Is there a specific saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin
enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.

Fein Multimaster

"AlanD" wrote in message
.. .

Is there a specific saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin
enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.

Fein Multimaster


Expensive though. A cheaper alternative is the Bosch PMF-180E. Does the
same job.

On Feb 24, 10:47*am, "Slider" wrote:
"AlanD" wrote in message

.. .



Is there a specific saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin
enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.

Fein Multimaster

Expensive though. *A cheaper alternative is the Bosch PMF-180E. * Does the
same job.


I guess you considered this: saw through the floorboard next to
another joist and do not attempt to remove the bit that's under the
stud wall. Then nail a block onto the side of the joist to take the
sawn end of the floorboard.

Robert

Hi,

I need to take up some floorboards to get at a pipe that runs underneath.

However, I've found that the far end of the board runs under a partition
wall. Under the partition wall is a joist, and the board is nailed to
the joist. The bottom of the partition wall may also be nailed into the
board: I can't tell at the moment.

Any ideas how I can get the end of the board out? Is there a specific
saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.

Thanks

Miles

Miles wrote:
Hi,

I need to take up some floorboards to get at a pipe that runs underneath.

However, I've found that the far end of the board runs under a partition
wall. Under the partition wall is a joist, and the board is nailed to
the joist. The bottom of the partition wall may also be nailed into the
board: I can't tell at the moment.

Any ideas how I can get the end of the board out? Is there a specific
saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.

Thanks

Miles

It might be easier to cut the board short of the joist and fix a batten
to it to support the board when you put it back. Depends how far under
the wall the joist is.

"Slider" wrote:
"AlanD" wrote in message
. ..

Is there a specific saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin
enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.

Fein Multimaster


Expensive though. A cheaper alternative is the Bosch PMF-180E. Does the
same job.


An even cheaper alternative is the Worx 250W Sonic Crafter from Argos,
or Screwfix, at £69.99. It comes with a 3 year warranty that covers DIY
use but excludes professional use.

On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:05:14 +0000, Bruce wrote:

"Slider" wrote:
"AlanD" wrote in message
...

Is there a specific saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin
enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.

Fein Multimaster


Expensive though. A cheaper alternative is the Bosch PMF-180E. Does the
same job.


An even cheaper alternative is the Worx 250W Sonic Crafter from Argos,
or Screwfix, at £69.99.

That's not cheaper - the Bosch sells in B&Q for about 60 quid - less
10% on a Wednesday of you're an old fogey...

--
Frank Erskine

Frank Erskine wrote:

On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:05:14 +0000, Bruce wrote:

"Slider" wrote:
"AlanD" wrote in message
m...

Is there a specific saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin
enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.

Fein Multimaster


Expensive though. A cheaper alternative is the Bosch PMF-180E. Does the
same job.


An even cheaper alternative is the Worx 250W Sonic Crafter from Argos,
or Screwfix, at £69.99.

That's not cheaper - the Bosch sells in B&Q for about 60 quid - less
10% on a Wednesday of you're an old fogey...


Not available in my local B&Q, not listed on their web site. Screwfix,
part of the same company as B&Q, offers the Worx.

Doesn't the Work have wider compatibility, for instance with Fein
accessories?

On 24 Feb, 12:46, Miles wrote:
Hi,

I need to take up some floorboards to get at a pipe that runs underneath.

However, I've found that the far end of the board runs under a partition
wall. *Under the partition wall is a joist, and the board is nailed to
the joist. *The bottom of the partition wall may also be nailed into the
board: I can't tell at the moment.

Any ideas how I can get the end of the board out? *Is there a specific
saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.

Thanks

Miles

Dear Miles
I do this sort of lifting for a living.
The way I do it is as follows:

Mark the two sides of the joists under the stud wall and in the next
door room using a pencil and a thin rule to poke between the boards to
get the exact location of the joists
If necessary take off a bit of or all the skirting so you can get
access to both sides of the wall
Behind the skirtings will be a bit of plaster which you can take off
up to half the height of the skirting on both sides
Using a Fein or any other multimaster cut the board down as close to
the centre of the joist on one side it avoiding any nails which you
will see from the holes as the stud wall allows
It may be necessary to cut at an angle but that all depends where the
nails are

Leave a bearing on the joist
Only in desperation cut flush and put on a scotch or batten - that is
the route of the DIY or lazy builder!

raise the rest of the board in the normal way

Go to the other side and cut a short lengh of board off to the next
nearest joist to the stud wall in the centre of the joist as
described above


If the nail heads have pulled out with the board fine - take the board
back down and take out the nails with pinchers but this is most
unlikely
in 999 /1000 it will have stuck in and you now have to use a sabre saw
with metal blade to cut them out
(absent that a pad saw with hack saw blade and lots of hand action
with a glove on!)


you now are left with a stub of wood one joist wide with the stud wall
on top
If you are lucky there wont be a nail there so just get a mallet and
tap the board out one side or the other
If there is a nail (sod's law) it will be a big 4" one and you have
to use your 300mm long sabre saw blade to cut it out
A hacksaw would be a real pain but with patience possilbe

Knock out the floor board sideways with a mallet or drift clear of the
stud wall and you are there!

once you have dealt with your pipes reverse the actions
Chris

wrote:
On 24 Feb, 12:46, Miles wrote:
Hi,

I need to take up some floorboards to get at a pipe that runs
underneath.

However, I've found that the far end of the board runs under a
partition wall. Under the partition wall is a joist, and the board
is nailed to the joist. The bottom of the partition wall may also be
nailed into the board: I can't tell at the moment.

Any ideas how I can get the end of the board out? Is there a specific
saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.

Thanks

Miles

Dear Miles
I do this sort of lifting for a living.
The way I do it is as follows:

Mark the two sides of the joists under the stud wall and in the next
door room using a pencil and a thin rule to poke between the boards to
get the exact location of the joists
If necessary take off a bit of or all the skirting so you can get
access to both sides of the wall
Behind the skirtings will be a bit of plaster which you can take off
up to half the height of the skirting on both sides
Using a Fein or any other multimaster cut the board down as close to
the centre of the joist on one side it avoiding any nails which you
will see from the holes as the stud wall allows
It may be necessary to cut at an angle but that all depends where the
nails are

Leave a bearing on the joist
Only in desperation cut flush and put on a scotch or batten - that is
the route of the DIY or lazy builder!

Whats wrong with doing that? It would take 80% less time than the over
elaborate method you describe.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

wrote in message
...
On 24 Feb, 12:46, Miles wrote:
Hi,

I need to take up some floorboards to get at a pipe that runs underneath.

However, I've found that the far end of the board runs under a partition
wall. Under the partition wall is a joist, and the board is nailed to
the joist. The bottom of the partition wall may also be nailed into the
board: I can't tell at the moment.

Any ideas how I can get the end of the board out? Is there a specific
saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.

Thanks

Miles

Dear Miles
I do this sort of lifting for a living.
The way I do it is as follows:

Mark the two sides of the joists under the stud wall and in the next
door room using a pencil and a thin rule to poke between the boards to
get the exact location of the joists
If necessary take off a bit of or all the skirting so you can get
access to both sides of the wall
Behind the skirtings will be a bit of plaster which you can take off
up to half the height of the skirting on both sides
Using a Fein or any other multimaster cut the board down as close to
the centre of the joist on one side it avoiding any nails which you
will see from the holes as the stud wall allows
It may be necessary to cut at an angle but that all depends where the
nails are

Leave a bearing on the joist
Only in desperation cut flush and put on a scotch or batten - that is
the route of the DIY or lazy builder!

raise the rest of the board in the normal way

Go to the other side and cut a short lengh of board off to the next
nearest joist to the stud wall in the centre of the joist as
described above


If the nail heads have pulled out with the board fine - take the board
back down and take out the nails with pinchers but this is most
unlikely
in 999 /1000 it will have stuck in and you now have to use a sabre saw
with metal blade to cut them out
(absent that a pad saw with hack saw blade and lots of hand action
with a glove on!)


you now are left with a stub of wood one joist wide with the stud wall
on top
If you are lucky there wont be a nail there so just get a mallet and
tap the board out one side or the other
If there is a nail (sod's law) it will be a big 4" one and you have
to use your 300mm long sabre saw blade to cut it out
A hacksaw would be a real pain but with patience possilbe

Knock out the floor board sideways with a mallet or drift clear of the
stud wall and you are there!

once you have dealt with your pipes reverse the actions
Chris

(BTW There's something wrong with your message or my OE which is preventing
the above auto-indenting)

One small tip - if you want to remove a stubborn nail rather than cutting it
off, I have found the "Priory Nail Puller" to be excellent. One of the top 3
tools I ever bought.

Regards,
Simon.

The Medway Handyman wrote:
....
Leave a bearing on the joist
Only in desperation cut flush and put on a scotch or batten - that is
the route of the DIY or lazy builder!

Whats wrong with doing that? It would take 80% less time than the over
elaborate method you describe.

I'd use a batten. Amply strong enough, so what's the issue?

"Simon Stroud" wrote in message
...

(BTW There's something wrong with your message or my OE which is
preventing the above auto-indenting)

It's OE and the crap way it fails to cope with messages with
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable, which includes those from
google groups.

Quotefix might help, otherwise you're stuck with doing it manually.

cheers,
clive

On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:43:16 -0000, "Simon Stroud"
wrote:

an unsnipped load of stuff to which he was not directly replying

(BTW There's something wrong with your message or my OE which is preventing
the above auto-indenting)

And the problem with your delete key is...?


--
Geo

On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:46:56 +0000, Miles wrote:

Hi,

I need to take up some floorboards to get at a pipe that runs underneath.

However, I've found that the far end of the board runs under a partition
wall. Under the partition wall is a joist, and the board is nailed to
the joist. The bottom of the partition wall may also be nailed into the
board: I can't tell at the moment.

Any ideas how I can get the end of the board out? Is there a specific
saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.

Thanks

Miles

The obvious wayis to prise up the board and cut through the portion
one joist away from the partition, making sure that the cut is
directly over the centre of this joist (so you won't need any battens
when replacing). Any old hand saw will accomplish that as long as you
have prised up the board far enough.
Maris

RobertL wrote:
On Feb 24, 10:47 am, "Slider" wrote:
"AlanD" wrote in message

.. .



Is there a specific saw I can use to cut through the nail, and that's thin
enough to get
into the (non-existent) gap between board and joist.
Fein Multimaster
Expensive though. A cheaper alternative is the Bosch PMF-180E. Does the
same job.


I guess you considered this: saw through the floorboard next to
another joist and do not attempt to remove the bit that's under the
stud wall. Then nail a block onto the side of the joist to take the
sawn end of the floorboard.

Robert



Thanks everyone who replied. I invested in the bosch which has turned
out to be quite a useful tool. I hadn't actually thought of adding the
batten, though it turns out that the width of the partition wall means
the batten would have to be impractically wide - unfortunately, there's
only access from one side as the other side has a shower fitted.

Miles