out. Correct. However 'not be enough' does rather imply run out, IMHO. Incorrect. That does not imply that it has run out, only that there will not be enough. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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Ed Sirett wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2009 07:26:03 +0100, David Hansen wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 18:37:59 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote this:- You only have to read the post that started this thread to see that some, at least, actively promote that view. I did read it. I didn't notice anything in that post which said that oil would run out suddenly. Quote: We have 4 years from now, until there will not be enough energy for travelling, heating and the most important for food for everybody of us. Unquote. For most of the third world, that statement already applies. Admittedly it does not explicitly state that oil will have run out. However 'not be enough' does rather imply run out, IMHO. After that sentence I realized the OP was an alarmist and a sensationalist... Pretty much like the governments of the USA and UK then..;-) |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... Actually, I have found some work being done by one university (not Cambridge) on the environmental impact of a number of estuary barrier schemes in the Irish Sea. Between them they would significantly increase the global capacity of tidal generation, but on nothing like the scale he claims. That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is. No. Again..."That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is". As I have said before repeating something that is wrong does not make it become right. You know full well that you keep trimming off the bits that would give the lie to your claim. Colin Bignell |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... ... So, post your sources and let's look at the figures. .... Cambridge feel confident. Do a Google. It is you making the claims. It is up to you to provide the sources you are relying upon, not for me to call up every possible link to anything to do with the subject. You say you were in to Oceanography, then you would look, instead of trying to make out you know it all. Things have moved on in 40 years, as they don't drop weights in baths any more. Suggesting that I trawl through everything on the internet It takes less far less keystokes on google to get it all that the tripe you typed here. In other words, you cannot provide any documentary evidence to support your claims. Colin Bignell No. You can't use Google. I have posted elsewhere the only things that Google throws up that is in any way related to the subject matter, some of which is very interesting. However, that does not change the fact that if you consistently refuse to give your sources, You still can't use Google. So, if I find a large number of articles on subjects related to various combinations of tidal lagoons, Cambridge and the Irish Sea, but nothing to support your claims, rather than it being that the article does not exist, your argument is that I have suddenly forgotten how to use a search engine I have to know intimately as a selling tool. Occam's razor is against you on that. However, it would be easy to prove me wrong - simply post a link to it. Otherwise repeating that I can't use Google merely deserves a slight misquote of Mandy Rice-Davis; you would say that wouldn't you? Colin Bignell |
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On 29 May, 23:09, Ed Sirett wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2009 07:26:03 +0100, David Hansen wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 18:37:59 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote this:- You only have to read the post that started this thread to see that some, at least, actively promote that view. I did read it. I didn't notice anything in that post which said that oil would run out suddenly. Quote: *We have 4 years from now, until there will not be enough energy for travelling, heating and the most important for food for everybody of us. Unquote. Admittedly it does not explicitly state that oil will have run out. However 'not be enough' does rather imply run out, Not at all. The supply will not fall to zero. The the price will rise so that demand is reduced to matc hthe dimishing supply. that will be very painful. Eventually the oil price reach a point where it is more economic to grow oil producing crops instead of food. Robert |
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RobertL wrote:
On 29 May, 23:09, Ed Sirett wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009 07:26:03 +0100, David Hansen wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 18:37:59 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote this:- You only have to read the post that started this thread to see that some, at least, actively promote that view. I did read it. I didn't notice anything in that post which said that oil would run out suddenly. Quote: We have 4 years from now, until there will not be enough energy for travelling, heating and the most important for food for everybody of us. Unquote. Admittedly it does not explicitly state that oil will have run out. However 'not be enough' does rather imply run out, Not at all. The supply will not fall to zero. The the price will rise so that demand is reduced to matc hthe dimishing supply. that will be very painful. Eventually the oil price reach a point where it is more economic to grow oil producing crops instead of food. Er no..other factors kick in long before that! Like it being cheaper to synthesise oil from coal, or make it directly in some other way. Robert |
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On 30 May, 13:01, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: RobertL wrote: On 29 May, 23:09, Ed Sirett wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009 07:26:03 +0100, David Hansen wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 18:37:59 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote this:- You only have to read the post that started this thread to see that some, at least, actively promote that view. I did read it. I didn't notice anything in that post which said that oil would run out suddenly. Quote: *We have 4 years from now, until there will not be enough energy for travelling, heating and the most important for food for everybody of us. Unquote. Admittedly it does not explicitly state that oil will have run out. However 'not be enough' does rather imply run out, Not at all. *The supply will not fall to zero. * *The *the price will rise so that demand is reduced to matc hthe dimishing supply. *that will be very painful. Eventually the oil price reach a point where it is more economic to grow oil producing crops instead of food. Er no..other factors kick in long before that! Like it being cheaper to synthesise oil from coal, or make it directly in some other way. Really? I thought biodiesel was cheaper grow and refine than making oil by mining coal and making oil from it. But in any case the relevant question is not whether coal/oil is cheaper than bio/oil. The question is: is there more profit to be made from growing biodiesel than growing food. RoObert |
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RobertL wrote:
On 30 May, 13:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: RobertL wrote: On 29 May, 23:09, Ed Sirett wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009 07:26:03 +0100, David Hansen wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 18:37:59 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote this:- You only have to read the post that started this thread to see that some, at least, actively promote that view. I did read it. I didn't notice anything in that post which said that oil would run out suddenly. Quote: We have 4 years from now, until there will not be enough energy for travelling, heating and the most important for food for everybody of us. Unquote. Admittedly it does not explicitly state that oil will have run out. However 'not be enough' does rather imply run out, Not at all. The supply will not fall to zero. The the price will rise so that demand is reduced to matc hthe dimishing supply. that will be very painful. Eventually the oil price reach a point where it is more economic to grow oil producing crops instead of food. Er no..other factors kick in long before that! Like it being cheaper to synthesise oil from coal, or make it directly in some other way. Really? I thought biodiesel was cheaper grow and refine than making oil by mining coal and making oil from it. But in any case the relevant question is not whether coal/oil is cheaper than bio/oil. The question is: is there more profit to be made from growing biodiesel than growing food. Only if its subsidised. How much does a litre of rapeseed cost in the supermarket? Besides, there aint enough arable land.. RoObert |
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"RobertL" wrote in message ... Really? I thought biodiesel was cheaper grow and refine than making oil by mining coal and making oil from it. But in any case the relevant question is not whether coal/oil is cheaper than bio/oil. The question is: is there more profit to be made from growing biodiesel than growing food. A LIVERPOOL professor is sending a buzz around the world after he turned chip fat oil into biofuel - using a microwave. John Moores University professor Ahmed Al-Shamma is leading the world in pioneering new microwave technology which could help cut the world's CO² emissions. The scientist has been collecting old oil from chip shops, kebab houses and restaurants and using it to power his car. He is now confident that, by 2015, the people of Merseyside could be driving in cars powered by biofuel. The British Government and European community are so impressed with the work coming out of the small lab in Liverpool that they have given millions of pounds in funding. Prof Al-Shamma, head of RF and Microwave technology in the engineering research institute, said: "Everyone has heard of biofuel - it's not new, but using microwave technology is new. It brings all the benefits of sustainable fuel but without the negatives, the waste byproducts. And using microwave technology means one source can be used for multiple applications. "I have no doubt that, if the Government adapts a zero carbon approach, the people of Merseyside will be driving around in cars fuelled by biofuel." Prof Al-Shamma's team, which has drawn experts from across the globe, have found using microwaves so efficient, they are already testing the mileage they can get out of the car. So far, test runs on an X reg (10 years old) VW car have shown dramatic results which could lower the cost of fuel per litre to a mere 20p. Explaining the background to the project, Prof Al-Shamma said: "Traditional biofuel mixes crops, methanol and a catalyst for between four to eight hours - you end up with biofuel and a waste product, glycerin. "But there are huge negatives; the hunt for crops has meant many Third World countries have been paid more to grow biofuel crops than regular eating crops. "This has led to huge food shortages. "Also, the solvent used is very expensive and the process takes a long time."You end up with the biofuel but also have tonnes of glycerin. There's only so much soap that the world needs from glycerin, so the rest ends up in waste sites." He added: "This process is different; the raw material is everywhere, think of all the fast food outlets and restaurants. "At the moment, people have to pay to get rid of this and it ends up in waste sites or contaminating sewerage; this way, there could never be enough waste oil. "The solvent used is on a three to one ratio, reducing it by 10 fold, it requires 30 times less catalyst and the process takes a maximum of 15 minutes. "One litre of oil makes one litre of biofuel - like for like - with less glycerin, which we then use to make an additive to skim off the biofuel and start the recycling process." Nowhere else in the world is using this technology and his work has led to Prof Al-Shamma addressing European leaders in the EU Parliament. He added: "I think this will be the future because the big oil industry players are investing in biofuel." And Prof Al-Shamma's microwave technology doesn't only stop at vegetable oil. The university has been given £580,000 to turn grass into LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas). The university is hoping to take polluted, infertile grass and weeds from brownfield sites and break down the sugar to create bio-ethanol. http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/...2534-23704319/ |
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"nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... Actually, I have found some work being done by one university (not Cambridge) on the environmental impact of a number of estuary barrier schemes in the Irish Sea. Between them they would significantly increase the global capacity of tidal generation, but on nothing like the scale he claims. That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is. No. Again..."That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is". As I have said before repeating something Again..."That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is". |
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On Sat, 30 May 2009 04:30:41 -0700, RobertL wrote:
On 29 May, 23:09, Ed Sirett wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009 07:26:03 +0100, David Hansen wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 18:37:59 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote this:- You only have to read the post that started this thread to see that some, at least, actively promote that view. I did read it. I didn't notice anything in that post which said that oil would run out suddenly. Quote: Â*We have 4 years from now, until there will not be enough energy for travelling, heating and the most important for food for everybody of us. Unquote. Admittedly it does not explicitly state that oil will have run out. However 'not be enough' does rather imply run out, Not at all. The supply will not fall to zero. The the price will rise so that demand is reduced to matc hthe dimishing supply. that will be very painful. I don't think the changes will be as dramatic as the OP and some others have stated or implied. The supply falls the price goes up. There is pressure to adjust the situation on BOTH the supply and the demand sides to ease the situation. There are short medium and long term effects on both supply and demand: Short term: More cost conscious usage, less wastage. Stored reserves are sold. Medium term: Better appliances/vehicles are purchased, policy decisions to use less are made. OPEC countries increase output, output restarts from "mothballed" wells where the production economics are now favoured. Long term: Other sources of energy are chosen and developed. New reserves are drilled (there's a stack of oil around the UK at $150/ barrel) , tar sands, deeper off shore and other less economic sources are brought into operation. Other ways of producing oil are developed. The volatility of oil prices in recent years is more due to specific factors like wars, refining capacity and market stampedes/speculation than a genuine lack of supply (for the north of the world). The idea that the world will be in crisis in few years is plain nonsense, there are already enough crises anyway. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html |
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writes "RobertL" wrote in message ... Really? I thought biodiesel was cheaper grow and refine than making oil by mining coal and making oil from it. But in any case the relevant question is not whether coal/oil is cheaper than bio/oil. The question is: is there more profit to be made from growing biodiesel than growing food. A LIVERPOOL professor is sending a buzz around the world after he turned chip fat oil into biofuel - using a microwave. John Moores University professor Ahmed Al-Shamma is leading the world in pioneering new microwave technology which could help cut the world's CO² emissions. Now I know its going to be accurate and scientific ... And Prof Al-Shamma's microwave technology doesn't only stop at vegetable oil. The university has been given £580,000 to turn grass into LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas). The university is hoping to take polluted, infertile grass and weeds from brownfield sites and break down the sugar to create bio-ethanol. Stick it in a cow and collect the fart gas ... more dross from drivel, eh ? -- geoff |
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On 30 May, 21:16, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: RobertL wrote: On 30 May, 13:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: RobertL wrote: On 29 May, 23:09, Ed Sirett wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009 07:26:03 +0100, David Hansen wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 18:37:59 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote this:- You only have to read the post that started this thread to see that some, at least, actively promote that view. I did read it. I didn't notice anything in that post which said that oil would run out suddenly. Quote: *We have 4 years from now, until there will not be enough energy for travelling, heating and the most important for food for everybody of us. Unquote. Admittedly it does not explicitly state that oil will have run out. However 'not be enough' does rather imply run out, Not at all. *The supply will not fall to zero. * *The *the price will rise so that demand is reduced to matc hthe dimishing supply. *that will be very painful. Eventually the oil price reach a point where it is more economic to grow oil producing crops instead of food. Er no..other factors kick in long before that! Like it being cheaper to synthesise oil from coal, or make it directly in some other way. Really? *I thought biodiesel was cheaper grow and refine than *making oil by mining coal and making oil from it. *But in any case the relevant question is not whether coal/oil is cheaper than bio/oil. The question is: is there more profit to be made from growing biodiesel than growing food. Only if its subsidised. How much does a litre of rapeseed cost in the supermarket? Besides, there aint enough arable land.. Well, that was the point I was making. Once the price of oil reaches the point that a famer can make more money growing oil than food we will see the price of food rise to compete for arable land against oil. Robert |
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RobertL wrote:
On 30 May, 21:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: RobertL wrote: On 30 May, 13:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: RobertL wrote: On 29 May, 23:09, Ed Sirett wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009 07:26:03 +0100, David Hansen wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 18:37:59 +0100 someone who may be "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote this:- You only have to read the post that started this thread to see that some, at least, actively promote that view. I did read it. I didn't notice anything in that post which said that oil would run out suddenly. Quote: We have 4 years from now, until there will not be enough energy for travelling, heating and the most important for food for everybody of us. Unquote. Admittedly it does not explicitly state that oil will have run out. However 'not be enough' does rather imply run out, Not at all. The supply will not fall to zero. The the price will rise so that demand is reduced to matc hthe dimishing supply. that will be very painful. Eventually the oil price reach a point where it is more economic to grow oil producing crops instead of food. Er no..other factors kick in long before that! Like it being cheaper to synthesise oil from coal, or make it directly in some other way. Really? I thought biodiesel was cheaper grow and refine than making oil by mining coal and making oil from it. But in any case the relevant question is not whether coal/oil is cheaper than bio/oil. The question is: is there more profit to be made from growing biodiesel than growing food. Only if its subsidised. How much does a litre of rapeseed cost in the supermarket? Besides, there aint enough arable land.. Well, that was the point I was making. Once the price of oil reaches the point that a famer can make more money growing oil than food we will see the price of food rise to compete for arable land against oil. Robert Happened last year. Food riots. |
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What I have been completely unable to find is anything to support his claims. Neither has he, so no change there then... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Bomb making material is massively hard to refine, hence you build a fast breededr to make plutonium, BUT a fast breeder is a uniquely different animal, and easy to spot under international inspection. We should build some FBRs as well... The weapons/proliferation argument is a straw man anyway - we already have them. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... Actually, I have found some work being done by one university (not Cambridge) on the environmental impact of a number of estuary barrier schemes in the Irish Sea. Between them they would significantly increase the global capacity of tidal generation, but on nothing like the scale he claims. That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is. No. Again..."That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is". As I have said before repeating something Again..."That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is". I really would like to know exactly what you think you achieve by selective trimming of my posts, removing all context, then tacking on an inaccurate claim of your own. BTW, for the record, I do know the difference between a tidal barrier scheme and a tidal lagoon, as would be obvious from an untrimmed version of my earlier post. It is simply that the tidal barrier scheme was the *only* reference I could find to any significant scheme being considered for the Irish Sea. Of course, if you know different, you only have to post a link to prove it. Colin Bignell |
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nightjar cpb@ wrote:
"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message ... "nightjar .me.uk" cpb@insert my surname here wrote in message ... Actually, I have found some work being done by one university (not Cambridge) on the environmental impact of a number of estuary barrier schemes in the Irish Sea. Between them they would significantly increase the global capacity of tidal generation, but on nothing like the scale he claims. That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is. No. Again..."That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is". As I have said before repeating something Again..."That indicates you do not know what a tidal lagoon is". I really would like to know exactly what you think you achieve by selective trimming of my posts, removing all context, then tacking on an inaccurate claim of your own. He is the Duchess's baby. He only does it to annoy, because he knows it teases. It reassures him that as pathetic as he is, he can still make a difference to someone. My Advice: Kill file. Life's too short for this bib dribble. |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... In message , Doctor Drivel writes "RobertL" wrote in message ... Really? I thought biodiesel was cheaper grow and refine than making oil by mining coal and making oil from it. But in any case the relevant question is not whether coal/oil is cheaper than bio/oil. The question is: is there more profit to be made from growing biodiesel than growing food. A LIVERPOOL professor is sending a buzz around the world after he turned chip fat oil into biofuel - using a microwave. John Moores University professor Ahmed Al-Shamma is leading the world in pioneering new microwave technology which could help cut the world's CO² emissions. Now I know its going to be accurate and scientific ... Maxie, how do you know? And Prof Al-Shamma's microwave technology doesn't only stop at vegetable oil. The university has been given £580,000 to turn grass into LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas). The university is hoping to take polluted, infertile grass and weeds from brownfield sites and break down the sugar to create bio-ethanol. Stick it in a cow and collect the fart gas ... Maxie, how do you do that? |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... He is the Duchess's baby. You need tagging. |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message o.uk... nightjar cpb@ wrote: What I have been completely unable to find is anything to support his claims. Neither Says the tattooed Essex Chav. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... nightjar cpb@ wrote: .... I really would like to know exactly what you think you achieve by selective trimming of my posts, removing all context, then tacking on an inaccurate claim of your own. He is the Duchess's baby. He only does it to annoy, because he knows it teases. It reassures him that as pathetic as he is, he can still make a difference to someone. I find it silly, rather than annoying. However, this post has now moved too far down the group for me to be bothered to keep trying to find it again, so he can have it to himself. It is a pity really. I would have ben interested if there had been anything like the scheme he described under consideration. Colin Bignell |
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nightjar cpb@ wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... nightjar cpb@ wrote: ... I really would like to know exactly what you think you achieve by selective trimming of my posts, removing all context, then tacking on an inaccurate claim of your own. He is the Duchess's baby. He only does it to annoy, because he knows it teases. It reassures him that as pathetic as he is, he can still make a difference to someone. I find it silly, rather than annoying. However, this post has now moved too far down the group for me to be bothered to keep trying to find it again, so he can have it to himself. It is a pity really. I would have ben interested if there had been anything like the scheme he described under consideration. Oh. what was that? he's killfiled here so I don't get tempted to get sucked into a pointless dialogue. I've met people like that..they soak up half misunderstood ideas from all over and regurgitate it all mixed up. There's usually a source somewhere, but its been bent to suit the prejudices of the babbler, so far that for all practical purposes its useless. Colin Bignell |
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from "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk contains these words: I find it silly, rather than annoying. However, this post has now moved too far down the group for me to be bothered to keep trying to find it again, so he can have it to himself. It is a pity really. I would have ben interested if there had been anything like the scheme he described under consideration. I suspect a number of us would be interested in details of a real scheme but all indications are that this particular scheme exists only in Dribble's fantasy world where the normal rules of science and commerce do not apply. -- Roger Chapman |
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Roger wrote:
The message from "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk contains these words: I find it silly, rather than annoying. However, this post has now moved too far down the group for me to be bothered to keep trying to find it again, so he can have it to himself. It is a pity really. I would have ben interested if there had been anything like the scheme he described under consideration. I suspect a number of us would be interested in details of a real scheme but all indications are that this particular scheme exists only in Dribble's fantasy world where the normal rules of science and commerce do not apply. What kills nearly all alternative energy schemes is the energy density. You need BIG engineering to get megawatts, whereas fossil stuff and nuclear is far more effective a use of constructional materials and land area. And generates gigawatts. Watt for watt, there is a lot more concrete in a windmill than a nuke.. Which makes them greater emitters of carbon..;-) |
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