I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being
banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

In article
..com, jim scribeth thus
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being
banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

What a pity;( used to use a lot of that especially to kill the weeds
around bonfire nite)..
--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:
In article
..com, jim scribeth thus
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being
banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

What a pity;( used to use a lot of that especially to kill the weeds
around bonfire nite)..

Yes a shame; I also used to kill a lot of weeds around bonfire night ;-)
However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works out a
lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with sodium
chlorate is not needed or desirable any more.
--
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To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
by a filter and not reach my inbox.

In message , tony sayer
writes

What a pity;( used to use a lot of that especially to kill the weeds
around bonfire nite)..

That's very cruel of you Tony, I hope you added some sugar to sweeten
the mix for them.
--
Bill

On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:09:20 +0100, David in Normandy wrote:

However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works out a
lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with sodium
chlorate is not needed or desirable any more.

AIUI they're banning that too.



--
John Stumbles

Thesaurus: extinct reptile noted for its wide vocabulary.

In message , David in Normandy
writes
Yes a shame; I also used to kill a lot of weeds around bonfire night ;-)
However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works out a
lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with sodium
chlorate is not needed or desirable any more.

I have an area that I want basically dead and a watering with a
saturated solution of sodium Chlorate every 2-3 years does a marvellous
job, must invest in some before it becomes unavailable.

--
Bill

In article , Bill
scribeth thus
In message , tony sayer
writes

What a pity;( used to use a lot of that especially to kill the weeds
around bonfire nite)..

That's very cruel of you Tony, I hope you added some sugar to sweeten
the mix for them.

Yes can't remember the exact ratio now but there was one that really
blew them away...
--
Tony Sayer

John Stumbles wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:09:20 +0100, David in Normandy wrote:

However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works out a
lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with sodium
chlorate is not needed or desirable any more.

AIUI they're banning that too.


Serious? I'd be lost without glyphosate, my garden is over an acre!

--
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To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
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jim wrote:
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being
banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job.


NT

David in Normandy wrote:
John Stumbles wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:09:20 +0100, David in Normandy wrote:

However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works
out a lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with
sodium chlorate is not needed or desirable any more.

AIUI they're banning that too.


Serious? I'd be lost without glyphosate, my garden is over an acre!

Tsk! You should be using nematoads, or sheep, or butterflys, or something.
I shall inform Greenpeace immediately about your environmental vandalism.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman wrote:
David in Normandy wrote:
John Stumbles wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:09:20 +0100, David in Normandy wrote:

However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works
out a lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with
sodium chlorate is not needed or desirable any more.

AIUI they're banning that too.


Serious? I'd be lost without glyphosate, my garden is over an acre!

Tsk! You should be using nematoads, or sheep, or butterflys, or
something. I shall inform Greenpeace immediately about your
environmental vandalism.

I have one helluva job keeping the likkle nematoads in my garden; they keep
going into next door's and do not listen to me when I call them back.

On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

jim wrote:
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being
banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job.

I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly
causing hypertension.

--
Frank Erskine

Frank Erskine wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

jim wrote:
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is
being banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job.

I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly
causing hypertension.

Crumbs, if you think that salt is bad, you should be seriously worried about
DHMO.

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html#CONCERN

The Medway Handyman wrote:
David in Normandy wrote:
John Stumbles wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:09:20 +0100, David in Normandy wrote:

However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works
out a lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with
sodium chlorate is not needed or desirable any more.
AIUI they're banning that too.

Serious? I'd be lost without glyphosate, my garden is over an acre!

Tsk! You should be using nematoads, or sheep, or butterflys, or
something.
I shall inform Greenpeace immediately about your environmental vandalism.


nematodes, butterflies.
You can always tell the generation where boys studied physics rather
than biology.

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:07:56 +0000
PJ wrote:

The Medway Handyman wrote:
David in Normandy wrote:
John Stumbles wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:09:20 +0100, David in Normandy wrote:

However, from a gardening point of view generic glyphosate works
out a lot cheaper and is more effective, so poisoning the soil with
sodium chlorate is not needed or desirable any more.
AIUI they're banning that too.

Serious? I'd be lost without glyphosate, my garden is over an acre!

Tsk! You should be using nematoads, or sheep, or butterflys, or
something.
I shall inform Greenpeace immediately about your environmental vandalism.


nematodes, butterflies.
You can always tell the generation where boys studied physics rather
than biology.

or Inglisch.
R.

Frank Erskine wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

jim wrote:
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is
being banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job.

I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly
causing hypertension.

A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In article , The Medway
Handyman scribeth thus
Frank Erskine wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

jim wrote:
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is
being banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job.

I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly
causing hypertension.

A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.



Evidence?..
--
Tony Sayer

wrote:
jim wrote:
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is being
banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job.

How do you make fireworks with that? ;-)

Tim

In article , The Medway
Handyman scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Medway
Handyman scribeth thus
Frank Erskine wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

jim wrote:
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is
being banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job.

I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly
causing hypertension.

A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.



Evidence?..

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panic-Nation...4542718/ref=sr
_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237748958&sr=1-1



Most compelling reading I'll bring it to the attention of my consultant
when I see him again;!..

Got anything good for Arthritis;?..

--
Tony Sayer

On Mar 21, 12:06*pm, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Medway
Handyman scribeth thus



Frank Erskine wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

jim wrote:
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is
being banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job.

I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it allegedly
causing hypertension.

A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. *FUD again.

Evidence?..

There's plenty out there, but the most basic fact is that the body
excretes excess salt via the kidneys.

Not evidence but http://www.reason.com/news/show/34805.html is a good
start.

MBQ

Huge wrote:
On 2009-03-22, The Medway Handyman
wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
In article , The
Medway Handyman scribeth thus
Frank Erskine wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

jim wrote:
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is
being banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job.

I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it
allegedly causing hypertension.

A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.



Evidence?..

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panic-Nation...7748958&sr=1-1

No, Dave, that isn't evidence.

You would have to read it of course.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In article , The Medway
Handyman scribeth thus
Huge wrote:
On 2009-03-22, The Medway Handyman
wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
In article , The
Medway Handyman scribeth thus
Frank Erskine wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

jim wrote:
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate is
being banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job.

I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it
allegedly causing hypertension.

A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.



Evidence?..

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panic-Nation...1844542718/ref
=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237748958&sr=1-1

No, Dave, that isn't evidence.

You would have to read it of course.




I think I'd take more notice of a proper clinical trail tho..

Not that I'm 'agin any alternatives though. For instance there has been
a decent bit of research into alternative, shall we say "natural
therapies" for arthritis, which was commissioned by the arthritis
research campaign its here if its any use to anyone.

I've for instance noticed that rose hips help my condition a bit..

http://www.arc.org.uk/arthinfo/documents/6300.pdf


FWIW if there was anything similar for hypertension then I'd be
interested but over time I've found that smaller amounts of different
drugs do have better benefits ..
--
Tony Sayer

Huge wrote:
On 2009-03-23, The Medway Handyman
wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2009-03-22, The Medway Handyman
wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
In article , The
Medway Handyman scribeth thus
Frank Erskine wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

jim wrote:
I have often wished I had known in advance of impending EU
bans.

Notice in local garden centre states sale of Sodium Chlorate
is being banned by EU from Sept 2009.

Hope that is useful info.

Fortunately sodium choride does a similar job.

I'm surprised that that isn't banned too, on account of it
allegedly causing hypertension.

A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.



Evidence?..

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panic-Nation...7748958&sr=1-1

No, Dave, that isn't evidence.

You would have to read it of course.

If you think brightly coloured comics with scarey headlines are
evidence, you're even dumber than I think you you are.

Have you read it? Clearly not since you are incapable of even understanding
the title. Whoosh!


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

tony sayer wrote:
A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.



Evidence?..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia

When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge
for not taking their salt tablets.

Andy

--
(back from getting PC fixed)

In article , Andy Champ
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.



Evidence?..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia

When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge
for not taking their salt tablets.

Andy


Yes different circumstances dontcha think?..
--
Tony Sayer

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
. uk...
tony sayer wrote:
A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.



Evidence?..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia

When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge
for not taking their salt tablets.


I doubt the salt tablets were sodium chlorate, which is usually used as a
weed killer.
mark

tony sayer wrote:
In article , Andy Champ
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.


Evidence?..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia

When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge
for not taking their salt tablets.

Andy


Yes different circumstances dontcha think?..

Indeed. However, both the link and the Navy in the tropics demonstrate
that too low sodium in your diet can be lethal. I'll admit it's rare in
this climate, with the usual UK diet of high salt manufactured food;
but anyone digging a pond (or anything else suitably energetic) in the
middle of summer should be aware of it.

The govt. propagandists don't seem to like to mention one other point:

http://www.blood-pressure-hypertensi...essure-5.shtml

is but one of many articles pointing out that there's a racial factor in
salt intolerance.

Andy

In message , Andy Champ
writes
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Andy Champ
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.


Evidence?..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia

When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a
charge for not taking their salt tablets.

Andy

Yes different circumstances dontcha think?..

Indeed. However, both the link and the Navy in the tropics demonstrate
that too low sodium in your diet can be lethal. I'll admit it's rare
in this climate, with the usual UK diet of high salt manufactured food;
but anyone digging a pond (or anything else suitably energetic) in the
middle of summer should be aware of it.

Pah - enough weak beer does the job

Done enough hard physical work in equatorial regions and never had a
problem


The govt. propagandists don't seem to like to mention one other point:

http://www.blood-pressure-hypertensi...blood-pressure
-5.shtml

is but one of many articles pointing out that there's a racial factor
in salt intolerance.

Andy

--
geoff

Andy Champ wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.



Evidence?..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia

When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge
for not taking their salt tablets.

Andy

Two different compunds

Sodium Chlor_ate_ is commonly used as a weedkiller but can be used to
make an explosive mix.

Sodium chlor_ide_ is otherwise known as common salt. This is the 'salt'
you put on food and is what would be in the salt tablets. The bdy needs
sodium chloride to function but it is lost in sweat so in areas where
peple sweat heavily, it is given as a supplement. Too much can
contribute to raised blood pressure.

Malcolm

Andy Champ wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Andy Champ
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.


Evidence?..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia

When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a
charge for not taking their salt tablets.

Andy


Yes different circumstances dontcha think?..

Indeed. However, both the link and the Navy in the tropics demonstrate
that too low sodium in your diet can be lethal. I'll admit it's rare in
this climate,

Not as rare as you think. I live with a low salt diet. In the hot months
I regularly find that I have denied my body of salt and have to drink a
high salt drink, such as Bovril.

Dave

In article , Andy Champ
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Andy Champ
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
A low salt diet is far worse than a high salt diet. FUD again.


Evidence?..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia

When my Dad was in the navy in the tropics they'd put people on a charge
for not taking their salt tablets.

Andy


Yes different circumstances dontcha think?..

Indeed. However, both the link and the Navy in the tropics demonstrate
that too low sodium in your diet can be lethal. I'll admit it's rare in
this climate, with the usual UK diet of high salt manufactured food;
but anyone digging a pond (or anything else suitably energetic) in the
middle of summer should be aware of it.

The govt. propagandists don't seem to like to mention one other point:

http://www.blood-pressure-hypertensi...essure-5.shtml

is but one of many articles pointing out that there's a racial factor in
salt intolerance.

Andy


Thats well know on most sites on the net especially American ones.

But different race's have different problems because of who they are,
their genetic make up, and where they live and that can be diet and
such..


No danger of a lack of salt in the UK thats for sure;!..
--
Tony Sayer

Malcolm wrote:

Two different compunds

Sodium Chlor_ate_ is commonly used as a weedkiller but can be used to
make an explosive mix.

Sodium chlor_ide_ is otherwise known as common salt. This is the 'salt'
you put on food and is what would be in the salt tablets. The bdy needs
sodium chloride to function but it is lost in sweat so in areas where
peple sweat heavily, it is given as a supplement. Too much can
contribute to raised blood pressure.


It's called thread drift

BTW I think you'll find NaCl is one of the breakdown products of the
typical NaClO3 + (whatever the sugar is) reaction.

Andy