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Lord0 October 27th 07 12:49 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

Cheers

Lawrence


Brian G October 27th 07 01:11 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Lord0 wrote:
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

Cheers

Lawrence


Lawrence,

Simply a hand saw, plane, craft knife and glasspaper.

The method that I would use is simply to mark the bottom of the door with a
pencil on both sides and then to avoid any spalling - score along both marks
with a sharp craft knife.

Once that is done, use the saw to cut just inside the line and holding the
saw at a fairly 'flat' angle to reduce spalling - remember to take care when
approaching the end of the cut to hold the waste and saw slowly. This is
best done using a new 'throw away' crosscut saw from one of the 'sheds' for
the reason stated under Warning below.

Once the waste is removed, clean up to and just 'take out' the scored line
with the plane and use fine glasspaper rubbed along the cut edges to take
the arris off - voila job done and rehang the door.

Warning:If they are flush doors, you have a good chance of hitting a couple
of staples holding the frame together on both edges of the door - if you
'hit' these then they will certainly blunt the saw/plane and will require
removal before you can proceed further. If you do hit these, there are
several different methods to remove them using a thin bladed, flat
screwdriver and a pair of pincers or simply cut through them with a hacksaw
blade.

Brian G



Roger Mills October 27th 07 02:47 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Brian G wrote:

Lord0 wrote:
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

Cheers

Lawrence


Lawrence,

Simply a hand saw, plane, craft knife and glasspaper.

The method that I would use is simply to mark the bottom of the door
with a pencil on both sides and then to avoid any spalling - score
along both marks with a sharp craft knife.

Once that is done, use the saw to cut just inside the line and
holding the saw at a fairly 'flat' angle to reduce spalling -
remember to take care when approaching the end of the cut to hold the
waste and saw slowly. This is best done using a new 'throw away'
crosscut saw from one of the 'sheds' for the reason stated under
Warning below.
Once the waste is removed, clean up to and just 'take out' the scored
line with the plane and use fine glasspaper rubbed along the cut
edges to take the arris off - voila job done and rehang the door.

Warning:If they are flush doors, you have a good chance of hitting a
couple of staples holding the frame together on both edges of the
door - if you 'hit' these then they will certainly blunt the
saw/plane and will require removal before you can proceed further. If you
do hit these, there are several different methods to remove
them using a thin bladed, flat screwdriver and a pair of pincers or
simply cut through them with a hacksaw blade.

Brian G


Another thing to be aware of is that internal doors are usually hollow.
Taking 10mm off shouldn't be a problem unless the door has *already* been
shortened on an earlier occasion, but taking much more off is likely to
result in losing the bottom piece of framing altogether. If that happens,
you need to get another piece of wood of the right thickness, and glue it
between the two hardboard (or whatever) skins - clamping it together until
the glue has set.
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Roger
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Stuart Noble October 27th 07 02:50 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Lord0 wrote:
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

Cheers

Lawrence


Circular saw/batten method is quick and accurate. Google for details

Brian G October 27th 07 04:41 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Stuart Noble wrote:
Lord0 wrote:
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

Cheers

Lawrence


Circular saw/batten method is quick and accurate. Google for details


Stuart

Almost guaranteed at the very least to cause some damage to the doors and at
worse to remove the fingers of the admitted "complete novice".


Brian G



Stuart Noble October 27th 07 06:10 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Brian G wrote:
Stuart Noble wrote:
Lord0 wrote:
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

Cheers

Lawrence

Circular saw/batten method is quick and accurate. Google for details


Stuart

Almost guaranteed at the very least to cause some damage to the doors and at
worse to remove the fingers of the admitted "complete novice".



Disagree on both counts. What damage could a straight cut with a sharp
blade do?

Steve Firth October 27th 07 06:33 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Lord0 wrote:

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.


If you don't want to remove then rehang the door, one of these can do a
good job:

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...33430&ts=02691

The saw is easy to use and gives a fine smooth finish, no need to plane
afterwards. It's very easy to use and provided you draw a pencil line
along the door to cut along it's easy to cut a straight line.

Stuart Noble October 27th 07 06:49 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Steve Firth wrote:
Lord0 wrote:

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.


If you don't want to remove then rehang the door, one of these can do a
good job:

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...33430&ts=02691

The saw is easy to use and gives a fine smooth finish, no need to plane
afterwards. It's very easy to use and provided you draw a pencil line
along the door to cut along it's easy to cut a straight line.


Straight being a relative term...

George October 27th 07 06:59 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 

"Steve Firth" wrote in message

If you don't want to remove then rehang the door, one of these can do a
good job:

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...33430&ts=02691

The saw is easy to use and gives a fine smooth finish, no need to plane
afterwards. It's very easy to use and provided you draw a pencil line
along the door to cut along it's easy to cut a straight line.



Hmmm! I doubt it...more of an f**kin,£$"*&% thing scenario. :-)




Steve Firth October 27th 07 07:52 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Stuart Noble wrote:

The saw is easy to use and gives a fine smooth finish, no need to plane
afterwards. It's very easy to use and provided you draw a pencil line
along the door to cut along it's easy to cut a straight line.


Straight being a relative term...


I've had no problems cutting doors absolutely straight with one of these
saws. Have you ever tried to use one? The blade is so wide that it
really can't wander off the cut. Of course starting the cut and ensuring
that it is going to go where you want it is a tad tricky but anyone who
can use a handsaw should be able to use one of these.

George October 27th 07 08:21 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
Stuart Noble wrote:

The saw is easy to use and gives a fine smooth finish, no need to

plane
afterwards. It's very easy to use and provided you draw a pencil line
along the door to cut along it's easy to cut a straight line.


Straight being a relative term...


I've had no problems cutting doors absolutely straight with one of these
saws. Have you ever tried to use one? The blade is so wide that it
really can't wander off the cut. Of course starting the cut and ensuring
that it is going to go where you want it is a tad tricky but anyone who
can use a handsaw should be able to use one of these.


1cm is not easy to cut off with the door off its hinges, let alone on them.



Steve Firth October 27th 07 08:44 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
George wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
Stuart Noble wrote:

The saw is easy to use and gives a fine smooth finish, no need to

plane
afterwards. It's very easy to use and provided you draw a pencil line
along the door to cut along it's easy to cut a straight line.

Straight being a relative term...


I've had no problems cutting doors absolutely straight with one of these
saws. Have you ever tried to use one? The blade is so wide that it
really can't wander off the cut. Of course starting the cut and ensuring
that it is going to go where you want it is a tad tricky but anyone who
can use a handsaw should be able to use one of these.


1cm is not easy to cut off with the door off its hinges, let alone on them.


It's a piece of cake with a pull saw, and I've removed as little as 4mm
using one.

Again, have you actually tried to do it yourself or are you one of those
armchair experts?

terry October 27th 07 09:04 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
On Oct 27, 4:21 pm, "George" wrote:
"Steve Firth" wrote in message

...

Stuart Noble wrote:


The saw is easy to use and gives a fine smooth finish, no need to

plane
afterwards. It's very easy to use and provided you draw a pencil line
along the door to cut along it's easy to cut a straight line.


Straight being a relative term...


I've had no problems cutting doors absolutely straight with one of these
saws. Have you ever tried to use one? The blade is so wide that it
really can't wander off the cut. Of course starting the cut and ensuring
that it is going to go where you want it is a tad tricky but anyone who
can use a handsaw should be able to use one of these.


1cm is not easy to cut off with the door off its hinges, let alone on them.


I think I'd take door off, lay it on table or two saw horses.
Put a fine tooth blade in the old circular saw. Measure carefully
using the distance the saw blade is offset
Then clamp a batten as a guide across the door use that to guide edge
of saw. One cm. is narrow strip but anyone handy should be able to do
it neatly. And it is the bottom of the door anyway! Not at eye level.
If that is not within capability then suggest get a reasonably
competent 'carpenter type' person to do it.
Many doors are hollow but there should be several centimetres of would
on the bottom edge


Archie October 27th 07 09:38 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 

It's a piece of cake with a pull saw, and I've removed as little as 4mm
using one.

Again, have you actually tried to do it yourself or are you one of those
armchair experts?


I haven't used one of these on a door but I did to trim the bottom off door
facings so that tile effect laminate(spit) would fit underneath and can't
praise it highly enough. You have to use one to appreciate how good at tool
it is.

Archie



The Medway Handyman October 27th 07 11:43 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Steve Firth wrote:
George wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
Stuart Noble wrote:

The saw is easy to use and gives a fine smooth finish, no need to
plane afterwards. It's very easy to use and provided you draw a
pencil line along the door to cut along it's easy to cut a
straight line.

Straight being a relative term...

I've had no problems cutting doors absolutely straight with one of
these saws. Have you ever tried to use one? The blade is so wide
that it really can't wander off the cut. Of course starting the cut
and ensuring that it is going to go where you want it is a tad
tricky but anyone who can use a handsaw should be able to use one
of these.


1cm is not easy to cut off with the door off its hinges, let alone
on them.


It's a piece of cake with a pull saw, and I've removed as little as
4mm using one.

Again, have you actually tried to do it yourself or are you one of
those armchair experts?


I've used one to take a few mm off a door that was sticking on the leading
edge over newly laid laminate. I agree, they are excellent to use.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257



Ben Blaukopf October 28th 07 01:15 AM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Lord0 wrote:
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

sawboard (google it), circular saw. It's a doddle. Use a decent blade.

Ben

Stuart Noble October 28th 07 12:17 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Ben Blaukopf wrote:
Lord0 wrote:
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

sawboard (google it), circular saw. It's a doddle. Use a decent blade.

Ben


And if you're a millimetre out, you can take a bit more off in a few
seconds, which would not be possible with a handsaw.
I'd sooner take the door off than be on my hands and knees with a handsaw

Ben Blaukopf October 29th 07 12:18 AM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Stuart Noble wrote:
Ben Blaukopf wrote:
Lord0 wrote:
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

sawboard (google it), circular saw. It's a doddle. Use a decent blade.

Ben


And if you're a millimetre out, you can take a bit more off in a few
seconds, which would not be possible with a handsaw.
I'd sooner take the door off than be on my hands and knees with a handsaw


Yup. I was a bit worried about rehanging it the first time I did it -
but it went back exactly the same way it came off. Quite surprised how
small the screws holding the hinges on were!

Ben

Brian G October 29th 07 01:31 AM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Stuart Noble wrote:
Brian G wrote:
Stuart Noble wrote:
Lord0 wrote:
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two
internal doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

Cheers

Lawrence

Circular saw/batten method is quick and accurate. Google for details


Stuart

Almost guaranteed at the very least to cause some damage to the
doors and at worse to remove the fingers of the admitted "complete
novice".



Disagree on both counts. What damage could a straight cut with a sharp
blade do?


Stuart,

None if you are skilled at using such machinery - like myself, a time served
'chippie' of over 40 years who's handled virtually every type of portable
power tool for cutting wood and fitted more doors and frames than I can
remember - or the *well versed* D-I-Y'er.

But if you are a novice and unsure of what to do - and the OP is that, then
it's a far better way to cut a door for the first time using hand tools -
there's less chance of taking too much off, less chance of the 'electric'
saw tilting or jamming through incorrect use - and more importantly more
chance of keeping all the fingers on his hands - or the saw 'jumping' and
taking a lump out of his thigh....

Personally, I wouldn't use any power tools to fit a simple internal door,
whether panelled or flush, hardwood or softwood - especially in my own
house - I find it quicker, easier and more accurate to use sharp handtools
and a bit of patience in taking off leading edges to get that old fashione
'penny' joint all around the door - even on a 'bent' door frame. Some thing
you cannot do with an electric saw or planer - mind you, a battery powered
drill comes in useful for drilling out the lock/latch holes on the very odd
occassions when the old hands are too sore to turn the damned bit and brace
:-)


Brian G





Stuart Noble October 29th 07 12:00 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
Brian G wrote:
Stuart Noble wrote:
Brian G wrote:
Stuart Noble wrote:
Lord0 wrote:
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two
internal doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

Cheers

Lawrence

Circular saw/batten method is quick and accurate. Google for details
Stuart

Almost guaranteed at the very least to cause some damage to the
doors and at worse to remove the fingers of the admitted "complete
novice".


Disagree on both counts. What damage could a straight cut with a sharp
blade do?


Stuart,

None if you are skilled at using such machinery - like myself, a time served
'chippie' of over 40 years who's handled virtually every type of portable
power tool for cutting wood and fitted more doors and frames than I can
remember - or the *well versed* D-I-Y'er.

But if you are a novice and unsure of what to do - and the OP is that, then
it's a far better way to cut a door for the first time using hand tools -
there's less chance of taking too much off, less chance of the 'electric'
saw tilting or jamming through incorrect use - and more importantly more
chance of keeping all the fingers on his hands - or the saw 'jumping' and
taking a lump out of his thigh....

Personally, I wouldn't use any power tools to fit a simple internal door,
whether panelled or flush, hardwood or softwood - especially in my own
house - I find it quicker, easier and more accurate to use sharp handtools
and a bit of patience in taking off leading edges to get that old fashione
'penny' joint all around the door - even on a 'bent' door frame. Some thing
you cannot do with an electric saw or planer - mind you, a battery powered
drill comes in useful for drilling out the lock/latch holes on the very odd
occassions when the old hands are too sore to turn the damned bit and brace
:-)


Brian G





I never did master hand tools. Watching a guy fitting rebated French
doors convinced me I just didn't have what it took.

sm_jamieson October 29th 07 12:48 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 

Ben Blaukopf wrote:
Stuart Noble wrote:
Ben Blaukopf wrote:
Lord0 wrote:
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

sawboard (google it), circular saw. It's a doddle. Use a decent blade.

Ben


And if you're a millimetre out, you can take a bit more off in a few
seconds, which would not be possible with a handsaw.
I'd sooner take the door off than be on my hands and knees with a handsaw


Yup. I was a bit worried about rehanging it the first time I did it -
but it went back exactly the same way it came off. Quite surprised how
small the screws holding the hinges on were!


That's one reason for rebating the hinges - the weight is taken at the
bottom of the rebate rather than by the screws, which simply hold the
door upright. The rebate also stops the door dropping over time. A
well-fitted old door often has tiny screws. I don't think they could
make the long thin screws you can get now - they all had to be
tapered, so a long thin screw was difficult to make.
Simon.


Stuart Noble October 29th 07 01:33 PM

Best way to shorten internal door?
 
sm_jamieson wrote:
Ben Blaukopf wrote:
Stuart Noble wrote:
Ben Blaukopf wrote:
Lord0 wrote:
Hi guys,

I got new carpets fitted. As a result I need to shorten two internal
doors by *about* 1cm.

What is the best way to do this? I have a DIY book (don't we all?)
that recommends using a manual plane.

I am a complete novice at carpentry - should I be trying this? What
tools should I be using? Etc etc

sawboard (google it), circular saw. It's a doddle. Use a decent blade.

Ben
And if you're a millimetre out, you can take a bit more off in a few
seconds, which would not be possible with a handsaw.
I'd sooner take the door off than be on my hands and knees with a handsaw

Yup. I was a bit worried about rehanging it the first time I did it -
but it went back exactly the same way it came off. Quite surprised how
small the screws holding the hinges on were!


That's one reason for rebating the hinges - the weight is taken at the
bottom of the rebate rather than by the screws, which simply hold the
door upright. The rebate also stops the door dropping over time. A
well-fitted old door often has tiny screws. I don't think they could
make the long thin screws you can get now - they all had to be
tapered, so a long thin screw was difficult to make.
Simon.


Only an inch or so of wood there anyway I would have thought


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